The Coming Dangers to Facebook, Virtual Reality, and Ads ($META Stock)
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now we're going to talk about meta
advertising Snapchat Pinterest trade
desk and good advertising as well as
Google potentially be a massive sector
that is missing from your portfolio
let's do some fundamental analysis and
understand a little bit of what's going
on in the advertising sector look the
first thing that we've got to start with
is we we've got to talk about Facebook
because obviously their earnings were
such that folks got very optimistic with
a higher Revenue beat than expected Mark
Zuckerberg talks about making the
company more efficient there was a lot
of talk in the earnings call about being
tired of having managers managing
managers Facebook laid off about 11 000
people and the idea for Facebook is
let's try to make the company a little
bit flatter less sort of hierarchical
which is very expensive because every
payroll is expensive if you are an
employee whatever your salary is
remember that the company probably has
to pay about 50 more just to keep you
around so if you make 100K probably cost
the company 150 000 HR payroll taxes
workers comp supplies mistakes days off
paid days off vacation sick time you
name it okay there are a lot of costs
that come along with that that but
that's okay but it makes sense if you
can cut out some middle level management
and keep the company more efficient
there's a great option opportunity to
reduce your cash burm especially since
meta is well continues to expect to
spend a lot of money on uh reality Labs
which is really their money losing
division for the metaverse and the
reason Facebook is really doubling down
on the idea of the metaverse is because
they believe the metaverse my opinion is
the next Frontier for social media
advertising and they want to make sure
they get the grip on the metaverse so
that way when people start actually
spending more time in the metaverse
maybe the time they spend now on YouTube
they spend in the metaverse Facebook
could be the one that has a dominant
advertising platform so this year at
least they're calling 2023 the year of
efficiency simplifying their
organizational structure and really
trying to get back to a return to growth
they're increasing their share BuyBacks
they're lowering their expenses and
really well digital advertising demand
and pricing is still weak they're
starting to see some green shoots along
with an improvement in online e-commerce
now that was actually surprising to me
so you're seeing e-commerce see a little
bit of a pop in advertising and you're
saving seeing travel and health spending
substantially up the sectors that are
down in advertising or financial
services and Technology with average
price paid per ad down about 22 however
they did allude to more growth in the
potential advertising sector for short
form content such as Facebook and
Instagram reels which YouTube just
yesterday turned on monetization for
short form reels uh but well sure
YouTube shorts basically a 60 second or
less content they just turned on
monetization for that so we'll see uh
what that ended up ends up doing to the
advertising sector but there's a lot of
focus on Facebook Snapchat uh trade desk
and Google for advertising Google does
end up reporting today uh Pinterest is
another one that's moving on this they
just announced they're expecting to cut
150 jobs you've had similar cuts at
Google Google just had five Executives
from the doubleclick ad business which
some say holds about 90 market share and
sort of the brokering sector for
brokering website ads five Executives
just apparently lost their jobs there
along with potentially hundreds of other
individuals working there uh Google has
about a 25 market share of All Digital
advertising and then in the other 75
you've got companies advertising like
obviously Facebook uh then you've got uh
YouTube's obviously part of Google but
then you've got a trade desk which is
your connected TV Advertiser and so on
uh now what's fascinating about the
advertising sector is you've kind of got
these hidden misses you've got Facebook
seemingly potentially excited at least
their stocks excited seeing some green
shoots in advertising again but you're
still getting a hit from reality labs
and cash expenses to where they're
trying to refine their business to make
it more effective unfortunately you had
Snapchat that reported and they missed
bigly and they that was potentially
because you've got 90 percent of snaps
user base being under 25 years old
leading to potentially a less uh dare I
say advertising Revenue than some of the
other platforms after all snap generates
more Impressions per dollar than Google
or meta but that's potentially because
the the users are just a lower value
Target so advertisers also tend to have
limited data using Snapchat on how their
ad is doing and this is leading a lot of
folks to focus on different platforms
and kind of brings me to uh wanting to
look at two things one I want to look at
the fundamentals for Facebook and number
two we I want to understand trade desk
and their uid2 platform a little bit
more first though let's look at meta's
fundamentals for a moment so here's meta
fundamentally and we'll go ahead and
look at some of these numbers together
so Facebook's Revenue declined for the
third quarter in a row year over year so
you're really in a revenue recession at
Facebook right their revenue is down to
32.1 billion dollars versus 33.6 at the
same time last year that's about a four
and a half percent decline in Revenue at
the same time as their revenue is
declining their costs are going up
substantially while their revenue
declined four percent their costs of
goods sold which actually doesn't
include research and development
increased 31 so even though the stock is
rallying you do have some problems
Revenue declining four percent and costs
of goods sold up 31 r d also exploded
9.7 billion dollars of r d expense
compared to about seven billion dollars
of r d expense last year puts you in
about a 39 percentage Point increase in
research and development their marketing
and sales and GNA stayed roughly flat to
slightly negative uh and really what you
had was a a cost structure that just
became a bit more well costly so their
net income fell their net income sitting
at about 4.6 billion dollars down from
10 billion dollars last year so you've
got about half as much income coming
into Facebook as you did last year and
if we go to a cash flow statement for
the company we're not terribly worried
about the company's assets and their
balance sheet and companies well
capitalized but if we look at the cash
flow statement we can see do they
actually have cash flow and if you take
their net income and you look at their
operating cash they do they've got
operating cash from about 14.5 billion
dollars in a net cash provided by
operating activities hold on let me just
make sure quickly that we've got this
aligned properly here we've got net
income of 4.6 we've got depreciation
share based comp uh accounts receivable
accounts payable we've got other
liabilities we've got net cash okay yeah
exactly okay then here we have purchases
of property and Equipment nine billion
dollars this gives you a free cash flow
estimate free cash flow would be the
difference between cash flow from
operating and cash flow or cash expense
for Investments so if we look at 14.5
minus nine you're sitting at about 5.5
billion dollars of free cash flow it's
not bad so they're still making
substantial amounts of money and part of
this is because they're adding back in
about 2.3 billion dollars in
depreciation uh they're adding back in
three billion dollars of share-based
compensation so you really have a
company that's not short for cash
they've got plenty of cash 5.5 billion
dollars of cash in just the three months
ending uh 2022 that's not bad it's
actually very impressive if you look at
the free cash flow for 2022 this is a
company that's killing it with cash cash
for the entire year of 2022 you're
sitting at free cash flow of about 15
billion dollars so plenty of cash the
question that you have to ask yourself
is if you want to make or if you want to
make a meta investment if you're asking
yourself should I invest in meta is
you've got to ask yourself do you
believe in the potential future of
reality Labs because that's obviously
where a lot of money is going right now
uh twice as much of their free cash flow
is basically going into research and
development and that's expected to
continue so you have to believe that
ultimately reality labs and virtual
reality is as they say the next
evolution in Social technology and if
you don't believe in that probably don't
want to invest in Facebook now keep in
mind there are also other players in the
space take a look at Apple's upcoming
mixed reality of virtual headset this is
a Bloomberg piece breaking down exactly
everything you want to know about it
I'll give you a quick picture of roughly
a rendering of what it might look like
you could see that on screen here look
pretty cool some people say it's a
little bit uncomfortable though based on
some of the people in the beta for it
well probably more like an alpha for it
but anyway Apple's long anticipated
mixed reality headset isn't a an attempt
to recreate a 3D version of the iPhone
operating system so think about
basically uh apps and icons on uh on
sort of a 3D augmented reality space in
front of you and somehow being able to
control those buttons with gestures so
there won't actually be a hand control
device there'll actually be cameras that
look down at your hands to try to
understand what you're gesturing so you
can kind of move around or maybe touch a
keyboard or something that'll be quite
interesting now the expectation is this
will cost about a thousand bucks and uh
it's a likely to be named reality Pro
which I feel like is a little bit of a
jab there at meta versus expenses on
reality labs
uh and uh then in the future they expect
to potentially come out with a thousand
dollar product uh like a lower cost
product so starting with the premium
tier and coming down hand and eye
tracking capabilities uh ability to
connect to external or become an
external display for connected Mac uh
basically you'd zoom in pinch with your
fingers and your thumb they'll also be a
little wheel which I think is kind of
cool at least it's the rumor that you'll
be able to kind of go from virtual
reality to augmented reality so that way
you can see the world in front of you
with sort of a layers of apps and stuff
I think it'd be neat if I were ever on a
run to be able to wear something like
this if they got light enough and the
battery packs got light enough to be
able to kind of see the world but then
have you know news up or something I I
don't know it's maybe that's a bad thing
but that's kind of what I envisioned for
this but I think uh Apple is doing this
with a separate battery pack that you
would carry separately uh and it's not
actually on the head device unlike the
Facebook version which is on the head
device a lot of people talking about
this is potentially being useful for
health tracking video games uh I think
maybe like one-on-one face times will be
useful with couples for this or maybe if
you're in the future in a self-driving
car or you're on a treadmill uh this
could be kind of useful M2 will be made
with Taiwan semiconductors enhanced five
nanometer technology and it's a neural
processing units can any 20 billion
transistors this will be a 25 increase
from the M1 some testers have complained
that it could be a bit cumbersome
headset battery pack lasts for about two
hours
and people will be able to try it out in
the uh in the actual Apple Store now the
reason I bring that up with meta here is
obviously because there's competition in
that reality loud space and Apple's the
big boy coming in we could actually look
at segment information here at Facebook
and see that uh reality Labs let's see
here reality labs labs absorbs
um this is quite interesting how this is
aligned there we go these align like
this and then we have family of apps
here reality Labs reality Labs showing
I don't know why this is so uh
misaligned here it's so difficult to
understand reality labs this is segment
info of Revenue there we go okay reality
Labs created 727 million dollars of
Revenue and uh reality Labs cost about
4.2 billion dollars almost a billion
dollars more than uh what the company uh
or or what the loss was last year so you
get about 4.2 billion dollars going into
reality labs and losses and that is just
in the last three months of 2022 which
means if you look at that on an
annualized basis they're spending about
17 billion dollars a year uh in losses
on the metaverse
so again even though they're buying back
shares the numbers aren't as bad as
expected in the long term you got to ask
yourself how much do you believe in the
potential for a company that's shrinking
Revenue to be able to turn around and
start creating revenues again uh and
that's ultimately a question you have to
ask yourself as an investor now one of
the things you can do to help you along
with that is we could look at Wall
Street consensus estimates and if we
jump over to uh Facebook for uh Wall
Street consensus estimates yeah let's
see here we can find out that the
projected earnings per share for
Facebook in 2023 is
11.4 dollars and that could grow by
about 20 percent for 2024 and 2025 but
things get really blurry after 2024 and
2025 where Wall Street actually thinks
that earnings are going to go negative
Again by 2026 and 2027. so in other
words unless you start producing revenue
from reality Labs by 2026 your earnings
are probably going to start declining
again which would make your cost per
growth very very expensive at Facebook
but consider that companies multiples
right now right now Facebook stock in
the pre-market is trading for about a
buck 85. divide that by about 11.4 and
you're trading for about a 16 times
multiple if you think that the company's
going to grow at 16 in the foreseeable
future you're really only paying about
one times for the growth PEG ratio right
dividing 16 times earnings by 16 growth
you're about a 1x however if Facebook
doesn't end up pulling it off with
reality labs and their growth ends up
only sitting around a measly let's say
two or three percent on average over the
next few years or let's just go with an
even five to make math easy well then
you're probably paying closer to 3x on a
peg-based ratio and that actually makes
Facebook look very expensive so an
investment into Facebook right now if
you're making a longer term investment
is solely based on the growth you expect
from reality Labs personally you can
make a similar sort of analysis I think
you can make a similar sort of analysis
on Intel Now intel is a company that's
going through very much a similar
transition as Facebook except rather
than betting on the metaverse Intel is
betting on three and four nanometer
chips which are Advanced chips then to
be developed in new Fabs that they're
building in Ohio and expecting to come
online by 2025 right now they use a lot
of uh TM they actually use a lot of
Taiwan semiconductors for for their
building and so if you're heavy into
Taiwan semiconductors and you're looking
for potentially potentially a value play
on a transformation maybe Intel is that
opportunity where you're actually
hedging against tsmc because now you
have an American manufacturer the
largest American manufacturer and you're
betting on sort of a turnaround
personally I would rather make a bet on
the Intel turnaround thanks to the chips
Act and the Tailwinds that that has
versus a bet on the metaverse because I
don't actually think we're close to the
metaverse yet I think the metaverse is
something that would be ready player
1esque maybe in the 2030s plus but I'm
not convinced that Facebook will be the
one to actually get us there and so I'd
rather wait to see what actually happens
before I make the BET and so when it
comes to advertising I actually am much
more interested in a company like trade
desk now don't get me wrong trade desk
has not reported earnings yet and this
is going to be big foot and mouth if
face or if trade desk ends up missing uh
but I will tell you this oh my God trade
desk is up eight percent in the
pre-market right now I have no idea why
possibly just off the back of Facebook I
just realized that trade desk is up at
56 dollars tradisk is one of my my it's
actually my largest advertising holding
in my portfolio now I want to explain a
little bit about uid2 because there's a
lot of confusion about uid2 so uid2 is
something you have to know when it comes
to advertising because it's basically a
new form of a cookie it's an opt-in
cookie where basically you opt in to be
tracked for your phone number your email
to be tracked and initially you might
think to yourself why would you want to
opt into that well you're right most
people won't in fact only about 10
percent of people are expected to opt in
to uid2 style tracking or really any
kind of tracking however all uid2 really
needs is about 10 percent of people to
opt in and then they can model the 10
percent of people who opt in model their
behavior and their characteristics
against the characteristics of other
people who behave in a similar way and
this is why
uid2 potentially raises your uh CPM
metrics on Advertising by as much as 116
percent compared to companies using
third-party cookies that's really good
on top of that some companies estimate
that their reach has increased as much
as 40 percent and potentially led to a
one thousand percent increase in their
actual return on spend now this is
incredible and some of this information
is uh you know brought To Us by Pub lift
which in the advertising space could be
a little bit uh uh a little bit on on
the buy side uh but uid 2 is worth
noting it is an open source Tech and
it's basically your new version of
cookies and trade desk is one of the
companies that's in Connected TV
advertising where uh through uid2 and
with connected TV advertising trade desk
expects to be able to blow up their
advertising Revenue now no guarantees
but it's basically the New Frontier for
advertising where people are saying look
why do we want to be on Facebook when
you have problems with being able to
track advertising success when you could
move over to the new technology which is
uid2 again an open source framework and
the goal of it is actually to protect
user privacy and now that's interesting
because this is kind of the chart of how
it works I'm not going to go super
detailed into this but basically the
user visits a website the publisher
explains hey you know do you want to opt
in basically and it gives you the option
10 of users let's say opt-in now that
creates a token for that user and only
the non-public information is
transferred to basically the auction
websites for advertising and you get
this exchange of of information for
being able to basically attract people
on the internet and again if you can
model around the 10 of people who've
opted in then you can continue to sell
more ads more effectively and I think
the best thing to do is just look at the
success that some companies are having
and some companies are having great
success so for example if you look at
Cocoa Village they're the ones talking
about a massive uh increase in uh return
on ad spend and a substantial boost in
reach on top of that uh you're seeing uh
a trade desk very optimistically argue
that this recession is an opportunity
for them to actually gain more market
share and get people realizing look in a
recession companies are going to have to
be more careful with how they spend
money so why would you spend money on
regular TV advertising when you could
use connected TV advertising or you
could get the advantages of uid too
through some of the services that a
company like trade desk provides why not
go to a company like trade desk and have
a substantially more efficient
advertising platform than than
potentially waste your money on Facebook
like I'm not trying to bag on Facebook
obviously I'm biased here I invest in
trade desk and I don't invest in
Facebook because I don't believe in
reality labs and I do believe in uid too
but it's an interesting thing to think
about again this will all be foot and
mouth if they miss earnings here uh when
when earnings come up but it's
fascinating because you are in this sort
of Brave New World of advertising where
Snapchat's having trouble figuring it
out their user base is very young
Pinterest somewhat a bit of a Dying
platform Google is getting sued by the
Department of Justice for potentially
being a monopoly on sell side
advertising for brokering website ads
then you have Facebook which is throwing
all their money away on reality labs and
so when you start looking at the
advertisers who do you really have left
that's like a pure play Advertiser well
in my opinion one of the few Pure Play
advertisers is trade desk on the other
hand you have apple but apple is great
uh uh on one hand because of Apple ads
you know obviously a little bit biased
with apple because Apple can kind of
make it harder for everybody else to
advertise while at the same time
pitching their own ad business but
Apple's not a pure play ad business
right Apple's a products and services
business
and then there's a little bit of
advertising in there so from a pure play
advertising point of view I think trade
desk is probably the the best option
that exists hashtag no guarantees
obviously uh and uh then after that
you're probably maybe considering
companies like Disney or uh Netflix for
their exposure to TV advertising but
then again I'm not entirely convinced on
their ability to convert uh ads to
profitability through Disney Plus or
Netflix and instead I'd rather be
investing again in the pickaxe instead
of the company itself in that case and
who's the pickaxe for Disney's connected
TV trade desk so kind of all points back
the trade test now again no guarantees
but I'm very very excited uh about trade
desk in the advertising space and I
think it's a good place uh to to have
exposure uh especially since your
financials pretty solid again no
guarantees few fourth quarter is going
to be great but you've got revenue that
increased in the third quarter year over
year 30 percent uh now what we can do is
we can kind of compare that to what it
was in the prior nine months to get a
little bit of a trend I I don't have
that written down here so let's do that
really quick let's divide
divide by 808 that puts us at about 35
so you've got a slight slow down that's
already been realized but uh you've had
so in other words you had 35 growth in
the first nine months of the year down
to about 30 growth still growth uh but
what I love about this company is the
margins uh that they have and we've
gotta unfortunately what then that makes
this a potentially a little bit harder
one to analyze is the pink that I've
highlighted here shows a single one-time
large boost in stock based comp for the
CEO a little bit of a problem here
because it makes it look like trade desk
almost lost money they didn't they made
about 16 mil but it's a substantial
plummet from the 2021 60 million rev or
net income rather if in the fourth
quarter growth stays stable at above 25
and we get that stock base comp out we
should see some pretty good margins at
the come company which is exciting to me
especially since their platform
operations are basically their their uh
uh margin right that's for gross margin
so if we look at 70 million dollars in
expenses out of 394 million Revenue
you're only talking about 17 in expenses
which means you've got about an 82
percent gross profit margin Opex grew at
uh about 44 so we want in terms of sales
and marketing so we want to keep an eye
on potentially sales and marketing
growing faster than rev so this is not a
risk-free company but it's definitely a
company that I think has upside from
here and again no guarantees but it's
one I'm excited about so uh these are
some of the things that fundamentally
I'm uh watching and curious to know your
thoughts so uh leave me some comments
now uh you know question here what about
Google uh you know Google Google I think
again great exposure for uh for what
you've got uh to YouTube big fan of that
however YouTube Red Avenue actually
suffered a decline in the last Google
earnings report now we're going to get
Google earnings today so hopefully it
goes back that's what I'm going to be
looking for in the Google earnings is
I'm going to be looking for a return to
YouTube advertising growth take a look
at this this on screen right here is
Google's uh ad network uh income and you
could actually see that in 2021 you got
7.2 million dollars for YouTube ads but
only 7 billion dollars uh in 2022 which
is a decline of about 1.85 percent
Google search still grew but then again
Google search is where they're suffering
from the uh Department of Justice
inquiry into into their models right so
and you've got Google Cloud growth
slowing so these are some things to pay
attention to for Google again not a pure
play advertising play uh so again
watching I think the next earnings calls
especially the Google one today will be
very insightful and and those will be
things that I'm paying attention to but
some of my thoughts there on the
advertising amazing sector hopefully
that on Advertising was insightful or
interesting to you
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