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This morning we did some recessionary
analysis and TS Lombard who's been a
bull is still a bull on soft landing but
they're seeing some cracks and they give
you an outline of what to pay attention
to. It's worth noting that so far I've
been studying the earnings calls of a
lot of different companies and while the
International Monetary Fund doesn't see
a recession on the horizon although they
do suggest slower growth and even
companies like Paychecks don't see
indicators of a recession at the moment.
It's worth noting that a lot of these
businesses refuse to tell you in advance
if they think a recession is coming.
Because usually if one company is like,
"Yeah, we think a recession is coming."
People think that company just sucks and
then they sell the stock. If people
don't think a recession is coming and
they're like, "Ah, there's a recession
coming." People might be more likely to
buy those publicly listed stocks. So, I
think there's some, you know, reading in
between the lines you have to do with a
lot of these companies. and you're
finding the general theme now is slowing
and uncertainty. Now, we're going to see
some things to look for from TS Lombard
regarding the brittleleness of the
economy, but it's also worth noting this
morning, Bloomberg Intelligence
suggested that Q4 was peak for global
earnings growth as now tariffs have
increased volatility, sky-high AI
earnings growth is slowing, and higher
rates start to bite. Now, obviously, we
could get a lot of enthusiasm that
rapidly comes into the economy if Donald
Trump ends up striking tariff deals,
which we'll separately talk about some
tariff deals that I think could be uh on
the horizon. But first, let's talk about
TS Lombard and some of their data, which
is quite interesting. as well as
considering that while JP Morgan is
seeing some deceleration in spending
growth from consumers, they on their
card platforms are still seeing growth
of around 2.6%. With Gen Z and
millennials really driving most of that
growth, Gen X and Boomers really
accounting for almost flat growth to
slight growth. JP Morgan, it's worth
remembering, is a much harder credit
card to get access to, or any of their
cards are a lot harder to get. They're
not gonna really appeal to lower credit
scores, lower income individuals.
They're a little bit more of like a
bougie bank, if you will. So, it's worth
noting they're not the the uh I think
best cross-section of America. They're a
little bit more of the bougie
cross-section of America. That's my
take. Uh and yeah, we bank with JPM.
Sorry. But anyway, uh let's go into just
worth knowing that because I remember
being 18 and applying for credit and
it's impossible to get credit from JPM
and it took years to get in. You'd have
to go to, you know, Wells first or city
discover, you know, those are usually
your your found. So, everybody goes
through it. Uh but um that's a note from
uh JP Morgan. And now let's take a peek
at this TS Lombard piece on the
brittleleness of the economy because
they're going to give us some more
insights into this slowing as well uh in
their opinion on this slowing. So let's
take a peek of this. Uh so Trump 2.0 is
proving a lot less reflationary than the
consensus assumed with the threat of
tariffs and Doge spending cuts
undermining confidence. We think the US
economy can withstand these shocks. A
soft patch is likelier than recession.
But budget consolidation is risky
without a monetary offset. So it'll be
important to monitor the labor market.
So we need to explain this uh and and
there's a lot of detail in this. So
we're going to go through this and see
this here specifically. So what do we
have here? Uh while we would not
describe the latest US data as
recessionary, they see a growing sense
of anxiety about where things are going
and they think the most important place
to watch is the labor market. I just
want to remind everybody the problem
with the labor market is it's very very
slow to it give you any kind of leading
indicator. Uh in fact it's more likely
to provide you lagging indicators than
any kind of leading indicators which is
quite unal. Uh I'm trying to find where
this comet is. Uh that's okay. We'll
find that later. So we'll go through
this line by line here. Oh it's stupid
Apple. That's why zooming in my pages
like this. Okay there we go. Today, the
sense of optimism that we got from Trump
has disappeared. And there's this
question uh about, hey, are we just
unwinding the animal spirits of what
Trump brought us with the election or
are we going to see more of this where
this is more than just a reversal and is
there potentially more damage coming to
the economy? And their point of view is
nobody expected Donald Trump to inflict
pain on the economy. In fact, they go as
far as saying that they thought, as well
as a lot of people, that Donald Trump
would be arbitrated by the stock market.
Now, think about that phrase for a
moment. It's a really interesting
phrase. An arbiter is is a a form of a
judge, right? Uh but it could also be
somebody who who sort of dictates
proceedings and how things are to go,
right? So, imagine this arbiter over
Donald Trump. No, Trump, don't. Here,
hold on. We need a we need a
prop. No, Trump, don't do that. the S&P
500's going to go down. Okay, that's
what people thought was going to happen.
The reality of what we've been getting
is, "Hey, Trump, did you see the stock
market is down 2%." Huh? What? Oh. Oh.
To today or or in general? No, it's down
2%
today. It'll sort itself
out. That That is not the Trump that
that by the way is exactly what happened
yesterday. That's not the Trump markets
expected. And TS Lombard is is basically
saying this is an adjustment for
markets. We don't have somebody who's
bound by what the stock market is doing.
And this idea that uh we have a
essentially a government that's willing
to inflict pain or detoxify the economy
is a risk. And so they provide three
recession risks even though they are not
forecasting a recession. They say first
we don't have a monetary offset. This
basically means we don't have JPAL
printing. Okay, easy enough. Uh, number
two, they think the combo of Doge and
tariffs is dangerous because Doge
creates negative fiscal spending to the
extent that it's successful and tariffs
encourage the Fed to hold because of the
refl the inflationary
risks. In addition to that, while the
broader private sector is really
healthy, including larger businesses
that are doing very, very well, small to
medium businesses have really big risks.
And the risk is increasing. It's worth
remembering that about half of
employment in America is small business
employment. That's a really big deal.
So now they argue that three months
after the election, it's really hard for
investors to start dismissing the bad,
especially since tariff deport tariff
deportations in Doge are happening now,
whereas tax cuts and deregulation won't
happen until 2026 or beyond. How funny.
Who if only there would have been a
YouTuber that told us, "Be careful. The
good that Trump is bringing you isn't
going to hit until 2026 or later. And
the bad is gonna hit up front. And you
should be really careful of
Q1. Oh, that's what we did. It's okay.
Sometimes you got to pat yourself on the
back a little bit, but we don't want to
get cocky here. Nobody's perfect and we
we don't we don't want to crash. Uh I
know some people do because they think
it's going to it's going to be good. I
let me put it this way. No economic
recession is good. Everything sucks. Uh
it doesn't matter. So anyway, uh okay.
So what else do they say here? Optimism
giving way to genuine genuine investor
alarm. If so, why? So basically they're
arguing here that author
authorities within the Trump
administration when it comes to tariffs
are basically going beyond this, hey,
we're going to use them as a negotiation
tool.
tariffs. There's actually this, they
call it an ideological belief that the
Trump administration is going to go
allin on rebalancing global trade. Uh
and and that the ideology is the world
must pay for America's taxes. uh and
that this this is not just a short-term
pain or detox because you know after the
Biden admin but rather this is some
long-term transition that's just not
going to happen overnight. TS Lombard
sees that as a longerterm risk because
they say here short-term pain is a real
possibility and the promised long-term
gains are speculative and based on
specific political ideology. Now, this
is really interesting because it it's a
way of essentially saying, "Hey, like
you know, if you're MAGA and you're all
in on Trump, like, ah, it'll be fine.
It'll be fine." Great. But it usually
isn't because when things in the short
term start compounding in a bad way for
longer, you end up quote feeding on
themselves. Like these issues feed on
themselves and can even leave long-term
financial scars. Does and they they
write this. Does anyone seriously
believe, for example, that an economic
downturn would lead to an improvement in
public finances? Uh, spoiler alert, no.
They're going to print print money in
the and we'll be in more debt than we
ever have been in before until the
entire financial, you know, monetary
system collapses and the economic ponzi
is over. Now, I don't think that is
imminent. I think it'll be in a few
hundred years. It'll happen eventually,
but I don't think that is imminent.
That's just my opinion, though. Uh, but
I also don't like holding cash. You know
what I really prefer over cash? And
we're going to keep going with this
recessionary article here. Although
they're more of a soft landing argument,
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ads over. How was that? I think it was
good. Now, let's go uh
to this piece again. Cool. The reality
is that once a recession starts, nobody
knows just how bad the situation is
going to be or how long the downturn
will last. And once US unemployment
starts to rise, it usually rises a lot
further. There is no doubt recent US
economic data has been soft,
particularly compared with bullish
expectations. The macro surprise index
plunged at the start of the year. Retail
spending has been subdued and confidence
has clearly deteriorated.
It seems that uncertainty is encouraging
businesses to postpone hiring and
investment decisions while talk of
economic pain is never good for consumer
sentiment. You know, I heard this is
just an anecdote, but I heard somebody
was applying for a job and I was hoping
they'd get it uh at a at uh like a
certain mag 7 company and apparently for
that job there were 1,500 job applicants
for the same damn job. I'm like, "Oh,
no. This is this is a
fundamentally bad thing." Especially
when when people that I actually, you
know, think are quite smart, uh, you
know, high IQ, high high effort, high
energy individuals who deserve the job
can't get it because of macro. That's
what pisses me off because, you know,
now like that's why I say you shouldn't
cheer for a recession because you can be
the smartest person in the world, you
could have the best skills or talents in
the world, but the data just gives you a
middle finger and then it's like, bro,
this is some bull, you know? Uh now that
said, so far we've been doing okay. I
mean if you look over here as they say
the labor market has been stabilizing uh
back to 2019 levels when we thought
payrolls were slowing down. Over here we
bounced both times we've had a slowdown.
So maybe this is all part of just you
know an adjustment phase or the
normalization phase. I don't think so.
But that's what a lot of people think
and that's okay. May maybe maybe that it
will be like that. I hope so. That would
be Goldilocks, right? Here's your
challenger job cut layoffs chart. Uh and
here's their thesis on Doge. So, their
thesis is Doge will fail. Now, they make
the argument that Doge will probably uh
not cut anywhere near as much as they're
capable of cutting uh because their wall
of receipts has been mostly fugazi. But
let's say they're even remotely
successful. Losing 300,000 workers at
the federal government would equate to
an extra 20 basis points of the
unemployment rate, which in a healthy
economy the private sector should be
able to absorb. But the job losses will
be larger if we take into account the
shadow government employees contractors
or those who depend on government
contracts and subsidi subsidies. Since
there are two shadow workers for every
federal employee, that could bring the
total job losses to over 800,000 or an
extra 50 basis points of unemployment.
And that's where things start to get
interesting because why, as they say,
well, it triggers the SOM rule again.
You remember that like false indicator
that we got uh in August and then we
revised away the SOM rule? Well, usually
when we actually break the SOM rule and
we're not just revising it away, thanks
Biden, we add 50 basis points to the
unemployment rate over the last 12
months uh low, uh, you know, three-month
moving average low. Then what happens?
Well, once that joblessness increases
that much, it usually keeps rising by
likely another 1.5 points, percentage
points or more. We also know that the
jobs market is currently in a fragile
equilibrium. I agree with that. both
layoffs and hiring at very low levels,
which means that former federal
employees might find it hard to secure
new roles. And it won't take much of an
increase in layoffs to unsettle the
current equilibrium. This is the thing.
This is why Jerome Powell, you know,
people people listen to JPL and they're
like, "Oh, he sounded doubish." And I'm
like, "Did you pay attention? He
literally told you to your face that
layoffs are the last line of defense. We
are literally at war with the
economy and the last line we have in our
tower defense of the economy is a low
layoff rate. The second that low layoff
rate breaks, it's like a levy. And that
unemployment rate skyrockets fast
because then it becomes normal for
businesses to announce
layoffs. Half, roughly half, it's like
45%.
uh our labor market is built by small
businesses. Small businesses are getting
hosed right now. Small to medium are
screwed. It sucks. You know, does Apple
give a flying hoot or Birkshire
Hathaway? No. More money than God that
they're sitting on. Fine. It's because
God doesn't believe in paper currency.
In fact, he told me that he believes in
house hack and investing in diversifying
to house hack.
Househack.com sponsored by God. All
right, where were we? So, here we have a
government decision to trim the size of
the workforce. Uh oh, yeah. So what
they're saying is normal recessions have
their root in some form of fundamental
or or like underlying macro financial
imbalance and then that's where things
become unstable and then there's a
painful adjustment phase that gets
triggered here. This adjustment they say
is sort of more like
self-imposed. It's basically a, you
know, Trump move that hopefully does not
turn into a spiral because if this is
enough of a tipping point to trigger a
broader private sector retracement or
retrenchment with jobs, you have to you
have to be careful basically. So in
other
words, let me rephrase this. If job
losses are bad, job law and the private
sector picks up those jobs or even city
or local governments do or state
governments do, not that bad. No
spiral. But if the government layoffs
spill over into private layoffs,
especially in that small and medium
sector, you're screwed. Just bad. Now,
obviously, uh tariffs are already
impacting and slowing down spending. Uh
you know, best case scenario is
companies just pay the tariffs and we
move on. Uh what else do we have here? I
really hate that this is not a
progressive scroll. There we go. Oh,
thank goodness. Oh, that's so much
better. Apple, who would ever scroll by
page? If you're a page
scroller, leave a comment so I can make
fun of you. We need continuous scroll.
Anyway, all right. So, where were we?
All right, here we go. Consumer
confidence minus uh minus fewer job
opportunities. If this breaks lower, it
could signal recession. Okay, not a good
chart. Got it. uh it would be a stretch
to say the econ the economy is already
turning to recession or that such a
downturn is inevitable. Right? So in
other words, it's not a foregone
conclusion that we're definitely
screwed. It's just starting to smell
like we're
screwed. I kind of agree with that. Like
if I thought we were definitely screwed,
I'd be a one on the Bearbull scale. I'm
like a 29. You know, I have I have some
hope left. They're like, "Ah, you know,
maybe Trump will make a deal with the
Canadian prime minister or, you know,
Claudia Shinebomb of uh Mexico, you
know, whatever. We'll talk about that
soon." Uh, but anyway, uh, let's take a
look here. Uh, again, with this back of
the envelope calculation, we're not
taking a recession sized hit to the
economy with potential Doge related
layoffs. Muck around and find out. Okay,
that's like a reference to Musk. hidden
vulnerabilities. US and corporate
financials, US households and corporate
financials show a surplus. And it's rare
to see uh this, you know, going into a
recession where everybody's got good
cash
flows. Uh but the trickier question is
are we hiding vulnerabilities? And the
vulnerabilities to pay attention to the
most are here outside of superstar
companies which may be fault flattering
the aggregate data. Many small tomedium
enterprises are struggling. If Trump's
policies prevent the Fed from cutting
interest rates, those companies will
face an additional monetary squeeze over
the next 12 months with debt servicing
ratios set to rise. Poopy dupy. So,
what's the bottom line? Well, TS Lombard
says a soft patch seems much likelier
than a recession. Well, just keep in
mind, this is me adding my own little
salt. salty
Kevin. They were really bullish a couple
months
ago. Sorry. I I actually do respect the
TS Lombard folks. Uh and and I I think
this is, you know, this isn't like a
Maya Kulpa, but this is this is a
reasonable response to the data. So,
Dario Perkins, you perked me up with
this one. I think you're aligning. I
think this is a very fair take and I
think it is entirely fair to be more
bullish on soft landing. Now, maybe if
he had a bare bull scale, he'd be at
like 69. Okay, 69 and I'll be at 29. All
right, fine. Everybody can have their
own opinion, right? This is not like a
an on or off light switch where it's
it's yes, recession 100%, no recession
100%. It's uh it's it's, you know,
degrees of certainty and we'll see how
things evolve. But my concern is that
their monitor, what they want to pay
attention to, the labor market is just
going to lag. And by the time the
unemployment rate goes poopy dupy, which
you know could happen within the next
six months, it's too late. Stock
market's already gonna be mega freaking
pissed. Uh so we'll see. I I actually
think that's one of the reasons we keep
seeing these fades in the stock market,
mind you, because I think people are are
realizing that there is actual weakness
coming. that this is not this isn't like
some clickbait over oh my gosh it's
definitely going into recession
tomorrow you know this is all about odds
and being prepared and then keeping an
eye open with perspective so that way
you in your life can look around and go
okay you know like how do I actually
feel about my debt situation or my cash
flow situation am I diversified enough
for this whole point is just to give you
a little bit of a heads up so you can
kind of start thinking to yourself hmm H
all right you know yeah these these are
issues and some of the you know staunch
bulls are turning a little bit more
bearish now my favorite time to invest
is when all of them are mega bears you
know when when all of the institutional
analysts are like this is the worst ever
it's never going to get better great
time to invest mostly I think that's
true because I remember back in 2022
when I launched um you know my my my
fund uh I'm like dude we're launching
this at the bottom of the market. This
is great. Everybody's so bearish. People
are like why are you getting into that?
Uh and it's funny because I purposely in
part closed it in February because I'm
like I think we're about to fall off a
cliff. So I handed people basically a
giant egg of cash that had grown in
value you know 24 25% or whatever it was
since December of 2022 which is pretty
good you know for for the two and a half
years or whatever it was up. That's we
that's including the hedging that we had
to protect against the downturn. That's
sort of like, hey, I think things are
about to fall off a cliff. Here's an egg
of cash. Good luck. You know, we grew
it. Uh I I mean, I think that's uh
that's quite interesting uh in terms of
macro timing and it gives you it gives
you a view of where my head is, but
maybe I'm too negative. I I hope I am.
Uh, and you know, so so you know, maybe
it'll turn out that being a 29 on the
bear scale was was just too bearish and
I should have been around a five or
maybe I should have been with Daario at,
you know, uh, whatever 6ix9ine or what
whatever he's at. Everybody should have
a bull. We should all have t-shirts that
are mandated. We walk around wearing
those t-shirts and they tell everyone
what like what level bull bear you are.
So when Peter Schiff walks in and his is
at zero, you know, cuz he's that
bearish. Well, well then we know the
sort of the disposition and then we can
listen to
why. Uh so uh anyway, congratulations by
the way. House hack yesterday. The house
hack investments exploded. I'm looking
at it right now. I'm like, man, we
didn't think we'd break those numbers
this quickly. So pretty impressive.
Again, I think this is what we're seeing
is we're seeing a fading of risks in the
stock market and people are diversifying
to other opportunities. Uh anyway, all
right, good. That's that. Why not
advertise these things that you told us
here? I feel like nobody else knows
about this. We'll we'll try a little
advertising and see how it goes.
Congratulations, man. You have done so
much. People love you. People look up to
you. Kevin Praath there, financial
analyst and YouTuber. Meet Kevin. Always
great to get your take.
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