How Elites Will Create a New Class of Slaves | Whitney Webb | The Glenn Beck Podcast | Ep 162

a campaign of Lies can hide anything and

with the magic of disinformation

mysterious deaths can be quickly brushed

off as suicides even when all of the

details don't add up and there's so many

stories now that just don't add up

public assassinations can happen right

in front of you and you'll never know

who was really behind it or why as long

as the powers that be push a great

narrative the same lie over and over and

over again

Jeffrey Epstein infiltrated the highest

ranks of every sector of power you are

going to learn a lot about the world

today he was into law enforcement art

Wall Street Silicon Valley big business

real estate philanthropy media academics

and banking he even wormed his way into

high fashion he hung out with Nobel

prize-winning scientists and billionaire

arms dealers movie directors famous

actors journalists and lots of

politicians including heads of state not

just here in America and he has a very

special bond with Bill and Hillary

Clinton

we still don't know who took part in his

many crimes and they are vast this is

nothing short of political terrorism

theater facilitated by the media

today's guest as you will hear

I just finished it and you will hear

halfway through

I say maybe it's halfway through I said

I think this is the most important hour

I have ever been a part of in broadcast

I've done this for 45 years this is the

most important person and hour

you can you can spend

today's guest has a gift for locating

power and hunting it in its darkest

corners she realized that Epstein was

not an anonymous an anomaly she is

somebody who has written two volumes on

just him but you will see it is

connected to entire networks of power

and influence a web of Elites who

operate under the principle that rules

are for other people her two-volume book

One Nation Under blackmail the sordid

Union between intelligence and crime

that gave rise to Jeffrey Epstein is out

keep your eye on this one she is sharp

she is a massive threat to powerful

people if people will listen and do

their own homework and just explore what

she's saying

the game is up

she's the kind of writer

who reminds the elites that they're not

actually above rules and we're not all a

bunch of Rubes

please welcome Whitney Webb

I can't wait to get into this podcast

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welcome I am a huge fan of your work

um uh you have covered some of the most

important stories I think

um in my lifetime wow thank you and you

are so clear on all of them and most of

these stories are the ones you can't get

answers on they're they're all the

stories that the big and powerful want

to hide want you to not see what's

really going on and it's

it's so frustrating because it's clear

that these things are happening and

should be discussed you you worried ever

about

your safety

um no and the reason I say that is

because I think you know

um a lot of what we're facing is an

energetic and spiritual uh battle I

guess you could say and

um I think in order you know if you're

afraid of of these people yeah

um you're giving them power over you and

I think really the only way to to win

this is to have your commitment to you

know what you're fighting for the good

about Humanity to be total right so good

for you

how old are you uh 33. you you write and

think and speak like you're 80 and very

wise thank you you must have a good

parents

um okay so I want to talk to you if we

can in an hour I want to mention Bitcoin

get a little bit of that journalism

transhumanism ESG the world economic

Forum we're not going to be able to get

to all of it but we have to start with

Jeffrey Epstein because the way you have

written about him it connects to a whole

world of corruption yeah is he kind of

the Rosetta Stone

yeah I think it's sort of like a meta

Scandal you're looking at someone who

really had I guess for lack of a better

metaphor had his hands and a lot of Pies

right right so he was sort of at the

center of a lot of scandals but not

necessarily at the top right I think he

was more maybe middle management in a

sense but very Central to a lot of these

things going on that sort of these um

networks in which he

um in which he inhabits are involved in

you know numerous acts of corruption

simultaneously and he you know is there

involved in many of them but not

necessarily at the top level right

so was he was he a spy

I think he definitely had intelligence

connections and there's a lot

um you know to suggest that was the case

I think one of the most uh the earliest

hints we heard of that was having a

Secretary of Labor Alex Acosta under

Trump uh say that one of the reasons he

was pressured into giving Epstein a

sweetheart deal during his first um

arrest in in Florida was because he he

had been told by unspecified actors that

Epstein belonged to intelligence but

that's kind of you know what exactly

does that mean was he an asset was he on

the payroll which intelligence agency

multiple intelligence agencies when you

have his close association with someone

like Gillian Maxwell in the mix and her

father had affiliations with numerous

intelligence agencies you know it really

is an open question it was kind of a bad

guy

reading your work about him and explain

who he was uh so Robert Maxwell was

involved in many things but he

definitely played a major role in

undermining U.S national security by

selling bug software to nuclear

Laboratories in the United States and

this was directly facilitated by

well-known Statesmen in U.S history like

Henry Kissinger for example and a lot of

the people I think that enabled him at

least on the U.S side tend to be those

that uh

favor Global governance and you know

they kind of don't want the U.S to have

that kind of Monopoly on on power

because all of his family they were

killed in the Holocaust right right and

so he he's in the west England he

survives becomes

kind of uh William Randolph Hearst of

England yeah media Mogul sure yeah

um and uh and then

betrays the west and that's not because

he was on the other he wasn't on the

Soviet side he was on a global

government side well I think there you

have to look at this network and they've

evolved over time right uh Robert

Maxwell is very close to the Eastern

Bloc he had a very close relationship

with intelligence figures in the KGB and

also Bulgaria he had a relationship with

British intelligence and Israeli

intelligence and was involved in aspects

of what later became known as Iran

Contra which of course involves aspects

of U.S intelligence so I mean he had his

hands and everything you know everywhere

and everything and I think ultimately

people like him are interested in any

deal they can make to advance their

money and their power and their

influence they'll take it so Robert

Maxwell was very interested in having

his family be like the Kennedy family a

political power Dynasty and that's part

of why he started moving into New York

City around you know just a year or two

before he ended up dying and galane

Maxwell was sent to New York sort of to

be his Emissary wow and to the U.S and

he wanted her actually to marry a

Kennedy and this is a test of two and

you know past mainstream media reports

and you know you can see his his efforts

to get her close to I think one of the

sons of Robert F Kennedy

um and also John F Kennedy Jr trying to

get her sort of in that social

tier because he sort of saw that as you

know would Advance his power and also

you know that of his children and I

think if you look a lot at the

psychology of Robert Maxwell he seems to

have had narcissistic elements and that

could be because of the trauma of his

past and a lot of times narcissistic

parents see their children as extensions

of themselves and so you know he's

looking at how to build an Empire and

using his children to that effect and

you sort of see that with the psychology

of Colleen Maxwell

was she

part and parcel of from the beginning or

was she uh you know kind of a good girl

idealistic comes over here you know

knows that Dad wants to put her into

powerful positions but not shopping

women I I think it's a lot more

complicated than that you have to look

at her early history

um the favorite son of Robert Maxwell

was originally Michael Maxwell he wasn't

a vegetative state after a car crash I

think when he was 15 and that happened

shortly after just a few days after

galane was born so new her family

members and she herself have attested to

that she was basically neglected for the

first three years of her life and even

developed a childhood anorexia

things like that and then you know not a

few years after she becomes the favorite

Child so she goes from having this

complete lack of Parental attention to

being sort of showered in it by Robert

Maxwell and that obviously has is going

to have a psychological impact on

someone

and in addition there's uh she was

basically

managed by her father from a very early

age he managed her tried to manage her

romantic life he tried to manage what

job she would have and she was very

dependent on him so when he is dead in

1991 it makes sense that she would

attach herself to someone with a lot of

the similar similar characteristics

right so Dad didn't know about Jeffrey

Epstein wasn't alive at that point well

the allegation have been made by people

that worked with Robert Maxwell

um in the 80s that Jeffrey Epstein was

seen in his offices frequently in the

United Kingdom and during that period of

time it was known that Epstein was

active in the United Kingdom he was

allegedly being mentored by a British

arms dealer named Douglas lease with a

British intelligence connections yeah

first of all you wrote two volumes yeah

a thousand Pages yeah I mean that is

crazy amounts of work yeah I had my son

was born in the middle of it so it was

really crazy you were there for that I

imagine when your son was born

um so tell me

a thousand pages and it's not there's no

fluff in it I mean it is it's dense it's

very dense

why is it nobody else is reporting on

this

um well I guess I could I I don't really

know exactly why that would be but the

the silence is very eerie about major

aspects of the Epstein case

um you know it ended up being a thousand

Pages because I was as I was writing

about Epstein a lot of the connections

that came up I was I was just you know

increasingly aware that a lot of people

in the American public

um you know a lot of the names I was

coming across most people weren't going

to be familiar with correct you know um

Banks like the bank of credit and

commerce International or BCCI the

Scandal that involved or even things

like Iran Contra people may have heard

the name but don't really know what it

involved so I figured I was gonna have

to go back and sort of explain that to

people so that type of context is a

volume one of the book and um and also

the history of sexual blackmail and how

it's been sort of an undercurrent in

some past political scandals in American

history and how in in these sorts of

networks in which Epstein was inhabiting

that type of practice and exploitation

even of minors for those purposes was

actually

um disturbingly common so Epstein starts

to look less and less of a you know he's

not an anomaly basically right

um by the time you get through with

volume one and so volume two is sort of

my effort to

um you know dig up as much as I could

you know with stuff that's publicly

available really about Epstein and also

his greatest benefactor Leslie Wexner

and then also uh you know Colleen

Maxwell okay so so uh this is just

there's a lot to discuss there's a lot

to discuss here on just this because

it's this goes to the Deep state or you

call it deep politics

and it's been going on for a long time

but people I don't think realize

that you know the born identity you know

those Jason Bourne movies that that is a

reflection of some people's real lives I

mean it's a it's a totally fictitious

story but those things do go on and

and I I I tell you I have I have felt

for a long time with the just with the

NSA listening to everybody's phone calls

if you're important in Washington

they're going to do everything they can

to manage you to manage you yeah so if

you're not rock solid in who you are and

what right and wrong really is they got

you yeah

but even they don't you know today I

think we've moved away from the type of

model that Epstein used for sexual

blackmail it's an era of electronic

blackmail and you don't even have to do

anything wrong they can just plant it on

your devices and play gotcha that way so

it's really an unprecedented situation

and a lot of these intelligence agencies

as I know in the book you know really

for decades have been totally out of

control

um and you know I really start off the

book talking about how intelligence

agencies and organized crime in the U.S

got in bed together and really that

symbiosis

um you know it was originally Justified

out of wartime necessity during World

War II yeah but it never stopped right

right and it's um you know business is

business and some of these people in our

own National Security State you know

realize they could make a lot of money

working with organized crime and really

shielding them and getting in on the

spoils I guess you could say

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you know we think of

in my idealistic years of thinking about

America I thought well we did some bad

things yes and I'm not talking about

slavery or anything else I'm talking

about things we did in war but we had

you know

we really didn't want to do those things

I'm not sure if any of that is true are

the people involved in this stuff do

they recognize at all that this is evil

or is this just business well I think

when you're talking about an

intelligence agencies there's

hierarchies so there's like people maybe

low in different levels that may think

what they're doing is right and

advancing American interests but then

there's people at the top that aren't

necessarily like that and it's about

advancing their own interests if you

look at a lot of controversial

intelligence operations and decisions

coups for example of the past a lot of

it was justified as going against

communist influence trying to to keep

that from growing but then some of these

same actors

like the Iran Contra types they ended up

getting involved with the Chinese

government just a few years later in the

1990s and some of this blossomed into

what a lot of conservatives today

remember is China Gate during the client

Administration and things like that so

you know they really have no allegiance

to anything except uh their desire to

grow their own money and power

are we ever going to find out who's in

the black book

I don't think so I think the FBI has

been compromised from the very beginning

uh in the book I talk a lot about J

Edgar Hoover he was blackmailed by the

mob he realized the power blackmail had

started using blackmail himself and you

know increasingly the FBI and I think

it's very obvious to a lot of

conservatives now comes in to cover

things up and to you know go after uh

you know figures that they you know

don't want to advance in their careers

or you know any sort of thing it's it's

very um it's very complicated so what do

we do as a country when you know there

needs to be massive investigations of

all sorts of stuff Jeffrey Epstein being

one and you know the government is

increasingly capable incapable of

investigating itself especially when

you're looking at the FBI or something

can we just go through some names like

Alan dershowitz and Bill Clinton and

Donald Trump

what were they involved in

uh so

um so each of those cases is really

different but if I'm looking at you know

I guess the one that's gotten the mo

gotten the most attention obviously are

the former presidents right Trump and

Clinton as far as I'm concerned the

Clinton Epstein relationship is much

more damaging than the Trump Epstein

relationship but they're you know are

obvious reasons for concern uh in both

of them and I don't think it's uh you

know I in in trying to be objective you

know I can't absolve one or the other

but are you saying are you saying

because one is more damage because

people don't understand it's not just

the horrific evil sex trafficking that

was going on it's also massive

corruption and financial Financial

crimes and yeah and that's particularly

glaring with the Epstein Clinton

relationship you have someone like

Jeffrey Epstein that described himself

in the 80s as a financial Bounty Hunter

he was hiding or finding looted money

for powerful people that's coming from

him and he said this to numerous people

there's numerous source is attesting to

this so obviously he was very

comfortable with the offshore Financial

system Shadow Banking and all of that

and then in the late 80s in addition to

becoming involved with Leslie wexner's

finances he is involved in orchestrating

one of the largest Ponzi schemes in U.S

history the other person he worked with

in that Stephen hoffenberg you know is

arrested and goes to jail for that in

1993 Epstein's name is dropped from the

case and he ends up at Clinton White

House fundraisers

and one of those fundraisers is involved

Hillary Clinton's effort to alleged

effort to refurbish the White House and

this makes a brief appearance and Vince

Fosters quote unquote suicide note the

only mention of Hillary Clinton in that

suicide note is relating to her and

khaki Hawker Smith redecorating and how

there was nothing wrong with the

finances there if you're

um you know listeners are familiar with

the Vince Foster situation and how

Hillary Clinton her office was involved

in finding the suicide not when there

was nothing in the briefcase and all of

that later it's very interesting the

only mention of her name would be in

trying to absolve that particular

fundraiser of you know any wrongdoing

which might have been Foster's

responsibility and that's Jeffrey

Epstein's you know one of his first

interactions with the white house

there's a picture of him shaking hands

with Bill Clinton at that fundraiser

donor reception and only UK media

covered that when it came out last

December I gotta tell you it's pretty

stunning I only see stuff that I kind of

trust from UK now I read any if there's

any scandal going on in America I trust

the Foreign Press more than I trust

Harper well isn't it stunning that

there's a picture of you know the claim

has been for a long time that the

Epstein Clinton relationship only really

began after Clinton left office and then

you have a picture contradicting that

and it doesn't get any coverage so how

does there's something else there

obviously I was shocked to learn from

you that

Ron Brown I I remember he was a guy who

was on a plane going someplace Croatia

yeah Croatia and it crashed and and

everybody was like that's another

Clinton murder and I've never really

bought into the I mean you wouldn't have

to push me far but I'm a fact guy you

know what I mean yeah show me the facts

um

unravel to understand the Ron Brown

situation because it's tied up with that

what I mentioned earlier China Gate

which was uh very difficult even for

Congress to investigate the man at the

center of it who was also the man that

Jeffrey Epstein met with repeatedly at

the White House named Mark Middleton he

pleaded the fifth 28 times including uh

to the question is was he a foreign

agent

and pretty much every key figure they

tried to subpoena also pleaded the fifth

and there was just um you know it was

very difficult to investigate and even

the George W Bush Administration the

first invocation of executive privilege

of Bush's president was among other

things to block documents about Mark

Middleton being made available to

Congress and the 911 happens and

everyone forgets wow it's it's very

amazing because Mark Middleton was not a

high-ranking guy

he was uh an aide to uh Mac McLarty he

was chief of staff and then a senior

advisor to Bill Clinton

so why are you having the subsequent

president stepping in for Mark Middleton

there's obviously a lot going on there

because at the same time that Mark

Middleton is involved in China Gate he's

meeting with Jeffrey Epstein and Jeffrey

Epstein in that period of time is

arranging for the relocation of Southern

Air transport the Iran-Contra Airline

from instead of going from Miami to

Latin America it starts going from

Columbus Ohio where Leslie Wexner is

based to Hong Kong

so are those events connected I make a

case for that in the book and if if true

it's very very disconcerting because

basically you know to summarize China

Gate you have a mass transfer of

sensitive U.S military technology being

made to China it's being paid for by the

pla or the the Chinese military and Ron

Brown was at the center of that because

the Commerce Department Commerce

Department was signing off on you know

all sorts of so why was he then

supposedly killed he uh shortly before

he was unexpectedly asked to go on a

trade mission to Croatia he agreed to

cooperate with an investigation into

this particular Network that was

executing China Gate and the people on

the U.S side that were facilitating

China Gate were people that were

connected to the networks of longtime

Clinton benefactors the riyadi family

and Jackson Stevens who you know were

sort of political King makers for Bill

Clinton when he was governor of Arkansas

it's how much crazy how much of what we

think we know

is wrong or how big of a role is what we

think we know to what really is

happening well I think there's been a

major effort to control the media and

how much information gets to the

American public about all sorts of

things if you look at the Epstein case

you're only allowed to talk about his

sex crimes from 2000 to 2006. don't look

at his financial crimes or any of the

thing he did before the year 2000 is you

know pretty much how mainstream media

handles the case and that's pretty

you know there's a lot to find if you

can go back farther so when you're

you're looking let's just look at

Epstein for a second when you're looking

at his circle of influence

he is

somebody who's kind of recruiting just

getting people on tape doing horrible

things or raising money so they're in

the pocket right is that kind of his

role I think that's part of it but at

the same time you know he's doing a lot

of that he's also involved in financial

Crim you know Financial crimes pretty

much throughout his career I mean that's

the Common Thread from Epstein from the

70s right until his son know that if he

was working as an operation that would

kind of be over I think it was known I

mean even in January 2020 you have John

McCain's wife Cindy McCain saying we all

knew what Epstein was doing right and

this is the wife of a senator with no

direct connection to the Epstein Scandal

so that means top people in our Congress

and Senate knew what Epstein was up to

and nothing was done and so does that I

mean is there a big body count

around Epstein yeah I think yeah I think

there is to an extent uh Mark Middleton

who I just mentioned was found uh hung

by the neck by an extension cord in May

with a shotgun wound to the chest

um and it was ruled suicide in Little

Rock Arkansas and a local Court ruled uh

pretty shortly thereafter that no video

or you know photos of the scene could be

publicly released

and this was only after you know Mark

Middleton had been involved in China

getting numerous other scandals but that

only happened just a few months after

the visitor logs of him meeting with

Epstein was released last December and

published by the UK's Daily Mail

so that's one but that's one recently

you also have Jean-Luc Burnell who was a

major uh facilitator of his uh sex

trafficking activities particularly when

it came to the modeling industry

um Turned Up dead in his prison cell

you've Epstein himself and then you have

uh the son of Esther Salas who was a the

judge overseeing the Epstein Deutsche

Bank case murdered at uh her home

let's not just gloss over Epstein and

his death

do you believe

he hung himself I think the official

story is just uh I mean it's it's crazy

uh personally because you know he he was

a tall guy he's supposed to have hung

himself from something that's shorter

than his standing height with like paper

thin sheets he would have had to curl up

in the fetal position to hang himself

and he's you're not going to do that

it's it's very uh it's logistically

impossible we're supposed to leave all

the cameras malfunctioned that night

um you know the prison guards were

asleep it's a lot of coincidences

um so who would who who would we have to

believe

I mean that would have to involve

lots of government Lots sure but he

belonged to intelligence and if you look

at you know someone like Robert Maxwell

he died off of his yacht uh he had a lot

of ties to intelligence things were you

know the walls were closing in on him

and his own daughter Elaine Maxwell

thinks he was murdered uh by uh Rogue

massage agents and Sicilian contract

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I don't believe in the pizza gate

conspiracy you know that there's an

underground however

I I do think that there is

real evil at the upper levels that yeah

we've been engaging in and all of us

dupes out in the center of the country

are like oh no you know I how much how

prevalent is the massive corruption and

the evil with

well like I mentioned earlier the more

you look at the people that were around

Epstein even before Epstein gets

involved it becomes very clear that what

he was doing was not uh out of the

ordinary for these particular groups

especially like arms dealers like Adnan

khashoggi he had an alleged Harem of

women that he used to Blackmail powerful

people in the private and public sectors

on his yacht and all their sorts of

types of people

um Robert Keith Gray a PR executive that

started working for Adnan khashoggi

around the same time at Jeffrey Epstein

allegedly did has an alleged history of

sexual blackmail for the CIA and then

you have allegations of Roy Cohn the

well-known New York mob attorney also

being involved in sexual blackmail stuff

begins working for Adnan khashoggi in

the same period of time in the 1980s I

mean there are the more you look it's

it's quite uh it's prevalent but you

know how prevalent it is I can't really

say but it definitely does influence our

politics and that's disturbing is the is

the Clinton Foundation involved in any

of this it's just so

um I don't know exactly

um you know those types of activities I

have no evidence for that and I haven't

looked into it so I'm not going to say

it's not happening but I I just don't

know because I haven't looked right um

but when you like I mentioned earlier

about the Epstein Clinton relationship

he goes from Ponzi schemes to Clinton

fundraising then he's involved with a

lot of the 1996 controversial

fundraisers that were investigated by

Congress Clinton leaves office he's

flying around in Epstein's plane setting

up the Clinton foundation and the

Clinton Health Access initiative and

even credits Jeffrey Epstein back in

2003 with designing a lot of the

philanthropy that became the Clinton

Foundation specifically the HIV aids

program so you have a Serial Financial

criminal creating basically the Clinton

political slush fund Pro post presidency

the the um have you seen any connections

in Ukraine

there's this is just the hotbed of a lot

of really

nefarious players yeah um I haven't

looked into it specifically because a

lot of my timeline that I did for the

book you know stops before years like

2014 when there was this you know

basically a coup

um you know it was Victoria Newland and

some of these people from the Obama

Administration and all of that um so

unfortunately you know I haven't

personally explored that but I think

it's I mean even mainstream media before

the recent uh conflict there was you

know pretty open about the corruption in

in Ukraine so I don't know your politics

and it's not important to me what's

important to me is your character and

your work which is phenomenal

um

but uh

uh I'm guessing you and I don't

necessarily agree on policies uh you

know maybe I don't know I just you know

at this point I think my politics are

I'm I don't want the government to be

run by organized crime and I think

that's the starting point for most

Americans let's start there right you

know that's what I was driving to is

there are big things on the table that

no one's talking about and we're all

focused on the little stuff they've used

to divide and conquer us this whole time

and big things are happening and

basically we are being herded into a pen

a techno feudalism yes slavery I don't

know a lot of there's a lot of different

names for it going around but it's not

good right and it's organized crime you

know running the show at the highest

levels and also people I mean yeah it's

just getting so dark and yeah you know

I'm to the point where can you give me

nine of the top ten Bill of Rights you

know what I mean do you agree with those

give me some anything that is

all being destroyed all of them they

don't mean anything anymore but those

are the things that can bring us

together and they do I mean I'm sure

you're called a radical conspiracy

theorist

um

you know there's a difference between

conspiracy theory and conspiracy facts

sure so I would call you

conspiracy fact purveyor yeah uh I guess

so because conspiracy is a real crime

and it's happening and it's been

happening right and um you know a lot of

us are sort of fed this you know when

we're in school and stuff sort of this

naive I guess you could call it a fairy

tale version of History where there's no

corruption everything's fine the mob

disappeared decades ago nothing to see

here but that's uh not the real history

of this country tell me before we leave

Epstein tell me why uh

Maxwell's

the life oh oh I think it's pretty

obvious she's going to cooperate with

the people that supported that operation

and she's not going to spill anything

she got moved from the prison where I

think she was at the same prison where

Epstein died and now she's a what is has

been described as a country club prison

in Florida

uh that wouldn't have happened unless

she was like yeah just leave me alone

please I'll do whatever you want

all right let's let's uh I think she

knows from her father's death who not

true and who runs the show yeah

um how does this involve the regular

person why should the regular person

care about this kind of corruption

um in just talking about Epstein the

financial crimes uh they're very

significant and are just sort of a

microcosm of what has basically been the

Looting of the American public for

decades you look at people like

Catherine Austin Fitz and Mark Skidmore

who have calculated about 21 trillion

dollars of U.S taxpayer money that's

just gone missing uh from from the house

of Urban Development and the Department

of Defense right

it's probably more than that where is it

being

where'd he go where'd it go yeah who

took it I remember and it's still

happening and now we're having uh the

standard of life in the US being

degraded inflation's increasing the

squeeze is on thanks to Manufactured

food and energy crises and I think a lot

of the stuff we're seeing being built

for us people are currently perhaps

unwilling to accept but when they're

cold and hungry and desperate you're

exactly right I think that some people

will be more willing

you're not improving my mood much

well you know it's um we have to

understand what we're facing in order to

you know solve it right and a lot of

people with it I've been bringing this

bell for

uh almost 20 years now and saying wake

up pay attention look what's happening

and it just keeps getting more and more

obvious and

at times there are times you just like I

how do you deal with it

um well I'm a mother

um and I just uh I have to keep going I

don't know I have to keep saying

something because my kids are going to

live in this world right and there are

certain things that I just find

unacceptable and I think every parent

yeah proudly does at this point so you

know it doesn't really matter anymore

um and I think also if you're looking at

this from like the energetic spiritual

level it matter you know

um we have to keep fighting because

what's the alternative and what does

that mean for us even after we're gone

yeah right

so let me you know I first ran into you

um and your work I don't remember where

I saw you but you were talking about

transhumanism and this is something that

again I I think I was talking about this

in the 90s and saying that's been going

on a long time for a long time and

saying that this is what it life is

going to head towards and it's not good

and we should probably have a

conversation now you know we are on the

verge of this this is happening it it

could be faster than ever yeah yeah it

could happen 20 25 30 35 it's here now

yeah

explain what transhumanism is and why it

is so dangerous yeah so I'll just uh

probably start with the history of it um

so there was a man named Julian Huxley

he's the brother of the famous author

Aldous Huxley he was president of the

British Eugenics Society the United

Nations has created

um after World War II he is put in

charge of UNESCO

in writing his vision for UNESCO Julian

Huxley says about Eugenics we need to

make the unthinkable thinkable again ten

years later he coins the term

transhumanism in a book did he read his

brother's work

um I'm sure actually that Aldous

huxley's work was influenced by the type

of social milieu he inhabited it would

include his his brother and uh you know

sort of that those intellectual circles

uh where both of them grew up right you

know this is the British aristocracy and

really a lot of the idea of eugenics

going back to Francis Galton and you

know Darwinism and all of that he seems

to sort of emanate from from their

Fabian socialists yes yes

um so in in a book in 1957 I believe

called new bottles for new wine

something like that Julian Huxley coins

the terms transhumanism and talks about

how the new Eugenics is going to be

merging man with machine

so this is basically Eugenics rebranded

and a lot of people that funded Eugenics

causes of the past like the Rockefeller

family or you know big proponents of

transhumanism today and it's it's

getting uh increasingly problematic

um I would say you know if you look for

example at the new head of the FDA who

very few people have bothered to look

into Robert Calif he's the former Google

Health executive Google Health has a

joint venture with GlaxoSmithKline

called galvani bioelectronics I think

the former head of that was monster of

silaui who was in charge of operation

warp speed and their focus is what they

call bioelectronic medicine which is uh

you know injectable

nanotechnology that can manipulate your

central nervous system what are the

implications of that we have the person

that just purchased Twitter making a

brain chip company he's also a major

contractor to the US military he has a

major conflict of interest with a

Chinese

Silicon Valley equivalents like 10 cent

um and you know he says

I love this he says that's one of the

reasons why I want to get off the planet

he says his work is to find a way to a

compete against the transhumanistic you

know Folly

um uh you don't believe that at all I

don't I don't buy it no if you look at

that company they had animal trials many

of them of the monkeys that was tested

and died after the brain chip was put in

if that were my company I would

reformulate everything or shut it down

if it was going to kill that many

animals but it's already moved into

human trials I mean even though it's

killing all the monkeys well it killed

many monkeys yeah I forget the exact

number but a significant portion it's

see I this is where it gets frightening

well it's tied up with depopulation

right you have this being sort of the

new uh path of eugenics and so you know

I don't think these people ultimately

care about you know how many people are

left right smart and right well Eugenics

is you

I mean well people like to act like

Eugenics disappeared and it hasn't it's

just rebranded and if you look at the

history it's it's very clear and it's

very disconcerting that's why everything

you're seeing that is coming out of

policy all over the world ever all of

the all of the world economic forums

seem so the the medically assisted death

originally it was going to be for

terminally ill people now people are

pitching it to homeless people in Canada

saying you're too poor to live do you

want to kill yourself

um how do we not remember what happened

last time

well I think some of these people you

look at the Rockefellers they funded

what happened last time yeah

a lot of that uh money that was used to

set up the Nazi Eugenics program came

from the Rockefeller foundation and

that's a matter of record they've tried

to go back and say oh we're sorry but

they're funding a lot of this stuff now

okay so

um I think you're getting the impression

that maybe

maybe you should prepare maybe you

should help with a parallel economy

we may not be too far away from being

able to undo some of the damage that has

been done

but it's going to take all of us doing

our part

we got a vote we have to stand for the

truth

we have to be a little bit more like our

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you've read IBM in the Holocaust I

haven't read it but I'm familiar with

the relationship so

um he's a good dear friend of mine and

uh you know it's the same thing it's the

same thing now giant corporations are in

bed with all of this stuff and uh

someday they'll be hiding it and go no

no we didn't do anything with that but I

don't know if I don't think they even

have to now I mean if it really gets the

transhumanist point and they can just

manipulate

um you know this is an attempt to

manipulate Consciousness yes really

really so in memory and all of that I

mean they don't have to even bother with

it anymore uh once it gets to that point

I talked to Ray Kurzweil once and and I

said you put the nanotech note just help

me out here Ray I'm a science fiction

writer

you put the nanotechnology into me and

you control it not me you control it and

I start speaking out about things that

you and the powerful don't like why

don't you just turn me off why don't you

just oh you know what

and all that nanotechnology and I just

die

sure and his response was

because we wouldn't do that yeah let's

trust us how has that gone for the you

know past hundred years or so right and

if organized crime are the people in

charge are you going to trust them I

mean they want us to trust in them if

you look at the world economic Forum or

even in the bite Administration and a

lot of their policy documents they're

one of their main focuses on our

rebuilding trust with the public and

it's not working yeah it's not but they

may be looking at drastic interventions

to make it work and I think you know if

we're transhumanism to uh be sure

shorehorned uh shoehorned through you

know that could happen and if you're

seeing this

um you know the sort of these mergers uh

because there's many of them of Silicon

Valley companies and and big Pharma you

know they're framing it as Healthcare

but it's Eugenics Being Framed as

Healthcare and it's uh it's really

terrible I mean it's terrifying it's

crazy there's a lot of words for it but

you know ultimately uh it has to be

stopped and unfortunately covet has set

this precedent where it can be mandatory

or where you can lose your livelihood

where you can you know not be able to

travel you can basically be placed under

house arrest unless you agree to it if

you don't I mean in the grand scheme

of uh where we've all been upgraded

we're all part of the upgraded yeah I

don't think that's the intention that's

how they're selling it to people if you

look at this for example the British

Eugenics Society where a lot of this

came came from you look at someone like

H.G Wells best known as a science

fiction writer but also a a value

Genesis he predicted that in a 100 to

200 years there would be two human races

there would be the um upgraded augmented

Elite who were intellectual and

attractive and you know we're the ones

that did everything and then a

dwarf-like troll like squat underclass

that eats bugs

ah

and uh you know for people that have

been paying attention it seems like you

know they're selling this is as one way

it's all going to be a Utopia utopian uh

thing if we all upgrade I mean that's

how it's Being Framed right but if you

look at how these people think they

don't want that they're looking at

feudalism and how do you create a class

of slaves that cannot even cognitively

Rebel ever again it is why I mean it you

know these teachers unions said oh we we

care about you know minorities and

everything else they did more damage to

a whole generation of minorities more

than they did

kids in general into the yeah into the

gears of the machine I live in South

America the lockdowns there were brutal

everyone was under house arrest

basically you were only allowed out of

your house twice a week with papers that

you had to show to police you each paper

was good for like roughly three hours

and my daughter goes to daycare she's

four and she was thankfully you know

shielded from a lot of this and was able

to have interaction and stuff but a lot

of kids weren't and a lot of kids for

age and younger are non-verbal they

scream like instead of talking I mean

they can they're it's it's it's

devastating and the fact that these

people you know act like it was for the

children or for public health when you

know the evidence increasingly comes out

and it wasn't you know it was it was for

something else

and I think we're you know it's

increasingly becoming clear what that

something else is and was

what we're doing to

farming

the the the the the

ESG and World economic Forum plan is

evil I mean I I don't I mean it seems an

overused word and it's one I swore off

about five years ago I said I don't want

to call things evil because it it has to

be evil is a different level but when

you're talking about controlling and

dumbing down and enslaving and

destroying I don't know what other word

to use for it and they've gotten away

with saying this this is conspiracy

theory conspiracy theory well they just

you know I think that's you know since

the the term really entered the American

vernacular after the assassination of

John F Kennedy it's been used to

basically claim that if you think

powerful people get together to discuss

how to advance their power and keep it

um at the expense of everyone else and

that they have any agency

um you know you're crazy it all has to

be a coincidence you know they have they

never have any bad intentions the people

that you know are the oligarchs that you

know fund our politicians and have ties

with intelligence and have monopolies

and you know uh

the technology that runs our lives and

stuff like that I mean it's

um you know I think at this point you

have to be quite naive to think that's

actually the case but

um so how do people like the

um New

Governor I think of Alberta is standing

up against ESG and the first thing one

of the first things she said was anybody

that brags about how they have controls

and people in every government

uh leaders office if not the leader

themselves I don't think we should be

doing any business with them and

ESG and World economic forum is out

um how does somebody like that survive

somebody like Klaus Schwab

you know I think you know it's not just

Claus Schwab I think cloud Schwab is

sort of a man who is there to facilitate

I mean let's talk about the world

economic forum for a second and what it

is and what it's not they describe

themselves as the premier promoter of

public-private Partnerships for lack of

a better word that is fascism so

um then you have the family history of

Klaus Schwab that his father ran a Nazi

model company and funded the atomic bomb

and all of that and just very

complicated stuff there and you

basically have him being in this

position where he's promoting uh you

know fascism on a global I mean he's a

white kitty cat away from being a James

Bond Superman well but I think that's

you know they want everyone to focus on

him and think that it's just him and

just the world economic Forum there's

other organizations that are promoting

this too and also a lot of the you know

the young Global leader program that's

not exclusive to the world economic

Forum you know there's lots of other

institutions with similar agendas

uh you know that uh sort of are related

to the world economic uh Forum which

seeks you know not just public private

Partnerships and fascism but uh Global

governance you know there's a lot of

these organizations seating their people

in in certain places

uh so how do you you know fight against

this I think uh there are sort of like

factional infighting uh to an extent and

it's really hard to know

um how that's going at any given time

um but there's an obvious effort

um by powerful interest to stop uh

nationalist politicians from reaching

the highest level you think and yeah I

well I think it's pretty clear yeah yeah

so um you know how do they stop that I

don't know I mean unfortunately look at

the world economic Forum a lot of the

banks are very involved and when you you

know are in bed with the banks and the

banks are in bed with you

um it's it's very hard to go against

that in today's world

and you know they're making it uh even

harder on the little people people in

Canada that protested with the the you

know the trucker protest they were

de-platformed not from social media but

from the financial system and I think

that's going to become increasingly

common it's already happening to a lot

of people that I work with taken off of

PayPal uh having trouble with their

their Banks venmo I mean you know sure

and I think that's gonna you know become

increasingly commonplace and that's how

they're going to try and force

compliance and you know a big part of

this you have to move towards the

Central Bank digital currency and all of

that at the same time which is

programmable money the state decides

whether you save or you spend they

decide what you can and can't buy and

all this stuff and all the central banks

even on the you know in places like

Russia where Vladimir Putin talks a good

game about nationalism and protecting

our culture they're going full steam

ahead with that too

it's the way you control a population

yeah and I think all these governments

are really interested right now on

domestic control

so what does America look like at the

end China

that is the goal of a lot of people at

the highest levels of Silicon Valley in

our government I would say look no oh

sure I I

have friends who are industrialists and

they would say to me 30 years ago

China's the new model

and I thought that's a bad model we

don't want that they would just

flippingly just if China's the new model

it wasn't until 10 years later that I

started going wait a minute they mean

that sincerely that how it works there

all of it

is coming here yeah that's your plan for

a long time we talked about China Gate

earlier the origins of Silicon Valley

are in that

whole mix and a lot of the most powerful

people in our military industrial

complex including like Lockheed Martin

were involved with that and wanted that

sensitive technology to go to China and

undermine our national security they're

looking there's something there was

something going on there then and I

think we're increasingly seeing it now

um I wrote an article in 2020 about the

National Security Commission on

artificial intelligence they basically

say that in order to be competitive and

artificial intelligence and secure

economic and Military hegemony for the

United States we have to go beyond China

in terms of their implementation of

surveillance technology the use of

artificial intelligence moving away from

private car ownership which they refer

to as a legacy system in-person doctor

visits to the AI powered alternative

this was in 2019. before coven

covet comes along two years before that

I talked to the chairman of the board of

General Motors and he told me by 2030 we

won't be making cars as you know them

today we'll be making fleets yeah

because people Uber yeah it's uh you

know Ubers you rent and you can't

control where they go and they're only

going to be in the smart cities you're

not going between cities anymore no more

road trips no more you know you decide

oh I want to go over here today I want

to drive three hours to see my family or

whoever my friends that's that's over if

these people win and the National

Security Commission on AI was run by

Eric Schmidt former head of Google one

of the the co-chair was a very top guy

that works closely with Schmidt that was

at the Department of Defense and it's uh

the intelligence Community the military

and Silicon Valley and those are the

people increasingly running the show and

they think if we don't go beyond China's

surveillance

a system it's Mega City Smart City model

we will fail and then you have people

like Elon Musk coming in and saying I'm

going to take over Twitter for free

speech and then he also says I want to

make Twitter into basically like WeChat

which is you know and basically a

surveillance app to use in China that's

for uh your finances your social media

all pretty much everything

is on that app they even call it the

everything app and that's his model and

the parent company of that 10 cent is

one of Tesla's shareholders and you know

most active advisors

so is that data going to stay you know

that he's going to get from Twitter the

new Twitter when it becomes a WeChat

equivalent is where's that going to go I

mean there's a lot if you look at

um you know the China connection here

it's you know when I was writing before

I wrote the book I didn't realize the

extent of the overlap but it's very

concerning uh you have people with major

conflicts of interest running our

national security policy on things like

AI that have conflicts of interest with

China and they you know Eric Schmidt

just wrote a book with Henry Kissinger

and these guys basically argue in order

to avoid a war a cataclysmic war with

China we have to make good and cooperate

with China and the model for that is

basically you know the world economic

Forum I mean they argue the same thing

Global governance and technocracy

um following the China model here

and it's very against every Everything

most Americans are accustomed to but

they're I I guess finding ways to

manufacture consent for it whether the

justifications climate change it's covid

it's a food and energy crisis that's

been manufactured

um you know whatever they can whatever

will stick they'll use but the problem

is you're having the people that control

Silicon Valley behind this they control

where most people get their information

where most people socialize today and

they're increasingly censoring people

from platforms they're waging basically

a war on dissent that I've written about

a few times and it's getting you know

increasingly orwellian to the point

where you know they'll label you

misinformation or you know this is

disinformation uh but you know the Biden

Administration if there were in domestic

Terror advances the way they've written

it out you say the wrong thing or you

disagree with the state even or the

official narrative you're uh you know

inciting violence you're potentially a

domestic violent extremist right

um and that's happened in history before

not necessarily the United States but

other countries and you know it's pretty

clear that once that type of policy gets

implemented things go downhill very

quickly

do you have hope at all that

the if the Republicans could win it at

least slows it down I mean I think

people in the Republic there's there's

clearly people who go to Washington and

actually believe it and then are turned

uh or they go to Washington they're

already a dirt bag and they know what

they're getting into yeah and then

there's a few that go and stand and are

trying to hold the line but they're a

minority a big money or they get forced

out correct uh if I'm not mistaken Ron

Johnson right

um was the one that that challenged a

lot of covet narratives and I mean even

mainstream media in PR are supposed to

be objective says oh he spreads

conspiracy theories and his Challengers

a rising star and you know I mean

they're very clear about who they favor

and who they don't and if they don't

want you to win they'll gerrymander your

District they'll do so I mean there's

lots of tools and that they can use to

prevent you from

from staying in office and who knows

what we'll see in the midterm elections

But ultimately you know those type of

people that are willing to stand their

ground and actually fight for the

American people are very few

even in it doesn't really matter what

party you're talking about it's very

small number when you consider the

amount of votes needed to pass certain

legislation so I think ultimately

the way out of this is for the American

people to realize that we yes this is a

fight between good and evil but if

you're looking for the good guys stop

looking at people that are put on the TV

screens in front of you and start

looking at your neighbors yeah and the

answer is so clear

local local local local

absolutely and this is really US versus

them it's not left versus right anymore

we are so far beyond that yeah uh really

and it's amazing and very heartening how

many people that I know and I interview

that

um

we would have we would have been against

each other 15 years ago we would say oh

you're and now it's like no no no forget

Oliver forget all of that yeah you know

and it's heartening that people are

waking and starting to come together

question is do we make it fast enough

I've been saying for a while this is

going to be a photo finish I don't know

which one's gonna I don't think anyone

really does and I think it comes down to

how much responsibility people are

willing to take for their own lives and

and you know how how far communities are

willing to go to ensure that they're

self-reliant and what does that mean to

you

well if the banks are deep platforming

people you can't use their financial

system are you going to go to the cbdc

land where eventually you won't be able

to spend money without like a microchip

in your hand and all of this stuff you

know there's obvious red lines people

can't cross how are you going to feed

your family how are you going to keep

your house heated in winter you know

basic needs I think we should probably

be taking some lessons from the Amish to

be honest I think right you know

that the Amish they're going to be fine

they're gonna be fine we have

we have outsourced our needs to

corporations that want to enslave us so

we have to start producing our own stuff

at a local level it's all about exit and

build and that's what we have to do and

the more people that do that

um the better off we will be the real

question is how accustomed are Americans

to convenience and will we be enslaved

by that convenience or not and I think

that's the ultimate so far we have been

a lot of people have been yeah

um talk to me a little bit about Bitcoin

um so I'm you know not necessarily

um uh well-versed on cryptocurrency I do

um uh I I like bitcoiners because we

tend to have a lot see a lot in common

about um you know the state of

government today and uh the Federal

Reserve for example Central Bank Central

Bank digital currency

um and all of that but you know because

I'm not particularly well versed in it I

don't like to tell people how to spend

their money it's a very individual

decision

um you think it can survive uh I think

the central banks the bankers and the

government will do everything they can

to prevent a currency that threatens

their power from actually being able to

be used and I think we're already seeing

major efforts to make that the case you

know they can make it illegal to uh you

know turn it into something else illegal

to use is tender you know they they're

looking at a lot of different

options

um but you know some bitcoiners despite

that think is totally possible but I

don't think I'm horrified to talk about

that

um you know I personally have you know

um in terms of my finances like you know

some people donate to my work in crypto

I have a little bit of that but you know

I'm personally looking at trying to put

as much of my money as I can and things

that will keep me and my family

self-sufficient come what may uh which

in my case included like investing in

land so I'm not renting I own where I

live I have enough land to produce what

my family needs in terms of food

stocking up on things that I can't

produce

you know things like that that's where

my money is personally going but I am

not in the business of telling people

you know giving Financial advice beyond

that but you know if the goal is to have

developed parallel systems so we're not

dependent on the systems of the people

trying to enslave us you know whatever

you think is a good way to get from

point A to point B uh you know that's

probably where your money should be

going if bitcoin's a part of that if you

feel that way good for you and if not

you know good for you too I think

ultimately what we need to do is um uh

try and create something so that we can

be resilient and not have to uh I mean

because the system is just so

unacceptable

uh I mean it's an it's really not just

in in it's not just against freedom and

all sorts of other values right it's

just it's against nature it's against

life really and so I mean if you're

going to

support that you know I think people

have to realize the consequences that

come with that and exactly what it means

when you are are willing to give

yourself over that kind of system the

implications of that and I think a lot

of people don't really realize that or

take the time to think about it and I

think they should

are you God driven you is God a center

of you

yeah but I tend to think of maybe God

differently than most Christians I don't

really see it as a person or as a man I

see it as uh maybe the universe or the

creative Force right uh you know the

energy uh that drives George Lucas and

the force I mean there's a lot of

different ways you know to look at it

but ultimately if you're looking at

Humanity what do you like about Humanity

it's all the it's the creativity it's uh

the vivaciousness you know that's the

stuff that I think we're fighting for uh

and you know uh a lot of the guys behind

this want to to eliminate that I think a

lot of transhumanism is aimed at

creating like a drone-like Workforce

that will never be able to challenge

their working conditions or ask for a

bigger piece of the pie and it's amazing

to me that more people on on the left

don't see that if they're all about

workers rights and unionizing all right

you have a chip in your brain how's the

how's you know workers rights going

together how is Union

how are the unions in bed

furthering all of this well I would say

that you just have to look back to uh

the unions you know back in the 20s and

30s and 40s and how organized crime took

them over and that's really changed

um so the big ones I mean you know

um so it's um you know a lot of those

guys over the years have evolved to

support these types of of policies

because it's more control and money and

what does the mob love more than

anything else right

what

why is the left

you know

I've always held libertarian more

libertarian views when it comes to

social issues I don't care who you marry

I don't care what you do I don't care

who you love there's no no business of

mine shouldn't be any business of the

government you know that was a

progressive idea to have a marriage

license from the government

um

but we fought this and I remember saying

to my my daughter who was in college at

the time she said Dad it's about love

and I said I don't think it is I think

it's about control and this argument if

we play it out you can't stop polygamy

can't change one factor without changing

other factors

and everyone said these things were

crazy we we are now

transitioning kids

because there's no gender identity

anymore we are sexualizing our youngest

kids

what where is that coming from it's such

a force if your ultimate goal is total

control you need to have a population

that has no national identity that has

no identity period that that identity

can be fluxed and can be moved whenever

convenient for the people on top if

people have an identity and know who

they are and know where they stand

they're a lot harder to control and I

think if you make all of that fluid

um at every level

uh it's a lot easier to exert your will

over them because you know they they

don't have their feet firmly on the

ground right

I thought of this several times during

this podcast I think this is the most

impowerful interview I've ever done well

thank you yeah I mean I I

hope people listen and

open their mind enough to go

that can't be true I mean I usually

start my

investigations on things going no way it

can't be I don't do that as often now

because I'm seeing oh yeah it probably

is yeah

um

who were you before you started doing

this who I mean did you believe these

things or have you found these things

going oh my gosh and one leads to

another well I guess you could say that

when I was younger in my teen years I'd

have made her trust issue with adults

um and I just uh had a hard time I just

didn't believe what I was told a lot of

the time I had to figure it out for

myself and all sorts of things I guess

that's sort of a lot of some teenagers

um are like that but I um

you know around the time I was in

university the last year or two I sort

of figured out a lot of things about

um American history that's sort of

hidden from us

um

uh the government isn't exactly there to

help necessarily

I don't know how we went from hey

government is like fire with George

Washington saying if you're in control

of it it's good if it's out of control

it'll burn you to hey we're from the

government we'll educate your kids how

could you possibly think a government is

going to raise kids who say be skeptical

of us yeah well it's not you know look

at who has taken over education system

you go back to things like uh the

Rockefeller family or their role in

healthcare there's a lot of oligarch

families that have very specific agendas

that have really taken over government

policy and it's been like that for a

very long time

and they're not elected no one put them

in charge actually a lot of people used

to hate the Rockefeller family until uh

you know they started a major PR

campaign to Rebrand themselves as

philanthropists that a lot of other

unpleasant people have since followed

um and uh you know the long-term

consequences of that we are seeing today

um but anyway

um in terms of my background you know I

was you know 21 22 and just looking

around you know I'm 33 so I'm a

millennial right and most people my age

just you know I could see a lot of this

stuff like um

were too dependent on corporations that

have a lot of nasty uh agendas or do bad

things there's a lot of issues a lot of

illegal Wars no accountability at the

highest levels of government

you know if people my age don't start

doing something it's going to get really

bad uh and most you know most people

were like stop talking about that I have

Netflix and beer so I don't care

everything's fine as long as you know

I'm comfortable basically you know screw

your politics or screw your concerns and

I just uh then wait I left the U.S after

that how can the same group of people

that generation

claim that no you have to be an activist

you have to be involved in climate

change and you know I'm going to sit

down and glue myself to a wall like a

uh you know yeah well that's the

activism that's put in front of young

people today and they're being told

that's what activism is and that that's

the activism that's sort of in Vogue

because it's shown and treated by

mainstream media as sticking it to the

man these people throwing tomato soup on

paintings but you look at those groups I

think they're called just stop oil

they're funded by the Getty and

Rockefeller families in the family

family you know made their money off of

oil but you know they have a long time

interest in Eugenics and funding correct

um you know people that basically helped

create this sort of new environmental

movement that downplays uh pollution and

plays up carbon dioxide and that's all

we should be worried about and you know

it's human the biggest I think the quote

from the club of Rome is the biggest

enemy of humanity is man and for

furthering you know that narrative not

that you know it's not the corporations

that pollute or even the US military is

you know even by you know climate change

metrics the biggest contaminator of you

know the planet and all of that it's not

about those guys it's just about the

regular people but really what it's

about is controlling how much energy

people can use and if you control how

much energy a household can use you can

control their economic activity you also

control how many family how big their

family can get

and I think that's ultimately uh what

it's about it's not about the

environment for these people and a lot

of it is uh you know Wall Street driven

you look at the United Nations a lot of

the people they put in charge of a

climate change policy you have Mark

Carney a former head of the bank of

England and the Bank of Canada I believe

uh he's one of the guys that came in to

rescue HSBC when they were caught money

laundering for Mexican drug cartels not

exactly a good guy and it's very

unlikely that he is driven by uh concern

about the environment and then the other

person is Michael Bloomberg former mayor

of New York and uh billionaire guy and

so these are the people I'm crafting the

solutions and just like covid you don't

have time to think about what we're

telling you you just have to accept

these Solutions because if you don't

something really really bad will happen

and it's the same it's a sort of a

similar narrative to what you know was

played out with covid and everything

guns cars everything yeah so you know

people are being it's it's fear fear

given to get people to accept policies

they otherwise wouldn't accept because

they're told this cataclysmic event is

just down the line and trust us again is

the conclusion of that so you know

there's people that agree with the

narrative about climate change and

there's people that don't and I'm not

trying to really get in that space when

I talk about this stuff I'm trying to

point out that the solutions are coming

mostly from Wall Street and they're

things like carbon markets they're

things like debt for climate swaps which

back in the day used to be debt for land

swaps not about climate change you know

about other stuff

and then you have people like Larry Fink

of BlackRock and Michael Bloomberg and

Mark Carney coming together in something

like G fan saying why don't we give Wall

Street Direct Control of the IMF and the

World Bank

for climate change you know right how

can anyone on the left that's worried

about climate change sign up on that why

don't they talk about planting trees why

isn't Bill Gates the largest like

private land owner in the U.S now

planting trees like crazy if he's so

worried about carbon dioxide

um you know he he poo-poos the whole

idea of planting trees as a way to

combat climate change it's just carbon

markets and going to electric vehicles

and all of this stuff but electric

vehicles necessitates Mass Mining and a

lot of that mining is in places that use

child labor or it's going to be so

environmentally destructive you totally

destroy the developing World which you

know these people on the left supposedly

want to protect you're going to totally

destroy the environment

I live in the south of Chile in the

Andes it's one of the only areas in

Chile that's still like forested and

really nice not polluted water any of

that most of the mining in Chile is

historically in the north which has

become very polluted and has a lack of

water among other things and now the

mines are starting to move South because

of this demand

for more and more minerals for you know

electric vehicles and all of that a lake

that used to be used for tourism uh

there was some mineral I forget what it

is discovered in the Lakeshore and then

the water just disappears one season and

now it's ready to be mining right next

to a national park uh I used to live and

work in Peru they were talking about

putting a uranium mine next to Machu

Picchu and all types of stuff I mean

this is uh going the mining stuff is not

being talked about and uh you know

electrical vehicles are being marketed

as necessary but it's going to come at a

massive massive cost and I think that

you know again the environment then the

environmental movement is focused on

carbon dioxide if they were really

worried about the environment they would

also educate people on how destructive

this type of mining is and what it does

to the people who live there in the

environment and including in protected

areas there's a lot of species in this

particular area of Chile where I live

that are only there and they've uh you

know been there for thousands of years

and they'll not exist if a lot of this

mining goes forward but if you ask

people like uh Bill Gates for example if

you has a joint venture with most of the

other Titans of Silicon Valley called

Cobalt metals they say all of the

world's reserves of lithium Cobalt and

nickel must be completely mined if we

even want to get close to the electrical

vehicle Revolution so that means digging

up the entire Andes including areas that

are national parks right now

and uh even if they do with all the

reserves that we know that we have

you're not going to be able to reproduce

the amount of private cars and use today

it's going to be way less cars and so

they're just going to be I mean the

model's already sort of been out there

they fielded it in the UK recently you

can't drive out of your district and all

of that stuff it's going to be much more

controlled the freedom of movement well

it's not really going to be freedom of

movement it's going to be controlled

movement

last question

are you optimistic

um

so that's a tricky question you know it

sometimes you're working and writing on

this stuff I mean it's ups and downs

sometimes you feel inspired sometimes

you're like oh my gosh you know yeah

um you know but ultimately there's

really no other way to be except to

believe totally in a better future

um I mean we have to be totally

committed to that if we're going to do

it and do it quickly and

um you know I have a lot of hope uh that

um Americans when when things get really

rough will come together at least most

of us I think so too you know

um but you know in in the environment

we're in right now I think it's

incumbent on everyone no matter how

small or big your platform is to speak

up about what is happening uh I think we

are past the time about worrying about

what people say about you about at work

or at home wherever the president gave a

speech last night and he I don't

remember what he was calling people and

I thought but that just that is so I so

I am so far beyond caring about names

and labels that anybody you know and I I

think there are more and more people

around the world that are like I don't

care I don't care what you call me I

don't care you know what you do I I just

know what's true and I'm just not going

there with you well the government wants

to Define what is true and what is not I

wrote a recent article

um about that in explaining some of the

calls to basically uh make it such

um and it's it's you know even if they

try and do that and they try and say

this is the state you know the state is

defining truth and if you deviate from

that you are inciting violence

um and all of that but the problem is

people at a visceral level gravitate

toward the truth so they hear it and

they're like oh that makes sense or they

look at the sourcing or they investigate

for themselves and they realize what is

true and what is not so you know the

state and silicon Valley and there's

really not that much space between them

to be honest at this point you know they

can try and and censor and manipulate

and whatever but ultimately people are

going to gravitate towards what is true

and there's going to be a point where

they're not going to be able to really

the tools they have now will not work

and I think a lot of that is that time

will come once people stop trying to use

these platforms that they are

manipulating and start just going out

and talking to people they know we have

to get offline and we have to do it

quickly maybe even get back you know in

circulating in print stuff that's

printed I mean we really have to stop uh

depend being so dependent on these on

these platforms that they're obviously

manipulating I think everyone knows

about it or they're censoring people

from and they're using it to profile you

you know stop giving them your data and

start getting in the real world and

telling people uh what's what I mean

they may call you crazy but the stakes

are too high to not do it that's how I

feel

thank you my pleasure thank you thank

you