Dr Bert Roux: Body, Soul & Spirit

record. Thank you for reminding me. He

is all the way from Ams and Toti in

Kazulu Natal and um he is affiliated

with Kingsway Ministries. Now when I

read his CV I can basically keep you

busy for an hour if I have to list

everything that he has done and that he

is busy doing. I did wan to share some

of the things that he specializes in to

give you an idea of um how blessed we

are to have him teach this class. So he

has a diploma in word therapy. He is his

doctor's degree in counseling for those

of you are doing counseling. A PhD in

theology he has also published a book it

is called Encountering Spiritual War a

theological and psychological model.

look out for that one. And then he wrote

and he published numerous articles all

across the world. He's involved in

counseling, he's preaching, he's

teaching, he's training. He has a finger

in almost every p. So we are very

honored and thankful to have him share

with us his wisdom and his knowledge. He

is g to teach us for the next six weeks

about the body, soul and the spirit.

Um so Dr. Bert welcome. Thank you for

your time and thank you for sharing your

wisdom with us. We are honored to have

you here and we look forward to learning

from you. I am going to hand over to

you. I do have your slides available.

You can just tell me when I should share

it. Should go.

Thank you very much.

Good evening, lady Melinda. Um, it is

absolute pleasure for me to be in the

presence uh of you guys. And also number

one is with the Holy Spirit.

Um the Holy Spirit has led me to write

this uh body, soul and spirit course and

through many hundreds of counseling

sessions, this course has actually

helped a lot of people uh to understand

themselves more because what this course

entils is it gives you indication of how

the body, soul and spirit interactively

work with each other.

Um and uh the Lord has blessed us with a

lot of knowledge and uh an understanding

and uh there's a lot of clarity people

will get from from this course. And as

we discussed before that uh at the end

of the of the session we will have a

time for

questions and answers. So they're more

than welcome. So during the the process

and during the session you welcome to

write down your questions and at the end

of the session you are welcome to to ask

those questions and uh I'll answer them

to the best of my ability.

Fine. Ok. Now I always start with this

just to sort of break the ice a little

bit because we're unfamiliar with each

other. And uh tonight I just want to

find out how many people are on on this

course.

>> Dr. Bert, our numbers are varying. Um

but we should be around 13 I think.

>> 13. Ok. Not a problem.

And the question that I want to ask, how

many of the people that is viewing this

course tonight is lefthanded?

Are there any people that's lefthanded?

>> I am a Dr. Brew.

you are a left-handed. Is that the only

one that's lefthanded?

You see, it is very interesting because

during this course, we're going to deal

with the left and right hemisphere of

the brain to teach you what's happening

in the soul's dimension as well because

I'm concentrating a lot on the soul's

dimension. Now, we know from biology in

our school that the left brain controls

the right side of the body.

The right brain controlls the left side

of of our body. So it's only lefthed

people that's in the right mind.

So I'm honored to be in your presence

then.

Now may you guys enjoy this this um all

the ladies and gentlemen that's there

tonight. uh may you enjoy this uh course

with us and uh may the Lord bless you

with all the knowledge um that you gain

from this course and uh use this and uh

take it out into the world, show the

world, tell the world and um ja why

because Hoseaiah 4:6 declares to us my

people perish due to a lack of knowledge

and you see we actually use that verse a

lot of times in in

uh in our world and as a Christian we

say the people perish due to lack of

knowledge but there is a warning to that

verse. You see we we don't very often

quote the second part of that verse and

the second part of that verse says, the

first part says my people perish due to

a lack of knowledge. The second part

says, "And you have uh rejected my

knowledge, I will reject your priesthood

and your children."

So when we as God's children are

actually in the presence of God and we

honor him through our lives,

then God will honor us in that wisdom

that we require. And we'll get to the to

the other verses. Um, you know, so a lot

of times we say, "But I don't have the

knowledge. I'm I'm a a young Christian.

I don't know the Bible as the other one

does." And uh there's there's so much

knowledge that we need to gain. But when

we go through this course, you're going

to see that the full knowledge of who

Christ is that is in you.

The same spirit that rose Jesus from the

dead is in you.

There's nothing that you that you

actually need that you come short of.

But I'm going to show you, we'll talk

about that later on. In the world, we

know that the world is full of chaos.

There's a lot of um

new things that's happening in the

world. Um there are a lot of technology

that that we use in the world and uh

people read and see things through this

technologies and the things that's

happening in the world which they

experience and they don't know how to

deal with this. I want to make this

statement. I actually preached about it

this Sunday that passed

and I want to make this statement by

saying if we as the children of God

celebrate a sin

the next or the tolerate a sin let me

put it this way if we tolerate a sin the

next generation is going to celebrate

that sin and the generation that is

going to follow them is not even going

to know it's a sin anymore.

So we must be very careful when we in

the presence of God that whatever we do

we do to honor his name.

We do it because we we honor the glory

of God that is in our lives. From the

beginning in the Bible it states in the

beginning

God created heavens and earth and we

know what it's all about. In the

beginning he created time, the heavens

he created space and the earth he

created matter. So it's time space

matter and when God created all those

things he filled it with the stars moon

and on the earth with the trees and and

people and the sea and all those things.

He filled it with it.

And with verse one, the whole Bible,

that's my interpretation has got cannot

exist without Genesis 1: 1 because that

is the beginning of everything.

And God is not submitting under his

creation. He's the creator.

We are his creation.

We are submitting under his creation.

And during this course, we're going to

see that it's important to understand

that when we submit under God the

creator, then we cannot

come and tell the Lord what he must and

must not do. And that unfortunately we

see a lot of times people are easy to

get cross with the Lord. People are easy

to to tell the Lord how and what to do.

And uh ja, that is why I say we need to

make sure that we're in the presence of

God that we honor him for who he is. And

you must honor the holiness that is in

you. And you must live holy because the

Bible says that live holy because I am

holy.

Now when we're going to speak tonight, I

want to start with the soul's dimension.

Now, there's a lot that we can say about

the soul's dimension which is very

important.

Because if you look at at your the

cognitive uh cognitive the will and the

emotions

that makes the character of man.

So we need to make sure that we

understand the soul's dimension. What

the soul's dimension is all about.

Now let me can I just wantan to stand so

that I can start to draw this. Um

Lady uh Melindi, can you put up that

first one for us? Um of the uh Optimum

the first one let me just

that is the uninformed optimism.

Sorry, just bear with me. I'm almost

there.

I would believe that um they all got

these

going to that one. Yes. Now you will see

that this is how we in life, in business

and also in the church

um find ourself.

We get a course like this uh body, soul

and spirit

and we are very optimistic

about what we've heard, what is going to

happen. So we call that uninformed

optimism.

And you come to the course and then

similar courses like this and then when

you sit in the course and all of a

sudden you have got what we call

informed pessimism

or negativity if you will.

So you sit and you ponder about what has

been said and the way things are has

been said and then you fall into what we

call the value of despair. Now this is

unfortunately where a lot of people a

lot of Christians

um battle to to continue and carry on

and make a success

of um what the Lord wants them to do

because if they in the valley of despair

they don't know which way to go. I don't

know if they are in the right place, if

they are in the right course and if this

is for them and there's a lot of

questions that they start to ask you and

then all of a sudden in that valley of

despair they going to make a decision

this course is not my be for me. And

then they're going to go back because

they've heard about something else in in

their congregation or in the area. And

then they're going to go back to that

new course. So they go back to the first

one, uninformed optimism.

And then they sit in the course and then

they've got uninformed or informed

pessimism or negativity.

They go down to the valley of the

despair and that is the cycle a lot of

people in their lives go through. And

it's important that whether it's in your

spiritual life, in your personal life,

in your work situation, it works exactly

the same. So you need to push through

this value of despair. You need to make

sure that if you don't understand

something, ask the questions so that you

get clarification on what you need to

know. And then you go, if you go through

that and you push through, you go to

informed optimism. Now all of a sudden

this what has been said makes sense to

me and then I move into the result that

I wanted. The result is that I gain so

much knowledge on what the Lord actually

wanted me to learn and I can apply it in

my life because what is the use of any

knowledge if that knowledge is not

applied in the life if that knowledge is

not going to change uh your life around.

So therefore it's important for us to

understand that and I say this a lot of

times there is three things that um any

course any sermon must do. This sermon

must make sure number one that it burns

like a fire in you that whatever does

not uh should not be in your in your

life anymore that it takes it out. It

burns it out. God says it will burn it

out.

Then secondly it is like a hammer.

Should be like a hammer. So it should

crush those things and sometimes it's

not nice to to have all those things

that doesn't belong things that

shouldn't be in our lives as a Christian

to be crushed.

And then thirdly it should be like a

two-edged sword.

And if that is a two-edged sword, it can

cut through and make sure that whatever

belongs in your life, we'll get to this

one as well in a later stage. Um this

verse in Hebrews uh uh 12 um uh 4 ver 12

sorry and this is where the sword must

cut through so that it can pierce

through all those things that doesn't

belong. If any course or any sermon

doesn't do all those three or one of

those three, then you must um

revisit that that cause or see what is

wrong with it. Ok, that cause must speak

to you. It must speak to your soul. It

must bring you to a place where you want

to know if there's something wrong in my

life, I must change it. And this is what

I hope for this course can do for us

that we can carry on through this uh

next six weeks together and um you can

learn from this and maybe I can learn

something from you in in uh what you say

and what you ask. So um and always

remember and I say this always don't be

afraid to ask questions. You might think

it is not a a good enough question but

the next person or someone else has got

maybe the same type of question they

just doesn't want to ask it. So please

be feel free um to write it down and uh

when there's time for questions and

answers you're more than welcome to to

ask the questions. Ok good.

I'm going to start and I hope everyone

can see my board.

Um

let me just bring in closer.

I hope I can you guys can everyone can

see it.

>> Yes Dr. Bert we can see. If you start

writing, we'll tell you little bit to

the left or to the right but so far we

can see.

>> Ok.

I'm going to start first with the three

levels of decision making that in it.

If we can just go to the to the uh I

think two or three slides from there.

We come back to that one. Yeah, that

one. On the three levels of decision

making. The first one that we got is

your rational.

That's your rational decision making

level. Now in this level um

do you need to see me all the time or

can I just stand to the side that you

can see the board?

>> If we see the board that's perfectly

fine. We can hear you. Thank you.

>> Good. Um in this level of the rational

level this is where we um function

optimal in our life. In other words,

this is where everything is going well

in your life. This is where you've got

relationships and it's going well in

your family, your work relationships.

You've got a good relationship with

congregation members. you've got a

relationship with the Lord and uh you

everything is going well. Your brain

nervous systems are functioning well and

uh we'll get more into that on a later

stage. The brain at that stage in this

um optimal functioning level and the

rational level uh uses about only 25% of

your energy of your body's energy. Um

you are very calm, collected, you are

grounded, you in control of yourself. um

and the environment you're you don't

have any sort of fears and you are

focused in you're creative and you're

flexible in uh what you need to do. Your

body is relatively free of physical

stress in that in that situation

and uh you don't have emotional shortage

of words because you'll see when once

you get into emotional stage sometimes

we get um a shortage of words because of

our emotional stage you make easily easy

easily um eye contact when you speak to

people you listen to them you got

patience and you you don't need to have

clarification when you speak to people

because you do it in a calm tone of

voice. Your relationship um is very

good.

Your problem solving that you have you

are it's good. So um you because there's

enough oxygen and uh blood flowing to

your brain to accommodate that. And I'm

going to tell you later on what is

happening uh on that as well. your

stress um levels are are very right

down. Your breathing is um you actually

control your breathing a lot. So all in

all we can see that it is going well

with you when you're in this rational

decision making level. Ok. Now this is a

good place for us to be in it.

Some of the people call it this is a

normal state of mind. Now, just for the

interesting sake, if you want to, you

can go and search and see if you can

really define what normal is.

And you'll find very soon that to define

normal, it's not so easy

because what is normal for our culture

is not normal for the next culture. It's

not normal for the for the other

cultures in the world. So norm uh

normality revolves around your culture

and your belief systems.

But abnormal is something else.

Abn abnormalty we can describe very easy

when um because a lot of the cultures um

have got sort of the same thinking

patterns when it comes to abnormalty and

you can more easily describe abnormalty.

Ok. So therefore when we in this

rational decision making level, but

please just remember I'm not a artist so

bear with me. Um

I call that a trigger. Now the same as

you've got a a rifle and you pull the

trigger that is the trigger.

This I call you'll see it on there in

God's window of opportunity.

We have that window of opportunity when

we in a rational decision making level

and thing goes wrong. things go wrong in

our lives and we experience maybe a

traumatic event like in a car crash

family member pass away or um there is a

hijacking that takes place or illness in

the family or oh whatever you want to

call it there's something that happens

and then we we fall into this window of

opportunity God's window of opportunity

where we need to make a decision

of whether we're going to go and fall

into our emotional state.

>> Can you see on the board?

>> Yes, we can. Ok

so this is the emotional state. Now this

is a state that people are starting to

to get into a fight and flight mode. Now

this is all happening in the souls

dimension.

Now the minute that you are in emotional

state and that trigger happens you've

got two options.

You either can

when you're in this God's window of

opportunity

in this the first one is to say and ask

yourself the question am I responsible

or not and if you say I'm not

responsible for the situation then you

can go immediately back to your rational

state.

A lot of times we become emotional

beings

and the minute that you an emotional

being you you fall into your emotional

state. So you the fight is against it

and you or you flee into your emotional

state.

And this is where

bad things happen with us.

Now there's a lot of emotions that we

have but five of the and you can write

it down while we listen to this um

recording afterwards. There's a lot of

emotions that we have good and bad

emotions. But the five bad emotions that

we've got is sorrowful,

doubtful,

reactionary,

aggression

and depression.

I'll mention it again. It's sorrowful,

doubtful, reactionary, aggression

and depression. Those are the five main

negative emotions that we have. Now, we

can easily say now when we talk about

aggression and say, "But if we become

aggressive

and God has given us a emotion of

aggression then ultimately God is then

responsible for my aggression. which is

not true

because God says that do not let the sun

go down on your anger.

So in other words, if there's anything

that happens with you, that is in

Ephesians 4:30, if anything happens with

you during the day where you become

angry, you need to resolve that that

situation and that anger.

If you are then uh you don't resolve it

that can go into aggression and

aggression is what's going to cause you

then to sin. So now that sin becomes

your sin,

you made a decision to be aggressive, to

be angry and it's not God's fault. You

see, we've got we easily got that what

we call the Adam syndrome.

Adam when he was in the garden of Eden,

God created Eve

and then Adam stood up and he saw Eve

and he says, "She's the flesh of my

flesh, the bone of my bone."

And when they sined,

Adam turned around and he said to God,

"Is that woman you gave me?"

Can you see the Adam syndrome? He blamed

them. And even today, a lot of times, we

blame people. We blame situations, we

blame everyone else except ourselves for

the decisions that we are making.

Because you must remember, you and I

live in a continum of decision making.

Everything in our life is a continent.

You're either sick or you're healthy.

You either got money, money, you don't

have money. You either have got a work,

you don't have a work. You either have

got faith or you don't have faith.

Everything in life is a continuum.

So in and if we work in that continuum,

we must make decisions. Either we make a

decision to be to do good or to do bad.

So if you make a decision against God,

you are not standing um uh for God.

you're actually trying to protect

yourself in that situation.

Therefore, I say when when there's anger

in you, when there's when there's

aggression in you, whatever you do with

that anger and the aggression is

ultimately going to cause you then to

sin.

Ok. So in that emotional state that that

we are in it, it is easy for us that to

understand our sorrowful, doubtful

reaction depression and aggression uh is

with us. But depression is normally your

lowest state of that of that um

emotional state. Because you must

remember the minute that you are now in

that emotional state, it actually causes

you to your body to react differently.

Now instead of in the rational state

your body your brain uses only 25% of

the energy. Now all of a sudden when you

when you're in that emotional state your

body used between 75 and 85% of your

energy.

If you go get up in the morning and you

feel you've got a lot of energy, you had

a good night sleep and then uh you've

got a good night sleep, you uh you will

then um uh get up and feel I'm going to

do the garden and I'm going to do a lot

of things during the day.

But an hour in all of a sudden all this

emotional turmoil that is that is with

you actually takes so much energy from

you that you you cannot coke for the

rest of the day and for the rest of the

day you feel like I didn't have any

sleep I'm tired.

So you you must understand that you need

to make sure that you uh must refrain

from trying to be in this um emotional

state. And two weeks done we're going to

speak about the three levels of stress.

Then I'm going to show you what happens

when you're in that depressed state when

things go wrong for you. You see in this

emotional state it normally and you you

can verify now what I'm saying to you is

when you get a good emotion it lasts.

But when you've got a negative emotion

and you start to ponder on that negative

emotion which we will talk on that um in

next week's session as well. When you

start to ponder on that negative

emotion, you're going to see that

negative emotion is going to to take

hold of you and you're going to think

more and more and more because then it

becomes a toxic situation in your brain.

And I'm going to explain you next week

exactly um how that happens and how it

actually grows in that toxic memory

grows in your brain and what happens

with that when it actually is in your

brain. Okay. So we need to make sure

that we don't allow to ponder ourselves

to ponder on an emotional negative

situation because that is all about what

Satan wants us to do. He wants you

negative. He doesn't want you to be um

uh standing in in a in faith in the

Lord. He wants you to feel hopeless. He

wants you to feel that you are not worth

it, that your faith is uh is not what it

what it is. Because look at the next

person, their faith is is on a high

level and I don't have the same faith.

And you're going to start to measure you

up against people.

You don't have to measure yourself up

against people because God created you

equal to whoever else is sitting next to

you. And therefore you must actually

make sure that when you in in this

emotional state that your uh response is

that you don't withdraw from people

because you see the minute that you are

in in this situation you actually the

boundaries of of who you are you

actually push it out push it out so that

you don't allow people close to you.

You'll find it even in your home when

there's maybe an argument with the

husband or the wife or the children for

a short while you don't want them close

to you because you're pushing those

boundaries out and you don't want anyone

close to you. You don't want people near

you when you're in that situation

because the minute that you're in there,

you want to to avoid them. You can

silence is one of the main thing that

main things that happens in in a home.

this this engagement that you experience

when there's silence and when there's

things happening in the home that

shouldn't happen then youl find that

bridge is built in the home and that is

a bridge Satan wants um in a home. Now

let me quickly explain you the

following. I don't know if you can see

this side of the

>> We can see that side. We can't see below

emotional state.

>> You can't see. Ok. We we I'll drop it

down now, but on the left hand side, I'm

busy on the left hand side.

>> Yes, we can see that. Yes. All right.

You've got that this one. I think it's a

second slide.

I usually draw it this way.

This is God the Father, God the Son and

God the Holy Spirit. Ok. Now that's a

trinity of God. 1 John 5:7 says and this

is unfortunately a lot of people do not

recognize the function of the Holy

Spirit and that is very

because the Bible says that 1 John 5:7

there is three witness that's witnessing

the father in heaven Jesus the son and

the holy spirit and it ends off that

verse by saying and these three are one

you cannot

you must not think that it's only Jesus

or it's only the father and Jesus but

it's a holy spirit as well. We'll get to

all those verses on during this course

as well. Ok. So let me explain you now

what happens in the emotional state

when this is the husband,

this is the wife and that's the

children.

Ephesians

6: 12

can someone read that verse to me?

A fight is not against flesh and blood

but against the rulers. carry on there

for me. There's four things that that

they say it's against Can someone read

that verse for me? Ephesians 6:12.

For we do not wrestle against flesh and

blood, but against principalities,

against powers, against the rulers of

darkness of this age, against spiritual

host of wickedness in the heavenly

places.

Can I can I

just explain that verse quickly? I'm

coming back to this now. I'm

interrupting me myself a little bit

here.

Ephesians 6:12 and I'm reading from the

Amplified Bible and thank you very much

um sir that you've read that for me. It

says for our struggle in the amplified

is not against flesh and blood.

Now if your struggle is not against

flesh and blood then who is it against?

If you read that verse there's four

times that it says against so but

against the rulers against the powers

against the world forces of this present

darkness against the spiritual forces of

wickedness in the heavenlies. If we look

at at that verse

you must remember

just keep it open. You must remember

there are

if you if you ever get all of my book

you'll read about it when I about

spiritual warfare. There are seven

continents

and that seven continents

is ruled.

There is seven princes of hell.

So every prince of hell is ruling over

that. So if you look at that at that

verse,

so the princes are ruling over the

countries or over the continent and then

the powers

are ruling over the countries that is in

that continent.

And then you will find that the

spiritual forces

or the um the forces of darkness is

ruling over the the provinces

of that country.

And then you will find that country uh

the provinces has got cities or towns

and then you're going to find that the

forces of wickedness in the heavenlies

are ruling over those towns or cities.

That's how this verse works. And

therefore that when you start to pray

and you do spiritual warfare, it is

important to understand what is

happening in your country, what is

happening in your in your in your

province, what is happening in your city

and define ask the Lord to to show you

which of these forces are busy in in the

different places so that you can start

to do spiritual warfare against them in

the heavenlies, in your towns, in your

home, every place. Ok, does it make

sense?

Ok, so now if we go back to the home,

the problem is in in the home is that

if we look at Ephesians 6 verse 12, it

says, "Our fight is not against flesh

and blood. But if you in an emotional

state and there are problems in your

home

between the wife and the husband,

the husband,

I'm just using an example now. I'm not

picking on the husbands. I'm just using

examples. The husband might might feel

that

he's cross, he's angry, he's distancing

himself from his family. And then you

must remember the the Ephesians 6:12

says that our fight is against all the

spirits that's on the outside you.

But this is the protection God has given

that family.

But if the family

is in an emotional state, things are

going there's problems. There's maybe

family abuse, arguments and

disagreements and distressing and uh

being silent and all those things in the

family. Then you might find that their

husband

gets cross and now he says he's going to

go out with his friends for for the

evening.

Where does he find himself?

On the outside of the protection of

where God was protecting him and his

family.

Because Joshua 24 says, "For me and my

house, we will serve the Lord." And if

this man made the decision and say, "For

me and my house we will serve the Lord,

Satan is definitely going to try and

attack it because Satan is going is not

going to worry about someone that is in

the world too much. They already lost.

But for a person that is in the presence

of God, he's going to attack his faith.

So now there's an argument between the

husband and the wife. The husband goes

with his with his friends out for a

night out and the wife is very cross.

Look at what happened.

What who does Satan wants to get to in

this in this emotional state?

Remember, we busy with a soul's

dimension. We busy with the character of

man at the moment. Ok.

He wants to get hold of the children.

So what did the husband do? He opened

the door to get to the children. All of

a sudden, because the husband is not in

his place,

the children becomes rebellious.

They start to talk back. They don't do

their homework. Their clothes is the

whole house full. They don't listen to

no one. And you don't understand why all

of a sudden my children is is the way

they are.

Then the wife gets crossed with the

husband.

So the wife goes out

and she

attacks her husband on the outside.

What does a wife do? She opens another

door.

So these children are the ones that's

getting attacked because of what the

father and the mother did in the whole.

Now I'm getting back to my first

statement that I made right in the

beginning where I said

if one generation

tolerates a sin

the next generation will celebrate that

sin and the generation following them

will not even know it's a sin anymore.

Can you see way I'm getting it?

What is the purpose or part of the

purpose of a of the wife in the home?

They intercessors for the family.

The father is there to bring the

discipline

and the wife is there to to uh teach the

children a lot of things in values in as

well. But the the purpose of the wife is

to become the intercessor in the home or

to be the intercessor in the home. And

if the wife goes outside the will of God

and she fights for the husband, then

she's outside the will of God.

What God wants the wife to do when

there's an emotional state in that

household, that wife should go to God

the Father, God the Son, and God the

Holy Spirit. Say, "Lord,

my husband

as I say, I'm using an example.

He's not in the right place.

What he's doing is not according to the

will of God and the petition it before

God, lay it before God,

God the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit will lead you." Remember

one thing the Holy Spirit teaches us

everything. 1 John 14:16

it teaches us everything

according to the will of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ 1 John

14:16 says that he says he lives in us.

1 John 14:6 says that he's the way, the

life and the truth.

No one comes to the father except

through him. So what the Holy Spirit

does, he teaches you, brings you in the

presence of of Jesus Christ. And Jesus

Christ through the blood that he shed on

the cross for us brings us in the

presence of the Holy Father.

Now we stand in the presence of God

through a wife that is the intercessor

that doesn't allow an emotional state to

take charge of that home.

She goes to the father

and Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit and

she speaks to them and say, "Lord, my

husband is not in the right place." And

because of what he has done, there is at

this point spiritual warfare that needs

to be done. There is rebellion in my

home.

Things that is not according to the word

of God in my home. And that is because

of an emotional state that we in.

Therefore, we need to make sure

our protection is to protect that

children

that we don't need them to learn that it

not to know that it's a sin anymore.

They must have a spirit of discernment.

You must remember in our bodies you've

got immune system. I'm going to explain

on the third session about the immune

system. You you'll understand it clearly

when I when I do that. Um but we've got

immune system and I don't want to say

too much about that but we've got a

spiritual immune system in us and the

spirit of the spiritual immune system

that we have in our in our life is the

spirit of discernment. None of us cannot

can be in the presence of God without

that spirit and in the world without

that spirit of discernment. You need to

discern if something is wrong. If you

need to discern, if there's a different

spirit,

um, 2 Corinthians 11:14 says that Satan

will come as a as a as a as a uh

preacher of light,

as a angel of light. So, we must make

sure that that we are we don't allow

him. We must discern them for who they

are.

And therefore it's important that when

you stand in that uh your household is

an emotional state that someone goes to

the father and that is normally the wife

goes to the father and say Lord help us

protect us guide us lead us bring us

back into a situation of where we as a

family can pray together and stay

together and don't allow the enemy to

attack us any further that that our

spiritual immune system the spirit of

discernment operates in our life the way

it should and we can know when when

there's attack of the body. You know

what God does we put him as a

magnificent God. You know what God does

he takes this

and he protects that family again. Why?

Because the the prayer of a wife

of the wife in the home has beened by

God and it can be the other way around.

The husband as well can pray if

something goes wrong.

I'm just using examples now.

But this is the way we actually must

function in the home. We mustn't allow

disagreement. We mustn't allow silence

or um disengagement to take charge of

our home.

The minute that you do that, you're

going to find that that even in this

process you're going to start to shout

at each other. And how many times that

you that you hear people shing each

other? You know, I always say when when

you want to find out about someone's um

uh life, don't ask them. Ask their

neighbors.

The neighbors will tell you who lives

there.

So it's important that when we when we

in the presence of God that we honor God

in everyday life. Everything that we do

that our emotional state doesn't uh take

charge of our lives but that we can

honor God and speak to to the Lord with

in in the holiness because we know he's

the one that leads us. He's the one that

protects and guides us in every aspect

of our life. You see, because otherwise

you will find, and this you you hear as

well, is that when people start to shout

at each other, I'm always I always ask

this question, why do you shout?

And the reason for that is because you

are married. And we'll get back to this

one as well where the the Lord in the

beginning says and they will marry and

they will become one. I'll explain you

uh I think in the next session I'll

explain you what I mean by that what the

Bible means by that. But when they when

a husband and wife who is now one in

Christ

is in argument situation and there's a

emotional state involved then they

emotionally separate.

Now there's a bridge, there's a gap.

And because the hearts is not in sync

with each other, then because of that

gap, they need to sort of shout because

they believe the other person cannot

hear them.

That's why people shout

because they they feel they are not

heard.

And then also involved is uh the spirit

of Leviathan. You can read about him in

Jobe 41. I do a whole sermon on that.

And then you also um what is involved is

a spirit of envy and strife in that

argument. And I can tell you now the

spirit of Leviathan is not a spirit that

he comes in he start to starts to

destroy and he moves out. But the spirit

of envian strife when he moves in in

that home there is destruction in that

home. That is why it's important that

when you're in that emotional state get

out of that state as quick as possible.

What does the word of God tells in one

Jeremiah 17:9? He says the heart is

exceptionally wicked deceatful. Who can

know the depths of it?

We're going to come back to that to that

verse as well. But we need to understand

that when we in this state of mind,

we need to make sure that we get as

quick as possible on our knees and honor

God. Worship yourself out of that

position

because Satan is going to keep you there

and destroy you if you don't do anything

about it

because that is in your in your limbic

situation. I want to tell you now and

I'm once again I'm getting I'm running

ahead on a few things but in your

emotional state which is in your limbic

situ limbic that emotional the limbic

brain works between 80 and 100 times

faster than your rational brain and if

you do not if you are not aware of

what's happening in your emotional state

your emotional brain is going to hijack

your rationality

and you're going to be defenseless.

That is why you you hear a lot of people

say but the he's emotional. She's

emotional.

They emotional because the emotional

state 100 times 80 times faster hijack

their rationality. They cannot think

rational anymore.

And they fail

in their faith

in that home.

Ok.

Now let's quickly look and I hope I can

push it down a bit. Can you see there

this one now?

Let me do the next one.

>> Yes, we can.

for you

when you're in your emotional state and

remember I said to you the five main

negative emotions

Um I just want to get my Bible here. Um

I want to read you a scripture from

Deuteronomy um 30 ver 19.

I know all these scriptures by Africans

by heart but I need to

the Bible declares in Deuteronomy 30: 19

says I call heaven and earth as witness

against you today that I have set before

you life and death the blessings and the

curses. Therefore you shall choose life

in order that you may live you and your

descendants.

The Bible tells us, God tells us in the

word of God that we must choose life. He

has set before us and death.

He has given us an opportunity because

God says, "I call as witnesses today

against you heaven and earth.

And if I call witness heaven and earth

against you and you make the wrong

decisions,

we're going to fall into the trap of

Satan."

Now if you're in this emotional state

remember there is a fight and flight

here you've got the same situation

because that what I show you there that

is your lowest uh situation that you can

find yourself in in your emotional state

and that is your depression.

Remember I said two weeks from now we're

going to speak I'm going to do a whole

session on the on on what um the three

levels of stress and how you get into

that depression.

If you're in the emotional state once

again the same as you, you've got two

choices. Number one, you're going to

say, "Lord,

I've heard what was said tonight and I'm

not going to allow this emotional state

of mind to continue."

You remember there's a lot of lot of

negative hormones that we our brain sets

off in when we are in a situation in the

emotional situation. We also will speak

to about that maybe next week and the

week following we'll touch on that.

You've got the same two questions. I'm

not going to allow this emotional state

to carry on further. So I'm going to

search for someone to help me out of

this situation. I'm going to be on my

knees. What did what did Paul and Silas

do in uh

Acts 16? You can read it there. Paul and

Silus it's whole story it led how it was

led up to the fact that they were put

into jail. They were put into stocks and

uh the gods was all around them. And

Paul and Silus they had the fool

if if we call it today the right to say

Lord why this

they in the lowest part of that jail

they are in stocks. And all that Paul

and Silas want to do is to go down to

the stream and go and pray.

But because of one woman

that had a spirit of devination in her,

it's also called, if you do the

translation, it's a Python spirit in

her. And Paul Paul casted that demon out

of her. Caus Paul and Silas to go into

the stocks but they were also leshed. So

now they in stocks. They in the jail.

And Paul and Silus had maybe the same

maybe right to say but all that we

wanted to do is to pray and look at

where we are. But you know what? Paul

wasn't desponded.

Paul said, Silus says that we came to

worship ourselves out of this position.

They started to honor and worship God.

They gave glory to Jesus Christ. And

when they started doing that, the stocks

fell off, the jails open up and they

walked out there.

Can you see what happened? But what do

we do in our modern day life? We go and

sit and we salk about our situations.

We don't find ourselves in a position

when we're in emotional state and we

feeling terrible and all these negative

memories and thoughts are in my mind.

Then I rather believe the lie of Satan

instead of the truth of God that we will

sit in that situation and we fall deeper

and deeper and deeper into our emotional

state. Remember I said in that situation

between 75 or 85 uh 75% and 85% of the

energy that you have will be absorb you

and you're going to continually feel

tired in this emotional state you're

going to feel alone. You feel no one

cares about you. going to feel that it's

only me, myself, and I. You're going to

cry a lot. You're going to sometimes

feel that you're going to just pull the

blanket over your head and sleep for the

rest of the day.

You will feel that no one, not even God,

worries about you anymore.

You see, and this is a state that we

shouldn't be in. Now if you ask that

same two very same two questions, you

can say I am going to not allow this

situation and I'm going to speak to

someone to help me back in my rational

rational situation

or my rational state of mind.

Um or secondly

you're going to say I'm going to accept

what happ what happened to me and I'm

going to fall into my reactionary state.

Now let me tell you something.

You don't want to be yet.

You'll see that when people are

divorcing, when people are in

uh committing suicide and all these

things happen in that state. This is a

place where we must not be in. This is a

place that we must not allow the enemy

to bring us in

because this is where you'll commit

murder.

Whether this commitment you must

remember committing a murder is not

necessarily only physical murder. I'll

show you later on in the fourth session

how Satan actually uses your body to

commit that that type of sin. But to

commit a murder can also be in a

spiritual state.

Paul uh James warns us

about our tongue. We must be careful. In

Proverbs 18:21 it says life and death is

in the tongue and he uses it will bear

the fruit of it. So if you speak

negative, if you speak death into a

situation, you've got power in your

words.

Remember it says life and death is in a

tongue and he uses it will bear the

fruit of it.

So when a child is born, the parents are

going to raise that child.

But when your words are born, when you

give birth to your words into a

situation,

those words is going to travel forever

and ever. And you must make sure that

there's repentance over what youve said.

Go and speak to God, kneel before God.

Lay lie down before God. cry before the

Lord because that those words are never

turned on on your family and what you've

said. And therefore, it's important that

when you're in this emotional state that

you don't fall into the reactionary

state. The reactionary state says that

this is where the bad things of life is

going to happen. This is where you'll

find even here and you're going to find

that you you've got sleep deprivation.

You don't sleep well. Your body is

filled with a lot of different chemicals

in your body. And two of the main

chemicals there is adrenaline and

cortisol. We'll speak about that once

again later on. And when once you in

that state and you've got all this

adrenaline and cortisol in your body,

you're going to find yourself in trouble

because you'll go to bed tired. You'll

get up uh um tired in the morning

and more especially because if you don't

sleep well, you've got in the last

session we're going to deal with a with

a with the five um different um wave

legengs that we that our body operates

as well in that God has given us. So

when you in in that state and you and

you don't sleep well, one of your your

the sleep state is the delta wave

length. The delta wave length has got

five levels of sleep in.

And you'll see sometimes when you stand

and you look at someone's busy sleeping

that uh they in the rem sleep. What it's

rapid eye movement sleep. In other

words, the you can look at their the

eyelids and you can see their eyes

moving underneath their eyelids. And

once they are moving the that is then

they are busy sorting the previous day

everything that happened with them in

the previous day they sorting that out.

And if you wake someone up before that

rem sleep is finished

that person I can tell you now is going

to get out of bed and you'll tell him

rather get into the bed because you got

out of bed in the wrong foot.

is because those people they didn't file

during the night because remember your

your your rational brain is awake

when you get up in the morning when you

go to sleep but your unconscience your

subconscience brain does not sleep ever

awake always. It always works. And it's

more especially when you go to sleep

tonight. Your subconscience brain is

busy resolving. Um whatever happens

happen during the day. So if you get up

in the morning and something is not

right, just go back to the previous day

and resolve that problem because

Ecclesiastes 3: 22 and 23 says the

following um I'm paraphrasing says God

mercies are new every morning. So if you

get up in the morning and you feel that

things are not right just look at what

happened in the previous day. What went

wrong in your in your life, what you

need to resolve and go and resolve that

out because if you don't do that, you

might find yourself in this emotional

state from the from the moment you get

up in the morning and you can't even

fall into the reactionary state.

And this is unfortunately

the statistics shows it that

um divorce cases in the church

is exceeding the divorce cases in the

world.

And that's how bad it is. Is because

people are constantly in a reactionary

state. They don't know how to go to

someone. They don't know someone that

can really help them out of that

situation. That is why it's important.

We don't we must not be in the state.

Ok. We need to make sure that we get

help. We don't fall into the state. We

need to get someone that can help us.

But also I've always said that if you go

to someone make sure that his credential

her credentials are in such a situation

that you will find that they are someone

really can help you. Ok.

Where do we find also sometimes this I I

haven't sent you this one. I don't know

if you can see this. Let me just put it

there.

If you look at I'm just to put it down

here. You can you can do this on your

own.

One, two, three. Ja, you can put yes.

No.

And I'm going to do it hypothetically.

I'm not going to put anyone on the spot.

I'm just using five examples. Now let's

let's here use the first example. You

can you can put your life in

compartments. Whatever you want to put

in there,

you can put your work in there, your

finances,

>> your family,

your friends.

What else you have faith

when you went for your work interview

remember now you must be in a rational

state of mind

when you went for your work interview

and I'm doing this hypothetically

did you speak to the Lord

about that specific

that the Lord must give that word to

you. Now let's say yes you did. Then you

circle that yes.

Let's get to the finances. I always say

if you go to a restaurant and these days

if you get away with a with a a bill for

the evening for 300 rand you can say oh

that was a cheap evening.

But if you come to church and you open

your purse and the Lord tells you to put

that R 300 rand in the offer basket then

you see how much that R 300 R actually

becomes.

So let's say your finances.

Do you speak to the Lord about your

finances?

Let's say no. I make the decisions on my

finances, on my family. So I cannot

choose who I'm born into, but I can

choose who I marry into.

So when you chose your husband or your

wife,

did you speak to the Lord about your

husband and wife? Hypothetically, let's

say no. with childhood friends and we

grew up together and that is why we

married

your friends

that you speak to the Lord about your

friends

say let's say for argument sake now I

don't want to drag this out

but your faith I grew if you say I grew

up in a home where my parents has been

in the apostolic faith or whichever

church whichever

congregation

but I accepted the Lord personally in my

life. Didn't matter whether my father

and mother has been Christians all their

life. I had I accepted the law. So let's

say yes. This is hypothetically and I

want to prove you to you can work it out

yourself. Now if we look at this

out of 100%

if I look at what I've done here, only

40%

of my life I've given to the Lord. the

rest I made my decisions.

Is that the way our life should be?

Is that what God requires from us or

does God requires require 100% from us?

We cannot give less. Everything in our

life, everything must be devoted to the

Lord.

Whether it is in your work, finances,

family, friends, faith, you want to call

it out, you write it down and you make

sure that if it's not according to the

will of God that you change that no to

yes,

that's what we do. That is how the Lord

will actually bring us into a situation

where we can um become international

state. A state where we are honoring

God, where we are feeling um that

relationships with everyone which which

is God as well is in a state

that it should be. Amen.

Ok. I'm going to stop there for the

evening because there's much more that I

want to say.

But I'm going to stop there for the

evening and I'm going to ask you if you

uh have got any questions.

Good. Good evening dr. Bertie

and good class. I do have a question

please. You you were speaking about um a

good night rest and the emotion um that

is behind that um and what the effect is

afterwards if the if um if you don't get

the good night sleep. But say there's um

other um instant incidents um like for

instance health or so that keeps you out

of slep. How do you correct that then in

your emotional state?

>> Ja you see you see that is that is

something that you need to resolve. Um

because remember I said there are

sometimes a lot of different hormones in

our body. There is like you say there's

illnesses in our body that can create a

problem for you um which we need to

resolve. Remember I say

you must hear carefully what I'm saying

to you now. The doctors of today has

become the pastors of the church in a

great sense because we go to the doctor

too quickly.

Yet the Bible says for us in James 4 he

says

this sorry the Bible says that uh sorry

I just want to change this chair this

one is the seat is loose.

Thank you.

Now the Bible says that when you are

sick let the elders come. Let them

anoint you. Pray for you and even if you

had sin your sins will be forgiven. Ok.

That is what we need to do. But here

what I'm saying to you that the Lord has

given us doctors as well. Doctors are

there to help us as well.

So but your first one is to go to to the

elders in the church. Let them pray for

there are things that that is happening

in our life. There are things that that

carries over in hereditory and in

families because of maybe sleepless

nights. I don't know. I need to sit with

you and I need to speak to you and then

we can get uh to find out exactly if one

goes that way to find out exactly what

the reason is and then uh we can take it

from there because next week and the

week falling I'm going to explain a lot

of what has happening in the brain. Um

all the different hormones that we

secrete in our brain in our body the

week following especially now we secrete

the fear hormones in our body. um and so

on. So yeah, you'll find it very

interesting in that. Ja.

Ok. I know I haven't answered your

question fully,

>> but uh that's why I say it is depends on

on your medical condition. um that

sometimes you are deprived of sleep

because of a medical condition or

something that is wrong in your life.

Are there any more questions?

Yes, Lady Marion, you can go off mute

and ask your question.

Ok, there good evening. Um, doctor. I

just wan to ask also what if you did not

ask the Lord if this is your husband and

you have married him. I think lots of

people haven't.

So now you I mean are married and it can

be good or bad. I'm just asking what do

you do in that case?

>> You must remember one thing.

God gave us for each other. Sometimes we

made the decisions for ourselves and we

didn't ask the Lord. I mean, I'm just

using an example. My wife is sitting

next to me. You can't see it. Um, but

tomorrow we married 44 years. And the

fact is we grew up together.

And when we got married,

we both knew about Christianity, but we

weren't Christians the way we are now at

the moment.

But we grew further now of late in in

our life in faith. And but next week I'm

going to explain it in full is what it

means when the Lord says that you become

one. You the husband will leave his

father and the the wife will leave the

the her parents and she will submit

under the husband's authority.

And then what does that mean? The Lord

says theyve become one. Because

the Lord is so magnificent

in what he has done. That in that

process, I might just explain it right

now as well. In that process, God has

given us in our heart which we secrete a

chemical which is called oxytocin.

Uh you will see what I'm saying as well

is if if a baby is born into a family

and the father is absent at the birth

and doesn't hold that baby very soon

after birth, the that boy or girl grows

up without a proper relationship with

the father.

It's the same with the husband and wife.

If the husband and wife hold each other

for a while in the morning and they just

hold each other against their own

bodies, your heart secrets that chemical

oxytoosin. I call it in short it's out

bonding liquid

because then you bond then you become

that one. And eventually you become one

in the sense that you start to think

alike, you start to act alike.

So that helps. So even if you married,

if you use if you married someone many

years ago um and you didn't ask the

Lord, um the Lord can change that

because obviously with that oxyosin that

is that is secreted that the bonding

between you and your husband is

something that no one should be able to

break.

Ok.

Um can I can I ask another question on

um Lady Mary Hans's question? So if you

get married and just one of the um

either the wife or the husband gets

saved, how does that affect this ben?

God.

>> Ja. You see the Bible says that the

blessing you have covers your home. If

you if you a faithful Christian serving

the Lord says that your faith covers

your own.

See the unfortunate is the husband

through your faith and through

the way that you um

carry yourself through your marriage

through difficult situations,

problematic situations, that is where

the husband then will start to see how

this faith in you is changing in

and that is Why your faith in this case

can cover the the hope

and all that you need to do is always

spiritual warfare. That's very

important.

Ok.

Does it answer your question?

>> Yes. Thank you very much.

Any other questions?

No more questions.

Wonderful. Dr. Bart, thank you. I think

this was a very good start. I think you

have gauged our attention and we look

forward to hearing more next week. Um as

we close off this evening, I would like

to ask Sir Mario, can you please end off

for us in prayer? Thank you.

>> Thank you, Lord for this wonderful

opportunity. Thank you, Lord, for Lord,

I just I just experience how how there's

deep revelation on its way about the

soul, body, and spirit. And Lord, I pray

that you will take this topic even

deeper, Lord. perhaps even deeper than

Dr. um Dr. his plan for Lord that you

will reveal deep and mysterious things

about this that you will enlighten our

hearts and our minds Lord and that you

will open us up to to your ways Lord

that you will show us how how this works

in your kingdom and how we can apply it

here on earth Lord to walk deeper and

higher in your ways Lord I cover this

entire class with the blood of Jesus

Christ of Nazareth I declare a blessing

over every single student that is here

and every every student that will watch

this YouTube later lord we seal this all

for the blood of Jesus we bind exus

vexus incantations and all backlash and

i declare a blessing overt

for releasing this word over us in Jesus

name. Amen.

>> Amen.

>> Amen. Thank you very much Sarah Mario.

Thank you Dr. Bart. We will see you then

next week again and have a lovely

evening everybody. Bye bye. Ok. Bye bye.

Keep well.

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