The Contrarian Stock Move *NOW* [Do the OPPOSITE]
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well Citigroup just came out and
indicated that 21 billion dollars in new
long positions have been added S P 500
and this is a lot of really one-sided
betting
and it's leaving a lot of people
wondering is the stock market stupidly
euphoric again are we yet at another one
of those points in the market where the
market is just detached from reality who
remembers the days of covet where the
economy was basically at a standstill
and collapsing and yet the stock market
was just up up up and away well Bank of
America has a
pretty fascinating piece on the stock
market and what the forecast for the
stock market could be and even though to
some extent this forecast and this piece
that we looked through might look uh you
know to some as relatively one-sided
it's worth noting they're really only
projecting that the S P 500 will rise
another 2.3 percent this year at the end
of the year and who knows that could
mean there could be a dip between now
and then but what I really want you to
pay attention to
is
what they're specifically referring to
as to why the market could do something
unique here so let's take a look at the
piece together this is the piece from
Bank of America Bank of America's new
end year Target 4300 okay 4300 again
represents about a 2.3 percent increase
from where we sit today so it's actually
not that big of a deal that means you
know with the S P 500 up 9.9 you've
already had most of your gains
essentially for the years what Bank of
America is saying here all they do they
do indicate that the stock market could
actually fall to 3 900 or rise all the
way up to 4 600 in a Range
so now what I'd like to do is uh look at
some of this the the views they have
here especially on multiples and
valuations and otherwise
so they argue here that the era of easy
money is behind us and that today
Corporate America is focused on
efficiency automation AI productivity
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look at this
they start talking about multiples and
uh how multiples for the S P 500 or or
high but uh multiples have been even
higher during prior crises and I thought
this was fascinating this comparison
because right now the S P 500 is sitting
at about a 21 times multiple but one of
the reasons the multiple is high is
because earnings are lower I want you
just visualize that for a moment because
it's easy to get lost in that especially
if you're half listening so let's
simplify that okay let's say you have a
stock that trades for one hundred
dollars and you had five dollars of
earnings per share uh you know last year
let's say trailing 12 months well that
puts you at a 20 times multiple
but let's say last year your earnings
were depressed and you actually expect
your earnings to be seven and a half
dollars today well then you're
forward-looking PE basically is a
hundred divided by 7.5 is actually
13.3 so one of the problems in a
recessionary time is multiples are a
dangerous tool to use during the period
of low earnings
specifically because the earnings
numbers are lower so you have to keep
that in mind so look at this when we
compare to Prior lows in the stock
market what did we end up getting well
look at this in covid we were at 23
times EPS at the low and during the
great financial crisis we were at 28x
which means we actually weren't uh as uh
as potential we're not actually as
highly valued as we were then which I
think is quite fascinating
here they make the argument that there's
plenty of bad news and I love that they
said in the title talk to the person
next to you to see the bad news and it
doesn't surprise me because people
themselves seem to be very bearish right
now uh you know like when I walk around
the neighborhood people like Kevin
saw I saw your videos in some other
videos
should I buy gold and silver and the
more I hear that the more I'm like
well that's how
regular people feel right now I want to
be polish stocks you want to be a
contrarian and so far that's paid off
this year but anyway uh I like this
listen this current valuations are not
low but rarely are low during profit
recessions so think about that for a
moment Bank of America is making this
argument here that of course valuations
are not low like nobody's here trying to
argue that oh everything's like way way
cheap right now but they make it clear
that during quote profit recessions in
other words when earnings go down
valuations are rarely low and that's
kind of what we saw with this math we
did on uh the earnings per share numbers
here when EPS is down
how could valuations ever look low they
can't
just by the nature of the calculation it
totally makes sense
on cyclically adjusted earnings
valuations argue for Price returns of
five percent per year for the S P 500
over the next decade better than the
average negative returns
uh suggested by valuation signals at the
beginning of 2022 now I actually wrote
next to this WOW because I think it's
very interesting that Bank of America's
uh evaluation metrics we're looking
forward at negative returns for the S P
500 compared to today's valuation
metrics which are actually looking at
positive S P 500 returns again this
reiterates this opportunity cost of
being in treasuries or cash and uh you
know there's this sentence here they say
as equities grow less extended bonds
look riskier that's because of
opportunity cost uh you know there's a
limit to how much you're going to gain
here uh so okay good to know so what
what are some of the charts they give
here because they give a lot of of
charts here and some of them are
actually quite interesting so let's see
what are some of the the favorites we
want to look at they they have quite a
few here oh yeah this was is a good one
right here I like this one so exhibit
six inflation drives productivity
Capital expenditures now there's only
about a 44 correlation for this but what
they're saying here is that as there's
wage inflation you actually end up
getting more productivity out of
businesses so in a weird way inflation
forces forces some uh a tightening of
the ship of businesses so to speak very
interesting so I think that's great
especially look at this mention of AI
during earnings calls you know obviously
it's at a peak now in 2023 we should
look at that chart month to month it'll
probably be even more off the chart but
anyway look at this
new S P 500 Target increased from four
thousand to forty three hundred
correcting or anchoring bias we raise
our s p 2023 year-end Target to 4 300
based on our updated Target models and
blah blah blah blah in our forecast we
incorporate five signals now they're
going to go through these signals so
we'll go through some of these signals
together so we'll jump ahead uh first uh
here's some of their models blah blah
blah okay removing some of the negatives
fine where do we want to look at here
exiting the best ERA for earnings ever
this is more like the last decade easy
earnings growth from cheap financing
BuyBacks globalization and cost cutting
may be behind us but efficiency gains
could improve the quality of earnings
and offset margin risk from reshoring so
reshoring is bringing workers back to
the United States I really think we're
actually going through a phase of what I
call
re-globalization it's something I've
been talking about for about a year it's
just that flip on de-globalization where
everybody's worried about oh that's it
you know if everybody manufactures in
America again everything's gonna be more
expensive that's true but not
everybody's just going to manufacture in
America again you'll you'll see this
transition to creating new Supply chains
in different areas but it is fascinating
this this argument here that but
efficiency gains should improve the
quality of earnings in other words
companies again focusing on that
productivity
so uh here they talk about globalization
explaining the a majority of companies
basically becoming more profitable since
1995.
uh and that usually people complain
today about basically a low risk premium
that's to say that hey I'm not getting
paid that much more to sit in stocks
than I could get on Treasury yields
maybe maybe on paper math because if
you're expecting the s p to return say
six percent and treasuries are at five
percent why would you you know why would
you bother with stocks well that's
because potentially the stock market
return could be 20 or 15 instead of uh
five percent as as the math forecast so
fascinating here this higher real rates
lower earnings risk premiums so that's a
pretty typical thing that we would see
but another thing that was fascinating
was this chart right here there's sell
side indicator now sell side don't get
confused by that that doesn't mean like
they're the short sellers or whatever
sell side is basically just your your
research side of Institutions so just
think institutions uh and think research
side so providing information is your
sell side
and their sell side indicator
is uh trying to essentially be
contrarian to what analysts think so if
every analyst is extremely bullish
then that tends to actually be bearish
for stocks and so extreme bullishness is
characterized by this red line on screen
right here it's your upper bound that's
extreme the extreme bullishness level
then you have extreme bearishness which
is characterized by analysts being
really negative about forward earnings
and expectations which is why we're
beating expectations so well and uh
their average is set by this green line
right here at the bottom
and you can see the Blue Line shows
where we sit right now
the Blue Line indicates we are really
close to the extreme bearishness level
and this sell side indicator tool
actually implies a return of 16 of the
stock market over the next 12 months
okay
now that's a positive but a negative is
we are going through quantitative
tightening and we're not entirely clear
how much of that quantitative tightening
is really going to affect the market
some are arguing that
tech stocks did well because of the
money printing basically temporarily
during the banking crisis uh of March
but then again the stock market returned
it seems like most of its returns before
the banking crisis you know in in uh the
first five weeks of the year
and then more recently here as as the
balance sheet has started reducing again
uh so I'm not convinced on that one
long-term valuation model their 10-year
forecast projects S P 500 gains of five
percent per year uh actually 5.4 percent
annualized returns over the next decade
add a 21 forward
okay what is this note here they left a
note here I I didn't read this note we
extended our long-term valuation model
back to 1950 to determine whether
evaluation predicted returns during
different macro environments uh you know
had any support or whatever our measure
of normalized eps is based on long run
linear regression fine okay this is more
of just uh well let's see here valuation
was a strong predictor of 10-year
forward returns in most decades however
Rising rates and amid inflation and raid
shocks in the late 60s and early 80s uh
oh wait I'm sorry including Rising rates
and amid inflation rate shocks so in
other words valuation was a strong
predictor of 10-year forward returns
almost always
with the exception of the mid to late
80s
in the late 90s I don't know how useful
that is then they're cutting things out
here so here they give you a little bit
of a of a chart view of the 10-year
yield in CPI uh here is that valuations
measure where usually ah this is
interesting yeah look at this you could
see this blue line here forecasted
10-year returns pretty well lines with
the actual returns
uh with the exception of 86 to about 95.
you had this weird Gap right here and
then you had this almost perfect merger
again
hmm and then of course there's this
10-year lag in in uh and that's why this
this line ends right here but anyway uh
Rising rate environment fine let's see
finally ready my time go for the Gusto
equal weighted S P 500 so what do we got
here we're relatively neutral on the cap
market cap weighted S P 500 given its
high exposure to long duration growth
stocks so there's still a little bit of
a bear on probably your big names like
the Apple the Microsoft the Amazon
Facebook I would imagine to some except
Tesla uh concentration risk seven stocks
drove the entire gain of the S P 500
year today on top of five Stacks uh
stocks uh let's see representing 22
percent of the S P 500 yeah the ones I
just mentioned Apple's market caps
surpassed the Russell 2000 in total wow
it's pretty remarkable
uh extreme concentration remains or risk
remains in the market well yeah here's
your again your Microsoft Apple Amazon
Facebook uh and your top five companies
at 22 right now so really dragging that
S P 500 up so it seems like they're big
fans here of diversifying uh but they
argue for a bigger upside to consensus
price targets for the equal weighted
index pointing to the equal weighted
index leading the cap weight index okay
this is this is no relatively nominal
difference but they're really trying to
say forget this fear about a recession
uh instead focus more on diversifying
and not just concentrating on those top
five names in the s p 500. another
reason we are more positive on risk
versus safety is the fact that the U.S
regime indicator is waffling between
downturn and an upturn
okay well and when you move from
downturn to upturn you should see some
bullishness in the market okay
interesting so this is a b of a piece
and it sort of aligns with Citibank
making news this morning talking about
uh 15 or sorry 21 billion dollars
flowing into the market there is a lot
of enthusiasm
for being a contrarian and looking at
what the analysts are saying and and
realizing okay well if analysts are
mostly bearish and calling for this
earnings recession maybe it just won't
be that bad probably my favorite piece
from this is uh is right here this
transition from where we sit as
relatively close to extreme bearishness
and uh how
that's that's a pretty good leading
indicator as well as the lesson on
valuations I think the lesson on
valuations is is so important because so
many people especially if you just look
on Twitter just talk about oh well the p
e ratio okay well what earnings are you
using are you using 2022 earnings from
the whole or using end of the year 2023.
it's it's quite fascinating when you
look at the difference of those numbers
so uh I I encourage considering that
in your analysis this is why personally
I give you sort of my hint what I like
doing is I like looking at a PEG ratio
and understanding okay well what is
something uh trading at relative to its
growth that we're projecting and to get
through some of the craziness of this
earnings recession I like to get out of
2022 and what I'm looking for is what
are what are we looking at for the end
of the year
so for example end phase is looking at
about a five dollar and 52 Cent EPS by
the end of the year uh and end phase
right now let's say it's trading for
165. that's what I remember trading for
yesterday it might be a little bit
higher so call it 165 divided by uh 552.
that puts you at about a 29.9 call it 30
times a p e ratio well their growth over
the next until 2027 so that'll be five
years you're looking at uh an average
estimate here of growth of uh that's
probably about 18 but let me do the math
really quick 32 8 plus and I go with
growth after the end of the year so that
would be 24 25
26
27 divided by five uh it's 17.5 okay I
was pretty close so 30 divided by 17.5
that's how much I'm paying for growth
you're paying a PEG ratio of about 1.7
right now which I actually think that's
generally where I'd like to be with my
growth stocks is around 1.6 1.7 with the
peg ratios just to do another one
and this one's just a little wild right
now but it'd be fun to look at is look
at Nvidia and and all of these numbers
could obviously change if the company's
going to grow more than the market is
expecting but nvidia's blow up lately
has really kind of messed with these
numbers a little bit so look at Nvidia
nvidia's forecast is four dollars and 11
cents for the uh sorry uh 456 456 for
January 2024 so that's pretty much year
end so if I go 311 divided by 456 we're
looking at a 68 times forward p e ratio
good Lord and then the growth thereafter
is expected to be about 23 24 go with
even 25 to be generous you're looking at
a PEG ratio that's 2.7
well above 1.7 we're we're in phase for
example sits right now uh so I think
probably end face has has some work to
do in terms of uh the stock going up
versus uh Nvidia being a little probably
uh over allocated to right now probably
isn't too good going into earnings
you're you're set up on on this pedestal
of perfection look at uh Tesla for
example 346 so if I go 188 divided by
346 end of the year earnings per share
that trades for 50 4.4 times use a 30
EPS growth you're sitting at 1.8 for a
peg so both test Tesla identity is
looking a lot more delicious in terms of
evaluation point of view so I I
personally like looking at valuations
that way I think sometimes we can over
complicate analysis with uh with with
too many spreadsheets and uh too much
uh you know too much over analysts or
analysis rather and we forget that uh
that ultimately valuations do matter and
in the case of many stocks valuations
right now don't actually look so
horribly extreme and I think that sort
of reiterates what we just saw in the
Bank of America piece so hopefully at
least some of that is insightful to you
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