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Portfolio Committee on Home Affairs, 6 October 2026

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“What are the key recurring deficiencies that HS believes require parliamentary particular attention and why have these weaknesses persisted?”
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So I think we're good to start. Thank

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you chair.

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>> Okay.

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Thank you very much. Uh so suggesting

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that we must start Mr. Salman.

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>> We can start chair. Thank you.

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>> Okay.

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Can I then establish if there's

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members to consider the agenda? Can you

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beam the agenda properly? Mr. Adams,

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I see the hand of honorable Machi.

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>> Would like to to move for the adoption

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of the agenda as it is. Thank you. Thank

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you machi and second

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>> there's a hand from Miss Bulman chair

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thank you honorable Bman

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>> thank you chair I second the proposal

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for the agenda thank you

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>> okay thank you very much members the

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agenda has been seconded We

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welcome all members and welcome all uh

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the department of uh home affairs,

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the ministry, the DG and all

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your DDGs and officials, the CEO of

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government printing works and all the

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executive members of uh parliament and

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the staff.

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Um we

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are going to focus on the annual report

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of uh both the institution

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the department of uh

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home affairs and government printing

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works. We note that there's a

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a judgment in relation to asylum

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matters that was uh

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table yesterday

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and also note or observe the

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correspondence that is circulating from

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the department to inform the officials

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will request that

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we will schedule the department to brief

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the committee in details. It will appear

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that they've already gone through the

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details of the judgment.

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Um we'll consider to uh be favored with

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a detailed brief and how we're going to

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navigate to that portfolio committee. We

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are able to deal with this matter

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collectively.

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Um noting the two correspondences that

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uh we are making reference to.

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I must raise the director general that

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I've received concerns from members of

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the committee

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that uh your department

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it will appear and I think you'll be

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reasoning it whether is deliberate uh to

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send the presentation

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presentations

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late for the considerations of members.

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Um I think if the notice was issued on

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Sunday probably

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we'll uh appreciate that uh the uh

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delayed responses on your part. We met

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with the department on

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uh last week or so and I think the

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schedule was highly noted. So members of

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the committee are raising these concerns

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with the chair which I concur with them

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whether it's deliberately on your part

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to limit members of the committee to go

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through the report prepare

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and also interact with our researchers

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and content advisor was an area which uh

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we thought we must raise with you as the

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chief administrator of all the

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institutions

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uh in the in the in the in the portfolio

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we're observing and I think we request

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your response to that.

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Um those are the two issues that you are

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going to to to um um to raise. Members

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we have received

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um interaction with these two

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institutions. We've also been favored

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with the overall uh uh detailed brief by

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the auditor general last week. We've

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also requested that we meet with the

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order general which we have scheduled

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them to meet them this Friday in in

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committee to further interrogate the

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areas which they've been raised at the

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level of the department and the

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government printing works and also two

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institutions BMA and the independent

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electoral commission.

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We note the progress the positive sites

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that are coming out of the um report of

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both the institutions. However, we we we

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raise serious concerns which remains the

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unqualified audit opinion of the

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department of form affairs, irregular

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expenditure,

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um capital spending and the a targets

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that were not um achieved and one of the

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issues that would be interrogating

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around this issues. We also note the

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positive sides of the government

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printing works. Um however we note the

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also the irregular expenditure that are

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associated foodless and wasteful

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expenditure

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and all uh areas that have been

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identified by the order general and this

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will give us an opportunity um to get a

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detail uh from the department uh the

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team that is going to be led here so

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that we're able to deal decisively and

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make sure that uh we aortion our

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responsibility

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of uh conducting oversight and we hope

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all the team uh we've listened carefully

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to the auditor general uh when they were

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briefing the committee last week and we

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have carefully identified certain areas

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that would be expecting to interact

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particularly from the CFOs of the two um

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institution GPW

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and the department of form affairs

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Now that the agenda has been um

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adopted, we'll invite the um

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minister to introduce the two report

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briefly and then we'll have more give

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more opportunity to the two institution

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led by the director general and also the

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CEO of government printing works to

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um h to deal with the with the with the

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matter. Mr. Salmon

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um can we identify the item number two

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and members if the the issues you have

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raised with the uh in fact the DJ may

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need to

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um perhaps make a comment before we

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start with item number three on the

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concerns that members have identified

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around the uh issues of late responses.

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Let me start with content advisor Mr.

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Son if there

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>> yes chairp person. Thank you very much.

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Um Eddie received an apology for missi

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and then uh honorable

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also indicated that he might not have a

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good connection cuz he's flying but I

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see that he's in the meeting. Um, we

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also had an apology from the deputy

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minister, but I see he's also in the

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meeting and then from the minister that

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he will need to leave at 12:30 chap.

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Thank you.

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>> Thank you very much, director general.

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>> Good morning to you, chairperson. Good

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morning to the honorable members. So

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good morning to the minister of form

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affairs, the deputy minister of form

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affairs, the DDGs that are online. I

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think firstly it's to apologize chair

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for the late submission. I think due to

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the changes in terms of the the program

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would truly apologize that the report

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was not timelessly sent so that the

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content advisor could then go through it

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and we commit that uh we will rectify

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that. Thank you chair.

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>> Thank you very much uh for that. What

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we'll advise is that all the

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presentations

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uh from henceforth must be

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uh sent to the

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committee by Friday

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at 12:00 so that we allow the team and

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members of the committee to interact

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with the report until Monday and I think

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that will be appreciated DJ it's not a

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difficult matter because both the

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portfolio committee and the department

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and the institutions

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we interact with these matters daily. So

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I think uh we note that uh response from

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you director general minister

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oh sorry members is there any other

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matter you want to raise on this matter.

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Okay. Noted. Minister, can you introduce

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briefly the two reports presentations

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and then we invite the DG to

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and the CEO. Thank you.

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>> Thank you so much honorable chairperson.

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Good morning to you. Um good morning to

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all of the honorable members as well as

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the officials on the call. Um we are

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essentially then having a follow-up um

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