Congress LASHES OUT on Bailouts
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well we just had a congressman freak out
about the bank bailouts that are
occurring and then of course you've got
people in the Venture Capital space who
are coming to the defense of the
bailouts let's listen first to this
freak out from representative Thomas
Massey Thomas Massey has been pretty
involved in these uh in monitoring and
commenting on these bank bailouts you
should listen to some of the comments he
made because they might Echo some of the
sentiment that or at least what you're
feeling
the last five days simplified he says on
Twitter quote
a group of wealthy speculators got upset
that their money ended up locked into a
10-year obligation at less than a two
percent return so they convinced the
government that it was in everyone's
best interest to help them out of their
Jam at the expense of everyone else
oopsies you know what's actually very
interesting about that is you've
actually got people like the governor of
California who apparently had three to
four of his personal or Winery business
accounts at Silicon Valley Bank the
governor of California was one of the
beneficiaries of the easy lending of
Silicon Valley Bank and what's the
governor of California doing last week
when Silicon Valley Bank was having
trouble pounding the table about talking
to people at the highest level of the
White House in the treasury Department
to help protect you yet he doesn't
disclose that he actually Banks there
and he's really trying to save himself
so maybe representative Thomas Massey is
on to something but it's not just that
see Thomas Massey goes on to say when
the debt limit is increased the treasury
is going to need over half a trillion
dollars to unwind these quote
Extraordinary Measures that have been
implemented for this banking crisis now
remember folks uh look I'm a licensed
financial advisor I run an active ETF
I've got programs linked Down Below on
building your wealth with an expiring
coupon code got a real estate startup I
I do Finance for a living people are
clamoring about this idea about whether
this is a bailout or not let's be clear
today
it is not technically a bailout it is
using money that already exists in a
treasury fund however that fund was
established using Appropriations
Congressional Appropriations which come
from guess what taxpayer money that
means taxpayers are guaranteeing this
bailout so yes technically taxpayers are
bailing out Silicon Valley and uh
wealthier potentially uh entrepreneurs
or businesses who had more than two
hundred fifty thousand dollars in their
accounts and and didn't you know manage
their cash in such a way where they were
properly Diversified remember you could
use the FDIC calculator by Googling FDIC
calculator and you'll be able to do that
make sure you're at the dot gov website
and you can see how easy it is to
actually get up to one and a half
million dollars of FDIC Insurance just
by having various different accounts
whether you're married or you've got
retirement accounts business accounts
whatever sole prop Corp accounts
whatever it's actually really incredible
how much FDIC Insurance you could
actually get if you just try now the
good news is everybody who escaped from
the scot-free I think is now waking up
to that and they got a little wake-up
call and that would be a very smart time
not to rely on the government it would
be a very smart time to diversify your
bank accounts but anyway
uh Tom Massey goes on to say that he
expects we are going to have to come up
with about 500 billion dollars to unwind
these quote extraordinary bailout
measures because he says that what we're
experiencing right now seems to be a
shock to the current system and that if
money is quote printed like it was
printed for covet then unfortunately
it's going to cause more inflation the
reality is had the government not bailed
out Silicon Valley Bank the reality is
he says quote depositors would have only
lost about 20 percent they wouldn't have
needed all of their money right away now
that's an interesting point because a
lot of people are going we needed to do
these bailouts because you know small
businesses weren't able to make payroll
let's be real if you had an 80 percent
uh if you had access to 80 of your money
and you took a 20 haircut you'd have
enough money for payroll but it would it
would let capitalism do its job and
prove that the government is not just an
infinite bailout machine and it's
certainly not just a bailout machine of
of on average wealthier Silicon Valley
based startups now don't get me wrong I
don't want anybody to lose money I'm
just a capitalist at heart and I think
any venture capitalist should be
thanking the government that we have
right now for the bailout because
probably a 10 to 30 percent haircut
would have been what would have happened
so you basically got a stemi check from
the government that's basically what
happened and I'm happy for you don't get
me wrong I'm not resentful I'm not upset
I think though any entrepreneur would
agree that as a capitalist it makes
sense that a depositor should have some
responsibility for determining where
they put their money now the counter
argument there is no that's the
regulator's responsibility and when the
hell does any capitalist say The
Regulators are supposed to protect me
really if your business fails was it the
regulator's fault if you made a bad
decision and you lost a big customer or
client was it the right regulator's
fault you know if you crash your car was
it the DMV's fault if you uh you know a
drink can drive because you bought
alcohol at a liquor store and then you
go drive and crash your car was it the
liquor store's fault was it was it the
regulator's alcohol board fault no it
was your fault uh so so that's that's
just the reality of a capitalistic
environment and so I think Thomas Massey
is really echoing that sentiment here uh
that and he actually goes as far as
saying look half of venture capital
backed companies fail
so like it's not like businesses don't
go out of business like that's a normal
course of business this business is
going to business but also somehow
Venture Capital firms managed to achieve
greater than 10 annual returns or at
least that's common says Thomas Massey
and so the notion that several of these
companies at Silicon Valley Bank taking
a 10 haircut would have caused an
apocalyptic disruption of innovation
it's straight up he says this
is Thomas Massey representative I
actually think he he makes a really good
point
uh so uh he and as somebody ended up
replying to Thomas Massey and says we
bailed out a bunch of professional
speculators and he replies to that and
says precisely now I want to give you
the counter argument because I don't
just want to give you one side of the
argument here but I want to respond to
one of the comments here miss Mary says
bartenders can be held liable well but
that's also different right that's
different from somebody walking into a
store who's not drunk and buying alcohol
what happens is when you're alkalized
your ability to make a decision plummets
and if you're wasted inside of a bar it
is incumbent upon Society to protect
somebody in my opinion who's incapable
of actually protecting themselves if
somebody's you know a 0.2 blasted drunk
they're not capable of protecting
themselves they're not an asset anymore
to society they're a liability right and
so yes Regulators have made that
incumbent upon those around them but I
don't think that companies who create
failures
you know based on their own business
decisions are at the liberty of begging
for the 99 of Americans who pay their
taxes and work hard to bail them out
that's just that's just my take again
I've got nothing against startups I have
a startup you know I'm just I'm just a
more of a capitalist uh and probably
lean more libertarian than suggesting we
should just we should basically say FDIC
Insurance 250. nah it's actually
unlimited yeah I think that sets a very
very bad standards it encourages Risk by
shareholders and Executives and even
though they might lose everything if
they could tell their customers hey
you're basically unlimited uh
unlimitedly protected by the government
why not take the risk you have a greater
chance of getting greater shareholder
returns
anyway uh in a financial times interview
you had sort of another response this is
Ken Griffin CEO of Citadel he says quote
the U.S economy is supposed to be a
capitalistic system and that's breaking
down before our eyes we are becoming
more socialist every time the government
intervenes or at least the type of crony
capitalism yeah like what you're seeing
with Gavin Newsom I mean think about it
uh FDA the the release that you got was
that if FDIC took any kind of loss then
what would happen is other member banks
would just have to pay higher FDIC fees
well what the hell is that that's called
socialism oh one person lost money no
problem we'll save them and we'll make
everybody pay more because of the
failures of you know a bank that was too
aggressive
you know that's that's as uh Ken Griffin
puts it privatizing gains but
socializing losses he says there's been
a lot of loss of financial discipline
with the government bailing out
depositors in full Regulators have
created a great moral hazard there is no
incentive for depositors to remotely
think about risks or due diligence when
trying to stay within the 250k limits
there's also no incentive for banks to
risk manage as the government will
always backstop losses moral hazard
obviously is a term used sort of like
insurance people act more Reckless when
they know the liability is shifted away
from them counterparty risk is
essentially now no longer an issue
there's no such thing as counterparty
risk anymore if the government will just
bail out everything remember the cefo of
Lehman or of Silicon Valley Bank worked
at Lehman Brothers so the people who say
oh but the executives are going to get
fired and lose their jobs and they won't
be able to get a job anymore dude this
the the person who worked at Lehman
Brothers became the CFO of Silicon
Valley Bank the idea that moral hazard
will be limited because Executives will
get you know fired is and you
could see it in the fact that the guy
who worked at Lehman Brothers ended up
working as a CF the Chief Financial
Officer at Silicon Valley Bank it's
insane
now the fed's launching a probe into
exactly what happened with Silicon
Valley bang uh and uh you know this was
an interesting one even though an
individual who left in April was paid
two million dollars for her work uh four
months of 2022 with a an average four to
sixty thousand dollar severance package
anyway it basically there's some
arguments that massive amounts of money
were being spent on uh salaries and
bonuses and severances for people before
the collapse
but then you have people like David
sacks who's a VC guy in rocana trying to
basically share what they call the full
picture and what they say is that this
banking crisis originated in Washington
that it's Washington's fault because
they raise rates so rapidly dude how
clearly did the FED Telegraph that they
were raising rates to say oh well the
banks are just failing because you all
raised rates so rapidly what do you mean
literally for the last two years
they've been talking about liftoff and
raising rates and for the last year
they've been doing nothing but saying
higher for longer higher for longer and
Silicon Valley Bank got rid of all of
their Hedges of increasing interest
rates come on David sacks be real tell
the world about all of the VCS that you
were invested in that would have lost a
crap load of money and potentially gone
bankrupt at Silicon Valley Bank I don't
think there's any way you could say
you're not biased in the situation now
that doesn't mean you can't have a
reasonable argument just because you're
biased doesn't mean you can't have a
reasonable argument sometimes I'm biased
sometimes I have a horse in the race and
and maybe I'm biased right that's fine I
think everybody has advice but I think
it's very important to acknowledge that
this is not capitalism David Sachs this
was a bailout uh a buy taxpayers of
private institutions as Ken Griffin says
we socialize losses here now there might
not end up being any losses that's
possible and in that case we wouldn't
socialize any losses because losses
would be zero In fairness that is
possible it's really just the FED coming
in turning on the money printer and
holding a bag which may prove not to be
bag in the future especially if
inflation goes away
now you do have people like David sacks
and rocana also criticizing the
weakening of the Dodd-Frank protections
for systemically important banks that we
had in 2018 but Democrats voted for that
as well it was Donald Trump a
republican-controlled Congress and
Democrats together who voted for this
the only people who didn't vote for this
deregulation in in 2018 the banking
deregulation Bill were basically
Progressive Democrats that's it so you
got a super majority of people who voted
for this deregulation so yes I think
deregulation has something to do with
this but that you know just because you
know two rights don't make it wrong just
because you made the mistake of
deregulating doesn't mean you know now
all of a sudden we should bail
everything out to 100 a little bit of a
haircut is healthy David sacks obviously
Echoes what Bill Ackman say that well
the run on the banks would have been a
lot worse had we not come out to to bail
these individuals out maybe that's
entirely possible uh that you know the
banking runs would have been a lot worse
although I think the banking runs are
still to some degree just beginning and
that's another possible dangerous that
the banking guns could actually continue
to get worse I think what you've really
done is you've sent I really think that
Venture Capital people and startups are
smart people I think there are a lot of
smart people and I think the smart
people who just had their ass saved at
Silicon Valley Bank or signature or some
of these other banks are going
well I'm not gonna make that mistake
again I'm going to diversify my Banks I
think that's very reasonable and I think
that's going to happen so I think the
banking run is going to continue albeit
at a slower less Panic Pace but I think
that the true damage of that is still
yet to be seen
and that's why all eyes are on the FED
for what they're going to do with hiking
rates anyway Silicon Valley Bank was
known for providing what was known as a
white glove red carpet treatment of
Silicon Valley Executives including
providing not only basically credit
lines to cash list companies or
companies without any cash flow with
little questions asked other than the
fact that you were a startup but they
also provided White Glove services for
some of these folks including mortgages
for founders of startups basically
giving them whatever financing and terms
they want just to promise to be a a
member of the bank
see that's not risk management folks
that's nonsense anyway Regulators are
attempting another auction of Silicon
Valley Bank after failing to find a
buyer of the weekend Banks and private
Equity Funds are circling and startups
are scrambling to find a new home for
their cash during the chaos companies
with accounts elsewhere transferred
their funds While others struggled with
red tape and frantically opened new
accounts fantax like Brax apparently
experienced a surge in activities with
the company uh opening over 3 000 new
accounts wow big Banks obviously like B
of A City JP Morgan is seeing massive
inflows uh these are called the gray
carpet treatment Banks instead of a red
carpet treatment Bank
now this is true they have less
customized Services right it's one of
the reasons I've taken some of my money
and had it at some of the smaller Banks
because you you do have better uh
funding and easier credit lines you know
I was able to get a a rental uh rental
property home equity line of credit
relock uh and a 90 home equity line of
credit from a small Credit Union I could
have never in my dreams gotten that from
a big four bank but I kept my exposure
to those accounts to less than 250k or
500k as married individual right so like
you can play the game you could use the
riskier lending but at least include
some risk mitigation procedures
so worth noting obviously all of this
comes on the heels of Greg Becker
selling 3.6 million dollars worth in
share worth of shares the SEC is now
investigating this but on top of that
you have TS Lombard which has a really
interesting piece about how really this
banking crisis could really just be the
beginning of uh of of of really uh a
greater recessionary disaster and I
think this piece is really interesting
to look at how the asset cycle ends but
before we talk about how the asset cycle
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all right so what does TS longboard to
say us so basically they have this
article here they have this piece and
they're they're bearish right they're
Bears so they have this piece where they
talk about Bank assets will consequently
migrate back to where yield is highest
and uh liquidity is frictionless so in
other words uh that right now what
you're experiencing is there are two
types of Cycles there's a credit cycle
and there's an asset cycle see they say
that ever since the GSE ended the U.S
economy has driven been driven by an
asset cycle rather than a credit cycle
in other words this is money printing
this here is borrowing and so you have
shifted vulnerabilities from liabilities
to assets when you have a debt cycle you
have too much debt you have a liability
crisis when you have an asset cycle you
have too much cash so what do you do
with that cash you park it into assets
but if those assets like treasury bills
lose values or lose their value then you
get screwed right
so the shift uh with is it basically is
create some unique intra a unique
distortions should I say uh and uh with
the biggest Distortion you have is you
have this massive flow of capital to
tech companies however now we're finally
starting to see a little bit of a U-turn
in Tech and T.S Lombard says that U-turn
in Tech is basically and potentially the
beginning of the real recession that
we're walking into they say here look at
this section this this paragraph right
here money like water flows in the
direction of least resistance this was
true for the Housing Industry pre-2008
and for Tech in the current cycle like
housing Tech was distorted by a
seemingly unlimited flow of cheap
capital and credit just when Limitless
cheap or limitlessly cheap turned into
limited and expensive that is money as
it always happens Tech revenues began to
weaken so in other words at the same
time as interest rates started going up
and we turned the money printer off Tech
Revenue started going down now there
could be a causation correlation
argument here but anyway the outsize
tech expansion in the past few years and
its current crunch is particularly
evident in employment after leading the
economy and hiring tech leads the
reduction in head count Looking Back to
December of 2019 as a base of comparison
Tech employment is up 15 versus four
percent for the employment of the area
excluding Tech retail and Health
Services and Leisure and Hospitality in
other words employment at Tech up 15
everything else only up four percent
however Tech is now down while you're
still seeing increases in retail so what
else does TS longboard say us about this
well what do they say they tell us that
asset slash liability matches have gone
awry because deposit outflows have
broken the the traditional model that
we're used to with and this is
reminiscent of what happened with
collateralized debt obligations back in
2008 mortgage defaults skyrocketed
through lower tranche firewalls that
were suggested or that model suggested
could not happen in other words we
relied on these fancy models in 2008
that suggested things can't be that bad
yet what are we dealing with today well
we're dealing with these models that
suggest oh don't worry we could spend
through the recession the recession
won't actually be that bad well that
really remains to be seen and TS Lombard
really thinks that a recession is ahead
of us they say In Sum a recession is
inevitable Silicon Valley Bank and the
knock-on impact on Bank credit activity
brings forward the timing and keep an
eye on Tech the flow of economic data in
the coming few days CPI today which we
already had that was yesterday because
this report was from yesterday uh we'll
have uh or actually CPI was now two days
ago anyway we'll have the fomc pike
hiking by 25 BP next week the FED also
hiked through bank failures before and
will through this one that's a very
interesting argument they're saying look
Tech which was the Big Driver weakening
the asset bubble is turning everything's
slowing down this recession is going to
hit hard but not only is this recession
going to hit hard you better believe the
FED is going to go for 25 BP here the
fed's done it before and they'll do it
again precisely because it will not be
seen as systemic to the banking system
in other words the Credit Suisse drama
Silicon Valley Bank will not be seen as
systemic
while this is true relative to 2008
Silicon Valley Bank is also a warning
that there may be more damage to come in
the financial system this is not
mortgages creating a great financial
crisis but it nevertheless leads to a
recession outcome
so in other words the Slowdown of the
asset cycle the banking crisis the tech
slowdown TS Lombard's opinion big
recession coming that's what gets rid of
inflation
now all of that comes on the backs of uh
these these comments of us bailing out
Banks is there a potential Goldilocks
solution here maybe counter argument is
bail out these idiosyncratic issues
these individual Bank issues bail them
out
let inflation fall with inflation or
with the rates that we have now maybe
another 25 BP or we stay stable let
inflation fall as inflation Falls maybe
we can keep going without more banking
crises and more banking failures in
which case if we end up killing
inflation here's the Goldilocks scenario
we kill inflation owner's equivalent
rents come down sticky Services come
down we kill inflation
we have no recession or a very shallow
recession businesses and consumers spend
through the recession
yes you have a little bit of hit on
Staples and discretionaries expected but
it's minor and then what do you do you
come out on the other side with
companies that are much more lean and
efficient now and able to create more
profits
in other words and taxpayers don't end
up fronting any losses to the banking
sector so in other words
as this bubble is deflating
the conditions are present to where we
could actually just reinflate the bubble
and go back to the Moon which is kind of
scary and crazy you'd think we'd have to
go through some more pain but the
government right now is doing a really
good job of making sure that nobody can
fail no failures socialists no failures
nobody's allowed to fail
but hey as somebody who's invested in
stocks maybe I'm biased to the upside
and hopefully that's what happens but I
think TS Lombard makes a good point that
we have yet to see how this asset
tightening cycle which is being
evidenced by the bank failures will end
up affecting earnings I think it's funny
that somebody here in the comments says
employees and investors didn't get
bailed out by the Banks uh yes they did
first of all employees got bailed out
and maybe investors didn't but employees
did they all got a 50 pay bump paid for
by the FDIC to stay with the bank for
another 45 days yes they're gonna have
to find another job but let's be real
they got bailed out too so the idea that
well not everybody got bailed out
somehow makes this time different is
nonsense it's a bailout let's be real
about that it is a bail out suggesting
it's not a bailout in my opinion is is
just it's a Looney Tune it's an absolute
Looney Tune it's a bailout it's very
simple the taxpayer will foot the bill
uh if uh there's any loss the taxpayer
pays for it in fact the taxpayer already
paid for those salaries for example uh
because
of the Appropriations that set up this
facility in the first place Congress
took taxpayer money and stuck it into a
fund that we're now using to bail
everyone out yeah somebody here says
it's bailout light yeah it's a diet
bailout there you go
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