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How Women Become Carceral Feminists

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Yeah R. Kelly didn't do that.

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Robert Kelly did.

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The legal age is 16 years old.

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We see a line of days.

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I'm gonna see a black

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man who came so far,

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almost to a billion dollars, plowed down.

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Every other day, the public becomes aware

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of how a famous man abused a woman.

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And every other day,

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the public makes heroes

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out of those men and villains.

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There is no greater

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example of this in recent history

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than the rapper Tori Lanes,

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who not only shot the

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rapper Megan Thee Stallion,

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but he launched a years-long smear

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campaign against her

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that gained him a fan base of

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black men all over the world

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devoted to berating the

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woman who tried to protect him

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and landed himself in

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prison for 10 years.

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I'm a criminal defense attorney

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who's represented hundreds

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of men accused of crimes,

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including violence against women.

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And never once did I struggle with this

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or secretly root against my clients.

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But when Tori Lanes was convicted,

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I was one of countless

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women happy to see it.

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Why? Because you gave us no other choice.

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(upbeat music)

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My experience on the

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internet as someone who opposes

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the criminal system,

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policing, and prisons

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has been an interesting one.

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Because on one hand,

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I've amassed a following

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of thousands of people

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who on places like Twitter

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followed me

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specifically because they claim

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to share my belief

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that we should dismantle

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the criminal system that we have,

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that prisons are terrible

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places that do not prevent

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nor stop crime, that

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police lie routinely,

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and the media regularly

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takes police word as fact

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without any scrutiny, and

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that criminal prosecution

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and incarceration are rarely the answer

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to whatever harm has occurred.

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Yet, the same people eat

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up those words in theory,

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usually have visceral

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reactions whenever I apply

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those beliefs to real-life cases,

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especially if it

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concerns domestic violence

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or violence against women.

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And I understand that.

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We've been taught to believe that prison

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is the answer to wrongdoing,

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that taking accountability means being

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permanently prosecuted and convicted.

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So it makes sense that

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people who rightly see men

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abusing women as wrong

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would believe those men

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should be thrown under the jail.

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And unfortunately, our

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collective lived experience

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is that most times, the

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only people who caution us

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against rushing to

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immediately condemn, discard,

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and are prosecute men

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accused of abusing women

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are those who are

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trying to deny, dismiss,

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or diminish the abuse.

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It's usually those who

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do not have a problem

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with men abusing women.

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And in the case of women who do this,

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they're usually pick-me's for abusers.

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Which is why, on any

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occasion where the internet

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was virtually stoning some

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man at the very first whiff

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of a headline

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suggesting they abused a woman,

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and I made the mistake

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of trying to introduce

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an abolitionist

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framework into the discourse,

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I've had my ass handed

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to me by those who we call

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carceral feminists, who don't give a

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(beep)

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why it's problematic

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that people who claim

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to be abolitionists that

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oppose punitive criminal systems

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that condemn and discard

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people are quick to adopt

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those same punitive

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attitudes and practices

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within their social

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circles and communities

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before knowing anything beyond a headline

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and a police account.

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If you've never heard

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of carceral feminism,

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the term was coined

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by Elizabeth Bernstein

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in her 2007 essay, "The Sexual Politics

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of New Abolitionism."

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The term is not a complimentary one.

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And it refers to feminists

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who not only want to rely

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on the criminal system

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for dealing with issues

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of gender-based

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violence, they want to throw

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the

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(beep)

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book at abusers who they believe

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cannot be reformed, who they believe

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are innately violent

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and need to be kept away

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from the rest of us.

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So carceral feminism is

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in tension with abolition

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for obvious reasons.

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But while I don't like carceral feminism,

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especially how it

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shows up on social media

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because I don't think it

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will accomplish anything

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but expanding the

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prison industrial complex,

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I've come to realize that

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dismissing why carceral feminists

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feel the way they do is a mistake.

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Because the reason they

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feel the way they do is valid.

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And until we address the

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problem carceral feminists have,

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there is no path to

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abolition or redemption

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for men who commit harm.

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Because the truth is, I

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think most reasonable women,

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including myself, have a

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little carceral feminist in us.

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Because how could we not?

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Especially when I'm doing research on

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as Tory Lane shooting Megan Thee Stallion

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and the additional restraining order

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she requested against him.

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We can see that over 100

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articles were published

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on this story with only 7%

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of them being right leaning.

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This under reporting on the right side

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can indicate a

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disproportionate blind spot on that side.

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And I'm sure you can

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imagine what kind of blind spot

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might exist seeing as this

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is a case involving violence

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against a black woman in music.

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Let's compare the difference in reporting

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between how some right leaning outlets

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frame the assault versus how more left

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leaning sources did.

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We can see that the left

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leaning sources highlight

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the fact that Megan has

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requested a restraining order

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due to the harassment,

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Ask yourselves, how

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do women who otherwise

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do not even believe in

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prisons find themselves

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rooting to throw abusive

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(beep)

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under the jail?

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Well, it's because we

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haven't been given any other choice

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and I think there is

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no greater proof of that

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than the vilification

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of Megan Thee Stallion.

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I'm a black woman and a

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criminal defense attorney,

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but I'm also a woman who has experienced

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domestic violence and an abolitionist.

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Those things do not conflict,

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but during the trial against Tory Lanez,

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as someone who is not

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rooting for him to beat the case,

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people assume that they must.

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But I maintain that believe it or not,

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everything that

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unfolded since Tory Lanez shot

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Meg Thee Stallion

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makes a case for abolition

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and illustrates how our

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criminal system serves

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as an impediment to

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truly taking accountability

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and addressing harm.

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Stay with me.

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Condemning crime is not

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the same as solving it.

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To solve crime, you must prevent it

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and you can only do that by interrogating

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and understanding how and why the crime

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came about the root cause

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so that you can address it.

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Abolition is about preventing harm

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and the fundamental

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recognition that what we're doing now,

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mass incarceration does not do that

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because it's not meant to.

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And instead, it makes matters worse

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because it's meant to.

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Yet we are invested in

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treating criminal convictions

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and incarcerations as the

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answer to all of our problems,

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as being synonymous with justice.

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So we refuse to interrogate our issues

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without the legal

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system or to hold each other

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accountable without it.

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What's worse is we often

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can't hold each other accountable

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for harm we've caused in honest, healing,

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non-punitive ways that

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help address and correct

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that behavior because the

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threat of our criminal system

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stands in tension with that.

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Let me explain what I mean.

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I was relieved and honestly happy, happy

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that Meg Thee Stallion when

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Tory Lanez was found guilty

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of all his charges.

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I did not feel that way

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because I was especially outraged

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by his crime or because

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I think his conviction

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or any conviction constitutes justice,

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nor because I think he deserves prison

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or that incarcerating

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him will benefit anyone,

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change what's been done or prevent it

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from happening in the future.

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Over four years ago, Tory

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Lanez shot Meg Thee Stallion

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in her foot.

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Initially, we only knew she'd been shot

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and everyone assumed Tory

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did it, but Meg said nothing.

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The internet responded

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with countless memes and jokes

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about Tory shooting her.

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That's important because

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the people who now hate Meg

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and champion Tory Lanez and artists who

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wouldn't have crossed

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their minds if they'd been asked to name

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their top 50 rappers

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of today, what have you

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believed that that hatred

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does not come from misogyny,

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that it is solely the result

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of their unshakable

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conviction that she is lying

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on an innocent black man.

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They would have you

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believe that if they had a video

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of him shooting her,

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if they knew he shot her

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without a single shadow of a doubt,

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that they would sing a different tune.

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That's why it's important

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to remember that initially,

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before they cycled

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through these conspiracies,

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Seattle goalposts shifted

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from she was never shot to okay,

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she was shot, but she's

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lying about who shot her,

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to slut shaming her, to

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challenge her credibility

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while never addressing

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the credibility of the man

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actually on trial or the litany of things

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that diminished his credibility.

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They assumed he shot her and

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they thought it was hilarious.

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And Megan still said nothing.

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Then Tory Lanez

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apologized to Megan privately,

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but even though Meg had remained silent

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and nothing suggested that

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she wanted to press charges

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against Tory, Tory's team, who probably

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reasonably understood

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that it's the district attorney's office

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who presses the charges, not the victim.

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And in wanting to protect

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Tory from negative press,

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they leaked stories to the blogs

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that would absolve him of wrongdoing,

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which reasonably

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antagonized and upset Meg.

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It was then and only

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then that Meg decided

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to tell the public how he'd shot her,

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but she protected him nonetheless,

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because she was scared the

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police would brutalize them

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and she told them he had

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a gun or what he'd done.

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So she allowed the police to handcuff her

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and criminalize her to his benefit,

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all whilst the bullet was in her foot.

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And telling the truth prompted Tory Lanez

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to mercilessly attack

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her however he could,

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doing things like making a music video

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where he chopped off a horse's foot

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that was supposed to represent her,

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and thus fueling a massive hate train

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against the woman he'd liked,

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because he foolishly thought

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his freedom depended on it,

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that beating this woman down

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in the court of public opinion

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would change his chances at trial.

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And the result was that for years,

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swaths of black men, artists and athletes

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like LeBron James, who had never given

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him a second thought

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and even disliked him

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in some cases like Drake,

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began trying to

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iconify him and ascend him

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to this unearned

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importance in the community,

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shouting him out, uplifting his music

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and thoughtlessly criticizing Meg.

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This bitch live, I get in shots

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But she's still a stallion

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When they were chastised for it,

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they all responded,

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including Tory himself,

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with some variation of

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wait until the trial,

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the truth will come out at trial,

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you'll all be so sorry

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when Tory's found innocent.

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I highlighted they to

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emphasize this point.

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It was Tory's supporters who chose the

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outcome of the trial

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as the benchmark heir.

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They announced to us that

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they would treat the outcome

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of the trial as the arbiter of truth,

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as the final word, not us.

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Abolitionists know, women know,

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domestic violence survivors know,

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black people know,

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that the criminal

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system is not about justice,

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that trials rarely

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provide clarity as to the facts,

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that judges and juries

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are just human beings

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with biases and blind

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spots and can get it wrong,

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that you could be guilty of a crime

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and still neither you,

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the victim or society

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are made whole or better by convicting

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and or incarcerating you.

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We know that, but the

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people championing Tory

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drew that line in the sand anyway.

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That is why I was happy for Meg.

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That is why I was

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relieved Tory was convicted.

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Because if he hadn't been,

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the agents of misogyny had made it clear

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that they not only

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would have tortured Meg,

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but they continue to torture every woman

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who's ever been in a position.

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And those who have yet to be,

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but may feel too afraid of being met

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with the same response to

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speak up when it happens to them.

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And while it's why I was relieved,

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it's also precisely why

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I believe in abolition.

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Because we live in a

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society that has taught us

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that the only metric

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for justice is a system

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that we know doesn't bring it about.

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So we still rely on it

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to be the deciding factor.

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And on top of that, just

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the existence of this system

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prevented the parties involved from

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pursuing another path.

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Think about it.

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It's quite possible

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that in a different world,

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Tory would already apologize to Meg

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and multiple parties involved in private,

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would have felt

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comfortable taking responsibility

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for his actions and

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atoning some other way

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had taking responsibility not come

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at the cost of his freedom.

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It's just as likely that

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in a world where Tory's team

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wasn't worried the

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district attorney's office

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could and would press charges

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regardless of the

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victim's wants and silence,

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they wouldn't have felt compelled

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to leak counter narratives

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to blogs and antagonize Meg

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into cooperating with

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their case against Tory.

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Imagine a world where Tory

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could have owned what he did,

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addressed what caused him to act that way

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and correct that behavior.

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Imagine a world where we as a society

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address those issues

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and the issues of the people

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that seek to excuse his behavior

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rather than weaponize a

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criminal system against each other,

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knowing that system is itself a weapon

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formed against us all.

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But that's not what happened.

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Because not only is that

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not the world we live in,

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in addition to the limitations imposed

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by the criminal system,

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the reality is and has always been

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that whenever a black

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woman is the victim of abuse

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at the hands of a man, no

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matter what the circumstances,

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she will be made to

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answer for her own pain

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and turned into either the

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butt of the joke or a villain.

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People become contortionist to hold trial

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against black women for

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the harm they suffered

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to determine the myriad of ways

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they were both to blame

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for it and deserving of it.

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And it's this fact

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standing in the way of abolition.

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Because the vilification of victims

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isn't a horrible thing that may happen

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if they speak up about their abuse.

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It's what will happen.

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It's guaranteed.

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This is what I call

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the abuser's second act.

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And on some level, it's

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even worse than the first act,

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the abuse itself.

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Because not only has the

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victim already had to suffer

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the original abuse,

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the public is not now only

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going to become accessories

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after the fact of the crime

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because they are going to

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help the abuser gaslight,

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disparage and verbally beat

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their victim into silence.

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But because this is

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happening in the public's fair,

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the intended victim is

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not the only one made

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to experience the

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trauma of this second act.

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This public lashing

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is felt by all victims.

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And it's society's constant infliction

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of this second act on victims

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who not only had to

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experience their own first

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and second acts,

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but who know that they're

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going to have to experience

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that second act each and every time

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a woman's abuse is made public.

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It's that that burst carceral feminism

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and the knee-jerk reaction to convict

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and condemn alleged abusers

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in the court of public

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opinion without a trial.

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Because they know, because we know,

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it's what will absolutely be done

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to any and every potential victim.

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That's where the primal urge

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to lean into punitive measures

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for men who put us all through this

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second act comes from.

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Carceral feminism is

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born out of the truth

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that there is literally

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no path a woman can take,

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especially black women,

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but it's true of all women.

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There is no path a woman can take

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that society will not oppose, discredit,

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and vilify her for.

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Meghan was proof of that,

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but we have countless examples.

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Take Robin Givens.

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In 1988, she filed for

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divorce for Mike Tyson

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because he violently beat

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her and had a volatile temper.

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And we know that Mike Tyson abused her.

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In his own

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(beep)

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1989 biography,

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"Fire and Fair, The

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Inside Story of Mike Tyson,"

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Mike Tyson is quoted, quote,

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"I like to hurt women

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when I make love to them.

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It gives me pleasure."

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He specifically called

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punching Robin Givens, quote,

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"the best punch I've ever

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thrown in my entire life.

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It was when I fought Robin

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in Steve Lot's apartment.

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She really offended me and I went, bam!

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She flew backwards, hitting

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every wall in the apartment.

15:10

That was the best punch I've

15:12

ever thrown in my entire life."

15:14

And yet, this is how the

15:15

media framed Robin Givens.

15:17

You know what people write

15:19

about you, say about you.

15:21

You know, this is the

15:21

beautiful, glamorous actress

15:23

with a beautiful, glamorous mother

15:25

who ought to ruin this

15:26

basically, I don't know what,

15:30

tough guy? My mom's life?

15:32

Yes, yes, yes.

15:33

She was called

15:34

everything but a child, a god,

15:35

a gold digger, the most

15:36

hated woman in America.

15:38

To this day, on her Wikipedia page

15:39

where it discusses her

15:40

relationship with Tyson,

15:42

the people who wrote it are still trying

15:43

to frame her as the

15:43

villain by saying she didn't have

15:45

a prenup that she made up her miscarriage

15:46

and she and her mom

15:47

was spending his money.

15:48

Even though Robin

15:49

Givens sat next to Mike Tyson

15:51

across from Barbara

15:52

Walters and told the world

15:53

he was violent and volatile and he sat

15:56

right there next to her

15:57

and he did not deny it

15:59

because he could not deny it.

16:01

Robin, some of the

16:01

things that we've read,

16:03

that he's hit you, that he's chased you

16:05

and your mother around in Russia,

16:08

that Mike has a very

16:09

volatile temper, true?

16:12

Extremely volatile temper.

16:14

I think people see that

16:15

about every three months.

16:17

He's got a side to him that's scary.

16:21

Michael is a manic depressive, he is.

16:23

I mean, that's just a fact.

16:25

And when he's in a manic

16:27

state, he doesn't sleep.

16:29

He has enormous amounts of energy.

16:31

So your sleeping agitates him.

16:33

He gets you up.

16:34

There's an argument.

16:35

I mean, of course you want to sleep.

16:37

So you run out of the

16:37

room and he runs after you.

16:39

Right.

16:39

And people see this

16:40

and it's in the paper.

16:41

Right.

16:42

What he did deny was the idea

16:43

that Robin was spending lavishly,

16:45

that she was a gold digger.

16:47

You said all your

16:47

millions, Robin could have anything

16:49

that she asked for a

16:50

lot, that she spent a lot?

16:51

No, I have to force her to buy things.

16:53

I have to force her

16:54

to dress a certain way.

16:56

She wants to go out with jeans and boots.

16:58

This is how the world

16:58

responded to Robin Givens

17:00

when she didn't even

17:01

ask them for anything.

17:02

Not from them, nor from Mike Tyson.

17:05

She didn't ask for him to be prosecuted.

17:06

So you can't say she tried

17:07

to send a black man to jail.

17:09

She didn't sue him in civil court for

17:10

money for abusing her.

17:12

All she wanted was a

17:12

divorce and a restraining order.

17:14

And in order to do that,

17:15

she cited spousal abuse.

17:17

So she had to tell her

17:18

story about her abuse.

17:19

And for that, a world who

17:21

had nothing to do with it

17:22

decided that they hate her,

17:23

that she must be a gold digger.

17:25

And thus lying about the abuse,

17:27

the abuser himself did

17:28

not and could not deny.

17:30

People can know, know with certainty

17:33

that a woman was abused

17:34

and still refuse to lend her sympathy.

17:36

Take Tina Turner.

17:37

Not only did the 1993 movie

17:39

"What's Love Got to Do With It"

17:40

starring Angela Bassett

17:41

and Laurence Fishburne

17:43

depict the real life story

17:44

of Ike and Tina Turner's life

17:46

where he beat her

17:47

mercilessly for 16 years.

17:49

In real life, Ike Turner

17:50

could barely bring himself

17:52

to deny the abuse

17:53

because he wanted his abuse

17:54

to be attributed as the

17:55

reason for her success.

17:57

If everything Tina

17:57

says about you is true,

18:00

then you're a bad man.

18:01

Well, well, I would say

18:02

this, maybe so, if it was true.

18:05

But if that's what it took

18:06

to make her what she is today,

18:07

then I have no regrets.

18:09

There's no scars on Tina.

18:10

You can take a real close look at her.

18:12

Well, what I did do to Tina is like,

18:16

I've slapped Tina.

18:17

The only time I ever

18:18

punched Tina in my life

18:19

was the last fight that we had.

18:21

And that was in Dallas, Texas.

18:24

This is the last time we broke up.

18:27

I've slapped her

18:28

anytime, when I say slapped her,

18:30

it's like, I think we lived a lie.

18:32

He was allowed to just continue on.

18:34

He wasn't banished to the shadows.

18:35

He wasn't truly shamed.

18:37

And what's wild is that

18:38

we know about Ike's abuse

18:39

because Tina decided to

18:40

write a book about her life

18:41

and tell her story in

18:43

order to explain to her critics

18:44

why she left Ike, only for

18:46

her abuse to become a joke

18:47

and a meme even after she's passed on.

18:51

Take Dee Barnes.

18:52

In 1990, Dee Barnes had a

18:54

hip hop show called Pump It Up.

18:55

And on that show, Ice Cube,

18:57

not Dee Barnes, dissed NWA.

18:59

And because Dr. Dre did not

19:01

like what Ice Cube had to say,

19:03

when he ran into a 22-year-old Dee Barnes

19:05

in a Hollywood

19:06

nightclub on January 27, 1991,

19:08

Dee Barnes said he picked

19:09

her up by her hair unprovoked

19:11

and began slamming her head

19:13

in the right side of her body

19:14

repeatedly against a

19:15

brick wall near the stairway

19:17

as his bodyguard held

19:18

off the crowd with a gun.

19:20

And after he tried to throw

19:21

her down the stairs and failed,

19:22

he began kicking her

19:23

in the ribs and hands.

19:25

She escaped and ran

19:26

into the women's restroom

19:27

and he followed her.

19:28

He followed her into the women's restroom

19:29

and grabbed her from

19:30

behind by the hair again

19:32

and proceeded to punch

19:33

her in the back of the head

19:34

before he and his

19:35

bodyguard ran from the building.

19:36

And there was absolutely no disputing

19:38

that this is what Dr. Dre did to her

19:40

in a crowded club in front of witnesses.

19:42

He pleaded no contest to it.

19:44

Yet, people spread rumors

19:46

that she was only suing Dr. Dre

19:48

because he hadn't

19:49

promoted a project of hers.

19:50

And this is what Dr. Dre's

19:51

group members in NWA had to say.

19:53

She got beat down.

19:54

The person who hosted

19:55

that show did something.

19:57

She know what she did and got beat down

19:59

and I hope it happened again.

20:01

See you around, buddy boy.

20:03

What was that, Ren?

20:05

What'd she do that was that--

20:06

What did she do?

20:07

What did she do that

20:07

created the situation

20:08

and made it that bad?

20:09

Try to make us look stupid.

20:11

Try to play us.

20:11

Is that a national TV?

20:14

Try to play us.

20:15

A national TV.

20:17

Try to play us in front

20:18

of millions of people.

20:19

It's not over yet.

20:21

E. Barnes's lawyers say they're obtaining

20:23

a restraining order against Dre

20:24

who they claim has

20:25

continued to threaten Barnes.

20:27

And the larger community's responses

20:28

were very similar to that.

20:30

And that's not even the

20:30

only woman that we know

20:31

for a fact Dr. Dre has brutally abused.

20:34

Think about Michalay.

20:35

And the community has

20:36

excused Dr. Dre's abuse

20:37

against women for decades,

20:39

continuing to celebrate him.

20:40

Take Kiki Palmer, who

20:41

despite being allegedly loved

20:43

and cherished by the black community

20:45

that has watched her grow

20:46

up since Akila and the Bee,

20:47

saw firsthand how the

20:48

community that loves you

20:50

will discredit you if you

20:51

try to speak up against a man.

20:52

Today, Trey Songz has

20:53

repeatedly been accused

20:54

of rape and sexual assault.

20:56

He's been accused of

20:57

so much abuse of women

20:58

that I cannot keep up.

20:59

And he's been arrested numerous times

21:00

for violence, lewd behavior, and more.

21:02

But before Trey Songz being an abuser

21:04

became common knowledge,

21:05

Kiki Palmer tried to

21:06

tell us what he was in 2017.

21:08

And people didn't want to believe it.

21:10

Something Kiki would later

21:11

point out in the breakfast club

21:12

after other people

21:13

started speaking up against him.

21:14

Did you and other Trey

21:15

Songz ever get cool again?

21:16

Man, you know, I've

21:17

not talked to that guy.

21:19

Was it a misunderstanding?

21:20

You know, it wasn't a misunderstanding.

21:21

Did you tell the story of what?

21:22

I tell my truth.

21:23

And you know, I just

21:24

thought it was real interesting

21:24

that after all those things went down,

21:26

someone else had something to say.

21:27

First of all, I love black people.

21:29

I love my people.

21:29

I'm not gonna try to

21:30

ever tear nobody down,

21:32

try to tear no black man down.

21:33

That's not who I am,

21:34

you know what I'm saying?

21:35

Like, that's not what I stand for.

21:36

That's not what I'm about.

21:37

So if I say something,

21:39

I'm saying something,

21:40

for a reason, and I

21:41

feel like so many times

21:42

black women say stuff

21:43

and nobody gives a shit,

21:44

but somebody of another complexion,

21:46

somebody of another

21:47

color, they say something.

21:49

And then it's like,

21:49

we're taking it to court.

21:51

It's time to get serious.

21:53

Hashtag me too.

21:54

And she's right, because

21:55

in 2017, when she spoke up,

21:57

when it happened,

21:58

Wendy Williams's response

21:59

to Kiki's story was very representative

22:01

of the vocal majority.

22:03

Kiki Palmer, you're gonna

22:04

sit down right next to Madonna.

22:06

(audience applauding) Kiki, I like you.

22:10

You're a friend to my radio show,

22:11

you're a friend to my TV show,

22:13

but I'm a straight

22:13

shooter, and I got a papow.

22:15

So Kiki Palmer is fighting

22:17

with Trey Songz, the singer.

22:19

Apparently, Kiki's accusing Trey Songz

22:21

of secretly filming her and

22:22

putting her in his new video.

22:24

There was a party at Trey Songz's house,

22:25

and Kiki was there.

22:27

There's a song that Trey Songz does,

22:28

and in the song, it's not like he says

22:30

the best things about her.

22:31

He says something about, you know,

22:33

I wanna palm her our

22:34

president's favorite P word.

22:36

(audience gasping)

22:38

So that's what he says about Kiki Palmer,

22:41

and I guess she felt like--

22:42

And Wendy was so comfortable with this

22:44

(beep)

22:44

up popular opinion that she said it

22:45

to Kiki's face, giving Kiki no choice

22:48

but to check her in person and make light

22:49

of a serious situation.

22:51

You know what, Kiki?

22:52

Honestly, when I told

22:53

the story about Trey Songz,

22:54

I thought you'd be like,

22:55

some people might be like,

22:56

she talked about me on Hot Topics,

22:58

now I don't wanna go on her show,

22:59

even though you already booked.

23:00

You are a girl after my--

23:02

No!

23:03

She now--

23:04

You tell the rest, and

23:05

what all had happened?

23:06

Well, you know, because

23:07

you done told everybody,

23:08

especially, okay?

23:10

But I don't wanna keep broad

23:11

meeting that one situation,

23:12

but I will say, Wendy, I would've loved

23:14

to turn on your show

23:15

and saw you be a little

23:16

bit more compassionate

23:17

and less accusatory and ridiculed.

23:19

I couldn't, I couldn't.

23:20

Why, girl?

23:21

Because the gag is you wasn't there.

23:22

Well--

23:24

(audience cheering)

23:25

And that wouldn't even

23:25

be the last time Kiki

23:26

would have to grit her

23:27

teeth and bear a community

23:29

minimizing a man's abuse towards her.

23:31

Because in 2023--

23:32

It's been one year

23:33

since Kiki and ex-boyfriend

23:35

Darius Jackson's

23:36

relationship came crashing down

23:38

and ended up in court with

23:39

allegations of domestic violence

23:42

and a custody battle over now

23:43

20-month-old son Leo.

23:46

In November, Kiki was granted

23:47

a temporary restraining order

23:49

after submitting

23:50

screenshots of multiple alleged

23:52

physical assaults

23:53

captured by her security camera.

23:55

Darius first publicized their

23:57

relationship troubles

23:58

in a social media post

23:59

criticizing a dress she wore

24:01

to an usher concert.

24:03

Quote, "It's the outfit, though.

24:04

"You a mom."

24:06

I randomly was on my phone

24:08

that saw a Shaver post of the comment

24:10

and I was just, I was honestly just shot.

24:13

The 31-year-old sat with

24:14

people for their new cover story

24:16

ahead of releasing her

24:17

new memoir, Master of Me.

24:19

In it, she writes, quote,

24:20

"I wish I could say he

24:22

was terrible the entire time

24:23

"or that I was, but it

24:25

wasn't that black and white."

24:26

We saw with our own eyes

24:29

Kiki's child's father Darius,

24:30

a man none of us know

24:32

from Adam, abuse Kiki,

24:34

someone we've loved for decades,

24:35

and all the public,

24:37

who she acts nothing of,

24:38

seemed to care about was joining him

24:40

and slut-shaming her

24:41

over a dress she wore

24:42

to an usher concert.

24:43

Take Cassie Ventura.

24:44

Cassie filed a

24:45

jaw-dropping lawsuit against Diddy

24:46

for years of physical and sexual abuse,

24:48

and Diddy settled the

24:49

lawsuit in less than 24 hours.

24:52

Yet, the public discourse

24:53

accused her of only wanting money,

24:55

of trying to bring this black man down,

24:57

only for footage to leak of

24:59

Cassie trying to escape Diddy,

25:00

only to be punted like a football and

25:02

dragged like an animal.

25:03

And I can tell you

25:04

countless other women's stories

25:05

to illustrate to you

25:06

how the world responds

25:07

to black women's abuse, but I would

25:09

rather tell you my own.

25:10

Abolition isn't just

25:11

about abolishing prisons

25:12

and leaving the world as it is.

25:13

I know that's what people think,

25:14

but that's not what it means.

25:16

In order to have a world without prisons,

25:18

we must first rid ourselves of the harm

25:20

we pretend to use prisons to address.

25:22

And to do that, we must not only address

25:24

the root causes of that harm,

25:25

but also the beliefs,

25:27

attitudes, and behaviors

25:28

preventing us from employing

25:29

alternatives to incarceration

25:31

and reimagining what justice is.

25:33

Meaning, it is

25:34

insufficient to imagine a world

25:36

without prisons where women

25:38

do not have to feel relieved

25:39

that Tory Lanez was convicted

25:40

because men won't be awaiting

25:42

an acquittal to weaponize against us

25:44

without also acknowledging why that's not

25:46

the world we live in.

25:48

Imagining an

25:48

abolitionist future requires us

25:50

to contend with the present reality

25:52

that our world not only refuses to

25:54

protect black women,

25:55

but it also violently lashes out on women

25:57

who try to protect ourselves.

25:59

I've never referred to

26:00

myself as either a victim

26:01

or a survivor of domestic violence,

26:03

because once you do, it becomes central

26:05

to people's assumptions about you

26:07

and what you must

26:07

believe or be triggered by.

26:09

Those assumptions don't

26:10

usually line up with my reality,

26:11

as I'm a woman who

26:12

became a defense attorney

26:13

after it happened to me,

26:15

and I have no special

26:16

hatred hang up or qualms

26:17

with people accused of domestic violence

26:19

or with representing them.

26:20

So on the few occasions I

26:21

have mentioned my experience,

26:23

it's been just that, a mention.

26:25

Offered up in a usually

26:26

heavily watered down manner

26:28

that admittedly

26:28

usually centers and humanizes

26:30

a man who abused me,

26:32

only to rebut the

26:33

assumption that as an abolitionist,

26:34

I've never experienced crime

26:36

and would feel differently if I had to,

26:38

and to assert that I

26:39

wholeheartedly believe

26:40

the involvement of the criminal system

26:41

could not make me or him whole,

26:44

nor could it prevent another woman

26:45

from experiencing what I did.

26:47

For many years, I hadn't

26:47

actually ever told the story,

26:49

especially not for the purposes

26:51

of sharing what happened to me,

26:52

because I didn't really see how such a

26:54

deeply personal pain

26:55

could matter to anyone but me.

26:56

But when people couldn't understand

26:57

why so many black women were relieved

26:59

when Tory Lanez was convicted,

27:01

when they couldn't

27:02

understand why we felt so strongly

27:04

about how Meg was being treated,

27:05

and the certainty in which

27:07

we knew she and other women

27:08

would be mistreated in the

27:10

aftermath of an acquittal,

27:11

I realized that what they

27:12

were missing was reality.

27:15

The reality that what

27:16

happened to Meg is not an anomaly,

27:18

that every day, regular,

27:19

degular black women and girls

27:21

experience a microcosm of

27:23

what the world did to Meg,

27:24

and that there's no

27:25

reimagining a world without prisons

27:27

without first reckoning with that.

27:29

This is how I, like so

27:30

many other black women,

27:31

know what it's like to

27:32

protect a man who attacked you,

27:34

risked your life, and

27:35

somehow still be made the villain

27:37

in one of the most

27:38

traumatic experiences of your life.

27:43

On April 25th, 2014, I

27:45

was a 20-year-old junior

27:46

at Ohio University in Athens, Ohio,

27:49

living off campus with my then-boyfriend,

27:51

whom I'd been with a year

27:53

and who'd recently joined a

27:54

historically black fraternity

27:55

solely because I had

27:56

introduced him to the members

27:58

and paid his dues when

27:59

his white mother refused.

28:00

That night, my sorority

28:01

was throwing a joint party

28:02

with his fraternity.

28:04

At the party, a fight broke out

28:05

between his and another fraternity.

28:07

The fight was quickly resolved

28:08

for all of the other participants,

28:10

but not for my then-boyfriend.

28:11

He ran down the street

28:13

and returned with a paddle

28:14

he had apparently gotten

28:15

from the trunk of his car,

28:16

and he tried to

28:17

further escalate the fights

28:18

despite being sorely outnumbered.

28:20

And I was friends with all

28:21

the men he was trying to fight,

28:22

so I begged them to

28:23

spare him, and they agreed.

28:24

My friend, LaDawn, and I

28:25

then dragged him down the street

28:27

where he continued to argue with us

28:28

because he wanted to return to the fight.

28:30

But to the police driving by,

28:32

it looked like he was

28:33

fighting with my friends,

28:34

so they stopped to

28:34

ask her if she was okay.

28:35

She said she was, but he

28:37

started arguing with them

28:38

about why they were

28:39

stopping him and questioning him,

28:40

so they handcuffed him and

28:41

put him in their backseat.

28:42

I spent at least 30

28:44

minutes pleading with the police

28:45

to let him go, and surprisingly,

28:47

they eventually agreed on the

28:49

condition that he apologized.

28:51

So I then spent another 20

28:52

minutes pleading with him

28:53

to apologize to the

28:54

police and assuring him

28:56

that I knew he should

28:57

not have to apologize,

28:58

but I promised that we

28:59

could unpack it together

29:00

once they let you go

29:01

and we get home safe.

29:03

Eventually, he

29:03

begrudgingly apologized to them.

29:05

The moment the police uncuffed him,

29:07

he darted down the

29:07

street to his parked car.

29:09

But the police had given me his car keys

29:10

because he was too drunk to drive,

29:12

so I just followed

29:13

slowly behind into the car,

29:14

accompanied by my friend that the police

29:16

had assumed he was fighting with

29:17

and one of his fraternity brothers.

29:18

I vividly remember pulling

29:20

up to our apartment building

29:21

because it was raining,

29:22

and he jumped out of the car

29:23

before I even brought

29:24

the car to a complete stop.

29:25

And I had on this

29:26

pair of Reebok Kamikazes

29:28

I'd gotten for Christmas

29:28

that I remember watching

29:30

get muddied as I followed behind him

29:32

because he was running

29:33

through the wet grass.

29:34

And I kept those shoes,

29:35

and I still have those shoes.

29:37

Once we were inside the apartment,

29:38

he did not go to

29:39

either of our two bedrooms.

29:40

He instead threw himself onto

29:42

the couch in the living room

29:43

and began to yell at me for

29:45

wanting him to go to jail.

29:47

And I remember being flabbergasted.

29:49

I literally just got done talking this

29:51

man out of handcuffs,

29:52

out of the police car, and

29:54

out of the criminal charges

29:55

they'd been ready to slap him with.

29:56

And there he was telling

29:57

me I want him to go to jail.

29:59

Which by the way, looking back on now

30:01

as a criminal defense attorney,

30:02

I wasn't half as

30:03

outraged as I deserve to be

30:05

because I would never

30:06

encourage anyone to talk to the police

30:08

or to believe that

30:09

they could talk to police

30:10

out of making an arrest

30:11

they had already made.

30:12

That was the rare exception to the rule

30:13

and he didn't appreciate it.

30:15

So I decided I had enough.

30:16

I'd spent a year being

30:17

tortured by his episodes

30:19

and his undiagnosed

30:20

issues, and this was my limit.

30:21

So I said to him, "You

30:22

know what, I'm done."

30:23

And I left him on the couch

30:24

and I went to our bedroom,

30:25

which was down the hall at

30:26

the back of the apartment.

30:27

I changed into a large

30:28

navy blue Tweety Bird t-shirt

30:30

and I got in bed.

30:31

And I kept that shirt and

30:33

I still have that shirt.

30:34

Shortly after closing my eyes,

30:35

I heard him running

30:36

full speed down the hall,

30:38

but it was so fast, I'm telling y'all,

30:40

before I could even fully open my eyes,

30:42

his hands were around my neck.

30:44

And that was the first time

30:45

I truly ever

30:45

experienced a man's strength.

30:47

I was scratching at him.

30:48

I was trying so hard to get his hands

30:50

from around my neck.

30:51

And I remember the exact

30:52

moment the panic set in

30:54

when I realized that no

30:55

matter how hard I was trying,

30:57

I could not loosen

30:58

his grip around my neck.

30:59

And he only stopped

31:00

choking me just long enough

31:01

to be able to grab me by my braids

31:03

and fling me across the room.

31:05

And I'm telling you, when he did that,

31:07

he ripped multiple braids

31:08

from the front of my scalp.

31:10

And when I landed, I tried to run

31:12

and he grabbed me, tearing my shirt.

31:14

He pulled me back down to the ground

31:15

and he started kicking me in my head.

31:17

And I don't remember exactly

31:19

how many times he kicked me,

31:20

but I remember telling the doctor

31:21

who told me I had a concussion

31:23

that I lost count after the 36 kick.

31:25

And I do remember that

31:26

while he was kicking me,

31:27

he was calling me by other people's names

31:29

and he was screaming

31:30

messages that seemed meant

31:31

for whomever he seemed to

31:32

be seeing instead of me.

31:34

And at some point the

31:34

neighbors must have heard me screaming

31:36

and crying for him to

31:37

stop and call the police.

31:38

And the knock at the door startled him

31:40

literally just long enough

31:41

to give me an opportunity

31:42

to run towards the door.

31:43

And when I opened it, I was

31:44

expecting to see my friends

31:46

because they told me

31:46

they planned to drop by

31:47

because they were concerned

31:48

about how he'd been acting all night.

31:50

But instead of it being my friends,

31:51

it was the same officers

31:52

that I had convinced literally

31:53

not even an hour earlier to release him,

31:55

like probably not even 30 minutes.

31:57

But my friends I

31:58

initially expected to see

31:59

did arrive moments later.

32:00

And they were with me

32:01

as I sat on the floor

32:02

and nothing but that

32:03

torn up Tweety Bird shirt

32:04

with braids visibly missing from my head,

32:06

crying and pleading with the police not

32:08

to arrest him again.

32:09

I even told them to

32:10

arrest me in his place,

32:11

which is so fucking crazy.

32:13

And all of us is happening.

32:14

I can hear him in our

32:15

bedroom screaming at officers,

32:17

fuck that bitch, in reference to me,

32:18

the woman protecting

32:19

him to her detriment.

32:21

So I call his mother to

32:22

help me convince the police

32:23

not to arrest him.

32:24

He was black by racial, but black, but

32:26

his mother was white.

32:27

So I put the phone on speakers

32:28

so that she could talk to the police

32:29

and convince them not to arrest him.

32:31

But she told them to

32:32

arrest him and they did.

32:33

And as they were dragging

32:34

him out of the apartment,

32:35

I literally could hear him screaming,

32:37

begging them to please

32:38

let me talk to my girl.

32:39

And when he called me from jail,

32:40

he cried about hurting me

32:42

and how disappointed he was

32:43

because as a black man, he

32:44

had always promised himself

32:45

he would never go to jail.

32:46

That was a place he really

32:47

never wanted to see himself in.

32:49

And I understood that.

32:50

And I told him how that

32:51

understanding was precisely

32:53

why I begged them not to

32:53

arrest him in the first place

32:55

and why I wasn't going to

32:56

proceed with a case against him.

32:57

Then I met with some of

32:58

his fraternity brothers

32:59

and his only friend who

33:01

had come to our apartment

33:01

to check on me and offer their

33:03

condemnations of him

33:04

because everyone knew what he did.

33:06

They knew exactly who he was.

33:07

Two of them had literally witnessed

33:09

many of the night's

33:09

events, but I still begged them.

33:12

I begged them not to ostracize him.

33:14

Then his mom drove over two

33:16

hours down to our apartment

33:18

and told me I had quote,

33:20

"Brought this out of her son."

33:22

And it was my fault he'd attacked me

33:24

because it was childish of me to tell him

33:26

I was done with the relationship

33:27

when he accused me of

33:29

wanting him to go to jail.

33:30

Mind you, this was a

33:31

woman who I had watched

33:32

physically run from him in a mall

33:34

in Dayton, Ohio months

33:35

earlier and had warned me

33:37

that I needed to decide

33:38

if I could be with him

33:39

because he was quote, "Looking at her

33:41

like he wants to beat her ass."

33:42

She then looked me dead in my eye,

33:44

and told me that my

33:45

name was not on the lease

33:46

and that the order of

33:47

protection the court would impose

33:48

regardless of what I wanted meant

33:50

that we could not be

33:51

together despite living together

33:53

and having no other place to go,

33:55

she put all my fucking

33:56

things in garbage bags

33:57

and threw them outside.

33:58

This was the week before my finals,

34:00

so I went into my finals week,

34:02

homeless, traumatized, and

34:03

exhausted on my friend's couch,

34:05

and exhausted because I

34:06

wasn't allowed to go to sleep

34:07

with a fucking concussion.

34:08

Despite that, upon the

34:10

advice of his attorney,

34:11

I wrote a leniency letter to the court

34:13

explaining that he was an amazing person

34:15

who was troubled but needed therapy

34:17

and mental health

34:17

treatment, not criminal prosecution.

34:19

I took the bus with money I did not have

34:21

to get the letter notarized

34:22

and submitted to the court.

34:24

His mother and fraternity

34:25

brother called to criticize me

34:27

for acknowledging any fault on his part

34:29

and for saying the letter

34:30

that he needed mental health treatment.

34:32

But I did not know how

34:33

else to write a letter

34:34

supporting him

34:35

without totally invalidating

34:37

that he had fucking attacked me.

34:39

And I refused to

34:40

cooperate with the prosecutor

34:42

and I ignored every

34:43

call until they were forced

34:44

to dismiss his case in

34:45

the order of protection.

34:46

It was about a month

34:47

or so between his arrest

34:48

and the case's dismissal.

34:50

I know because I couldn't see him,

34:52

but I spent that time

34:53

doing everything I could

34:54

to protect him.

34:55

And I remember the weight of the

34:56

depression I sank into

34:57

when his fraternity

34:58

brothers and my sorority sisters,

35:00

the same people I had

35:01

begged not to ostracize him,

35:03

had instead decided to ostracize me.

35:06

When he was released from

35:07

jail after arraignments,

35:08

one of his fraternity

35:09

brothers who barely knew him

35:11

did not like him.

35:12

Who I had personally known for years,

35:15

saying to him,

35:16

"I bet you can't wait

35:17

to cut that bitch off."

35:18

And they all laughed about how it

35:20

wouldn't have happened

35:20

if he'd been with my

35:21

light-skinned sorority sisters

35:23

he'd apparently tried

35:23

getting with earlier

35:24

in the night he attacked me.

35:26

They provided him physical shelter

35:27

to cheat on me at their homes.

35:29

People I had been friends with for years

35:31

who had taken me to the

35:32

hospital and sat with me

35:33

when the doctor told

35:34

me I had a concussion,

35:35

shrugged their shoulders and told me

35:38

that they did not believe he attacked me

35:40

because despite the

35:41

fact that he never denied

35:43

what he had done to me

35:44

and always appeared

35:44

profoundly hurt, ashamed,

35:46

and traumatized with a whole experience

35:47

when he spoke to me,

35:48

while his case was open,

35:50

he either denied, minimized,

35:52

or allowed his friends'

35:52

conspiracy theories to fly

35:54

because he was afraid

35:55

of going back to jail.

35:56

They painted him as this light-skinned,

35:58

small and non-threatening man

36:00

versus a big, dark black woman

36:02

who must be secretly

36:03

violent and adversarial.

36:04

I was a five-foot-two

36:05

woman who was asleep

36:07

when he, a five-foot-nine man,

36:09

choking me with all his strength.

36:11

Instead of being a

36:12

victim of domestic violence,

36:13

they called it a toxic relationship

36:16

and painted this

36:16

picture about mutual violence

36:18

where we must simply

36:19

have a violent relationship

36:20

where I must have attacked him

36:22

and he just defended himself.

36:23

I have never put my

36:24

hands on him or any other man

36:26

and I was asleep,

36:27

but that didn't stop them

36:28

from constantly implying

36:29

that I must have been the aggressor

36:30

and raising all these new

36:31

hypotheticals about my complicity

36:33

and all these

36:33

justifications for what he'd done.

36:35

One of the worst lows I had ever felt

36:37

was hearing someone say he attacked me

36:39

and hearing someone who

36:40

stood in my house as my friend

36:42

respond, "Well, you know she's big,"

36:45

and then erupt into

36:46

laughter at the implication

36:47

that my weight meant I

36:49

couldn't be a victim.

36:50

And mind you, I'm a regular-sized bitch

36:52

and this man is much larger than me.

36:54

I never imagined that

36:55

I would feel gratitude

36:56

to still have the shirt and shoes I wore

36:58

the night he attacked me.

37:00

I'd never have fad

37:01

him that for my sanity,

37:02

I would need to look at

37:03

that ripped Tweety Bird shirt

37:04

and the muddle-nosed shoes

37:06

just to be sure that

37:07

something I lived through

37:08

happened to me because

37:09

people would gaslight me

37:10

so violently to make me wonder,

37:13

did I attack this man first?

37:15

When I know what happened,

37:17

I know that many people roll their eyes

37:20

when they hear, "Protect Black Women,"

37:22

because they perceive it as a

37:24

self-indulgent rallying cry

37:25

from a whiny interest group,

37:28

rather than a cry for help

37:30

from who Malcolm X described

37:32

as the most unprotected, disrespected,

37:35

and neglected group

37:35

of women on the planet.

37:37

I'm not trying to convince anyone

37:38

that they should protect Black women.

37:40

I'm illustrating how I

37:41

know that we are not,

37:43

even when we're the first people to

37:44

protect our abusers.

37:46

We cannot live in a world without prisons

37:48

where Black women do not

37:49

breathe a sigh of relief

37:51

when a Black man is

37:52

convicted for abusing a Black woman,

37:54

where Meg isn't forced to

37:55

rely on the criminal system

37:57

if we refuse to offer

37:58

Black women protection

38:00

anywhere else within our communities.

38:02

If we want a world where there's

38:04

redemption for abusers,

38:05

we must first stop

38:06

celebrating and protecting abusers.

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