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The Recession is ABOUT to HIT | George Gammon.

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George gamon thinks we are within months

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of a recession striking his reason for

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this has to do with the plummeting of

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the 2-year treasury yield yesterday I

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had the privilege of speaking at one of

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his events in Dallas Texas not only did

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I have the honor of speaking at the

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event but I also had the honor of

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interviewing him going on His Rebel

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capitalist show and interviewing James

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Hartman Ken melroy boy we've got some

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to subscribe but George gamon's argument

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which you'll hear a lot about and fully

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explained in the interview that'll drop

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between myself and him has to do with

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the two-year treasury dropping and what

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that is telling us when it drops 25

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basis points suddenly out of very little

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news when the tenure isn't dropping that

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fast is that a sign that the recession

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is potentially months away well in this

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video I'm going to point out two

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segments from the interview that we did

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on his show because there are two things

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that are virtually opposite to either

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what could happen or comparisons to

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history which I think are useful for

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investors whether you're a bull or a

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bear I think the concepts that we're

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about to touch on are going to be very

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very important for understanding are we

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indeed going into a recession that is

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just months away so the first segment

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I'd like to talk about is this right

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here now this segment has to do with the

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difference between comparing our supply

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chain shortages and the expansion of the

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money supply that we've seen today

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during covid with war and I want to

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touch a little bit on my response here

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as well as georg's response and then

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we're going to get into a very clear

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difference that I found between my

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expectations for inflations uh for

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inflation and George's and how we could

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actually both be in alignment of what

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the outcome is very interesting let's

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get into it I think it's it's like Lynn

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says it's much more like the 1940s where

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you've got the supply chain disruptions

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and you have the money supply growth as

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a result of fiscal and not necessarily

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what's going on in the banking yeah I

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there there are nuances though in in war

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versus pandemics somewhat you have loss

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of life in both but interestingly you

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probably have much less destruction of

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industry in a pandemic than you do after

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the war so theoretically those prices

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would come back down a lot faster

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because the supply chains are able to go

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back to as close to normal you're not

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retooling so to speak or rebuilding

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right in fact instead of

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retooling or rebuilding we are just

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building so so we're so this is a

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reference to war versus pandemics and

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it's very important to consider that

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look yes we had postor War II inflation

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but something that we also had post

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World War II was a retooling of

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manufacturing remember the thesis of

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guns and butter we're going to take

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factories and we were going to make

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Warheads we're going to make bullets

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we're going to make bombs and we're

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going to limit the production of goods

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that people need at their homes uh and

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we were going to use a lot of

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Commodities that we could be using to

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build homes and instead use them in war

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frankly so there

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is post pandemic and post-war inflation

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generally in both cases uh however your

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ability to get rapid deflation or at

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least rapid

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disinflation statistically is easier

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after a pandemic because again in both

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cases you lose lives but in a pandemic

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you didn't retool the auto manufacturer

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into a bomb making facility instead

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what's happening in today's economy is

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actually virtually the opposite of what

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we saw saw after the war which is rather

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than having to go from basically this

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neet negative place of uh manufacturing

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capacity our manufacturing capacity

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didn't go down what happened was our

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demand went way up right so our

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manufacturing capacity stayed the same

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well that demand has since come way down

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but what's happened to our manufacturing

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capacity it's gone way up so let's think

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about it very simply let's say you're at

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a 0 manufacturing covid Z manufacturing

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War zer well Manufacturing in war goes

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down 10 and then you add 20 let's say

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now you're positive 10 manufacturing

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after the war well today think

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manufacturing never went down if

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anything we've just added a ton of

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fiscal spending on top of manufacturing

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we've exploded our investments into

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manufacturing so we're probably plus 30

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to Manufacturing wall demands come down

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so in other words we've created this

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really like scrunched up rubber band

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I don't have a rubber band handy but I

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have this watch handy so I always like

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the analogy of of this rubber band of

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where like what we've done is we've

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created so much extra capacity and

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capability for manufacturers to

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manufacturer that we could add a lot of

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demand and actually fill up those Supply

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chains which are now ready and do not

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want to miss out on the demand that we

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saw in 2021 the next time we go into a

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boom cycle so we overproduce

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manufacturing and so what happens that

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rubber band can fill in and it can still

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be very loose unlike the pandemic where

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it's like like super stretched and it's

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ripping and

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breaking so that's one thing that I

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think is really important but it also

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relates to part two of our discussion uh

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in that Rebel capitalist video a lot of

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supporters uh uh watch George gamon as

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well and George is amazing you know he

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he came to testify for me uh in in court

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when I was running for governor and how

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was trying to fight the system uh for

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for uh uh ballot naming so really good

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guy uh but anyway listen to this segment

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here this is a very interesting one

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because it relates to the Baseline that

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we just created my ,000 in my savings

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account but I'd much prefer to have 5.5

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if I buy a three-month treasury so I'm

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gonna go ahead and take that savings I'm

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going to give it to Janet Young she's

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going to give me a treasury that's

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paying

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5.5% but then what she's going to do is

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she's going to take that money and she's

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going to spend it as as let's just say

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stemi checks yeah so now that money has

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gone from zero velocity to a lot to a

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lot from savings into checking but yet

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M2 has not changed at all velocity

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increased therefore all being equal you

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would expect consumer prices to go up I

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think that in my mind that's the easiest

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way

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to this is a very simple argument as the

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money supply expands inflation up I

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actually agree with this in fact listen

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to my response but notice where we defer

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it's a very

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important so that's so your POV is that

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we'll sum that and call it easing easing

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turns into inflation yeah I think easing

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turns into no deflation so okay so it's

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it's anti- deflationary that's well the

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easing will create inflation but it will

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only offset the capitalistic deflation

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that's occurring oh okay okay so uh

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without that your base case is let's say

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we have 2% deflation because of the

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advances in technology AI cathywood

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stuff yeah exactly and and so but what

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you're thinking is that we're going to

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have maybe a slight downturn or maybe

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the fed's going to get ahead of it or

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the government's going to get ahead

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let's let's remember it's an election

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year yes so they're going to try to get

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ahead of it with all of this uh fiscal

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spending that's going to go into

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checking go from savings into checking

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in increasing velocity which outside of

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the deflationary pressures would give us

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let's say 5% inflation but with the 2%

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deflationary pressures due to Ai and all

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this stuff we end up at a net at two or

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three % CPI which is right around where

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yes okay yeah yeah

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which so this was a really interesting

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back and forth because first of all

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usually I I I don't get George in a

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place where he's like huh yeah because

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like I I I think I think there's a

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little bit of a moment there of like huh

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there is an argument there right because

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ordinarily we look at the yield curve

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the inverted yield curve and we're like

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okay this is going to guarantee

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recession

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but the yield curve is also very bizarre

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because yes look at the yield curve for

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a moment the yield curve here recently

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has inverted during recessions uh but

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then we look at for example the 81

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inversion of the yield curve for 82 uh

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and GDP in 81 and 82 stayed positive

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this is the percent change from a year

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ago and we actually inverted here but

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kept GDP substantially positive uh in

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both 81 uh and 82 that doesn't mean you

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don't have a recession uh but you

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certainly don't have this this uh this

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crash that you had like in 2008 then

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again we've also had positive GDP going

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through the dotc bubble which was also

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defined as a recession usually those

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recessions are driven by Massive

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joblessness so you absolutely had a

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higher unemployment rate during these

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Cycles that's why we had a recession so

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it doesn't necessarily mean our GDP has

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to go negative we could absolutely go

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into into a recession and I actually

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think that one thing that could lead us

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into a recession is a joblessness

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recession but I'll tell you what's weird

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about the inverted yield curve is let's

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go back into history and look at this

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when we go before

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1930 we actually pretty much had a

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negative yield curve from 1900 to 1930

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now there are potential reasons for this

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uh that are different from today uh that

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is we were on a gold standard back then

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our banking system system wasn't as

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built out we didn't have a Federal

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Reserve dinking with our economy uh we

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had limited government spend and and

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government intervention of course we

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also had uh you know uh a depression and

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what's crazy is during the Depression

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here what actually happened is you went

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from inverted by about 70 basis points

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to inverted as low as 300 basis points

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so you went from like inverted to even

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more inverted but it's really

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interesting because we always say oh

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yeah absolutely the inverted yield curve

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means a recession is coming but but wait

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a minute we we were inverted which is

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all of the red section here for 30 years

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and we didn't have 30 years of recession

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in the early 19 uh uh you know hundreds

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now of course we had the depression of

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21 the depression of the late uh 1920s

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uh and then of course we had war and and

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there there were a lot of panics don't

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get me wrong I mean you had the Panic of

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1907 you had the recession that were

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like between 02 and 04 1900s you had a

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panic between 1910 1911 uh 1913 to 1914

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uh and then again you went 6 OR7 years

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before you had the war so there were

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definitely boom

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times uh during the early 1900s where

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the yield curve was also

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inverted now I don't think that's a

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perfect comparison to today though

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because well again things are so

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structurally different we're probably

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much better off looking at the inverted

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yield curve more recently but it is

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interesting because it kind of makes us

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scratch our heads and go huh maybe I

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didn't know that the yield curve was

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also inverted for 30 years between 1900

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and 1930 uh with the exception of a

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couple short periods of time so now you

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wonder okay so let's let's take a step

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back here let's think

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about where we sit now we sit in an

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economically challenged time what

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happens when the Federal Reserve eases

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well I ideally you prevent job loss if

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job loss has already begun and you've

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already started a self-fulfilling cycle

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of job loss we're screwed we're in a

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recession whether GDP goes negative or

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not doesn't matter the unemployment rate

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alone will drive us into a recession

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rapidly it's a lagging indicator once it

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happens it's too late we're screwed and

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you do not want this job loss sucks

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right now most people think if they lose

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their jobs they can find another one

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very difficult in a recession

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okay now what if the Federal Reserve and

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I'm not trying to give them credit but

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I'm just saying it's a possibility what

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if they realize that they start easing

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early because they recognize that Supply

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chains are like the crunched up rubber

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band and we won't necessarily see

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consumer prices go up with easing

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remember easing can cause a lower

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unemployment rate and it could lead to

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more spend more spend does not mean more

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inflation if you have companies that are

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like please buy more stuff from us if

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companies want to grow their revenues

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and grow their profits without laying

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off people you need more demand you need

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the top line to go up you need more

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units sold with flat prices not more

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units sold at higher prices because if

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you raise prices you lose unit volume

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which you don't want you want units to

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grow and profit to grow how do you get

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that units up profit up with an eased

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economy now if it's ease too far to

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where Supply chains are constrained

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again that's when you get prices going

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up that's a very capitalistic and normal

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environment so my belief is that yes we

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can have a situation where uh uh we have

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inflation

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from easing but it will come from a

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negative position it will come from

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preventing companies from dropping

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prices too rapidly because you drop

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prices too rapidly recession or

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depression I I know people are

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frustrated by this because it's sudden

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of like prices have gone up 30% please

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let prices come down I agree it's insane

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okay I don't want to pay $300 for

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freaking lifting

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any or the groceries or whatever it is

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right but I'm just warning that one of

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the ways the system could be manipulated

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is that we are basically knocking on the

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door of recession companies realize that

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they start cutting prices rapidly we

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actually walk into deflation before we

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get the joblessness the FED eases

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pulling us out of any kind of realized

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deflation and all of a sudden we're at

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2% inflation simply by having printed

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our way so to speak or easing the money

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supply out of deflation it's a crazy

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argument I realize it but it's actually

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one that I think is true because if you

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think of Jerome Powell we know he does

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not want deflation we we know he does

15:29

not want joblessness we know he does not

15:32

want to reignite inflation that's the

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risk factor to this strategy if he

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believes well inflation's still at 3% if

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we start easing now we're going to go up

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from three then you're screwed so it

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really depends on where you're measuring

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from so the best generally way to

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measure is by looking at 3 six and 12

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month annualized uh reports of recent

15:54

inflationary data because it tells you

15:56

where the inflation is today year over

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year is much more lagged so when you do

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that you actually see a chart like Niki

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leak shares over here that inflation is

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sitting between 2.5 to

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2.7% if it continues on this trend for

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the next two inflation reports going

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into March and all of a sudden we're at

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a flexible average inflation Target of

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2% and the FED can begin to ease

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remember easing a little bit doesn't

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really make that much of a difference

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yet uh you could you could actually

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follow this curve down and start going

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minus 25 - 25 25 and that that line can

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still go down they just don't want to

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add even more pressure to the economy by

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keeping rates high for too long as

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inflation spreads down because then your

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real level of tightening which is the

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difference between the two

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expands okay so bottom line out of all

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of this the FED can absolutely

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cut the FED can also probably cut

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rapidly and avoid a joblessness

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recession and if we don't get

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joblessness in this cycle I think we're

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going to avoid a recession will get

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inflation back to expectations and we'll

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actually be able to look at the inverted

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yield curve as something that pulled off

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more of a

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1982 or a

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mid90s than what most people look at the

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inverted yield curve likely being able

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to pull off and that's because I think

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we're sitting here in the aftershocks

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kind of like we got hit by an earthquake

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and see this blue line here see how

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volatile the inverted yield curve is

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here we got this volatile earthquake

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which was the rapid rising of interest

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rates like you saw from Paul vulker and

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now we're dealing with sort of the

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aftershocks of that and so technically

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we could argue we've already had the

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recession of the

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2019 inverted yield curve so inverted

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yield curve of 2019 created all of the

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insanity we've had over the last four

17:54

years and so we're not saying this time

17:56

is different the inverted yield curve is

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wrong we're actually saying the inverted

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yield curve was right it was just right

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already it's already done it's already

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been correct uh and then then uh you

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know you could go into a 10-year boom

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cycle who knows who knows but it is a

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consideration uh so we'll see I'd love

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to hear your comments on this down below

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and we'll see you soon thanks so much

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