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Robinhood Financials EXPOSED!!! HOLY CRAP [Robinhood IPO]

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hey everyone me kevin here okay i

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we just got done with the valuetainment

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podcast and i was going to go change the

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pricing for the courses with that 40

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percent of google code

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that's expiring yesterday i was gonna

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change the pricing and now the robinhood

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ipo comes out and i'm like oh my gosh

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i gotta get back somewhere i can record

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so we're in the valuetainment studio

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they're kind enough to let me film in

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here and we gotta go through some first

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impressions on these numbers

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oh oh my gosh oh my gosh like wow the

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robin hood numbers are out

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let's do first impressions on the robin

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hood numbers so i'm gonna have to just

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speak some of these numbers here because

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i can't get them up on screen so the

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first thing that struck me like

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right away i'm like oh my gosh net loss

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for robin hood in the first quarter was

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1.433

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billion dollars actually one point four

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four billion dollars like what happened

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what happened that's absolutely horrible

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for robin hood

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what happened we got to digest this and

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so i kept going through the report

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and here's what i'm taking away here's

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what i'm learning here's what i've got

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highlighted

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transaction based revenue folks they're

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making 420 million dollars

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or made 420 million dollars in just the

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first quarter that's

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almost double the last three months of

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last year

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their transaction revenue skyrocketed

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this fourth quarter now we don't expect

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that to continue

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we do expect there to be some sort of

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slowdown in momentum trading and volume

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that's going to mean less revenues as

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well but we're gonna get into the weeds

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in terms of

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where they're making their money how

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involved is citadel we've got lots to

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talk about here

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uh net interest revenue so imagine this

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would be on stock lending probably and

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also on margin

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62 million so really a fraction i mean

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that's like 13 14

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of their transaction based revenue other

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revenues i imagine this is uh this is

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these are things like robin hood gold i

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haven't read through the whole s1 yet

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i'm probably

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i mean i've spent about 30 minutes on it

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right now and we're doing this video to

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talk about some initial first

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impressions here so a lot of weeds to go

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through here

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but we've got 39 million dollars there

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uh so that's less than 10

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of the transaction revenue going to this

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their expenses

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in the first quarter absolutely exploded

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in terms of marketing their marketing

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expense

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literally 3xed their marketing expenses

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in the quarter went from 33 million

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to 102 million dollars now that's

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probably because

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they started paying they started doing

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affiliate partnerships with a lot of

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creators right before the massive

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gamestop crisis

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and that was one of the reasons they

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ended up with net more users

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during the gamestop crisis which ended

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up being perfect for them because they

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were able to tell everyone in the media

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hey look

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we ended up getting more users despite

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the gamestop crisis yeah but that's

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because between january 22nd and

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february 1st

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you were doing a sign up and get four

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free stocks with this creator link and

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then paying affiliate commissions

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much more than you had ever done before

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with the sign up and get a free stock

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thing or whatever with robinhood

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the new affiliate structure is huge and

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it cost them a pretty freaking penny in

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that first quarter

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102 million dollars that's a lot because

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they doubled their transaction growth

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uh which i mean hopefully that marketing

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revenue long tails right i don't think

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they're spending that kind of money

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anymore i think they realize they

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overspent so this is probably a little

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bit more of a one-time thing

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just because they haven't really talked

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about bringing the affiliate thing back

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doing the

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like the crypto things the smaller

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commissions and things but i think they

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realized they overspent on

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creator affiliate commissions it was

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insane technology development they spent

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116 million dollars that's up from 81

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million uh 900

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000 in the last quarter and up from 44

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million i'm sorry 55 million in the

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quarter before

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ending september 30th 2020. so they're

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spending a lot more on technology

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spending more on operations about 50

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more in operations 50

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more on technology uh only about 30

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more on the actual brokerage and

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transaction side but

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uh the big expense actually comes from

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and this is this helps us understand

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this a little bit

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change in value in convertible notes and

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warrant liabilities

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now that's going to take a lot more

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weeding through to go through but there

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were some recent sec rule changes where

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you have to

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recognize warrants now and this was a

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big issue with spax

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you have to recognize warrants as an

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expense

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even though like you're getting cash

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from selling warrants

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you have to recognize it as an expense

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the same thing's happening at sofi

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you look at their general and admin it's

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like way through the roof

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and in the weeds of their s1 is that 83

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or 87 million dollars of that is because

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of warrants well you've got the same

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kind of warrant crisis going on here

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except it's for 1.49 billion

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dollars literally if you walked back the

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1.49

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billion dollars this company would

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be profitable it's insane to say but

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this company would be at around

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50 to 60 million dollars in profit i'm

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doing rough rough numbers right now

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because

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again i can't share the screen there's

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limited i could do here i

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i can only do this on one take as well

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so you're getting me pretty raw here

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so right now they recognized a six

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dollar and twenty cent loss

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per share in the first quarter but again

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most of that worn liabilities they'd be

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profitable

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if it weren't for these warrant

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liabilities in fact if they were

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somewhere around

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60 million dollars of revenue in the

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first quarter without these warrant

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liabilities

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you would take that 60 million divided

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by 230 million diluted shares

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puts you somewhere around 26 cents

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in quarterly revenue that's about a buck

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you'd be at about a dollar

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in annualized eps if you could

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extrapolate out because their marketing

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expenses are going to go down their

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transaction revenues are going to go

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down a bit

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they're probably at an annualized 2021

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one dollar eps when you take out

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the warrant liabilities that's actually

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really good because i

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expect robinhood to probably sell for

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ipo somewhere between evaluation private

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market revaluation right now is like 60

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65 70 per share i wouldn't be surprised

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if they're somewhere closer to

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uh an 80 90 per share which would put

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them very high

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on 2021 valuation be like 80 90 times

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but if you extrapolate it out to 2022

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3 4 you know future pe would actually be

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lower they're they're making a decent

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amount of revenue a very decent amount

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of revenue it's not bad at all right now

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we've got uh robin hood uh primary

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sources of liquidity

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looks like a lot of they raised a lot of

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warrants and and notes during the uh gme

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crisis

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uh that they're gonna have to go through

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the weeds on this i want to

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explore now uh here we go this is

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interesting okay so this here

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says how they're making most of their

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money folks this is mind-blowing okay

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ready

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for this options 197

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million dollars in the first quarter of

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2021 that's about that's

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almost half of their revenue was coming

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from options trading

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and finra just smacked them upside the

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head because of misleading statements

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regarding options

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now i did a whole breakdown video on

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finra and these options

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but oh i cannot believe i mean you this

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is probably about 45 percent is going

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anyways from options

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only 133 million out of 420 i have 420

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uh it actually is 420 million total

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transaction based revenue is 420 million

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it's perfect but anyway equities is only

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130.

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so that's uh that's less than half right

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i mean you're somewhere in like 30

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or something like that uh almost half

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options maybe somewhere around 30

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for equities crypto currencies even

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this is okay this literally

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robin hood hands down any experiment

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i've ever done has the best

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cryptocurrency pricing you're not paying

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the coinbase pro five dollars

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you're not paying the spreads that

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you're paying at other cryptocurrency

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apps and i know people hate

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hearing that because well hey if it's

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not you're you know if you don't have

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control of your coin it's not your coin

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you know you don't have your key it's

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not your coin

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i get that you they don't have the

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crypto wallets i totally totally get it

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folks i don't know how they do it but

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they've got the cheapest pricing

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and they still made 87.5 million dollars

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off cryptocurrencies

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i mean that's like 18 to 20 but still oh

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my gosh

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on interest lending margin interest 27

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million

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securities lending see what did i say

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share lending 35 million

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interest on segregated cash uh so cash

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people having their their

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cash accounts a million bucks i mean

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that's that's nothing uh total net

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revenues 522 million dollars

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total operating expenses uh coming in at

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463 million

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mind you these operating expenses have

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exploded

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uh looking at some of their opex here

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general and administration

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and these are uh let's see these are i

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want to go back to the first page here

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so

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marketing operations these are comparing

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quarters to quarters

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yeah i mean you've had actually an

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explosion in some of these expenses we

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talked about brokerage

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going from first quarter expenses 30

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million

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to uh to 41 million let me see how they

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loop it over on this particular page

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here because it's a little different

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here we have first three months of march

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oh

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okay okay okay now they're comparing the

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first three months of 2021

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not to the last three months of 2020 but

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to the first three months of 2020. so

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this gives you a year over year overview

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they are spending double on brokerage

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and transaction from 20 million to 41

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million they're spending

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uh over three and a half x on technology

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and development

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from 33 million to 116 million

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operations grew from 21 mil to 66 mil

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that's a triple

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you've got marketing that went up 46

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year-over-year so maybe they do like a

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beginning of the year blitz

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something else i'm going to take a peek

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at general and admin

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went up almost 4x 34 million

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to actually that's about yeah that's

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about 4x uh 34 million to 137

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million uh for net total expenses of 463

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million again

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if you got rid of those warrant

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liabilities this would be a very

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profitable company

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at about an annualized dollar

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earnings per share for 2021

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uh that's that's very very very good

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now i'm just going to verify these

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numbers here because you've got if you

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take

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uh 522 minus 463 that's about

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60. we've got 60 in 1060 million dollars

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we've got 200 well and then multiply by

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4 so 6 times 4 is 24.

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yeah and you've got 230 million shares

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outstanding so there'll be 240 mil

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in in a net 60 times four 240 mil in

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that

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they've got a diluted share count of 230

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mil it's about a dollar eps annualized

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per uh uh i mean in in valuation

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well not in valuation and what they're

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earning a dollar per share without those

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warrant liabilities

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now those war liabilities are gonna

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throw a lot of people for a while i

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think

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uh people are probably gonna go oh my

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gosh robin hood went from profitable in

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the

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in in the last quarter of 2020 to losing

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massive amounts of money the first

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quarter

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i think there's gonna be a lot of

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clickbait i don't think people are gonna

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get into the weeds on the warrants

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i've got a lot more reading to do but

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this is my first impression this is

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really really interesting let's talk

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about valuation though okay

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so wise if they are

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uh if they're trading at uh uh you know

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ten dollars a share

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that would put them at a uh

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2.3 billion dollar company because we've

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got

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230 million shares times 10 a share puts

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them at 2.3 billion they're not gonna

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sell for that

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uh let's say they sold for a hundred

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times or a hundred dollars

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per share that would put them somewhere

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around a valuation

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of 23 billion dollars

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so fast clocking in at 16 bill so far is

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not

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probably going to be profitable until

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2022 2023 minus these warrant

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liabilities

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this company's printing cash folks it's

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printing money i don't know how they're

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printing so much money on the

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cryptocurrencies i want to get to the

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bottom of that

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i want to get to the bottom of how

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they're printing so much money on these

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equity transactions and

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options holy smokes uh market makers

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here on citadel folks

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27 of their business is going to citadel

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7 27 then you've got uh 12 percent going

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to

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uh suscu hana international group

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taimoshan limited 11

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entities affiliated with wolverine

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holdings nine percent other less than 20

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less than 10 each totaling at 22

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uh and and then you've got some other

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things as well so uh but citadel

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at uh almost a third uh you should

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really say just over a fourth

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of uh of of their market making revenues

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so

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uh very very very very very interesting

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s1 i cannot wait to read the rest of

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this i'll bring you more updates thank

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you so much for watching this if you

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like this kind of content realize

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i just got this document not that long

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ago this is the first impression here we

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just one took this thank you so much for

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watching this

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really appreciate you and folks we'll

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see you in the next one with more

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details bye

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