The Recession is ABOUT to HIT | George Gammon.
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George gamon thinks we are within months
of a recession striking his reason for
this has to do with the plummeting of
the 2-year treasury yield yesterday I
had the privilege of speaking at one of
his events in Dallas Texas not only did
I have the honor of speaking at the
event but I also had the honor of
interviewing him going on His Rebel
capitalist show and interviewing James
Hartman Ken melroy boy we've got some
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which you'll hear a lot about and fully
explained in the interview that'll drop
between myself and him has to do with
the two-year treasury dropping and what
that is telling us when it drops 25
basis points suddenly out of very little
news when the tenure isn't dropping that
fast is that a sign that the recession
is potentially months away well in this
video I'm going to point out two
segments from the interview that we did
on his show because there are two things
that are virtually opposite to either
what could happen or comparisons to
history which I think are useful for
investors whether you're a bull or a
bear I think the concepts that we're
about to touch on are going to be very
very important for understanding are we
indeed going into a recession that is
just months away so the first segment
I'd like to talk about is this right
here now this segment has to do with the
difference between comparing our supply
chain shortages and the expansion of the
money supply that we've seen today
during covid with war and I want to
touch a little bit on my response here
as well as georg's response and then
we're going to get into a very clear
difference that I found between my
expectations for inflations uh for
inflation and George's and how we could
actually both be in alignment of what
the outcome is very interesting let's
get into it I think it's it's like Lynn
says it's much more like the 1940s where
you've got the supply chain disruptions
and you have the money supply growth as
a result of fiscal and not necessarily
what's going on in the banking yeah I
there there are nuances though in in war
versus pandemics somewhat you have loss
of life in both but interestingly you
probably have much less destruction of
industry in a pandemic than you do after
the war so theoretically those prices
would come back down a lot faster
because the supply chains are able to go
back to as close to normal you're not
retooling so to speak or rebuilding
right in fact instead of
retooling or rebuilding we are just
building so so we're so this is a
reference to war versus pandemics and
it's very important to consider that
look yes we had postor War II inflation
but something that we also had post
World War II was a retooling of
manufacturing remember the thesis of
guns and butter we're going to take
factories and we were going to make
Warheads we're going to make bullets
we're going to make bombs and we're
going to limit the production of goods
that people need at their homes uh and
we were going to use a lot of
Commodities that we could be using to
build homes and instead use them in war
frankly so there
is post pandemic and post-war inflation
generally in both cases uh however your
ability to get rapid deflation or at
least rapid
disinflation statistically is easier
after a pandemic because again in both
cases you lose lives but in a pandemic
you didn't retool the auto manufacturer
into a bomb making facility instead
what's happening in today's economy is
actually virtually the opposite of what
we saw saw after the war which is rather
than having to go from basically this
neet negative place of uh manufacturing
capacity our manufacturing capacity
didn't go down what happened was our
demand went way up right so our
manufacturing capacity stayed the same
well that demand has since come way down
but what's happened to our manufacturing
capacity it's gone way up so let's think
about it very simply let's say you're at
a 0 manufacturing covid Z manufacturing
War zer well Manufacturing in war goes
down 10 and then you add 20 let's say
now you're positive 10 manufacturing
after the war well today think
manufacturing never went down if
anything we've just added a ton of
fiscal spending on top of manufacturing
we've exploded our investments into
manufacturing so we're probably plus 30
to Manufacturing wall demands come down
so in other words we've created this
really like scrunched up rubber band
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I don't have a rubber band handy but I
have this watch handy so I always like
the analogy of of this rubber band of
where like what we've done is we've
created so much extra capacity and
capability for manufacturers to
manufacturer that we could add a lot of
demand and actually fill up those Supply
chains which are now ready and do not
want to miss out on the demand that we
saw in 2021 the next time we go into a
boom cycle so we overproduce
manufacturing and so what happens that
rubber band can fill in and it can still
be very loose unlike the pandemic where
it's like like super stretched and it's
ripping and
breaking so that's one thing that I
think is really important but it also
relates to part two of our discussion uh
in that Rebel capitalist video a lot of
supporters uh uh watch George gamon as
well and George is amazing you know he
he came to testify for me uh in in court
when I was running for governor and how
was trying to fight the system uh for
for uh uh ballot naming so really good
guy uh but anyway listen to this segment
here this is a very interesting one
because it relates to the Baseline that
we just created my ,000 in my savings
account but I'd much prefer to have 5.5
if I buy a three-month treasury so I'm
gonna go ahead and take that savings I'm
going to give it to Janet Young she's
going to give me a treasury that's
paying
5.5% but then what she's going to do is
she's going to take that money and she's
going to spend it as as let's just say
stemi checks yeah so now that money has
gone from zero velocity to a lot to a
lot from savings into checking but yet
M2 has not changed at all velocity
increased therefore all being equal you
would expect consumer prices to go up I
think that in my mind that's the easiest
way
to this is a very simple argument as the
money supply expands inflation up I
actually agree with this in fact listen
to my response but notice where we defer
it's a very
important so that's so your POV is that
we'll sum that and call it easing easing
turns into inflation yeah I think easing
turns into no deflation so okay so it's
it's anti- deflationary that's well the
easing will create inflation but it will
only offset the capitalistic deflation
that's occurring oh okay okay so uh
without that your base case is let's say
we have 2% deflation because of the
advances in technology AI cathywood
stuff yeah exactly and and so but what
you're thinking is that we're going to
have maybe a slight downturn or maybe
the fed's going to get ahead of it or
the government's going to get ahead
let's let's remember it's an election
year yes so they're going to try to get
ahead of it with all of this uh fiscal
spending that's going to go into
checking go from savings into checking
in increasing velocity which outside of
the deflationary pressures would give us
let's say 5% inflation but with the 2%
deflationary pressures due to Ai and all
this stuff we end up at a net at two or
three % CPI which is right around where
yes okay yeah yeah
which so this was a really interesting
back and forth because first of all
usually I I I don't get George in a
place where he's like huh yeah because
like I I I think I think there's a
little bit of a moment there of like huh
there is an argument there right because
ordinarily we look at the yield curve
the inverted yield curve and we're like
okay this is going to guarantee
recession
but the yield curve is also very bizarre
because yes look at the yield curve for
a moment the yield curve here recently
has inverted during recessions uh but
then we look at for example the 81
inversion of the yield curve for 82 uh
and GDP in 81 and 82 stayed positive
this is the percent change from a year
ago and we actually inverted here but
kept GDP substantially positive uh in
both 81 uh and 82 that doesn't mean you
don't have a recession uh but you
certainly don't have this this uh this
crash that you had like in 2008 then
again we've also had positive GDP going
through the dotc bubble which was also
defined as a recession usually those
recessions are driven by Massive
joblessness so you absolutely had a
higher unemployment rate during these
Cycles that's why we had a recession so
it doesn't necessarily mean our GDP has
to go negative we could absolutely go
into into a recession and I actually
think that one thing that could lead us
into a recession is a joblessness
recession but I'll tell you what's weird
about the inverted yield curve is let's
go back into history and look at this
when we go before
1930 we actually pretty much had a
negative yield curve from 1900 to 1930
now there are potential reasons for this
uh that are different from today uh that
is we were on a gold standard back then
our banking system system wasn't as
built out we didn't have a Federal
Reserve dinking with our economy uh we
had limited government spend and and
government intervention of course we
also had uh you know uh a depression and
what's crazy is during the Depression
here what actually happened is you went
from inverted by about 70 basis points
to inverted as low as 300 basis points
so you went from like inverted to even
more inverted but it's really
interesting because we always say oh
yeah absolutely the inverted yield curve
means a recession is coming but but wait
a minute we we were inverted which is
all of the red section here for 30 years
and we didn't have 30 years of recession
in the early 19 uh uh you know hundreds
now of course we had the depression of
21 the depression of the late uh 1920s
uh and then of course we had war and and
there there were a lot of panics don't
get me wrong I mean you had the Panic of
1907 you had the recession that were
like between 02 and 04 1900s you had a
panic between 1910 1911 uh 1913 to 1914
uh and then again you went 6 OR7 years
before you had the war so there were
definitely boom
times uh during the early 1900s where
the yield curve was also
inverted now I don't think that's a
perfect comparison to today though
because well again things are so
structurally different we're probably
much better off looking at the inverted
yield curve more recently but it is
interesting because it kind of makes us
scratch our heads and go huh maybe I
didn't know that the yield curve was
also inverted for 30 years between 1900
and 1930 uh with the exception of a
couple short periods of time so now you
wonder okay so let's let's take a step
back here let's think
about where we sit now we sit in an
economically challenged time what
happens when the Federal Reserve eases
well I ideally you prevent job loss if
job loss has already begun and you've
already started a self-fulfilling cycle
of job loss we're screwed we're in a
recession whether GDP goes negative or
not doesn't matter the unemployment rate
alone will drive us into a recession
rapidly it's a lagging indicator once it
happens it's too late we're screwed and
you do not want this job loss sucks
right now most people think if they lose
their jobs they can find another one
very difficult in a recession
okay now what if the Federal Reserve and
I'm not trying to give them credit but
I'm just saying it's a possibility what
if they realize that they start easing
early because they recognize that Supply
chains are like the crunched up rubber
band and we won't necessarily see
consumer prices go up with easing
remember easing can cause a lower
unemployment rate and it could lead to
more spend more spend does not mean more
inflation if you have companies that are
like please buy more stuff from us if
companies want to grow their revenues
and grow their profits without laying
off people you need more demand you need
the top line to go up you need more
units sold with flat prices not more
units sold at higher prices because if
you raise prices you lose unit volume
which you don't want you want units to
grow and profit to grow how do you get
that units up profit up with an eased
economy now if it's ease too far to
where Supply chains are constrained
again that's when you get prices going
up that's a very capitalistic and normal
environment so my belief is that yes we
can have a situation where uh uh we have
inflation
from easing but it will come from a
negative position it will come from
preventing companies from dropping
prices too rapidly because you drop
prices too rapidly recession or
depression I I know people are
frustrated by this because it's sudden
of like prices have gone up 30% please
let prices come down I agree it's insane
okay I don't want to pay $300 for
freaking lifting
any or the groceries or whatever it is
right but I'm just warning that one of
the ways the system could be manipulated
is that we are basically knocking on the
door of recession companies realize that
they start cutting prices rapidly we
actually walk into deflation before we
get the joblessness the FED eases
pulling us out of any kind of realized
deflation and all of a sudden we're at
2% inflation simply by having printed
our way so to speak or easing the money
supply out of deflation it's a crazy
argument I realize it but it's actually
one that I think is true because if you
think of Jerome Powell we know he does
not want deflation we we know he does
not want joblessness we know he does not
want to reignite inflation that's the
risk factor to this strategy if he
believes well inflation's still at 3% if
we start easing now we're going to go up
from three then you're screwed so it
really depends on where you're measuring
from so the best generally way to
measure is by looking at 3 six and 12
month annualized uh reports of recent
inflationary data because it tells you
where the inflation is today year over
year is much more lagged so when you do
that you actually see a chart like Niki
leak shares over here that inflation is
sitting between 2.5 to
2.7% if it continues on this trend for
the next two inflation reports going
into March and all of a sudden we're at
a flexible average inflation Target of
2% and the FED can begin to ease
remember easing a little bit doesn't
really make that much of a difference
yet uh you could you could actually
follow this curve down and start going
minus 25 - 25 25 and that that line can
still go down they just don't want to
add even more pressure to the economy by
keeping rates high for too long as
inflation spreads down because then your
real level of tightening which is the
difference between the two
expands okay so bottom line out of all
of this the FED can absolutely
cut the FED can also probably cut
rapidly and avoid a joblessness
recession and if we don't get
joblessness in this cycle I think we're
going to avoid a recession will get
inflation back to expectations and we'll
actually be able to look at the inverted
yield curve as something that pulled off
more of a
1982 or a
mid90s than what most people look at the
inverted yield curve likely being able
to pull off and that's because I think
we're sitting here in the aftershocks
kind of like we got hit by an earthquake
and see this blue line here see how
volatile the inverted yield curve is
here we got this volatile earthquake
which was the rapid rising of interest
rates like you saw from Paul vulker and
now we're dealing with sort of the
aftershocks of that and so technically
we could argue we've already had the
recession of the
2019 inverted yield curve so inverted
yield curve of 2019 created all of the
insanity we've had over the last four
years and so we're not saying this time
is different the inverted yield curve is
wrong we're actually saying the inverted
yield curve was right it was just right
already it's already done it's already
been correct uh and then then uh you
know you could go into a 10-year boom
cycle who knows who knows but it is a
consideration uh so we'll see I'd love
to hear your comments on this down below
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