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A Judge JUST Destroyed the SEC on Crypto.

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you won't believe what the judge says in

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this crypto discussion with the SEC

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regarding the SEC coinbase lawsuit and

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what it potentially means for where all

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of this is going this is intense buckle

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up for this entire video because you're

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going to see some tense intense slams

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against the SC so we've got to talk a

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crypto earlier uh this week I posted

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well I guess that would be last week I

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posted a video discussing uh my thoughts

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on how potentially we could end up

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seeing a regulated crypto environment

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within the next year which those of you

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in Twitter space has reminded me could

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end up aligning with the uh Bitcoin

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housing and could end up being a really

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great setup for actually bringing crypto

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to a bullish environment rather than the

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crap everybody's been riding through

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over the last about 18 months it's been

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painful which is fantastic that hey

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there's light at the end of the tunnel

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now not only this but we've seen some

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sec acceptance of Bitcoin ETF

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applications suggesting that they're

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actually now processing these ETF

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applications which is also very bullish

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there is obviously the potential that

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all this bullishness on regulation is

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potentially over hyping some valuations

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which once then we actually get clear

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regulation maybe and ironically that

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means you see a sell down as speculators

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get out but others counter off for that

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and say hey well if speculators get out

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that's okay it'll be offset by

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institutions and Pension funds who can

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now much more readily invest into crypto

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so this is all fantastic news well we've

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got a little bit of an update here on

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the SEC versus coinbase we've got a

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pre-motion conference between the judge

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and the plaintiffs and defendants and

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some of the commentary from the judge is

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quite frankly

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fascinating and I'm going to go through

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some pieces of that commentary now so

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first what I think is really incredible

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uh is this discussion about uh whether

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the SEC at all has jurisdiction uh over

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uh uh you know coinbase in terms of

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their crypto offerings but not just that

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specifically how they determine what's a

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security and whatnot and we've all heard

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this before the Howie test see look at

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this here the simple answer your honor

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about whether or not something is a

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security or not is the Howie analysis

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and what I think is interesting here

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about the Howie analysis is that they

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reference uh this idea that look we

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potentially look at what outside

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industry forces use there's a particular

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Council that they refer to here it is

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look at this

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I'm going to read you this segment here

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individuals or companies to determine

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whether a crypto asset is a security

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need to do an analysis of crypto assets

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that they have allowed to trade on their

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platform or those that they have issued

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we see that the industry does this they

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have created I believe they call it the

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CRC or crypto rating Council where there

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is an where there are a number of Market

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participants that have gotten together

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these are like your public it used to be

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block fi and other companies coinbase uh

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where a number of Market participants

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have gotten together and they create

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what they call a scorecard and then they

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use a Howie analysis as part of that

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scorecard to determine how risky their

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crypto assets are in terms of uh you

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know sort of a scale of zero to five on

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what the odds are that something's going

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to be considered a security and so

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you've got this sort of build up of this

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discussion here where the SEC is saying

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look the industries already themselves

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trying to figure out hey is something a

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security or not which is fantastic

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because you're seeing the industry is

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showing it wants to follow the law I

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think this is a great setup for crypto

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on a regulatory basis a great and

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fantastic setup and follows what I was

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initially not very optimistic about but

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have become more optimistic about the

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I've read through the ruling for uh the

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Ripple case again after I last talked

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about it last week it it reads better

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the more often you read it it doesn't

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feel like the strongest ruling but it's

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definitely great news uh for uh for the

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crypto community and I think the Judge

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has a point not to call it a security I

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think the Judge is right on if anything

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would be much more of a commodity than a

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security and what's beautiful about that

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is gets the SEC away from some of these

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offerings more you get the SEC away uh

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generally the less pressure you seem to

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have uh especially since the cftc seems

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to be a little bit uh less aggressive

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than the SEC but take a look look at

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this this I thought was really

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incredible

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in this you start having an argument

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about the S1 the S1 is your initial

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regulatory filing to say look we want to

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take a company public like coinbase and

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here the SEC argues that the S1 is about

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disclosures and just because we let the

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coinbase the company coinbase go public

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doesn't mean we approved of their entire

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business they say here the S1 is about

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disclosures but I don't have everything

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in front of me we can fully brief all of

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the legal and factual implications that

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go in regarding an S one filing but

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there is no way an approval of an S1 is

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a blessing of the company's entire

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business

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and remember that any kind of really

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filing with the SEC is generally a way

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of the SEC saying look we just want to

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make sure everybody's following the same

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format providing the right information

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to investors to evaluate those

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businesses so initially I thought okay I

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mean that's the argument I would expect

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the SEC to make here but what I thought

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is really interesting here

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is that listen to this

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so we get the court so the judge saying

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this

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but I would have thought that the

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commission was doing diligence into what

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coinbase was doing and somehow I thought

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it would say you know you really

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shouldn't do this if there was a problem

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with something coinbase was doing I

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think this is a phenomenal hit by the

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judge against the SEC here it's saying

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look if you thought the entire business

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model was illegal why would you end up

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approving them to go public at all

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but not only that they say they make a

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comparison which I think is great I want

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to find it here really quick but they

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make a comparison to rightfully so to

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the marijuana business uh and I don't

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know that I can find it right now no it

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doesn't look like the search function

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works

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uh but anyway that's fine so the

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comparison to the marijuana business is

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great because they say look

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y'all the SEC have frequently the judge

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is saying this you all have frequently

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denied the listings of certain

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businesses like marijuana businesses

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because you've thought that the

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businesses were potentially illegal

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so why would you not do the same for

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coinbase why would you approve them if

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you're potentially alleging what they're

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doing is not within the realm of the law

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that was a pretty powerful point in this

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uh which I could conveniently find ah I

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got it yes listen to this

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this is such a great line it's clear

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that the commission has repeatedly

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refused to review authorized

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registration statements for companies

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because of concerns about the legality

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of the underlying business it has done

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that repeatedly with cannabis companies

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it did it repeatedly with betting

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companies like online betting companies

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and here the Securities registration is

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the core competency of the agency

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this is by the way a huge line it is a

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huge line because the SEC or or the

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judge is basically saying look

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you all don't do cannabis for a living

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well to the extent that that's your job

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maybe you do cannabis but anyway that's

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not your job uh and you don't do betting

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is your job you do Securities for a job

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so here you are saying that well we

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don't know if we want to register your

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business because it's an online betting

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company or it's a cannabis business

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yet you don't give that same kind of

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opinion

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for business that is going to

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potentially sell Securities to retail

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investors

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listen to this slam right here this is a

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smoker of a slam you ready for this

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so the idea that the commission could

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authorize the offer and sale of

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coinbase's Securities to millions of

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retail investors and then turn around

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and flip flop and say oh sorry you're

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running a completely illegal business

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and it's not merely that an S1

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registration provides the very platform

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on being told violence or blah blah blah

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anyway keeps going here so anyway

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they could have finished the sentence

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here a little bit better got cut off a

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little bit here but they're trying to

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make the argument that look how could

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you flip-flop on people and say oh it's

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okay to invest in coinbase oh but it's

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not okay they're operating in a legal

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business especially since that's your

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core competency

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fantastic line massive slam right here

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from the judge big

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big win for crypto right here not just

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that though ready for this it gets fun

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where is it here it is

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all right there we go

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so what do we have here

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uh so

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the court says

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it was within the power of the SEC to

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say look you guys need to register as a

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Securities Exchange but you didn't do

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that that was within your power but you

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didn't do that in fact the judge says

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quote I don't think anything stopped the

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commission from doing it

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and here we go

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it's not crazy quote for a coinbase to

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think that what they were doing was okay

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because it was exactly what you let them

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do when they issued their S1

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that's the point I'm making you may say

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that they and I are reading too much

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into the S issuance of the S1 end quote

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but basically

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you can't flip-flop on people the way

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you're doing it here because that's the

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way it comes across to the investing

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public

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this is a big piece this was a fantastic

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transcript now this is just a pre-motion

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conference it doesn't mean anything in

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terms of setting a precedent it doesn't

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really do anything but it did set the

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stage here for the sec's fight

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and again even though it's a promotion

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conference I have to say if if you're if

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you're the attorneys for the SEC you

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just got your work cut out for you the

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judge basically set this set the stage

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for you the judge wants the SEC to show

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why

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do you authorize a business essentially

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in your mind selling securities to list

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publicly on the New York Stock exchanger

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NASDAQ wherever they're listed for

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people to invest in

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on one hand but then now on the other

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hand sue them and suggest ah well you

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know you you sell unregistered

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Securities on your platform and

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therefore we're coming after you

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it's a little problematic so you've got

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a lot of work to do here for the SEC

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attorneys uh and and I I think this I

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mean that's the point of these

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pre-motion conferences is to really set

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them up so I I don't want to make an

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argument here that hey the SEC didn't

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seem prepared or or whatever even though

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it did feel like that a little bit in

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this it's very likely that uh this this

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is just it's so early stage that the SEC

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is going to put together a much stronger

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and compelling argument especially since

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now the groundwork has been set but I

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have to say from an outsider looking in

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you can't really blame the judge for

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what the judge is saying here and the

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entire crypto industry is looking at

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going I mean come on SCC

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y'all kind of flip-flopping here and you

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know people don't really like

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flip-floppers

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