A Judge JUST Destroyed the SEC on Crypto.
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you won't believe what the judge says in
this crypto discussion with the SEC
regarding the SEC coinbase lawsuit and
what it potentially means for where all
of this is going this is intense buckle
up for this entire video because you're
going to see some tense intense slams
against the SC so we've got to talk a
crypto earlier uh this week I posted
well I guess that would be last week I
posted a video discussing uh my thoughts
on how potentially we could end up
seeing a regulated crypto environment
within the next year which those of you
in Twitter space has reminded me could
end up aligning with the uh Bitcoin
housing and could end up being a really
great setup for actually bringing crypto
to a bullish environment rather than the
crap everybody's been riding through
over the last about 18 months it's been
painful which is fantastic that hey
there's light at the end of the tunnel
now not only this but we've seen some
sec acceptance of Bitcoin ETF
applications suggesting that they're
actually now processing these ETF
applications which is also very bullish
there is obviously the potential that
all this bullishness on regulation is
potentially over hyping some valuations
which once then we actually get clear
regulation maybe and ironically that
means you see a sell down as speculators
get out but others counter off for that
and say hey well if speculators get out
that's okay it'll be offset by
institutions and Pension funds who can
now much more readily invest into crypto
so this is all fantastic news well we've
got a little bit of an update here on
the SEC versus coinbase we've got a
pre-motion conference between the judge
and the plaintiffs and defendants and
some of the commentary from the judge is
quite frankly
fascinating and I'm going to go through
some pieces of that commentary now so
first what I think is really incredible
uh is this discussion about uh whether
the SEC at all has jurisdiction uh over
uh uh you know coinbase in terms of
their crypto offerings but not just that
specifically how they determine what's a
security and whatnot and we've all heard
this before the Howie test see look at
this here the simple answer your honor
about whether or not something is a
security or not is the Howie analysis
and what I think is interesting here
about the Howie analysis is that they
reference uh this idea that look we
potentially look at what outside
industry forces use there's a particular
Council that they refer to here it is
look at this
I'm going to read you this segment here
individuals or companies to determine
whether a crypto asset is a security
need to do an analysis of crypto assets
that they have allowed to trade on their
platform or those that they have issued
we see that the industry does this they
have created I believe they call it the
CRC or crypto rating Council where there
is an where there are a number of Market
participants that have gotten together
these are like your public it used to be
block fi and other companies coinbase uh
where a number of Market participants
have gotten together and they create
what they call a scorecard and then they
use a Howie analysis as part of that
scorecard to determine how risky their
crypto assets are in terms of uh you
know sort of a scale of zero to five on
what the odds are that something's going
to be considered a security and so
you've got this sort of build up of this
discussion here where the SEC is saying
look the industries already themselves
trying to figure out hey is something a
security or not which is fantastic
because you're seeing the industry is
showing it wants to follow the law I
think this is a great setup for crypto
on a regulatory basis a great and
fantastic setup and follows what I was
initially not very optimistic about but
have become more optimistic about the
I've read through the ruling for uh the
Ripple case again after I last talked
about it last week it it reads better
the more often you read it it doesn't
feel like the strongest ruling but it's
definitely great news uh for uh for the
crypto community and I think the Judge
has a point not to call it a security I
think the Judge is right on if anything
would be much more of a commodity than a
security and what's beautiful about that
is gets the SEC away from some of these
offerings more you get the SEC away uh
generally the less pressure you seem to
have uh especially since the cftc seems
to be a little bit uh less aggressive
than the SEC but take a look look at
this this I thought was really
incredible
in this you start having an argument
about the S1 the S1 is your initial
regulatory filing to say look we want to
take a company public like coinbase and
here the SEC argues that the S1 is about
disclosures and just because we let the
coinbase the company coinbase go public
doesn't mean we approved of their entire
business they say here the S1 is about
disclosures but I don't have everything
in front of me we can fully brief all of
the legal and factual implications that
go in regarding an S one filing but
there is no way an approval of an S1 is
a blessing of the company's entire
business
and remember that any kind of really
filing with the SEC is generally a way
of the SEC saying look we just want to
make sure everybody's following the same
format providing the right information
to investors to evaluate those
businesses so initially I thought okay I
mean that's the argument I would expect
the SEC to make here but what I thought
is really interesting here
is that listen to this
so we get the court so the judge saying
this
but I would have thought that the
commission was doing diligence into what
coinbase was doing and somehow I thought
it would say you know you really
shouldn't do this if there was a problem
with something coinbase was doing I
think this is a phenomenal hit by the
judge against the SEC here it's saying
look if you thought the entire business
model was illegal why would you end up
approving them to go public at all
but not only that they say they make a
comparison which I think is great I want
to find it here really quick but they
make a comparison to rightfully so to
the marijuana business uh and I don't
know that I can find it right now no it
doesn't look like the search function
works
uh but anyway that's fine so the
comparison to the marijuana business is
great because they say look
y'all the SEC have frequently the judge
is saying this you all have frequently
denied the listings of certain
businesses like marijuana businesses
because you've thought that the
businesses were potentially illegal
so why would you not do the same for
coinbase why would you approve them if
you're potentially alleging what they're
doing is not within the realm of the law
that was a pretty powerful point in this
uh which I could conveniently find ah I
got it yes listen to this
this is such a great line it's clear
that the commission has repeatedly
refused to review authorized
registration statements for companies
because of concerns about the legality
of the underlying business it has done
that repeatedly with cannabis companies
it did it repeatedly with betting
companies like online betting companies
and here the Securities registration is
the core competency of the agency
this is by the way a huge line it is a
huge line because the SEC or or the
judge is basically saying look
you all don't do cannabis for a living
well to the extent that that's your job
maybe you do cannabis but anyway that's
not your job uh and you don't do betting
is your job you do Securities for a job
so here you are saying that well we
don't know if we want to register your
business because it's an online betting
company or it's a cannabis business
yet you don't give that same kind of
opinion
for business that is going to
potentially sell Securities to retail
investors
listen to this slam right here this is a
smoker of a slam you ready for this
so the idea that the commission could
authorize the offer and sale of
coinbase's Securities to millions of
retail investors and then turn around
and flip flop and say oh sorry you're
running a completely illegal business
and it's not merely that an S1
registration provides the very platform
on being told violence or blah blah blah
anyway keeps going here so anyway
they could have finished the sentence
here a little bit better got cut off a
little bit here but they're trying to
make the argument that look how could
you flip-flop on people and say oh it's
okay to invest in coinbase oh but it's
not okay they're operating in a legal
business especially since that's your
core competency
fantastic line massive slam right here
from the judge big
big win for crypto right here not just
that though ready for this it gets fun
where is it here it is
all right there we go
so what do we have here
uh so
the court says
it was within the power of the SEC to
say look you guys need to register as a
Securities Exchange but you didn't do
that that was within your power but you
didn't do that in fact the judge says
quote I don't think anything stopped the
commission from doing it
and here we go
it's not crazy quote for a coinbase to
think that what they were doing was okay
because it was exactly what you let them
do when they issued their S1
that's the point I'm making you may say
that they and I are reading too much
into the S issuance of the S1 end quote
but basically
you can't flip-flop on people the way
you're doing it here because that's the
way it comes across to the investing
public
this is a big piece this was a fantastic
transcript now this is just a pre-motion
conference it doesn't mean anything in
terms of setting a precedent it doesn't
really do anything but it did set the
stage here for the sec's fight
and again even though it's a promotion
conference I have to say if if you're if
you're the attorneys for the SEC you
just got your work cut out for you the
judge basically set this set the stage
for you the judge wants the SEC to show
why
do you authorize a business essentially
in your mind selling securities to list
publicly on the New York Stock exchanger
NASDAQ wherever they're listed for
people to invest in
on one hand but then now on the other
hand sue them and suggest ah well you
know you you sell unregistered
Securities on your platform and
therefore we're coming after you
it's a little problematic so you've got
a lot of work to do here for the SEC
attorneys uh and and I I think this I
mean that's the point of these
pre-motion conferences is to really set
them up so I I don't want to make an
argument here that hey the SEC didn't
seem prepared or or whatever even though
it did feel like that a little bit in
this it's very likely that uh this this
is just it's so early stage that the SEC
is going to put together a much stronger
and compelling argument especially since
now the groundwork has been set but I
have to say from an outsider looking in
you can't really blame the judge for
what the judge is saying here and the
entire crypto industry is looking at
going I mean come on SCC
y'all kind of flip-flopping here and you
know people don't really like
flip-floppers
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