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man two hikes that is some click bait if

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I do say so myself let's get into what's

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going on with fed well we're back to

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having the talk about the Federal

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Reserve and this time the FED actually

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exposes the banks well at least Neil

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kashgari does Neil cascari went as far

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this morning is suggesting that Banks

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shouldn't have deposit ratio

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requirements of less than 10 percent

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they should be closer to quite frankly

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40 percent now that's basically to say

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that for every dollar of deposits that

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banks have Neil kashgari who's a voting

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member of the FED thinks that Banks

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should have 40 cents on deposit now this

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is uh dare I say somewhat probably to

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the bankers extreme because even when we

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talk about getting two 10 cents on the

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dollar of reserves Bankers freak out and

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they're like this is this is too

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stressful you're causing too much undue

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stress we can self-regulate we're fine

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well Neil kashgarian will talk obviously

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about this idea of a Fed pause as well

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here shortly but Neil kashgari makes

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this argument pretty strong and he says

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Hey look

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y'all say and y'all have always said

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that you can self-regulate yet what have

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you done the last 15 years well the last

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15 years you've made us bail you out

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three times you made us bail you out in

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2008 you made us bail you out in 2020

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during covid and you made his bailout in

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2023

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something leaves Neil kashgari thinking

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hey maybe just maybe Banks don't know

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how to self-regulate and quite frankly

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how could you blame that the reality is

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banks are motivated by profit

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shareholder compensation uh not just uh

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profit but also quite frankly by being

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able to get a nice bonus when you're an

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executive then you're able to generate a

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lot of growth for the company because

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you're able to attract more customers

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well how do you attract more customers

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to to a bank when you're a bankrupt well

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the way you do it is by offering sweeter

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loan terms which potentially are uh more

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risky for example think about my first

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experience ever in my career with a

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local credit union which I'm forever

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grateful for and I hope credit unions

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don't go away I love Credit Unions

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they'll stick around uh but I was able

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to go to a credit union on my first

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property and after I refine chance the

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property and got a twenty percent down

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conventional loan I was able to say to

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the bank hey would you consider giving

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me a home equity line of credit of up to

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90 percent debt on the home uh without

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mortgage insurance and they're like sure

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why not and then there was an inflated

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appraisal to boot so it's almost sort of

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like the the credit unions are really

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incentivizing like hey man whatever we

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got to do we'll stretch every limit we

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gotta we'll Grease the wheels of the

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appraiser just to get you signing up at

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our bank because of course what do they

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do hey but Kevin you know we'll give you

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that but um you know we could actually

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get you another quarter point off the

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interest rate if you set up direct

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deposit with us oh we could get you

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another quarter point off if you bring

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some more deposits over it's all part of

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the game right like why would anybody go

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to a credit union over a too big to fail

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Bank well the only reason is because

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they have more competitive products but

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by having more competitive products you

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increase risk in the banking system Emil

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Kashkari is right to say like hey well

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the banking system has failed basically

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three times in the last 15 years so it's

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kind of fascinating to think about this

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idea that hey maybe uh just maybe it's

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possible the Federal Reserve uh and uh

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and Congress are going to elevate uh

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bank deposit requirements again Neil

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kashgari requesting up to 40 cents on

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every dollar and the reason he says this

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is because look if there's a market

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crisis when you have 40 cents on every

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dollar of cash that you have deposited

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well now you can cover all your mark to

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Market losses remember how that works

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with treasuries right let's say you have

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a billion dollars of Treasury sitting

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around and all of a sudden the market

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softens to where you know treasure

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yields Skyrocket and the bond values

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fall 40 well at least you could still

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cover your deposits will that be cool

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I'll be cool cool to cover your deposits

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imagine that a bank being able to cover

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their deposits well that hasn't been

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true this year so he actually doesn't

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make a bad argument but unfortunately

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what just ends up happening in our

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economy is anytime there's a

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strengthening of rules

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the like one president down or two

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presidents down just undo those rules

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now this happened with Democrats as well

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so this is by no means trying to be

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political here but after the 2008

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financial crisis we had Dodd-Frank which

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set up these massive too big to fail

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rules and and created some really big

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restrictions uh especially on the big

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four Banks the city the Bank of America

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the wells the chase consider for a

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moment JP Morgan I walk into JP Morgan I

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I got all my bank accounts there and

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everything and I'm like yo I want to

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refinance 28 properties with y'all

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they're like

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we can only do four and I'm like you're

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smoking crack I want 20 Fanny Freddy

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loans let's go they could do it why

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can't you and they go

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out Frank I'm like oh that sucks they're

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like but we could offer you some non-qm

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loans and I'm like I don't want that

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crap get that crap out of here I want my

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30-year fixed Fanny Freddy no prepay

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loan and they're like yeah no not from

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the big four so I'm like all right fine

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I'll go you know to another lender Like

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A non-bank lender I go yo I want 20

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loans for my wife and I on all these

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properties and they're like no problem

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would you like uh you know a donut to go

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with it uh so so you do have some

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regulations those regulations still

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exist but then some other parts of

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Dodd-Frank got rolled back like the uh

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the audit requirements on banks with

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more than 50 billion dollars in assets

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some of those got rolled back to where

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only banks over 250 billion dollars in

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assets had certain uh uh stress test

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requirements not necessarily audit

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requirements stress test requirements

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which to some extent is a form of an

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audit but anyway uh Silicon Valley bank

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then ended up fall falling right under

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that threshold right at about 212 and so

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did many of these others that have

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failed so it's kind of crazy uh that uh

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you know even though we might end up

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getting more regulation we'll probably

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just gonna keep having banking crises

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going into the future uh kind of wild to

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think about that that we just can't even

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get banking straight Neil Kashkari made

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this really good argument and then I

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want to talk about his talk about a

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pause he made this really good point

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he's like you know it's kind of like a

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nuclear reactor when you have a nuclear

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reactor your goal is to create as much

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energy as possible because you know you

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want more jobs you want to expand you

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want to put another you know Silo up or

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whatever y'all call it uh the problem is

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when it ends up failing it's not the

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company that is solely responsible it's

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the government coming in and bailing you

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out to make sure that everybody around

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that reactor doesn't you know freak out

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like another Fukushima you know knock on

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wood I I personally think we should be

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building more nuclear power plants not

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less problem is nobody wants it in their

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backyard you know but I mean look at

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this disaster we've had with Russia here

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nuclear power would just be so

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incredibly logical and then you look at

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what they're doing over in Europe

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they're taking a spent uh uh fuel rods

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and they're just burying them you know

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miles under the ground in these massive

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Caverns they have and it's like cool

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nobody has to deal with it great

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so uh you know because that's always a

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concern too is what about the disposal

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okay well there you go put it in a

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cavern way down in the earth when people

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what if it seeps through okay you can't

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can't win everything I guess but anyway

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you know Neil Kashkari talked a bit

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about a pause as well and I really

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thought his mental gymnastics here uh

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I'll go ahead and say we're quite

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fascinating and entertaining he he takes

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his point of view that he's like look

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look uh if if we happen

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deposh

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uh does this should be we can't hike

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again

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it's like it's hilarious because that no

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once you pause you're done uh you're

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done they're gonna tell us they're not

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done once they pause but you can you

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can't do that again because of what you

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did in the 80s you're screwed by the

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past in the past y'all did this stop

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start stop start stop start and you

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don't want that because as soon as you

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do that you send signals to the market

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that you have no freaking idea what

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you're doing and you double down on

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reiterating that you literally have no

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credibility and you continue to give

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evidence to the market as to why

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once again you shouldn't be trusted so

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unfortunately you're kind of screwed

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because once you pause you're stuck in

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my opinion now sure could inflation

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really go nuts again and then we really

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have to Paul volcker and raise rates

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again I suppose in theory that's

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possible there's certainly no leading

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indicator of that coming uh you know is

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is inflation plummeting exactly as fast

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as everybody would hope no of course not

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New York Times actually and I know the

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New York Times I get it 50 of people

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hear me oh my gosh cite my sources and

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uh uh and then they freak out but the

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New York Times uh actually had a good

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good piece this morning on uh one of the

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things that's keeping inflation high and

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uh it's actually in their opinion used

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car prices uh and and just car prices in

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general so uh the New York Times said

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car prices actually both new and used

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new and used have quote remained High

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contributing to overall inflation used

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car prices have been so volatile and new

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car prices actually continue to rise now

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that's weird because we are getting more

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incentives at the dealerships so you

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have this bizarre way of potentially

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measuring car prices that's contributing

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to volatility partly because you've got

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wholesale car prices which are all over

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the place then you've got you know MSRP

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prices where back in the day we used to

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see uh cars sell for more than MSRP now

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they're starting to sell for less than

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MSRP partly because of incentives coming

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in but there are also still some

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lingering supply issues where even

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though Supply chains are getting better

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we're still not producing as much as we

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were previously because we are kind of

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still just recovering with the

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semiconductor shortages which led to

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fewer cars being produced and fewer cars

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sitting on dealerships you know it used

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to be you'd have cars everywhere and

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we're still not back to those levels of

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inventory so uh there there are these

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ideas that even though wholesale car

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prices have started to decline and more

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incentives are coming signaling you you

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know some potential easing in in pricing

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strength for cars for cars alone are

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holding inflation up so sure yeah there

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are some things holding inflation up I

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mean just look at Aerospace okay

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Aerospace is crazy I mean that they

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still have supply chain shortages like

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if you want to understand supply chain

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shortages and inflation buy a plane okay

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don't do that it's a really bad idea uh

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it's a very small reason somebody would

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ever need to have a plane very small

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okay uh so with that said now what what

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does Neil say about a pause well he

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argues that well again if we skip that

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doesn't mean we're done yes it does if

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you skip you're done because of history

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but uh he makes this argument that look

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I hope the market is right about

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inflation falling we have to get to two

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percent we can't move the goal posts and

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and I you know last time I went on a

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plane I I haven't seen any empty seats

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economy still seems to be doing just

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fine yes but that's also kind of talking

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about two different issues here right

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because remember we just need with the

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Federal Reserve prices to flatten out in

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other words we don't need prices to go

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down that would be nice it'd be nice if

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the grocery bill was smaller it was

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lower but we don't need prices to you

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know go back down what we need is

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pricing to stop rice amazing as much as

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it is and quite frankly that has nothing

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to do with how many seats there are on

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the plane and I think Neil kashgari

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knows that even though he's making this

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example you know what I've traveled and

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it still seems like people are spending

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people are spending because they have

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extra money to spend and they still have

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jobs that has nothing to do with

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inflation we had a an economy where oh

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my gosh guess what people spent money

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and there was no inflation for the last

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40 years before covet so so

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realistically this idea when people's

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just spending I don't know were we gonna

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pause nonsense I think he really set up

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the case here for we're going to pause

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his argument for well the only reason I

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would be convinced to pause is because

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of the banking crisis you know by the

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way I think we should have 40 deposit

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requirements notice now how it all comes

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together

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ah you want 40 deposit requirements

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which are five times as high as current

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requirements are and because you're not

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going to get those and because you're so

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worried about the banking crisis you're

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gonna let the banking crisis Define why

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you got convinced to go with a pause

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he's basically telling you yo look my

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arm's getting twisted to pause so I'm

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just going to talk up how bad the

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banking crisis really is as the reason

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for my pause and supporting a pause so

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we could all come across as having a

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unanimous opinion of pausing this is why

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he's made making the argument

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we'll just pause in June but but July we

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might go back up okay Neil whatever so

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in other words bottom line I think Neil

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Kashkari just went up and told us in

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your lifetime get used to banking crises

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it's going to happen again A and B he

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told you have you checked out Kevin's

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programs on building your wealth and the

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June 1st uh release of the AI course I

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hope so I'll link down below of course

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as usual and see so number one get used

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to banking crises uh B courses linked

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down below and see uh

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pretty much guaranteed going to pause in

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June unless we get some kind of crazy

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CPI report uh the day before the meeting

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which is kind of wild that the CPI

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report comes out just the day before the

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meeting that means j-pow is actually

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probably going to get an early look he's

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kind of teased that before that

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sometimes when they have a meeting

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really close to critical uh data they'll

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pre-release the data to him which is

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kind of cool you know somebody could

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like hack into jpow's wi-fi that's

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illegal don't do it but if you happen to

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you'd be able to probably find out what

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the CPI report was you know beforehand

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and ah it could probably be some

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benefits to that but anyway so this

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gives you an idea about the latest the

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Federal Reserve I I you know obviously

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we're not going to be done talking about

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the FED for a very long time and quite

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frankly when I started uh really making

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YouTube videos I was talking about the

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FED back in 2017 that's all we could

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talk about was the fed and uh back in uh

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uh uh back up when I started my career

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we were talking about the Fed so it's

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just always bad

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it's crazy talking about the Fed so much

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I remember in high school I uh it was I

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don't know it was the first day and the

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teacher is just like asking questions of

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these these high school students seniors

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and they're like all right who knows who

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knows uh uh who the uh Secretary of the

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Treasury is and the chairperson of of uh

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the Federal Reserve or who knows this

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they're asking all these questions and

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nobody's answering them and I'm like

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here's the answer here's the answer

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here's the answer after the class the

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the teacher's like dude

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do you want to join us in like AP econ I

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think you'd do well I'm like nope I'm

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playing wow no I had a job at Jamba

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Juice I was starting with real estate so

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uh for me I'm like no no no no no it was

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scale back on the on the school and and

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focus on the biz

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um

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yeah and then I ended up at UCLA which

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was also kind of cool but uh yeah so

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that's my take on the federal oh I gotta

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push this button that's my take on the

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Federal Reserve so uh yeah look same

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same old same old but I I think the good

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news is if you're looking for the FED

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talking about a pause and reiterating a

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pause that's exactly what we got here

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it's good it is kind of fascinating

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though that to think we're probably

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gonna have more money craze he's common

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about three banking crises in the last

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15 years

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he's right kind of wild didn't even

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think about it

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no anyway all right well good to see you

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back we'll start talking about something

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else

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so Bullard is back to yapping I thought

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the topic was done and over for the FED

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but no Bullard is back to yapping

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yapping and yamping here you go Nick t

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two minutes ago on the tweeters St Louis

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fed President James Bullard whom keep in

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mind is not a voting member of the FED

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in other words

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he really has no say okay does not

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matter Kashkari is a voting member

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Bullard not a voting member the

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projection that rates would rise to

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above just about five percent this year

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was based on the idea the inflation

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would come down pretty rapidly and GDP

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growth would be around zero but those

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things haven't materialized so far

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that's true inflation higher and GDP

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higher bowler thinks the FED will need

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two more 25 basis point hikes this year

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you've got fairly robust growth for the

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US economy in 2023 and you've got

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inflation that's not come down fast

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enough for that reason I'm out well

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actually he said I think we're going to

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have to grind higher with policy in fact

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Bloomberg's now talking about it let's

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listen do this and I do think this is

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important folks Bullard has been a

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collegial outlier agreeing with others

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that have been leading in charge

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including the former New York fed

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President Bill Dudley here but a while

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back he was giving scope and scale to a

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really significant reset in interest

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rates without any Whisper of

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disinflation I see a recapitulation of

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that this morning Bullard saying

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inflation staying too high one reason

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one reason for more Ike's plural and

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this were very plural this morning and

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this is sort of the distinction between

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the skipping of the June meeting or the

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pause right the skip being there might

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be more needed especially as you get

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data that's come out hotter than

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expected pretty much across the board

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and what we see is well a better economy

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and that may include new cars including

19:38

new expensive cars from Dearborn where

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the perspective is on his world of Autos

19:42

Matthew Miller joins us from Dearborn

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all right we're not talking about otters

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right now we gotta finish with the FED

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here so uh this right here is your

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Bullard sell down right here you went

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from you lost about 20 cents on the QQQ

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there

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so thanks Bullard

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as you can see it really wasn't a big

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deal relative to the rest of the

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movement in the day probably because

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he's not a voting member and guess what

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his new

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really new

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to always the

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SE like ah higher rates faster

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In fairness early on I think he was

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right when he's like let's just raise

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rates and get it over with I was a big

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fan for that like

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like if you're gonna get punched I'd

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rather get punched in the face

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and then be over it rather than you know

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this this dragging on that we've gotten

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I mean you know who knows maybe maybe

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there are particular reasons for that

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but um I don't know this this Bullard

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news to me is uh a nothing Burger again

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not a voting member he's got it he's

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Gotta Give he's the perfect person you

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know what probably goes down to

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something like this

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neocashcari this is Jerome Powell you're

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going to flip-flop and you're going to

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agree with the pause we're going to be

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unanimous

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I don't know why Powell sounds somewhat

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trumpian but it's a horrible accent no

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matter what anyway you're going to pause

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tell the world you're going to flip-flop

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because uh you're worried about the

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banks or something

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and like oh j-pal I have this paper from

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2016 where where I talked about the

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bank's having 40 Capital requirements

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oh sorry Neil uh yeah that's uh that's a

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great idea why don't you use that to

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explain why you're pausing okay j-pal

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boy I can't wait to have your job one

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day I'll just keep working hard and

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hopefully get there one day

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then Jay Powell has to call Bullard

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Bullard

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Neal's voting he's coming out today

21:48

as a pauseer I need you to say something

21:51

bearish

21:52

get on with Bloomberg or or text Nick T

21:55

we need two more hikes even though

21:58

you're not voting we need to counter

22:00

some of the bullishness this needs to be

22:02

a hawkish pause get it done no problem

22:06

Jerome

22:07

thanks

22:15

uh

22:16

uh I I don't know about you but

22:19

I just I just think that's probably

22:21

honestly how it happens like we would

22:24

probably all be quite embarrassed uh to

22:26

hear the phone calls that happen

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