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all right now we gotta talk about the
Federal Reserve what is going to happen
on the 22nd what is Jerome Powell going
to do what are markets pricing in and
what do we think well it's a coin toss
right now and markets are going to
flip-flop a lot on Monday and Tuesday
but I think what's most important is
that we actually take a look at the SCP
now we haven't looked at the sap in a
little bit it's been a hot minute but
what we're going to do right now is
we're going to pull up the sap that we
got last in December now keep in mind
the SCP from December is not the most
recent analysis from the Federal Reserve
but we're going to get a new version of
this on the 22nd of March and we're
going to go through it with a fine-tooth
comb because I believe that is going to
be much more applicable than what the
FED actually does with their rate move I
think we're probably going to get a 25
BP hike I think a pause would signal too
much stress in the banking system I
think a 25 BP is a sign of confidence
that no are strong we're going to
continue to fight inflation and we can
continue to do so even though we're
panicking in the back end and printing
money like crazy we're going to continue
fighting inflation and therefore we're
going to raise rates 25 BP this is
despite the fact that Elon Musk says
that the FED is operating with way too
much latency in their data and rates
need to drop immediately Elon Musk
tweeted yesterday but let's look at the
SCP foreign
excuse me all right uh okay so SCP is
right here this is the last summary of
economic projections now what I want you
to remember is this was released on
December 14th when the Federal Reserve
conducted their last fomc press
conference they told us that they expect
that this SCP would have actually been
higher if they had to go back to their
February 1 if they had to write it
February 1. so come February 1 the FED
would have written this SCP more
aggressively than what it was here
however now we actually expect it to be
written down now how could it be written
down well we'll take a look at that
first we have to remember that inflation
is sticky that is something very
important so let's go ahead and start
with this chart before we look at the
sap so let's pull it up like this okay
what I want you to pay attention to are
the trends here
so first I'm going to go ahead and draw
uh let's go ahead and do a big old big
red okay yeah perfect okay so the first
thing I want you to pay attention to is
this this trend right here so you see
this trend that I drew right here okay
that was a problem and that Trend
continued to about June of 2022. see
that Trend right here that is critically
important
the reason that trend is critically
important is because of that trend is a
Paul volcker style Trend that Trend
right there tells you you're screwed you
get out
do not be anywhere but cash and maybe
even gold because we're going to hell
that trend is the death of markets that
trend is what a wage price spiral looks
like that trend is the end of the
financial markets as we know it
fortunately that trend has stopped and
we expect that Trend we're going to look
at the new trend in just a moment here
and then we'll look at the sap but I
want to be very clear about that we are
not in that kind of trend line anymore
what do we know in a Consolidated
30-second pitch no not for life
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but in a 30 second Pitch what do we know
about the market where it is now we know
the supply of labor is higher we know
there is no wage price spiral we know
that yes wages have caught up to levels
where they should be which includes some
lingering price hikes but companies are
taking it in the margin we know
companies ability to just raise prices
is gone that's over we are not seeing
the conditions of a wage price spiral
period
that means less chance of a Paul volcker
from a wage point of view but where is
that showing up from a CPI point of view
ah consistent as well the conditions for
a wage price file are not in labor and
they are not in CPI look over here
so this is obviously a much more
difficult uh Trend here to draw we could
draw a trend right here we could also
try to wedge this a little bit like this
it's it's you know it's a little
volatile over here because we have this
very large drop
but the point is
this trend that we had of higher highs
is over it's substantially over we know
this is still too high right because the
trend right here brings us to around
four to six percent inflation it's
sticky it's a problem but it is no
runaway inflation it is no Paul volcker
inflation expectations are falling
Financial conditions are tight and high
this is not a Paul volcker scenario so
the Federal Reserve has substantial
leeway to loosen their summary of
economic projections so let's talk about
the summary of economic projections
what's up hex Flex dude I love that name
uh I had I like I'm a sucker for the
Rhymes you know I who was it with um
um Sarah dichi made a joke the other day
she said her husband uh he's uh he's
from South Korea and uh I guess his his
screen name used to be uh uh because his
last name's Hill uh so he I guess his
screen name used to be uh what was it I
can't remember now what it was John
uh um Kim Jong Hill I think he may or
something like that but anyway I'm a
sucker for screen names I think that's
hilarious uh I can't remember exactly
what it was but stuff like that that's
cool so what's up hex Flex I don't know
why I'm going on that tangent maybe
because the coffee hasn't hit yet and I
really don't want to talk about this
boring chart right here actually I do
want to talk about it it just looks very
dry so I'm trying to inject humor but
I'm failing massively but it's okay it's
uh it's six in the morning on a Sunday
and I just went to the t-swizzle concert
last night and I feel dead inside anyway
okay did park next to her plane though
that was pretty cool okay that that was
like pinch me I can die so anyway what
do we have here change okay so first of
all I think where we're gonna get and
this is gonna I'm gonna tell you my
opinion over here because that's that's
all we're going to go through is really
my opinion here so let's do some erasing
okay we're gonna erase this crap I had
drawn last time and what are we gonna
have over here change in Real GDP so
here's what's important in the December
meeting they showed that their
projection for a change in Real GDP fell
substantially the concern going forward
I'm going to tell you this is going to
be the most concerning for the stock
market so if you're an investor if you
are a a Trader I promise you the most
important and and I okay the mo
let me just get it out the most
important segment of this summary of
economic projections is right here folks
it's this box you could really look at
nothing else that's the box that matters
because everything else is going to be
based on that box right there everything
is going to be predicated on this top
box the fed's expectation for recession
that's it and so here's what happens if
the Federal Reserve suggests that we
could go negative here which I do not
think they will ever do that the market
will crash instantly the market will
crash if that number goes negative I do
not think they are going to do that
though because this is a tool this is
not what they actually really likely
think is going to happen it's a
messaging tool it's to try to manipulate
the market to do what they want it to do
okay it's a Communications tool it's a
joke that's all it is but but that's
okay it's a Communications tool that
that just that's really never accurate
but the messaging of it will affect
Traders at least in the short term so
where could the messaging be dangerous
they're not going to go negative here
what they're going to do in my opinion
is they're going to lower this right
here that hi Lauren
that 2024 number I think they're going
to revise that down and potentially
although I don't think they go under 0.5
ever uh if they went any under 0.5 over
here that's another recessionary
indicator but I don't think they're
going to do that I think that .16 number
potentially could go down so I'm going
to write my bet okay I think that number
could go down to 1.0 uh
uh silly little chart thing here there
we go uh if that 1.0 number over here
goes down
to or sorry that 1.6 number goes down to
about 1.0
I think the market goes red I think the
market will be very nervous and that's
because the markets don't care so much
about inflation anymore right now they
care about a recession and that is a
recessionary indicator and so that that
is a recessionary indicator that markets
are going to be a little pissy about uh
in addition to that uh the 2025 number
I'm not so worried about I do think the
longer run they'll Trend towards that uh
1.8 and that's so far away nobody really
cares but the question is are we going
to see that five quarter recession that
the uh Goldman Sachs and TS Lombard were
talking about yesterday yesterday we
covered in our reports that there's a
potential for a five quarter long
recession that five quarter long
recession could begin as soon as uh that
would be the third quarter of 2023 and
Lasting basically through 2024. if the
Federal Reserve agrees that we could be
seeing a five quarter long recession
they are going to revise down that GDP
figure on their SCP personally I believe
that is the most important segment uh of
that of this chart and it's one that you
really want to pay attention to now uh
the next thing we're going to do is
let's look at the rest of the chart here
let me see okay here we go and remember
this meeting is on the 22nd so you
really want to pay attention to what's
going on on the 22nd okay dokie then so
the next thing this unemployment rate
now this will be interesting
so I want to see if the Federal Reserve
actually thinks they can get this number
up I don't think they're going to change
the unemployment rate much for for 2023
but I would not be surprised if they
adjust this 2024 number and this ends up
being a five five so I would go 5.5
right here those are going to be my like
if I was at The Fad this is what I would
do I would be real right here I'd go 5.5
for the unemployment rate I would expect
a big take up over here I'd go GDP down
to one percent now you're sending real
concerns about a recession then what
you're going to do in my opinion is for
this for this rate trajectory let's
erase all this crap over here those are
the last notes that we made
uh and remember I don't delete videos
you can always go back and look at the
stuff I said in the past I actually
think that's a really cool thing because
then we can kind of compare to the Past
stuff but so that's why I'm erasing that
now is because it's all in old videos
anyway
so um fed funds right what do we have
over here we've got a projection of 5.1
okay I don't think we're going to hit
that anymore we're not going to get to
that so this is probably going to drop
to my previous belief that we were going
to hit about 4.8 uh that would probably
be like a 4.75 which would probably be
consistent with one more 25 BP hike and
that's it I don't think we're going to
cut this time I don't think we're going
to pause this time give us one more 25
that'll signal a 25 or a 4.8 now what a
really this could really balance the the
market potentially going red on
Wednesday what could balance it is this
number right here 4 1 is the Fed
potentially by the end of the year next
year by the end of 2024 are they
potentially going to uh signal large
cuts by the end of the year beginning of
next year 4 8 over here is probably I
don't think they're going to want to
Signal cuts at the end of this year even
though the market is pricing it in
they'll want to show no no we'll be
strong even though they probably will
cut by the end of the year I think this
number goes down probably quickly to 3 5
and this number over here probably to 2
5 pretty quickly and those are the 24
and 5 numbers for the fomc rate
projections uh so I think you're going
to get a slash next year in the
projections over here uh and and I don't
really think this inflation projection
matters much over here you could
actually possibly see the FED come in
over here and you could actually see
them raise this
to let's say 3.8 to signal that they're
okay with more stickiness so in other
words I wouldn't be surprised to see the
inflation numbers actually come up the
GDP numbers to come down and the rate
numbers to come down that'll be enough
of a signal that the fomc is okay with
slightly stickier inflation
and a higher for longer trajectory as a
result though trending closer to
recession and more unemployment now one
of the analogies that I that I was
reading about this morning I I wake up
too early I'm sorry I really do feel
very tired
but one of the projections uh this
morning
um
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but anyway
um one of the things I was reading about
this morning was this idea that
people like to think of the Federal
Reserve raising uh rates as sort of
tapping on the brakes but that's
actually a false analogy the Federal
Reserve isn't tapping on the brakes what
they're really doing when they raise
rates is they're pulling a rubber band
but everybody basically keeps spending
like normal and everybody keeps acting
like normal until something breaks and
that breaking is not hitting the brakes
it is the rubber band snapping
and that's what we're seeing with the
banking crisis and so the problem is we
don't really know what the long and
variable lags are of Federal Reserve
monetary policy
because they kind of hate you all at
once and that's one of the problems that
we're going to face and we're going to
hear a lot about I think with the fomc
during the feds press conference I think
we're going to get a lot of hey like we
have to be careful and I think it would
be very good for j-pal and I don't think
I don't know that he watches me he
probably doesn't it would be really
flattering but if I could talk to
durable I don't actually think he does
but if I could talk to Jerome Powell and
I think he knows this
my these I think these projections are
reasonable and remember every individual
at the FED makes their own projections
and then they sort of average them right
that's why when you look at this you can
actually look at the central tendency on
the right and you could look at the
range over here on the far right and you
can kind of see where where all of their
heads are uh you know how lower people
how high are people anyway
if I could talk to j-pal uh I would
probably make projections like that but
I would probably suggest
doing as much as possible to talk about
in a transparent manner how
mindful they want to be about the lags
of monetary policy and how the fact of
the matter is they just don't know what
the lags are is it an 18-month flag is
it a six month lag is it a two-month
flag and how do we feel that lag is the
lag instantaneous like a rubber band
breaking or is it a Breaking of the
economy like it in the way that you kind
of put your foot you take your foot off
the gas in a car and then you slowly tap
on the brake right and if it's possible
that lags are more of a uh of a
oh God they're all happening at the same
time then then I think it's important
for the Federal Reserve to be
transparent about that potential right
and so I think if Jerome Powell takes
some more time during this this pressure
time or even if a reporter is listening
please somebody who's in that Press Room
asks about is it possible like this if I
could ask a question I mean I'd have a
whole host of questions in but if I was
on the spot right now and being asked
hey what would you ask Jay pal in that
presser say j-pal can can you win a just
as transparently as possible go through
what is a long and variable lag mean in
the effect of
for an average American how do we feel
those lags is it by us crashing and
hitting a wall or do we feel the effects
of monetary policy slowly and then he'll
probably go into well I mean interest
rates go up slowly right lending
conditions tighten financially tighten
slowly uh credit card rates go up home
rates go up you know that's how we feel
that as an average person right and no
no that's not what we need to hear we
know that
we need to know
is the banking crisis we're facing the
culmination of a policy lag and how bad
is that actually going to get
how many banks are actually going to
collapse now of course there's a limit
to how much detail he can go into here
because he doesn't want to create a
crisis so I think we really have to
think about being jaded in the way that
you ask a question because if you ask a
question that you know he's not going to
answer anyway then you've kind of asked
a worthless question
but any kind of hints that we can get
in j-pow talking to us about okay yeah
maybe these lags can all come at once
and we have to be very careful those
hints or what I think are going to be
eaten up by the market and it's going to
take a lot of thinking about those hints
in terms of how we we digest those but I
think we're going to get a lot of those
hints this time that's what I think this
press conference is going to be about
it's going to be about hints dropping
hints that
we're probably going into recession this
banking crisis sucks a lot of banks are
going to go bankrupt and don't worry we
will turn the money printer on again to
bail everyone out and so what hints are
we going to get for the potential fed
U-turn and that I think is the beauty
what hints do we get of the potential
thread U-turn that is what I am most
curious about the hints for the FED
u-turn
and quite frankly more insight into that
fed money printer will be very
interesting because that will confirm is
what we're seeing right now this switch
to QE for the week with 300 billion of
liquidity injected is this just a
transitory QE and are we still going to
stay on the path of QT quantitative
tightening or are we going to pause
remember the FED is tightening to the
tune of 90 billion dollars a month right
now what if they come out and say 25 BP
uh hints that we're basically breaking
the rubber band in the presser higher
unemployment and trending closer to
recession uh and you know what because
of that we're going to slow QT what if
they say that hey we're going to pause
qt or we're going to go from 90 billion
a month to 45. well that's going to be a
sign that
things really are breaking right I don't
think they want to send that signal with
actual policy change so I don't think
they'll change policy but I think
verbally they're going to give us those
hits so I think they'll stay at 90 Bill
QT
see they can still be a 90 Bill qt per
month
but then actually be running the money
printer faster through the FED liquidity
facility so I don't think they have to
change policy so I'm gonna I'm gonna
make my projection we're going to get 25
we're going to keep 90 Bill QT but
they're going to run that money printer
as much as they need to to help this
banking crisis so nothing's actually
going to change
accept the messaging that's why we went
through the sep the sep is going to
matter and how severe is this rubber
band breaking j-pal and I think it's
pretty severe and I think they realize
it and I think we probably are on a path
back to QE and as long as inflation goes
away which it is trending away I do not
believe and look I I respect Peter
Schiff I I really enjoyed my interview
with him I think he is a brilliant
person I I do not think that the 2008
money printing uh from well 2009 on
money printing is what's catching up now
and that the covet inflation is still
ahead of us it was a fantastic argument
you should watch the interview uh I
respectfully disagree with Peter and
that's okay everybody can have a
different opinion that doesn't mean a
dislike the guy I hate thing I love
Peter I think he's a brilliant person
and he's a wonder he's got a fantastic
family I love them his wife is so cool
uh his his son is brilliant uh his his
mom is super cool she is so she is like
an OG Hustler man so cool I want to make
like I want to interview Peter schiff's
mom like confronting Peter schiff's mom
she's got such a cool story she is like
an OG Hustler she made it as a woman
were generally only men made it and it
was it's remarkable she was like the
analogy I would make is that the power
woman in in uh in like a Manhattan admin
madman setting super cool but anyway uh
tangents tangents Kevin damn it but
anyway
um
peace where was I basically uh I don't
think we're going back to to uh I I do
think that this inflation on screen here
is going away
and I think the FED knows that they can
take their time and the reason I know
they can take their time is because
they've done it before and I'm not just
gonna pull the my my old fate flexible
average inflation targeting uh argument
out of the Hat again even though I think
they're going to do that I'm going to
pull a new one okay you ready for this
I've talked about this before but it's
been a while since we've talked about it
opportunistic disinflation study that
make that your mission today study
opportunistic disinflation by the way
this is the kind of stuff why I think
it's it's cool if you join me in the
course member live streams as well
because I do think I have some crazy
perspectives that that are unique and
different you don't have to agree with
me and everything I think that's why the
haters come back and they watch me too
is because it's good to know even people
you don't like or people you want to
just punch in the face it's good to know
what they think right
look into opportunistic disinflation
what is opportunistic disinflation well
basically once inflation expectations
were under control in the early 1980s
via Paul volcker the Federal Reserve
took 20 years to get back to two percent
inflation and they did so because they
could
every opportunity they had every market
crash or whatever inflation went lower
and lower and lower and as long as we do
not have a wage price spiral which we
don't and as long as we do not have
runaway inflation which we don't and as
long as inflation expectations are
anchored which we have and as long as
Financial conditions are tight which we
have
the Federal Reserve all the conditions
are here the Federal Reserve can buckle
up under something known as
opportunistic disinflation in other
words you buckle up and you just take
your time and you let inflation subside
over time even if it takes another
decade okay in the meantime you run the
money printer and back to the Moon we go
baby and look I'm not a moon boy okay
maybe I am a but um but but that's what
I think
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