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And I remember I was going on a bike

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ride one day. I saw Satan and he was

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telling me so much things that I knew,

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you know, I wasn't good enough and I

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could do nothing to to relieve myself of

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the pain of the of the mental torment

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that I was going through. And I was

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agreeing and he said, you know, there is

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one way. I asked how. He began to

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explain that the only way that I could

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get rid of all the bad things in my life

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was to kill the girl that I had placed

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everything on. He gave me instructions.

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I was instructed to leave my house at

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midnight. It had to be midnight. To go

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to where she lived, to go through her

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window while she was sleeping, to bring

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a rope and a knife and I go home and I

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just keep reliving the instructions that

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he gave me day after day. I start

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fantasizing about it. I start planning

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out how it's going to go. I remember

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having the stuff and going to my front

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door. Shalom. My name is Lucky. I'm 17

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and I'm from Glastford, New Jersey. This

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is my [music] testimony.

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>> [music]

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>> So, growing up, I was baptized Catholic,

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but very early on, we stopped going to

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church um completely. We never talked

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about God. We never discussed religion.

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We never discussed pretty much anything

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o of that like sector. It was pretty

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like everyday like what's happening

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today, not what's happening in the

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future, not where we're going to go

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after we die, not any sort of higher

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power or anything like that. My life

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before Christ, before I was born, I was

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an emergency birth. I had I'd ended up

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wrapping the um cord around my neck and

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I have a mark from it still to this day.

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There's just like a little red spot

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right around my neck. Um, and I began

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choking myself and I can't remember like

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how long my mind was already without

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oxygen just because of that. So I I was

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a C-section. I was an emergency birth

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and

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you know things just started happening

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very young.

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Then my brother was born 2 years after

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me and then two years after him my

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sister was born.

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And when my sister was born,

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she she was also a C-section. We we were

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all C-sectioned. Um but the doctor who

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was paying attention to my mother's

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oxygen levels during my sister's birth

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was looking away. So my mother went

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without oxygen to her brain for however

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many minutes. and she ended up suffering

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a noxic brain injury resulting in total

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neuropathy from the waist down. She

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can't feel anything, couldn't really

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move anything. Um,

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her cognitive ability declined. She

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couldn't really put sentences together.

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She stopped being able to speak right.

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Words just wouldn't come out. Uh, her

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memory,

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she she has a lot of memory loss. She

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doesn't remember who we are sometimes.

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her mood went up and down. There would

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be seizures at most like four or six

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times a year where she would just be in

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the hospital for seizures about a two

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week span for each.

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Um,

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you know, she had motor motor skill

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failure.

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Her hands wouldn't work. She couldn't

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really speak. You know, her eyesight was

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already bad. Her hearing was already

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bad. and that just worsened with all the

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issues

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and it's just been a decline really. You

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know, she used to be with a used to be

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with a cane and now she's with a walker

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and even now if we ever take her

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outside, which is rare, it's a scooter,

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you know,

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and it's it's mainly just carrying her

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around the house at this point, but that

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happened when I was four.

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So, you know, I was four. I had two

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younger siblings. My father, he, you

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know, he does so much, but he always

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kind of struggled with alcoholism. You

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know, there were nights where

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we wouldn't know when when he was coming

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home

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and

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like none of us had any way to contact

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him because we were so young and my

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mother was, you know, unable.

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So there there's nights where he's

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coming home drunk. He's he's been at the

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bar. We haven't seen him for however

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long. And at the same time, he ended up

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leaving his job to take care of my

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mother. So there'd be times where we we

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wouldn't see him all day. Like he has

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nowhere to be, but he just wouldn't be

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home.

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So from a very young age, I had to step

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up. I had to start taking care of my

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mother. I had to start taking care of my

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siblings.

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Um,

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you know, just very young. And it was

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basic stuff at first,

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like I I can't even remember, but it it

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was basic stuff, but as the years went

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on, it was just more and more and more.

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And

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my mother because of what happened to

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her,

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she almost

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like hated my sister in a sense. Like I

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remember multiple occasions growing up

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where my mother would like grab my

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sister and then she was just born

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and she would almost like try to

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strangle her in a sense like she'd place

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her hands around her neck and

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my my sister again very young is

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flailing around. She can't do anything.

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She's just a baby.

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Um, and that went on for a really long

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time. And we were also at this time in a

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one-bedroom apartment, so we would all

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like sleep in the same room,

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do whatnot. Um,

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so it was just really hard cuz

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we we ended up like selling the one bed

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we had for like a bunk bed and

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no one would sleep on top. But my mother

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would sleep on the bottom bunk. So my

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father, my my sister had a crib at this

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point, but my sister, my brother, we'd

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all pretty much sleep on the floor every

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night. Um, you know, which feels nice

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sometimes, but not not every single

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night. And then like I also remember it

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was very it was very dirty like you know

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we never really had time or I never

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really had time to clean and I didn't

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know what I was doing. Like I was so

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young so we'd be sleeping on the floor

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and there's bugs crawling all over.

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Um you know I didn't get enough sleep.

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Didn't get a lot of sleep most nights

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and then you know next year. So, I'm

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five. I go into kindergarten.

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And

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I I remember meeting meeting this girl.

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Her name was Mia. And we we became like

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we became best friends. We we would talk

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to each other all the time.

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We we would always be around each other.

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And

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you know, I I wouldn't talk to anyone

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else. I I was isolated outside of that

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because I had responsibilities at home.

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If I didn't do what needed to be done,

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things didn't get done.

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So, at school, it was just this one

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person. And it was very interesting cuz

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I forgot about this for a very long

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time. But [sighs]

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um

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we we figured out that like kind of if

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we closed our eyes for a really long

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time and hard enough that we would begin

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to just see images

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and we thought, hey, this is really

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cool, so let's start doing that. Um, I

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remember just going home

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a [clears throat] after being in school

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with her and you know just writing the

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things I saw like scribbling because I

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was five and even my handwriting now

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isn't so good. So very very loose

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scribbles of what I had seen and she did

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the same and then we'd come into school

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the next day and we'd just we just talk

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about that

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and like we were five. I remember one

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day she tells me that she's going to

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move

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and we've known each other for like a

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few months. We haven't even known each

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other for that long. But she tells me

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she's going to move after Christmas and

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we're not going to have any way of

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staying in contact.

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So I I didn't really

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process it then, I guess. But I remember

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going home that night and doing the same

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thing that we would do, which close our

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eyes, see what we saw. And I had seen

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three images.

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The first one was of a family traveling.

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The second one was of them getting into

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an accident, and the third one was

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death.

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And

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I I didn't say that to her for whatever

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reason. I didn't understand it, but I

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just didn't say it.

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And I I don't even know what I saw

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because it's not like

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I was five. I didn't know what I was

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seeing. Like I was seeing things that I

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hadn't seen before. When I say death, I

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don't even know what I what I saw.

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But I I know I I hadn't come I hadn't

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experienced that before,

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but I I knew it was death.

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And you know, I don't tell her. And we

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the next few weeks we're still talking

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as normal. And

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you know, then Christmas comes and she

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leaves. And

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you know, I don't I don't think much of

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it.

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Um, but after that I just completely

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isolate myself. It's not I I talk to no

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one in school. I talk to no one after

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school. And you get to a point where you

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say no to enough people, they eventually

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stop trying.

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So I was just very isolated

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very early on. And at home while this

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was happening, my father was very angry.

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He'd become very angry with us or not

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really at us but just at the situation.

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You know, he has three very young

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children. He's doesn't have a job. He's

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he has to take care of his wife. You

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know, it it's it's not easy. So he he'd

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become very upset at the situation,

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frustrated at the situation, and he'd,

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you know, he'd take that out on us. He'd

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yell at us. He'd yell at my mother,

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you know, we didn't really have anyone

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to help out. We had my uncle who

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actually lived on the same property as

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we did, but he lived in like the house

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where we lived in the apartment just

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because it was easier to manage with um

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with the kids. It was easy. It was

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smaller.

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um it was just easier

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and yeah he'd become very upset with us,

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very angry and I think I picked that I

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picked that up very early where you know

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I'd have these small inconveniences and

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I would become upset. I would become

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angry. Um I I didn't want to do like

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anything that I was told to do. I

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remember multiple instances where

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like you know my mother would tell me to

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go to like timeout or something like

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that and I wouldn't want to but the

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thought process was different. It wasn't

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I don't want to because I don't want to.

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It's I don't want to because I'm doing

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everything else.

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So again from a very young age it was

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my my mother wasn't my mother. My mother

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was almost my child in a way. I was

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taking care of her,

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you know.

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I was the one doing that.

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And then we go into to first grade and

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I'm

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I have a young birthday. I was born in

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June, the end of June. So I'm the

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youngest in my class always. So I'm like

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five or six in first grade.

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And at this time

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we,

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you know, again, I'm around a lot of

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like anger. I'm around a lot of

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frustration. There was a kid in my

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class, his name was Nick, and he

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suffered from

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like uncontrollable anger. I haven't I

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haven't seen anything. Honestly, looking

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back on it, I would probably call it

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demonic.

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you know, every every few days he'd just

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lash out. He would be flipping over

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tables.

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We're we're six years old and he's

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flipping over tables. He's throwing

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stuff. It's so bad that every time he'd

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act like this, the teacher would have to

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call the principal. The teacher would

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have to call for people to back her up.

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She couldn't do that alone cuz you have

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this six-year-old who's flipping over

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tables and they aren't like personal

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desks. They aren't like one one desk a

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person. They're like tables for six

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people.

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So, how he's supposed to flip that over,

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how he's throwing these chairs, how he's

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throwing these things and he's feel the

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teacher feels like he's a threat to her.

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I definitely call it some sort of

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demonic.

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Um, but that was who I would go into

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school with. Um,

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it's also very weird. Again, I was very

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isolated. didn't talk to anyone.

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It was interesting. I had perfect I I

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had perfect marks in school. Like I was

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straight A student 100s on everything. I

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didn't have to study. I didn't have to

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do like I didn't have to put work into

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it. It wasn't an effort thing. Like it

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just came naturally,

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but it was never good enough.

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Um, and not even to my father, not even

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to my mother. They didn't they weren't

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all too concerned about that.

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Um, more more like to the teacher

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herself,

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it was, "Yeah, yeah, you got a 100, but

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you know, why why aren't you talking to

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people like like this person is? Why

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aren't you why aren't you behaving like

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this person is? You know, it's 100, but

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why isn't the thought process the same

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as this person?"

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So e even when I was at perfection, even

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when I was 100%, it just wasn't enough.

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And

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we would go after school, me and my

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siblings, to daycare

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at someone's house.

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And it was almost like

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not 24hour, but every time we weren't at

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school and we weren't home, we were

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there. even on the weekends.

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And

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a and also this after my sister was

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born, we stopped going to church because

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of all the

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um complications with my mother. It just

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became harder to get her outside of the

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house. The apartment we lived on the

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second story. The first story was like a

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garage, so we would be having to carry

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her up almost like 21 stairs.

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which

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try carrying dead weight up 21 stairs.

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It ain't it ain't easy, especially when

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there's only one one person, my father,

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could carry that weight at a time. Um,

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so we stopped going to church. So every

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day that we weren't home or at school,

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we would be at that daycare. Saturday,

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Sunday, any holiday, anything, whenever

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we would get off from school, we would

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go there.

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Um,

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and again it was very like I was very

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disobedient, very rebellious

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because I'm thinking, well, I'm already

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doing a lot at home. Why do I need to

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listen to you? Like, we're we're doing

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the same thing.

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It it was a lot like that. And I

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remember

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I remember there was this one older girl

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at at the daycare. I can't remember how

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much older she was than me at the time,

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but

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you know, she started she started

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bringing me away from the group and

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she would have

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she would have me expose myself in a

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way. Um,

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yeah, she would

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she'd bring me away from the group and I

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would like sexually experiment, for lack

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of better terms.

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Um,

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I I don't really know. I was so young

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and that just kept going on and that

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that kind of started.

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Um

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like then I was six I was 6 years old

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and that kind of started like the

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like the sexual perversion in me um

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being used like that.

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Um, so, so that would happen at daycare

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and that would that was every time I

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wasn't at school and I I was isolated

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and when I was home I was doing things

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and I was taking care of my brother and

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my sister and [clears throat]

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again my mother was still trying to

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almost kill my sister when my father

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wasn't home and I would be the only one

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who could see it and I was the only one

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who who would stop it.

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And

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um

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yeah, and I was exposed to anger and you

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know, no nothing was ever good enough.

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Even if I was even if I was perfect and

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I I still really missed Mia and I I

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didn't know why.

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She was really the only person I'd ever

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known who who talked to me like that.

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Um,

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so I I I still just really [gasps]

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missed her and when I was home it was

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like anything anything to escape. So, I

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found a lot of comfort in food and you

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know I I just start eating and you know

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then I don't like how I look because

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you know I'm a bigger kid than the

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others

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and I guess that that made it easier for

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the girl at daycare to do what she did

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cuz you know I wasn't going to say no

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you know and it there was also like a

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fear of being seen or a fear of being

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heard. Like I I had this shame and this

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guilt of of eating.

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So I I would eat so much but not when

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not when my father was home. I would eat

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so much but not when someone was

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looking. Um

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you know we again we were in a

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one-bedroom apartment. I wouldn't I

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wouldn't leave that room if I knew

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someone was out there like someone I

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didn't know someone I did know.

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It it was almost like a paralyzing fear,

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but I still had things to do. [snorts]

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So then that comes back on me where all

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right, I can't do it, but I need to do

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it. And because I can't do it, I'm

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failed.

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But even if I were to get it done, it's

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not good enough.

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It should have been done that way or it

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should have been done that way. And at

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this time, things in the house also

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start breaking.

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So even even if I were to do it

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perfectly now things aren't working

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and because they're not working, my

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father's getting frustrated.

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So every time he's home, there's just a

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lot of yelling and a lot of why can't we

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do things right? And my brother, he's

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about four at this time. So he's like

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he's running around the house and he's

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always been a runner. He's running

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around the house. He's causing chaos.

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You know, things get broken.

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Um,

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things get broken and all that. And that

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just comes out on all of us. And because

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I was the older one, even at that young

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age, it was it fell on me.

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Um,

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and it's always been a weird

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relationship with my father as as I got

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older. You know, he started taking me

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out of the daycare earlier than he would

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the others and we would go to a pub.

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Um, I think it was called Clancy's and

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we would just go there for like an hour

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eating French fries.

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I don't know what that was about. Um,

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but that that was the only time we

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really

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had a moment together.

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And even then, it wasn't it wasn't

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anything of substance.

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Like, I was so young, so we couldn't

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really talk, but we didn't talk at all.

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And

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my mother because of the injury

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um to her brain, she would wake up

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sometimes at night and she would have

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these delusions of where she thinks

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something's going on, but it's just not

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true. There were a couple nights where

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she tried to after waking up grab the

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keys, walk down the stairs by herself,

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and go driving.

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And it was very interesting because they

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never took away her license so she could

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legally still drive

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but she would seize as I said

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almost out of anywhere

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and they you know they can't do much.

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They just started piling on the

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medications

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and we had received a so he went to

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court against the doctor who wasn't

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paying attention but he was a

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Pennsylvania doctor operating in a New

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Jersey hospital under insurance from

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South Carolina.

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So we settled out of court for about I

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think $800,000

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to a million dollars. So, we had money

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for the time, but that was the money

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that was supposed to hold her off to

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um forever

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that was supposed to put her in a home

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if we ever felt that was necessary.

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And while my parents were older when I

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was born, I think my father was um

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late very late 40s pushing early 50s and

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my mother wasn't too far behind him.

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So

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that that's another reason why all the

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births were, you know, more difficult.

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She was older.

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Um,

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[snorts] yeah. But, you know, I've never

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really had a close relationship with my

25:03

parents. As I said, with my mother, it's

25:06

always been, well, I'm kind of more of

25:09

your parent than you are of mine. I'm

25:11

I'm doing everything.

25:14

Um,

25:16

but anyway, [snorts] as we go,

25:19

I think it's about like second grade.

25:21

All this is still happening at daycare.

25:22

all is still happening at home. And I

25:25

event I I start to have these like

25:27

random crying spells where I would just

25:30

be in the room,

25:33

you know, balling my eyes out cuz it

25:35

it's just too much,

25:38

you know, it's too much and I would and

25:41

my brother is all I really had.

25:46

So

25:47

this fear, this intense fear came on

25:50

that that one day he was just going to

25:54

he was just going to die. He he wasn't

25:56

going to be there anymore. And I think I

25:59

I remember around the same time

26:03

we were driving, my my father had picked

26:06

us all up from school and we were

26:07

driving home

26:09

and for whatever reason my brother had

26:13

when we had gotten home jumped out of

26:16

the car um and ran away

26:22

and my my father went after him and I

26:25

think that's where the fear started.

26:29

And then there was another time where my

26:32

father had picked us up from school

26:33

again and we were driving home and I

26:36

forget what was said, but my father was

26:39

just very angry with everyone.

26:41

And when we arrived at home, he had just

26:45

gotten out of the car and walked away.

26:48

And my brother followed him

26:52

and we didn't know where he was.

26:56

Um, and we lived on two main roads.

27:00

So, for a long time we, you know, we had

27:04

thought he ran out into the street

27:07

and then something happened to him and

27:11

my mother was in the car and

27:14

again there's 21 stairs, so I can't get

27:18

her up that.

27:20

So you have her crawling up the stairs

27:25

and I and my sister's still there and

27:28

she's still young and she would have

27:29

been about I think three at the time.

27:33

Um

27:35

so she she's in her little seat in the

27:38

car and she doesn't know what's going

27:40

on.

27:42

And

27:43

so my sister would walk into like

27:45

everything. So, I I think I remember her

27:48

having a bump on her forehead

27:50

where she had walked into the garage

27:53

door.

27:55

Um,

27:56

but yeah, she didn't know what was going

27:58

on. And my father eventually returned

28:02

and he didn't have my brother with him.

28:04

And it was a few hours and I don't know

28:07

why, but we didn't I don't think we

28:09

notified the police.

28:12

I have no clue why. Um, you know, you

28:15

have a missing five-year-old who

28:16

possibly ran into the street because

28:18

again, we were two main roads.

28:21

That was like all we had. Um, but a

28:26

couple hours go by, we don't know where

28:27

he is. And these two ladies who I've

28:31

never seen before in my life and I never

28:34

saw after that, they show up with him,

28:37

which I I don't know how he knew where

28:39

he lived. I don't know how they knew

28:42

where he lived. I don't know how they

28:44

knew that he was ours or anything, but

28:48

they just show up with him and they give

28:51

him back and they walk away.

28:55

[gasps]

28:56

I I don't know what happened with that.

29:00

But I I I really think that's where just

29:03

the fear of him not being around anymore

29:07

really start started to grip me.

29:11

Um cuz he he wasn't he wasn't helpful.

29:15

It it was still me doing everything, but

29:17

he was, you know, he was kind of nice to

29:19

have around.

29:22

[gasps]

29:23

So, [laughter]

29:25

[snorts] you know, I I would miss him.

29:27

And I had it in my mind where if if he

29:31

wasn't there, if he had passed away,

29:35

that would have been complete isolation.

29:38

Like not only would I not talk to

29:41

anyone, I didn't I didn't picture myself

29:43

going to school.

29:45

I didn't picture myself doing anything.

29:47

I pictured myself

29:50

like without him. I pictured myself

29:53

dying alone.

29:55

I was 7 years old.

29:58

There's no reason I should have any

29:59

concept of that,

30:04

but I I did. And it it it just plagued

30:08

me. There would be again just randomly

30:11

I'd start crying and I'd go into the

30:14

like a corner closet where I would just

30:17

go into and kind of shut myself off away

30:20

from the world just crying.

30:23

And between the crying and the eating,

30:25

like I didn't do much else. I still had

30:28

all the responsibilities.

30:31

They all got done cuz again if they

30:33

didn't they wouldn't have.

30:36

But yeah, this fear just started to grip

30:40

me and it it carried over when I was in

30:44

school.

30:45

I would um

30:48

like it it was anxiety 24/7. Whenever I

30:51

w whenever I was around another person,

30:54

it was like my whole body would just get

30:56

hot

30:58

and I would freeze up and I wasn't able

31:00

to talk. So no, no, no longer was it I

31:02

wasn't talking to anyone because I

31:04

didn't want to. It was I I could not

31:08

no words would come out.

31:11

I I would just look at them and I say

31:14

there was a peri that was a period of 8

31:16

years

31:18

where I didn't talk to anyone.

31:22

Um again, not because I didn't want to.

31:25

I It was interesting. I I wanted to be

31:28

seen, but I couldn't be seen because if

31:30

I if I was seen, I would have this

31:32

anxiety.

31:34

So, it's it's something that I want, but

31:37

I it's right in front of me and I can

31:39

never have it.

31:41

And all I have to do is just just sit

31:43

and be there and watch

31:46

and watch as other people get it as

31:49

other people get the praise, as other

31:51

people get, you know, get honored for

31:54

doing less than I was doing. But I was

31:57

doing everything and it just wasn't

31:59

enough.

32:01

And it was around this time I I would

32:03

begin to hear like

32:05

like still with the why can't you be

32:08

like them or they're doing so much

32:10

better than you are in this area.

32:13

Like I was getting perfect marks.

32:17

It just wasn't enough. I remember I had

32:19

written a story

32:22

um it was supposed to be like a

32:23

narrative story and I was writing about

32:25

my brother and something that we were

32:26

doing. My my brother loves a game called

32:30

Skylanders and even now like you walk

32:33

into my house and we still have all of

32:35

his Skylanders

32:37

because he he just absolutely loves

32:39

some. And I remember recently, well,

32:42

like two years ago, we went on this like

32:45

bike ride to the Deepford Mall from

32:48

Glassboro

32:49

because he wanted Skylanders.

32:53

And I was fully prepared even now to

32:55

like spend whatever money I had to get

32:58

them for him. But I was writing this

33:00

narrative story about this and I took a

33:06

little longer than most of the other

33:08

kids. I got a hundred on the story. They

33:12

were fine with that. But it was because

33:14

I had taken longer that they they made

33:17

comments. They're like, "Well, it

33:19

shouldn't have taken you this long, or

33:21

this person did it this fast, or this

33:23

person did it like this. Why why

33:24

couldn't you have done it like that?"

33:28

[snorts]

33:29

So, going into third grade,

33:32

um,

33:33

you know, again, it's more of the

33:35

sphere, more of

33:37

it's more of everything.

33:39

Um, and then this is when jealousy

33:42

starts to creep in. Now, now I see other

33:45

people having what I don't have. You

33:48

know, I never felt, again, I never had a

33:50

close relationship with my parents. It's

33:52

always been me. So, I've never felt

33:55

loved by them. I [sighs and gasps]

33:58

never felt loved. I've felt, you know, I

34:00

had to work to earn it. And I would just

34:03

see other other kids like just spending

34:06

time with their parents, going on these

34:08

vacations, going on these trips. And I

34:11

was just so jealous.

34:14

And it was around this time that I also

34:18

got um

34:22

not addicted, but I I I started

34:25

stumbling upon pornographic images.

34:29

and in third grade

34:32

and that just added to it. So now you

34:35

have this these like random crying

34:37

spells and this fear and I'm just eating

34:41

and I have responsibilities and now

34:43

whenever I have I have a free second

34:47

there's these images that I'm looking at

34:50

and

34:53

yeah

34:55

so that happens in the third grade and

34:58

because of what happened in daycare I

35:00

started seeing

35:02

you know my classmates pretty much any

35:05

any girl I saw as purely a sexual

35:07

object,

35:10

like purely

35:14

and

35:15

it was in the third grade.

35:19

So

35:21

like no one else knew what I was talking

35:23

about

35:25

but we would we would go into like

35:26

family life for like you know family

35:30

education which was really sexual

35:32

education in the third grade. I don't

35:35

know what was up with that. Um

35:38

you know it was very basic stuff but

35:40

still shouldn't be. We were like it

35:43

[laughter]

35:44

it was not appropriate but like I I knew

35:48

what they were talking about and it was

35:50

very basic but I I knew what they were

35:54

talking about and that's how I was

35:55

seeing like other girls

36:00

and

36:02

I I would have like all these fantasies,

36:05

you know, about them

36:08

um and all that. At the same time, I was

36:10

too nervous to ever talk to any of them.

36:12

So, it's not like any of this would have

36:14

ever been completed.

36:17

But it was just in my mind and I lived

36:19

in my mind at that point. Like, I lived

36:21

in my mind. I would I'd create all these

36:23

fantasies. I'd create all these

36:25

scenarios of things that would happen

36:27

where like I was a hero or I was doing

36:30

this things I would never do, but I I

36:34

got like satisfaction

36:37

from imagining it. So, yeah. going into

36:40

fourth grade. This is around this time I

36:42

I get we all get pulled out of daycare

36:45

um and we start going to this place

36:49

called the Boys and Girls Club

36:51

um in Glboro

36:54

and that Matt became our like

36:57

that became our 24/7 that became

37:00

whenever we weren't at home or at school

37:01

we were there

37:03

and they had summer programs so we would

37:05

start spending summers there and I met I

37:08

met a person his name is his name is Koi

37:12

and we would have sleepovers

37:17

um you know when we got older. But he

37:22

started I think he introduced like

37:27

cuz I was already introduced to

37:28

pornographic images. I think he

37:30

introduced masturbation. I think that

37:32

was him.

37:34

Um

37:36

so I was just always around him and I

37:38

wasn't talking much again. and I was

37:40

very isolated.

37:42

So that gave him room to talk, that gave

37:44

him room to speak, that gave him room to

37:46

kind of influence me in that way. And

37:49

then going into fourth grade,

37:52

um, also to mention, I was talking to

37:55

myself.

37:57

Like I was talking to myself. I was my

37:59

own best friend. I was all I had. So I

38:01

was talking to myself. I had these

38:02

scenarios.

38:04

going into fourth grade.

38:07

I

38:10

I remember I vividly remember walking

38:13

into that room one day

38:15

and seeing seeing this one girl

38:20

and this was the first time in a long

38:24

time where my first thought had not been

38:28

sexual.

38:30

Instead, I I hated her with ever with

38:33

everything.

38:36

Every bad every bad thing that had ever

38:38

gone on in my life, I had blamed her.

38:43

The moment I saw her,

38:46

I did not know her. I did not even know

38:48

her name. You know, I know it now, but I

38:52

didn't even know her name. I just saw

38:54

her incidentally didn't like her.

38:56

Everything she would do, I would

38:58

criticize in my mind again. too nervous

39:00

to say anything out loud. Um,

39:04

everything she does I criticize in my

39:06

mind. It began with a dislike and it was

39:09

a slow fade through the years into this

39:12

hate into this just like utter despise.

39:16

I

39:18

It disgusted me to see her. It disgusted

39:21

me to think of her. And it was the first

39:24

person in a while where it hadn't been

39:26

sexual.

39:28

And it it just gripped me again. And I

39:31

still had this fear and I still had all

39:32

of this going on at home.

39:35

And

39:37

this is when

39:39

like I would only talk to myself, but I

39:42

would start seeing people like people

39:45

who are not actually there and I'd start

39:48

talking to them and they became friends.

39:52

You know, people who are not real can't

39:55

really hurt you that much.

39:58

So they start becoming my friends. So

40:01

I'm just going through school. I'm not

40:03

even paying attention to the teacher and

40:05

I'm still getting perfect marks.

40:08

So the enemy like really had me in a

40:11

moment of yeah, you don't have to put

40:13

effort in, but it's still not good

40:16

enough. You're you're you're perfect,

40:18

but it's still not good enough.

40:21

Um, I'm talking to these imaginary

40:24

people

40:27

and now these crying spells don't become

40:30

about my brother, they become about Mia.

40:33

I see her.

40:36

I see her vividly. I remember her. I

40:39

have dreams about her.

40:42

I miss her.

40:45

And at this point, I was reminded of the

40:49

three images I saw,

40:52

you know,

40:55

and I just felt guilty.

41:00

I just felt guilty. And and this little

41:02

thing inside of me said that she's dead.

41:07

She's dead. And I just started to cry. I

41:12

I I just I just started crying.

41:14

And I [snorts] I believed it

41:18

and I I just felt guilt for that for a

41:21

long time.

41:22

And

41:24

I remember

41:27

one day I was in in in the room

41:32

and

41:34

there we there was like a candle burning

41:38

and I was trying to reach something for

41:39

my brother. So, I I reached up and

41:42

knocked the candle off and I spilled all

41:45

this like burning hot wax onto my leg

41:49

and it hurt tremendously,

41:52

but I I wasn't bothered by it.

41:58

And in fact, I I think I almost liked

41:59

it. I I think it was

42:03

almost what I what I deserved in a way.

42:06

Um, and there was another time where I

42:10

was at this movie night outdoors and I

42:11

cut up my whole leg. Um, there was a lot

42:15

of blood, but I I didn't mind seeing the

42:18

blood. I don't think I was going to tell

42:20

anyone if no one saw,

42:24

you know, it it was a lot of blood. I

42:25

think it took like 12 stitches to close.

42:28

Um,

42:30

so there was a there was a lot of blood.

42:33

I remember my father says that my whole

42:34

sock was just dyed red like you couldn't

42:39

even clean it. It was just dark red. So

42:43

this new thing with pain, it also it

42:46

also came about where you know it felt

42:49

like something I I needed felt like

42:51

something I deserved.

42:55

And we go on and I start,

42:58

you know, I remember I would because I

43:02

was a bigger kid, I would love to wear

43:03

hoodies and sweatpants. I was

43:05

uncomfortable in jeans for the longest

43:07

time. Um, but I would have these hoodies

43:11

and they would have like these

43:14

these marks on the hoodie strings and I

43:17

would just take it and during school I

43:19

would run it through my hair

43:22

and I would be pulling hair out and it

43:25

would hurt but I would just keep doing

43:28

it. I I loved the feeling of it,

43:33

you know, and I'm still talking to these

43:35

imaginary people and they're kind of

43:37

urging me on to keep going.

43:40

And then fifth grade, I'm in I'm in this

43:44

girl's class again, the one I hate. Um,

43:50

I'm in her class again and I see her and

43:52

I

43:53

throughout the whole year I hate her

43:54

again. You know, it doesn't stop. It

43:58

just gets worse.

44:00

Everything gets worse.

44:03

And we had moved houses at this time. We

44:06

had moved to the one I'm living in right

44:07

now. So it that was that was a good

44:11

thing that I was holding on to. I was

44:13

sharing a room with my brother again.

44:16

Love him.

44:18

Um,

44:21

and

44:23

like bec because of of how we lived, we

44:25

already got like little sleep, but now

44:28

we had we were introduced to like

44:31

technology to like tablets. So me and my

44:34

brother, we would stay up almost all

44:37

night, you know, just watching videos

44:39

together, you know, and that was that

44:41

was the only bonding I really had with

44:43

him cuz he he was he was popular. He was

44:48

almost an extra rare and he won't tell

44:50

you that but he was doing things and he

44:54

still does like after school he was

44:57

inviting he was being invited to so many

45:00

parties to so many sleepovers that I

45:02

never was because you know I never went

45:05

and I I keep saying the reason I the

45:07

reason I did all this the reason I

45:10

denied the sleepovers the reasons I

45:12

denied the parties was so that my

45:14

siblings could go because even now I

45:17

when I'm home, I I don't let them do

45:20

anything.

45:23

If my mother calls them, I I show up. I

45:27

I say that they're busy because they

45:29

shouldn't have to do that. So, I I did

45:32

all that to let them go, let them go,

45:35

let them have, [sighs]

45:37

you know, let them have their peace.

45:40

Um, but we we would stay up watching

45:43

videos together.

45:46

And

45:48

on my own, I was still I I I think this

45:52

is where the pornographic images

45:55

became pornographic videos.

45:59

So now I'm watching porn. And by this

46:02

time, the person I had met at the summer

46:04

camp had introduced me to masturbation.

46:07

So I remember waiting until my brother

46:10

went to sleep and and doing that.

46:14

And that was just like a nightly thing.

46:17

It, you know, it just I I was addicted.

46:23

And I also had this very strong urge to

46:27

drink, you know, to drink alcohol

46:30

because I I'd seen from my father. Um,

46:35

so I remember like going into the fridge

46:37

and I' I'd see these beverages

46:40

and I'd have to like physically restrain

46:42

myself, you know. I I've never I've

46:46

never drank any of them. Um,

46:51

[snorts]

46:52

I I just always there's like an always

46:55

like inner inner conscience was like,

46:57

"No, that's too far. You can do

46:59

everything else, but that's too far."

47:02

And thinking back on it, it was

47:06

it was it was almost like this wicked

47:08

game that the enemy was playing of you

47:11

can have all these desires and you can

47:14

fantasize them about them however you

47:16

want and I will place the opportunity

47:19

right in your reach but you can never

47:21

have the pleasure.

47:24

You can never have it.

47:27

Um, and he he had done this for years.

47:31

But yeah, we get into sixth grade. And

47:33

this is when I I mean, even when I was

47:36

even when I first began like

47:39

sexualizing

47:41

the girls in my class, I was still

47:43

having like crushes almost. But the I

47:46

think this is sixth grade was where it

47:48

where it hammered down. And at this

47:51

point, I had completely forgotten about

47:52

Mia. Not even a thought in my mind

47:55

anymore.

47:57

Um, but sixth grade was when COVID hit.

48:02

So now the isolation

48:06

that I've been feeling and I was just

48:09

starting to open up.

48:12

I was just starting to open up but CO

48:15

hit. So now it's completely isolated.

48:19

you know, now nothing mattered.

48:23

And my mother is still having seizures

48:27

like six times a year. So, we'd be

48:30

waking up in the middle of the night and

48:33

all that.

48:35

I think it was around this point that I

48:36

was introduced to the concept of God.

48:39

Um, because when my mother would have

48:42

these seizures, my father would need to

48:45

like, you know, drop us off someplace.

48:48

So, we'd be dropped off at a family

48:51

friend's house and they were Jewish.

48:54

So,

48:56

my favorite part going over there is

48:59

playing video games and

49:02

her her name is Shashana, but Shashana's

49:05

mother would always make cookies. So,

49:07

again, I was a big kid. Cookies, video

49:10

games, you had me. I I loved it. But

49:14

you know,

49:16

I think that's where God started being

49:18

introduced

49:20

where I knew there was a God. I didn't

49:22

think it was good because of all that

49:24

had happened already.

49:27

Um,

49:28

so CO happens.

49:31

I'm more isolated than ever. I start

49:33

talking to these people in my mind more.

49:38

And and I remember I was going on a bike

49:42

ride one day

49:44

and

49:46

I don't know what happened but I I saw

49:50

I saw Satan. I I saw him and he was

49:54

telling me so much things that I knew

49:57

that I you know I wasn't good enough and

50:00

that nothing I ever

50:03

I could do nothing

50:06

to to relieve myself of the pain of the

50:08

of the mental

50:10

torment that I was going through

50:15

and I was agreeing

50:17

and he said you know

50:20

there is one way.

50:24

And you know, I I asked how

50:28

and he began to explain that the only

50:30

way that I could get rid of all the bad

50:34

things in my life

50:36

was to kill the scapegoat,

50:39

the girl that I had placed everything

50:41

on.

50:43

That was the only way I was ever,

50:46

you know, going to be free of this.

50:50

And he he gave me, you know, he gave me

50:54

instructions cuz I wasn't only supposed

50:56

to kill her. I was supposed to kill her

50:58

in a very specific way. I was instructed

51:01

to um leave my house at midnight. It had

51:05

to be midnight. to go to where she

51:08

lived. Um to go through her window while

51:12

she was sleeping, to bring a rope,

51:16

um

51:18

to bring a rope and a knife

51:21

with the knife, stab her once through

51:24

the neck,

51:26

hopefully killing her. That that's what

51:28

he said it would do,

51:30

killing her. After that, I was supposed

51:34

to make marks on her body with the

51:38

knife. I was supposed to carve her, you

51:42

know. I was supposed to, you know, make

51:45

it look like someone who was going

51:47

through a lot of mental because this is

51:50

when people would see. This is when

51:53

people would know what I was going

51:54

through. I was supposed to, you know,

51:56

kind of carve her up,

52:00

but I was supposed to do that after she

52:01

was already dead because there there was

52:04

respect for the dead, I guess.

52:06

[laughter]

52:07

Um, and with the rope, I was supposed to

52:10

tie it um

52:14

to to something in a room and I was

52:15

supposed to hang myself.

52:18

I was not supposed to cut myself at all.

52:22

you know, I don't know why, but that's

52:25

that's what I was told. And I I couldn't

52:28

process it, you know, obviously.

52:32

It's very hard. I I couldn't process it.

52:35

And so, I'm going forward with this in

52:37

my mind. And I go home

52:40

and,

52:42

you know, I just keep reliving the

52:45

instructions that he gave me day after

52:47

day. I start fantasizing about it. I

52:49

start planning out how it's going to go.

52:51

I start I I start planning out the day.

52:54

I know the time. I know the location. I

52:56

know how to get there. I know

52:59

like

53:02

I almost knew her schedule in a way. I

53:05

knew what was happening. The night I was

53:08

about to do it.

53:10

I remember having the stuff and going to

53:14

my front door

53:16

and I reached for the front door, but I

53:18

couldn't step out.

53:20

something in me. I just couldn't do it.

53:24

And I started crying and I dropped

53:26

everything.

53:28

I locked myself

53:31

in my room

53:34

and I called I I called the police on

53:38

myself.

53:41

And

53:42

the police show up. They show up I think

53:46

an hour after I called them because they

53:49

said that they thought I was in Camden.

53:52

I don't know why,

53:54

but they showed up an hour after I

53:56

called them and they,

53:59

you know, they they gave a quick rundown

54:01

to my father

54:04

um of what was going on.

54:06

And I didn't mention this, but I had

54:08

already told the school when I had

54:10

received this instruction. I had reached

54:13

out to my teacher and I said something

54:15

like something is horribly wrong. I I

54:17

want to kill this girl.

54:20

I I want to kill her and I can see

54:22

myself doing it. And she reached out to

54:27

the um principal and the principal sent

54:30

a quick message to my mother and that

54:33

was all.

54:35

So that was the school's involvement.

54:38

I get to the hospital, the police take

54:40

me to the hospital.

54:42

Um,

54:44

and

54:46

because it's COVID, it's very

54:48

overcrowded. I'm in a hospital bed in

54:50

the hallway.

54:53

And

54:55

I remember the whole time that I was

54:57

there, I was there for about 8 hours

55:00

that

55:02

there the person in my mind who I had

55:05

seen and been talking to was standing

55:09

next to me the whole time. This one, she

55:13

was almost like the girl from the ring.

55:16

Um, but taller. She she was taller. Um,

55:19

taller than me actually. She was tall.

55:22

She was pale skin, completely white

55:24

dress, black hair over her face. As I

55:27

said, the girl from the ring.

55:30

And I remember that

55:34

I would almost have

55:36

like a relationship with her.

55:39

Um,

55:42

she became

55:44

sort of like a girlfriend in a sense.

55:47

And this was before I had received the

55:49

instruction

55:52

um to kill that one girl.

55:55

I I had this relationship with this

55:57

person that I I was seeing wasn't really

56:01

there, you know, [snorts] in my mind.

56:04

This this demonic thing

56:07

where I I still remember nights I I was

56:12

in bed and I could feel something next

56:15

to me. I could feel something

56:18

something's arms wrap around me

56:22

and and that was the only physical like

56:26

contact I had. So I

56:29

I I I wanted it. I desired it. I let it

56:32

in. She was who I would tell everything

56:34

to. But then when I was in the hospital

56:37

and she was standing over me and she had

56:40

the bow and arrow, something changed.

56:43

It It was no longer the person that I

56:45

knew. It was no longer the the friendly

56:47

thing.

56:50

It I remember it had a bow and it had an

56:53

arrow and it was aiming it at me

56:56

the whole time and it just it just

56:58

wouldn't let me go.

57:01

And I told that I told that to the

57:03

doctor and the doctor didn't do

57:06

anything. And she starts asking me

57:07

questions of okay, what do I see? What

57:09

do I feel?

57:11

all this and she eventually asks my

57:14

father, okay,

57:16

she asks my father if there's any like

57:18

schizophrenia in my family. And he said

57:22

that we really didn't know because my

57:23

mother was

57:27

she she didn't have any contact with her

57:29

family. She didn't know a lot about

57:30

them. She didn't have any contact. So,

57:32

we really had no clue what mental things

57:36

were going on. Um,

57:39

she told me that we were going to go to

57:41

another place later. She was going to

57:43

schedule an appointment and I would be

57:46

tested for schizophrenia.

57:48

But her conclusion

57:50

at that moment based on what I had told

57:52

her was I had a crush on this girl and

57:56

it was no more than that. So after 8

57:58

hours of being held in the hospital, she

58:01

had let me go. Before

58:04

I would have all these violent thoughts,

58:06

but they would never be against me. It

58:08

would always be against another person.

58:11

But when I got released from the

58:13

hospital,

58:15

it was no,

58:18

no longer can killing another person

58:20

free you from this. It is only yourself.

58:25

The

58:26

you know these things that I was talking

58:28

to and there's another one too. There

58:30

are two. There are always two

58:34

and and unless it was,

58:38

you know, unless it was just me and her,

58:44

you know, the the girl I had described,

58:47

it was always two. Unless we were having

58:49

a moment, it was always two. I never saw

58:52

the other one alone. And I can't really

58:54

remember what he looked like, but I just

58:57

know he was there.

59:00

Um,

59:02

and it started to become more violent

59:05

towards me where,

59:08

you know, I remember I would I would

59:11

take um a pair of scissors

59:15

and

59:17

I would go to the bathroom in tears

59:21

and at the bottom of my foot, cuz my

59:25

thinking is no one's going to see it, I

59:26

would start to engrave things

59:29

on the bottom of my foot with the

59:31

scissors.

59:33

Um

59:34

because

59:36

I I felt it was the only way to be free

59:39

from any of this. And around this time,

59:43

I would

59:45

whenever I had free time or even when I

59:48

was like doing stuff, I would always I

59:50

could never focus on one thing

59:53

because that's how bad it was getting.

59:56

They were getting so violent. they were

59:58

getting so overpowering where I was

60:01

living in my mind but my mind wasn't

60:03

mine.

60:05

[sighs]

60:07

So whenever I was like playing a game

60:09

with my brother, I remember I'm playing

60:11

the game, I'm I have a video going, I'm

60:14

listening to music, I'm talking, and I'm

60:17

thinking about something. I have five

60:19

things at once just just to stop any of

60:23

those thoughts

60:25

to overload myself so much that that

60:30

nothing has a chance, nothing has space,

60:33

but I would still see things. I would

60:36

still hear things and I would hear

60:38

audible voices

60:40

telling me to do things. So, it's not

60:42

like I'm talking to these people in my

60:44

mind. No, I I'm talking to them and I'm

60:46

seeing them move and things are

60:49

happening cuz I feel them. I physically

60:52

feel them and I audibly hear their

60:55

voice. And this was my life.

60:59

This was what I did. I didn't have

61:00

friends. I didn't have anyone to talk

61:02

to. This was my life.

61:06

Um,

61:07

I remember,

61:11

you know, I remember

61:14

downloading this one app. It's called

61:17

like Anime Maker or something, but it

61:20

was

61:22

it was just this app where,

61:25

you know, you make animations and then

61:27

you can post the animations and other

61:29

people can comment. It it was like a

61:31

community

61:33

and I had never had that. So, I just

61:36

downloaded one day and we're still like

61:38

during lockdown.

61:40

So, I'm doing nothing else, you know,

61:43

again, I have the video, I'm making the

61:45

animation, I'm doing all that. And I

61:47

begin to talk to like talk to people on

61:50

the app to interact with them.

61:53

And,

61:55

you know,

61:57

we eventually moved the conversations

61:59

off the app. I was convinced to download

62:01

another app called Discord

62:04

where

62:06

you know it was better suited for

62:08

talking because with the other app you

62:09

had to like reload it every single time

62:12

to see if they you know left a comment

62:15

or responded.

62:17

So, I downloaded this app called Discord

62:20

and I would talk to people through there

62:23

and I became enwrapped with a lot of

62:26

different um like psychological help

62:31

groups

62:33

and

62:35

not even for help myself,

62:38

but I remember

62:40

like I would do that to help other

62:42

people. Like I remember talking to other

62:45

people online

62:48

who were going through some of the same

62:51

stuff I was going through and it kind of

62:54

eased my mind in a way.

62:56

Um

62:58

and again I'm this is around like sixth

63:02

7th or eighth grade

63:05

um where this carries out. So, I'm still

63:08

very young and I have these like

63:12

like old older older kids, older teens,

63:17

young adults, like all of this

63:20

and I'm talking to all of them through

63:22

this group

63:25

and I I feel like I'm helping people,

63:29

but then there are those moments where

63:32

like,

63:34

you know,

63:38

I I remember it happened with two people

63:41

who I know for sure um took took their

63:45

life while I was talking to them. Um I I

63:49

remember seeing the images of

63:52

like what what they were about to do.

63:54

And I remember I had gotten a message

63:56

from the one girl's friend telling me

63:59

that she she wasn't alive anymore, that

64:02

she had taken her own life

64:05

um while talking to me.

64:10

And I remember crying,

64:14

but at the same time there was

64:17

there was a sense of accomplishment

64:22

like there there's a sense of wicked joy

64:26

of knowing that I had caused that.

64:30

And now

64:32

I would start talking to people online

64:34

and I would I would try to get them to

64:36

freak out. I would try to get them to

64:37

panic.

64:39

I I would be saying all these different

64:41

things just so that they would worry,

64:44

just so that they would fear because I

64:46

liked the I liked the thought that

64:48

someone cared. I liked the thought that

64:50

someone was worried.

64:54

So night after night, I was staying up

64:56

and I was talking to different people

64:59

and I would never talk to them for more

65:01

than one day because after that I'm

65:03

supposed to be dead.

65:07

So, I don't know how many people I did

65:09

that to. And there was only one who

65:11

actually managed to call the police and

65:15

they found out where I lived and it it

65:18

was a whole thing. But that that was my

65:20

day. That was what I would do. And there

65:23

was this just joy. And

65:26

around this time like also

65:30

I'm dabbling in like

65:33

um

65:35

you know

65:37

>> [sighs]

65:38

>> It's better online because it's not like

65:40

real. Like the conversations you're

65:42

having are not real because I would

65:44

still like have convictions of, hey, no,

65:46

this isn't right.

65:48

But then there was also this like wicked

65:50

joy in doing that.

65:52

So I remember

65:56

like there were times where I would I

65:59

would start talking to people who were

66:01

older than me who were men

66:06

and I would start, you know, talking to

66:09

them

66:12

and they had even convinced me to send

66:16

like a few pictures of myself. But that

66:19

was my night

66:21

almost every night. And then the sexual

66:24

perversion didn't stop

66:26

because I I would also talk to women who

66:28

were again older than me.

66:31

And I I guess it's always been a thing

66:33

that the way I talk, the way I present

66:36

present myself. I seem a lot older than

66:38

I am.

66:41

So I was able to get these women who

66:43

were older than me, much older than me,

66:46

to send pictures of themselves

66:49

to talk in such a ways to like was like

66:52

act it out through the text.

66:55

Um

66:58

yeah,

67:01

and then

67:03

I remembered Mia.

67:07

I I remembered her vividly

67:10

and and these these things that I was

67:12

talking to, these things that I was

67:15

seeing, they were reminding me of of

67:17

what I had seen of of death. And I knew

67:20

she died

67:22

and they were telling me that I killed

67:24

her. And

67:27

I have never been able to sleep

67:31

well. But this this was something else

67:35

because I I'd go to bed every night and

67:37

I' I'd feel this thing crawl up next to

67:41

me and

67:43

I I I could hear the breathing in my ear

67:47

and I would feel things crawling up me

67:50

like like bugs. But there were no bugs.

67:54

Even though we still lived in a in like

67:56

a dirty house, there was nothing there,

67:59

but I'd still feel it. And I'd still see

68:02

things. I'd see shadows in the dark. I'd

68:04

see things move every single night. And

68:07

then when I would wake up in the

68:09

morning,

68:11

you know, I'd have all these horrific

68:12

nightmares at at night, but I'd wake up

68:15

in the morning and I'd be paralyzed with

68:16

fear because as soon as I get up, like I

68:19

sit up from my bed, I see

68:22

I I I see Mia.

68:27

I see her.

68:31

And she's up against my wall

68:34

and she doesn't have ice. and

68:40

and and she's carved in the same way

68:42

that I was supposed to carve the other

68:44

girl.

68:48

And and there's there's so much blood

68:55

and I I still remember her

68:59

from kindergarten.

69:03

So, I'd wake up every single day and I'd

69:06

see the blood and I' I'd read there were

69:08

bold letters behind her blaming me for

69:12

blaming me for that, saying that I had

69:14

did that in the middle of the night,

69:16

that I don't remember it, that I wasn't

69:18

safe to be around anyone. I I would also

69:21

have these very violent outbursts

69:24

where I would just get I I would lash

69:28

out on my brother and my sister.

69:31

And you know, we've never had a close

69:33

relationship either, just because of how

69:36

everything went. I would never see them

69:38

a lot because they were elsewhere.

69:42

Um, which was very good for them, but I

69:44

would never see them a lot. So,

69:48

you know, there would there were these

69:50

we don't we don't feel like family. We

69:52

don't feel like family.

69:54

And there were these moments

69:57

where it happened twice. My sister

70:00

pulled a knife on me

70:02

and

70:04

she she was going to hurt me.

70:08

Um, and I I just ran,

70:13

but I would be so violent towards her. I

70:16

remember I think I

70:19

I I remember I hit her head hard on on a

70:22

piece of wood one day and I think I

70:25

think I tore something in her elbow.

70:28

I I was very violent, but it was always

70:31

a weird relationship with my sister. She

70:33

was she's four years younger than me.

70:36

Um, and a lot of this she doesn't even

70:38

remember. But I remember

70:41

because,

70:42

you know, because of how dirty the house

70:44

was, there were nights where she

70:46

couldn't sleep in her room, so she slept

70:48

in mine [snorts] and my brother's. And

70:50

it it

70:53

it's not right.

70:56

But she would sleep in my bed and there

70:58

were nights where I woke up

71:03

and

71:06

she was touching me

71:11

and that

71:14

that perverted my mind so much because

71:17

it it was a night after night thing and

71:20

I was still seeing all this and I was

71:22

still I could still feel the thing next

71:25

to me and the things crawling,

71:28

you know, crawling on me. And I I didn't

71:32

see it as wrong and I I wanted more. But

71:37

yeah, I remember waking up every day

71:39

this intense fear of I I saw I saw Mia

71:43

and I knew I killed her and I knew she

71:44

was dead.

71:47

It was a guilt and I would just sit

71:49

there for hours crying before I even

71:52

left bed and it would never go away.

71:57

The only time it would go away was at

71:59

night

72:01

so I wouldn't look at it anymore. So I

72:04

would lay down and that thing could

72:07

crawl next to me. And this lasted for 3

72:10

years from sixth grade to 8th. And then

72:15

in the middle of all of it, in the

72:18

middle of this torment after after 8th

72:22

grade had ended. And I remember seventh

72:24

and eighth grade, I went to the school

72:26

like right next to my house. I would get

72:28

home before everyone. I would when I got

72:31

home, I would immediately start I'd

72:33

immediately go to porn. I would

72:36

immediately go

72:38

and then I'd immediately go to the food

72:40

and the video games.

72:44

Just anything

72:46

to keep my mind off of it.

72:50

But I would also go on these very long

72:52

walks. I'd walk around the whole town

72:54

and the town next to me and no one would

72:56

have ever known where I was because I

72:58

didn't have a phone. I didn't have

72:59

technology.

73:01

I would just walk for hours not knowing

73:03

where I was. No one cared. No one cared.

73:12

Um there there was a day where I took my

73:16

bike and I biked out 30 miles.

73:19

and I had a phone, but the phone was

73:21

almost dead.

73:23

So, I biked out 30 miles in the morning

73:25

and

73:27

I got to this park and I spent all day

73:29

there

73:32

and I just had a thought of maybe I

73:35

don't go home because beyond this park

73:37

was a wheat field and it was open road

73:42

and I just thought I could just keep

73:44

going and no one would look and no one

73:46

would care. And I'm biking home at night

73:48

again, 30 miles.

73:50

And when I get home, no one asks where I

73:52

was. And

73:55

around this time, I also made a friend.

73:59

And she had

74:02

she had claimed to be Christian. You

74:05

know, her her uncle pastors a church.

74:10

No.

74:12

No. We we would not.

74:14

Nothing we talked about was Christian.

74:18

But at the end of 8th grade,

74:23

August 17th,

74:25

I went to Shashana's Bitzvah. You know,

74:28

Bameitzvah, it was a 4hour

74:32

it was a 4-hour service all in Hebrew.

74:36

You know, they they had like a Torah

74:39

reading. Shashana read from the Torah.

74:41

It was it was on cities of refuge

74:45

and she was talking about how um you

74:49

know Jewish culture is different now

74:51

than it was then. She was talking about

74:53

like grace and mercy and how everyone

74:55

deserves a second chance, which isn't

74:59

exactly what it says,

75:02

but that's what she was talking about.

75:05

But the everything else was Hebrew.

75:08

And I remember we were, you know, I had

75:11

a I had a pink yarmaka on

75:15

and we were singing Shabbat Shalom.

75:19

You know, it's a very simple song. it.

75:22

It's quite literally just Shabbat shalom

75:24

over and over again.

75:27

Um,

75:30

and I remember looking around

75:34

and I remember while singing

75:37

something something just hit

75:41

it. It was like everything that I had

75:43

ever done,

75:46

everything that I had ever done

75:49

had come back on me in that moment.

75:54

I knew right then

75:57

that I was not right with God.

76:02

And and previously

76:04

I had also I was dabbling in um Satanism

76:08

and satanic worship. But in this moment,

76:11

I knew I was not right with God.

76:14

I knew he was there. I could feel his

76:17

presence. I could feel him pressing down

76:20

on me. But I don't think anyone else

76:22

felt it. It wasn't a whole room thing.

76:24

It was It was me. It was specifically me

76:28

that he was pressing down on. It was

76:30

specifically me that he was convicting.

76:32

It was specifically me that he called

76:34

out to. And I didn't I didn't hear this

76:37

during the English portion. I didn't

76:38

feel this during the English portion. No

76:40

one preached to me. This this didn't

76:42

happen because of preaching. But God

76:45

showed up. And after that, I had this

76:48

intense urge to go to confession. Again,

76:50

I was baptized Catholic.

76:53

To go to confession. I didn't even know

76:55

what confession was,

76:58

but I knew I needed to confess to

77:00

someone. I just never knew who.

77:03

Um, and my my godparents,

77:07

my godfather had passed away uh by this

77:10

time, but I knew my godmother was crazy

77:13

religious white woman.

77:16

Um, and not even religious in a good

77:18

way. Religious as in like Catholic.

77:22

Um, you know, you have to do this, this,

77:24

this, and this. Even then, you know, God

77:29

can't really speak to you. God, it's

77:30

like very distant.

77:32

So, religion for sake of religion, not

77:34

religion for sake of God.

77:37

Um, but I kept feeling like I need to

77:40

talk to her. I need to go to church with

77:41

her. I need to do this. It never ends up

77:44

happening,

77:46

but

77:48

the church I go to now, Miss Day, they

77:53

do like a movie night every fourth

77:54

Friday in the summer. So, I go to one of

77:56

their movie nights. It was the same

77:58

place where I had cut open my leg all

78:00

those years before.

78:02

Um, and I go to their movie night. I go

78:05

up to the head pastor and I ask, "Where

78:08

does your church meet? When does it

78:09

meet? Cuz I want to go there." And we

78:12

had already known each other from when

78:14

we when I went to church

78:17

um before my mother was injured. We went

78:19

to the same church. So, we already knew

78:22

each other. And he gave me all the

78:24

information. And I start going. And when

78:27

I start going, the I still have that

78:29

intense fear, the anxiety,

78:33

like I'm constantly being watched. And I

78:36

I keep going and everything just gets

78:39

more normal. Now it's just normal to be

78:42

there. Now I want to read my Bible. And

78:44

I pick it up and it took it took me

78:45

three years to read the whole thing.

78:50

But when I did it, I felt so much

78:52

better.

78:54

um and going to church, having a

78:56

community,

78:58

it it relieved me of a lot, but there

79:00

was there was still a barrier.

79:03

There was still something missing. And I

79:05

had become almost zealous in a way for

79:10

God because I had met him.

79:13

And it was something that, you know, my

79:16

church wasn't

79:18

wasn't there for. Um, I I remember going

79:22

to high school and I would I'm openly

79:24

carrying a Bible in a public high

79:26

school, so it's already not looking good

79:28

for me. But I begin like preaching in a

79:32

sense

79:34

like giving these convicting things like

79:37

actually like actually saying something.

79:42

[sighs]

79:43

And I remember I was assaulted. I was

79:49

I was assaulted. I was blackmailed. I

79:52

was

79:54

um [clears throat]

79:55

you know had weapons flashed on me. Had

79:59

all these different crazy things. The

80:01

black the the blackmail was interesting.

80:05

So when I was in 8th grade, I had this

80:09

group chat with, you know, not not

80:10

really friends but um just people I

80:13

would talk to. And I had again I was the

80:18

Lord hadn't encountered me yet. Um and

80:21

even after he did I was still fleshly

80:25

but I had made a comment

80:27

um to a girl about another girl

80:31

about something I wanted to do to her.

80:34

Um, so when [clears throat] I start

80:36

preaching

80:38

a couple months later,

80:41

the girl I had said that to comes back

80:44

and she's pretty much like, "If you do

80:46

not stop, I'm going to tell this girl's

80:49

father who worked in that school."

80:53

I was in his class, so I'd be seeing him

80:55

every day.

80:58

She's like, "I'm going to tell this

81:00

girl's father what you said." And again,

81:02

that fear came back.

81:04

But even though I had that fear, I

81:06

didn't stop. I just kept going. And she

81:10

never does it. But you know, people

81:13

start talking about me. I also enter

81:17

my my I enter my two relationships.

81:21

9th grade, year two. My first one was

81:25

like laughable.

81:27

We had we had started in like the

81:31

beginning of November.

81:34

And we have we had ended before

81:35

Thanksgiving.

81:38

We we had gone into the relationship

81:40

from day one. It was just a fight.

81:43

It was just a fight about every little

81:45

thing.

81:47

And

81:50

um but you know, I I was craving that,

81:56

you know, [clears throat] I I was

81:57

craving being wanted. I was craving it.

82:00

So I kept going.

82:03

And then after 3 weeks of fighting, I'm

82:05

like, "This isn't worth it." [laughter]

82:07

So, we we we both break up with each

82:10

other and she says that the only reason

82:12

that she agreed to date me in the first

82:14

place was because she felt bad for me,

82:16

which felt amazing to hear that. Um,

82:21

that felt amazing.

82:24

But a week later, I get into this I get

82:27

into my next relationship.

82:30

And that one lasts for over 2 years.

82:35

So,

82:38

you know, that that's another thing that

82:40

I'm fearing. I'm fearing that

82:43

my girlfriend is going to hear what I'd

82:45

said about this other girl

82:48

and she's going to find out and I'm

82:49

going to lose her and I'm going to lose

82:51

the only person who's ever cared about

82:52

me.

82:54

And you know, it was a big fear.

82:58

But yeah, I was assaulted. I was

83:01

blackmailed. I was, you know, this one

83:04

girl flashed a taser on on me. I was

83:07

assaulted on camera.

83:10

Um, it's actually interesting. I sent

83:13

I'd sent an email to my girlfriend at

83:16

the time and the school kind of it was

83:19

school email so they got it. It was

83:22

questionable things. So they pulled me

83:24

into the office and I started talking

83:26

about, you know, why I had mentioned

83:28

about the black man about the assault

83:29

and they're like, you know, you can like

83:31

write that on a file and we can do

83:33

something about it. So I'm like, okay,

83:36

I'll I'll write it all down. So I write

83:38

it all down. I give it to them. Keep in

83:41

mind this is like five pages long, front

83:43

and back.

83:45

I check up in a week and they say,

83:47

"Well, we can't [music] really do

83:49

anything because we just can't really do

83:52

anything. We we pulled the camera. We

83:54

saw we saw the whole incident of the

83:56

assault. It didn't look like he was

83:59

throwing the object at you on purpose.

84:03

You just happened to be standing there.

84:05

So I said, "Yeah, we can't do anything."

84:07

So that's the first time I file. The

84:10

second time I file is about the

84:13

blackmail stuff.

84:15

Okay. I give it to them. I give them

84:18

like screenshots. I I go deep.

84:23

They can't do anything again. The third

84:26

time I file,

84:28

um, not only do I give screenshots, I

84:31

give witnesses, they can't do anything.

84:33

So, I'm like, "Okay, this has been fun.

84:36

I'm not filing anymore." And I remember

84:39

like every time I would walk into the

84:41

room and say something, cuz I could just

84:43

be in a room, but if I said something,

84:45

people like, "That was going too far." I

84:49

remember we were reading this one book

84:50

called Feed about like humans having

84:56

computer chips in their brain and just

84:57

their whole life being on a computer

85:00

essentially. And the teacher had asked

85:02

me to give my thoughts

85:06

and I I guess it was some of my fault

85:09

because I start talking and I I get to

85:13

this climax of okay, I know what I'm

85:16

about to say is really important. I need

85:18

a way of catching everyone's intention.

85:21

So, I picked two people in the

85:24

classroom.

85:25

Keep in mind, one of them's behind me. I

85:27

don't even know what she's doing.

85:29

I just guessed, but one of them is in

85:32

front of me. And I say, "Yeah." And this

85:35

really this really shows how like how

85:38

dependent we have become on our phones

85:41

because right now Heaven and Mary Jane

85:43

are on their phones while I'm talking

85:45

about this. The whole room erupts

85:48

and

85:51

the whole room erupts. You know, people

85:53

are cursing me out. You know, people who

85:55

I didn't even call out. The two people I

85:57

had called out were completely fine

86:02

but they start you know cursing me out.

86:05

There was a even a death threat thrown

86:08

in there too which the teacher heard and

86:11

the teacher had filed that with the

86:13

school and the school did nothing.

86:17

So like every time I would say something

86:21

it it was just always too much

86:22

apparently. I remember

86:25

my church was talking about tableabling

86:27

at

86:29

a Pride event

86:31

and we were kind of split on if we

86:34

should or if we shouldn't and I wrote

86:35

this letter that saying that we should

86:39

that we should table um spread the love

86:41

of Christ there

86:44

and I wrote the letter I gave it to my

86:47

pastor. I gave it to the one friend I I

86:51

had made whose uncle pastored a church.

86:55

She ends up turning that letter in to

86:56

the vice principal. The vice principal

86:59

ends up reading it. And around the same

87:02

time, this was like 3 weeks removed from

87:04

the Covenant school shooting.

87:07

And since God had encountered me that

87:10

one time, I had known that

87:15

when you step into Christ, you are

87:17

brothers and sisters and that means

87:19

something. So the Covenant school

87:21

shooting happened and it was a

87:24

it was a Christian school. So I saw the

87:27

six people who died as my brothers and

87:29

sisters. So I mentioned it in the

87:31

letter. I mentioned how much I grieved

87:34

them

87:36

and

87:38

the vice principal reads it and she's

87:40

like, "So, you're planning on shooting

87:43

up Glass Sparrow?"

87:47

Keep in mind that's completely not what

87:48

I said.

87:50

And there it was me, it was her, and it

87:53

was two other admin in that room. One of

87:56

the admin was backing [clears throat] me

87:58

up. The other one wasn't saying

88:00

anything. and the vice principal was

88:02

accusing me.

88:04

So, she held me there for 3 hours

88:06

interrogating me, but she never actually

88:08

believed that I was going to shoot up

88:10

the school because she didn't get any

88:13

authorities involved. But then that

88:15

meeting leaks and teachers are talking

88:17

about it and students are talking about

88:19

it and I know I didn't say anything. So,

88:22

one of them leaked it.

88:25

and a private meeting like that, you

88:27

actually

88:28

you're not legally allowed to leak it.

88:31

Whenever you're talking about personal

88:33

information, you're not allowed.

88:35

So, the school had actually violated

88:38

a law on top of all the laws that they

88:40

had already violated. It was another

88:43

one. Then, going forward, it it's the

88:46

last day of school. And I'd already been

88:48

told multiple times, don't preach, don't

88:50

preach.

88:52

So, it's it's the last day of school.

88:55

And this person I know,

88:58

he he has a shirt that says God's

89:02

promise

89:05

with a rainbow. And I ask if I can

89:07

borrow it for the last day of school.

89:08

And he says yes. And he gives me the

89:10

shirt and I wear it. And I go in to

89:14

school that day wearing that shirt. And

89:17

immediately I started I started getting

89:19

texts from just about everybody telling

89:22

me, "Take off the shirt. take off the

89:24

shirt, but I don't, you know, it it's

89:28

not I'm not breaking any code.

89:31

So, I go in for my gym class and it was

89:34

interesting. I was standing on this side

89:36

of the gym. There was a teacher who was

89:39

not even supposed to be in the room at

89:40

that time who was standing on the

89:42

opposite side of the gym and she

89:44

happened to be gay.

89:46

So, I'm standing on this side, she's

89:48

standing on the opposite side. So, we

89:50

have a basketball court in between us.

89:53

My back is facing her

89:56

and somehow she sees with her X-ray

89:58

vision

90:00

through me, reads the shirt, sees the

90:03

rainbow, gets offended by it, decides to

90:06

file

90:08

with the school, which she can't do

90:10

because she's a teacher, she files with

90:12

the school against a student.

90:16

And unlike where mine took months to

90:20

resolve and still didn't get anywhere,

90:22

hers took about 20 minutes

90:25

because it was the last day of school.

90:27

Both the principal and vice principal

90:29

were at Ron University

90:32

preparing for graduation ceremony.

90:35

So, the athletic director, who was the

90:38

acting principal, only administrator on

90:41

the campus at that time, pulls me into

90:44

the office and he sees the shirt and he

90:46

says, "That's funny. It's not breaking

90:49

any law or any code. You can go."

90:53

So, he enjoyed it.

90:56

Um, but while I'm walking out of the

90:57

room, he gets an email from both the

90:59

principal and vice principal who never

91:01

even saw the shirt who said, "Yeah, you

91:04

have to you have to suspend him for a

91:06

week." I had an hour left in the school

91:10

day.

91:12

They weren't there. Didn't see the

91:14

shirt. I had an hour left. He He had me

91:16

walk home.

91:18

And I told him that day, I'm not going

91:20

back.

91:21

I'm I'm not coming back to this school

91:23

next year because it's it was a six

91:26

months six months of

91:30

just just

91:32

[sighs]

91:34

6 months

91:36

of dealing with all that they were

91:38

trying to pull. And I told him, I'm not

91:41

I'm not doing it anymore. And he

91:42

understood.

91:44

So he let me go. So I leave school. My

91:46

my girlfriend has questions about it.

91:49

Her parents

91:51

never liked me. They They had actually

91:53

accused me her mother had accused me of

91:58

taking her out of her friend's house

92:00

while they were having a sleepover to a

92:02

local park and and raping her.

92:07

Don't know where she got that from, but

92:11

her parents didn't like me

92:14

and we we could never see each other.

92:16

So, it was pretty much just a texting

92:18

thing even though we lived like a few

92:21

streets over.

92:24

It was just

92:26

we couldn't do it. Um

92:31

but even then

92:33

though I though I had found I like I had

92:36

found Christ I I put my full faith in

92:39

him. I was still going through the

92:41

process of being like getting the

92:44

convictions and acting on them. And he

92:45

had to do a lot. He had to convict me of

92:48

a lot

92:51

um

92:53

during this relationship of two years.

92:58

I

93:01

I was talking to other people.

93:04

Um,

93:06

you know, I was talking to other people.

93:08

I was still addicted. I was still

93:12

all of this.

93:14

And I had told her, like, I had told

93:18

her, "Hey, I'm addicted to pornography,

93:21

but I want to stop. I need help. I need

93:24

help. I need someone to help." And you

93:27

know, she broke down crying,

93:31

but she wouldn't help. No. And in fact,

93:34

anytime I did see her,

93:37

we would get into like

93:41

any anytime I did see her, the

93:43

interaction would very quickly become

93:45

sexualized.

93:48

Um,

93:50

it never went that far.

93:53

It was just a lot of touching, but still

93:56

it was stuff I was actively trying to

93:58

break out of and she knew that.

94:02

Um, she just didn't have that same

94:05

conviction.

94:09

And I remember,

94:12

you know, I remember telling her over

94:14

and over again like, I want to devote my

94:16

life to God.

94:19

and she kept telling me she did, but

94:22

every time we saw each other, it just

94:25

fell. Just felt like that. [snorts] So,

94:30

and then we got to this point in the

94:32

relationship where it was just a fight.

94:34

It was just a struggle. And it felt like

94:37

for 2 years I'd been putting more effort

94:40

into it than she had.

94:44

And I had never actually seen fruit. I I

94:47

I'd seen nothing. She knew that I had I

94:51

was mentally tormented

94:55

and I would still sometimes go through

94:56

these episodes, these these episodes of

95:00

depression, these like thoughts where

95:02

like I want to die. Like I don't want to

95:05

be here anymore. But I I could never

95:08

tell her that

95:11

because she just couldn't handle it,

95:14

you know? I I I was carrying all of her

95:17

stuff as well as my whole family as well

95:21

as [snorts]

95:22

everything else.

95:24

So

95:26

like it I guess it never really felt

95:29

like we were in a relationship

95:33

even though by title we were.

95:37

And

95:40

I I'd also started going to community

95:42

college at this time. So I I dropped out

95:45

freshman year, started going to

95:47

community college

95:49

and I started meeting people there. The

95:51

the first year of community college, I

95:53

actually get a chance to go with my

95:56

church back then and work in Georgia. We

95:59

worked a conference called G3.

96:02

And I actually got the chance to meet

96:05

Vodie Bakam before he passed away.

96:09

He he was right next to us and like

96:12

during the whole conference too whenever

96:14

he wasn't preaching he was right there.

96:18

So I got a chance to meet him get a

96:20

chance to talk to him you know I saw

96:23

other preachers Paul Washer James Coats

96:26

a few more guys from Canada so that was

96:29

really cool. I remember it was

96:31

interesting. There was a bomb threat at

96:34

the conference

96:36

like maybe the second day in.

96:40

So that was definitely an experience.

96:43

But

96:46

I got back from that and it was like the

96:50

fire

96:52

that was in me a year ago.

96:56

It was just it kept burning. It kept

96:59

burning. I got back from that. I started

97:01

looking for a Christian community on the

97:04

community college campus. I did find one

97:08

called Innerarsity.

97:10

I didn't choose to I didn't choose to

97:12

join in the first year. I don't know why

97:15

at that moment, but I didn't choose to.

97:18

I chose to push into another ministry

97:20

called Young Life.

97:22

Um I I would come out there. road, spend

97:25

time with those kids and the the type of

97:30

fire they have for Jesus

97:33

is something else.

97:35

But,

97:37

you know, I continue to grow in the

97:39

word. I continue to do that. And

97:42

everything else is still happening. My,

97:44

you know, my mother is still

97:46

progressively getting worse. You know,

97:49

my father's getting a little bit better,

97:50

but I'm still not as present. And I'm

97:54

still trying to take care of my siblings

97:57

cuz what did they just watch? They just

97:58

watched their older brother drop out of

98:01

high school. High school dropout. Didn't

98:03

even complete the first grade or not

98:05

first grade, ninth grade. Didn't even

98:08

complete the ninth grade.

98:12

And now they're going into that

98:13

environment where everyone knew me.

98:16

No one really liked me.

98:20

They're going into that. I also,

98:25

you know, I had many friends

98:28

leave me during that time, ones who

98:30

claimed they were Christian. I I

98:32

remember I had one that she comes up to

98:35

me, she's like, "You did wrong by the

98:37

scripture." And I say, "Okay, tell me

98:40

what scripture." And then she says,

98:43

"See, why do you bring scripture into

98:46

everything?" I'm like, "What are we what

98:49

are we talking about? Like, what are we

98:51

even doing here?"

98:55

There was just a fake level of

98:57

Christianity

99:00

that I I was in

99:04

where it's like, I know what I saw in

99:07

that synagogue, but no one else knows.

99:09

No one else has had that experience.

99:14

And and I would go, as I mentioned, to

99:16

Young Life and they do have a desire for

99:18

the word. They do have an desire for

99:20

that experience, but it's not there for

99:23

most of them. Most of them don't have

99:25

it.

99:28

But the next year,

99:31

um, just walking around

99:34

the community college, it's my second

99:35

year here, and

99:39

I see a table offering free coffee.

99:42

And ever since I worked in Georgia,

99:45

because when when I worked in Georgia, I

99:47

got like 2 hours of sleep at night. I

99:49

lived on coffee. So, I'm like, "Okay,

99:51

I'm going to it's free. I'm going to

99:53

take free." And it actually happened to

99:56

be the inner varsity club that I didn't

99:59

join.

100:01

And I just stood with them the whole

100:03

time just talking. And it it was like

100:07

that we,

100:09

you know, we instantly became friends.

100:11

And I met this one girl, Bella.

100:15

And

100:16

you know, we exchanged numbers. I start

100:18

coming out to the club meetings. I start

100:21

to meet up all the different people in

100:24

the clubs.

100:26

And

100:28

by that next semester, by that spring

100:30

semester,

100:32

it felt like I was

100:35

finally finding some people, finally

100:38

at home.

100:42

And I couldn't come out to everything

100:45

because I was still working.

100:47

[clears throat] I was working as a girl

100:48

cook at this time. And I was doing like

100:51

every single shift I could pick up,

100:54

you know, they weren't

100:59

they weren't abiding by the law to even

101:01

hire me. So they didn't care how much I

101:04

worked, which I enjoyed cuz, you know, I

101:08

needed the money. They offered it.

101:12

But eventually I get,

101:15

you know, I get so involved with this

101:17

group that Bella invites me to another

101:21

group. It's on Ran University campus

101:23

called Jesus Club.

101:26

And I remember that I had off work that

101:31

one day. That was one the one day a week

101:34

that I had off work. So I decided, you

101:37

know what? I'm going to go. if I'm not

101:40

scheduled, I'm gonna go.

101:42

And I end up not being scheduled. And I

101:45

go.

101:47

[snorts] And I remember that first

101:48

night, the the holiness [sighs]

101:52

that was in that place. It wasn't like

101:55

my church. It wasn't like

101:58

Young Life. It

102:00

I knew I was in the presence of people

102:02

who had that same experience of people

102:05

who encountered

102:07

the Christ.

102:11

And

102:13

I don't know why I kept coming back, but

102:15

I did.

102:18

And I was exposed to a new fire, a new

102:20

flame of Christianity

102:23

that again didn't it didn't happen in my

102:26

church.

102:29

You know, we prayed,

102:32

we worshiped, and things happened.

102:36

there was actual fruit.

102:42

And I remember being

102:45

exposed to that,

102:48

people being healed.

102:52

And

102:54

I just held to that

102:56

because I I had never seen

103:00

a miraculous healing that the church I

103:03

come from, they didn't really think it

103:06

could happen or if they thought it could

103:08

happen, they surely never talked about

103:09

it.

103:11

Um, so I had never been exposed to that.

103:17

when it happened, I clung to it and I

103:20

would start bringing it up in my church.

103:22

I'd start saying, you know, I I've seen

103:26

the blind healed. I've seen the lame

103:29

walk and I've seen the dead raised to

103:31

life.

103:33

So, what are we doing?

103:37

[snorts] And I I get a lot of questions

103:41

because they still never had that

103:43

experience

103:44

that encounter.

103:48

And I remember

103:50

fast forward one more year,

103:53

Bella is no longer leading in her

103:55

varsity. Now it's me and another guy,

103:57

Matthew.

104:01

And I just remember going into this that

104:03

year.

104:05

I remember going into that year just

104:07

thinking

104:09

it's only us two.

104:12

Like the club has never been big, but

104:15

it's only me and Matthew.

104:18

And I was reading my the word

104:21

on campus that day. I was going to do a

104:23

7-day, not seven day, I was going to do

104:27

a seven lap walk around the whole campus

104:30

and pray.

104:33

And I remember getting ready for it. I

104:35

was in my word and I look up and I see I

104:38

see a lot of birds

104:41

and they're they're all following this

104:45

one bird, this one perfectly white bird.

104:50

and all of the other ones, you know,

104:53

they there's they have spots, they have,

104:56

you know, they are unclean,

105:00

but they're all following this one bird.

105:03

And I'm like, "Oh, okay." And I started

105:05

the walk, and it was like lap three or

105:08

four where God's like, "You remember

105:11

those birds? There were 20 of them.

105:14

That's how many people they're going to

105:15

be at the end of this semester. 20

105:19

people all for a heart for Jesus. And

105:22

I'm like, "Okay,

105:24

I'm gonna remember this because you're

105:26

you're going to pull through."

105:29

Me and Matthew

105:31

were we we kept waiting for it to

105:33

happen.

105:35

And we we threw a Thanksgiving thing, a

105:37

Friendsgiving, and we were just counting

105:39

the people who walked through the door.

105:42

There were there were exactly 20 people.

105:45

exactly 20 people

105:50

and we're like cuz I I I saw the birds 3

105:55

months earlier

105:57

exactly 20 people and even then there

106:00

was this girl her name was Michaela

106:04

and I was tableabling at an event just

106:07

you know showing off different clubs she

106:09

comes up not even expecting to talk

106:13

about Jesus this

106:16

and

106:18

I start asking her questions and

106:20

immediately there's tears

106:23

immediately

106:26

and we're just getting somewhere

106:29

like the the conviction of of the sin

106:33

that she was living in. It was just

106:36

hitting her. I could see the spirit

106:39

working in her in real time.

106:43

And

106:45

you know over the semester she she grew

106:47

a lot.

106:49

She really did.

106:51

And it was just the opportunity to work

106:53

with all these different people to see

106:55

the Holy Spirit work in their lives. I

106:58

remember I went to New York with Young

107:01

Life

107:04

and I remember this girl getting saved

107:06

there.

107:08

She went not even expecting

107:12

to to find Jesus to believe.

107:16

And then when she leaves,

107:20

she's in her word. She's reading the

107:22

Bible. She actually believes in Jesus

107:25

Christ as her savior, as the only thing.

107:31

And you know, over the past couple

107:33

months, I've watched her lay down

107:35

aspects of her life. I've watched her

107:37

follow through.

107:39

You know, I've seen people who I know

107:43

this one girl, she was in an online chat

107:45

room and one person just said the name

107:48

of Jesus. She said she was on the floor

107:51

crying, calling out to him. The very

107:54

next day she gets this conviction.

107:57

Throws everything out.

108:01

And I'm like,

108:04

I don't know anything else but to to

108:06

hear the conviction and to hear the

108:08

direct obedience.

108:10

I don't question that testimony. I know

108:12

you had an encounter.

108:14

I know you know him. It's just every

108:17

time

108:20

that I question if God's going to do

108:22

something. He shows up.

108:24

He had told me,

108:26

you know, he had told me to leave the

108:28

job. I I was spending too much time

108:30

there.

108:32

And I didn't think,

108:35

you know, I didn't know what I was going

108:36

to do, but I'm like, okay, well, if

108:38

you're if you're telling me to do this,

108:41

then you must have a reason. So I put in

108:45

my two weeks at same day

108:48

and I go without a job for maybe like 2

108:50

months and you know I'm looking here and

108:52

there but I'm like God told me to do

108:55

this. He has some plan for me. I wake up

108:58

one day

109:01

and

109:04

one of the people from Jesus Club, her

109:07

mother owns an investment firm

109:11

and I just receive a call first thing

109:14

when I get up offering me the job.

109:18

I know nothing. I've never talked to

109:20

her, know nothing about her,

109:24

but she [snorts] says if I want it, I

109:26

the job's mine. And then

109:31

every single time, just every single

109:33

time where I I don't think God's going

109:36

to do something, he shows up. I I

109:39

remember I was in band

109:43

and I was just talking about Jesus and

109:46

this one girl starts crying. These other

109:50

people want to give their life

109:53

to the Christ. They want to they want to

109:56

submit their life to Christ. And these

110:00

were things that I was praying for. And

110:03

I, you know, I don't know what he's

110:05

doing now, but I know it's something

110:09

because

110:11

I know I know I've had people that I

110:13

haven't even talked to,

110:16

you know, people I've gone out

110:18

evangelizing with maybe once or twice

110:22

and they're just being reintroduced

110:26

in such an interesting way. I I see them

110:30

turning

110:32

to God. I see I see that fire growing in

110:35

them. And then just recently, I ended up

110:39

leaving the church that I'd been with

110:41

for 4 years

110:43

from the start of, you know, my

110:45

conversion,

110:47

from the start of being saved. You know,

110:49

I I felt the need to update them on

110:51

where [clears throat] I've been, on what

110:52

I've been doing. So I I sent this big

110:55

message of people to pray for of you

110:59

know of things that were going on. I I

111:03

mentioned

111:04

I went out evangelizing with Jesus club

111:08

on Halloween night and I mentioned a few

111:13

stories. One of them I was with Matthew

111:17

and I go up to this guy this group of

111:20

eight guys. This is like the first group

111:22

of people of the night. And I say to

111:25

Matthew, I look back at them. I'm like,

111:26

"Matthew, watch this." And I go up to

111:29

them and I ask them if they want prayer.

111:32

And one of them, one of them's like very

111:35

interested. And they were all just

111:37

smoking. So like they see me coming up

111:40

to them. They they try to hide the bomb.

111:44

And

111:46

I'm like, "Do you want prayer?"

111:49

And the one guy he's interested, he

111:50

stands up. He gets his he gets his

111:52

buddies to form this circle. And they

111:56

had put the bong down on the ground. And

111:58

we start praying.

112:00

And I give like 30 seconds for the Holy

112:03

Spirit to say whatever he wants to say,

112:06

the moment I'm about to open my mouth to

112:09

say something, we hear a shattering.

112:15

And

112:17

it was like someone had picked the bong

112:21

up and it dropped it because it it was

112:24

just all over the floor.

112:27

And one of the guys was freaking out,

112:29

but the guy who wanted prayer is like,

112:30

"No, it it's fine. We don't need it."

112:36

And [laughter]

112:39

[snorts] you know, so many things

112:40

happened that night. But I was updating

112:42

my church on it.

112:44

I'm like, you know, this happened, this

112:46

happened, this happened. We're seeing

112:47

the power of God. We're seeing people

112:49

healed. We're seeing people give their

112:52

lives.

112:54

And I'm just giving them people to pray

112:57

for, people that had been put on my

112:58

heart,

113:02

you know, as people in need.

113:06

And the amount of questions

113:09

that I got, it it caused some concern.

113:12

It definitely caused some concern.

113:14

in my church. I actually ended up

113:16

getting

113:18

a message um

113:21

at like 5 in the morning a couple weeks

113:24

later saying that the elders of the

113:28

church wanted to have a talk with me

113:30

about, you know, where I've been, why

113:33

I've been stepping away from the church.

113:35

And I had been praying

113:38

the whole time. I'd been praying for a

113:41

few months on whether I should leave the

113:44

church or not because I I was given the

113:46

paper for covenant membership to become

113:49

an official member of the church

113:54

and I remember

113:57

I remember trying to sign that paper and

113:59

I just couldn't. My my hand wouldn't

114:02

move.

114:04

I I just couldn't do it. And I remember

114:08

I had another person in the church reach

114:10

out to me asking me if I was going to

114:14

become a member.

114:16

And I told them that story and they said

114:18

that they prayed that God

114:22

would reveal

114:24

that this was the right choice. And all

114:26

I could say to them was [clears throat]

114:28

I pray that God's will be done. I have

114:31

not heard back from that person since

114:33

that point. And that was months ago.

114:40

And I was praying. I was praying even on

114:42

that interaction. I'm like, Lord, why

114:44

why did that happen?

114:47

And that that was the scariest part.

114:51

Because he only said a few words.

114:54

He says, "Because you fell in love with

114:58

me." Implying that they didn't.

115:03

[snorts]

115:04

And that was,

115:07

you know, that was

115:10

that was hard. I knew them for 4 years.

115:13

This is this is where

115:16

my community was.

115:20

But I I could see that I was growing

115:22

outside of it.

115:25

I could see that the fire was brighter

115:28

in me. So I start praying for the

115:31

church. I start praying for the

115:33

leadership. if I start showing up 2

115:34

hours early praying and just setting up.

115:38

But I get I get pulled in

115:41

to the meeting and I'm a bit nervous.

115:43

I'm a bit scared cuz I don't know what's

115:46

going to happen. Only two of the elders

115:48

show up

115:50

and

115:53

they just ask me about the message and

115:56

eventually we get into the conversation

115:58

of where was I saved and I say Jewish

116:02

synagogue. I say, "I was saved in a

116:04

Jewish synagogue." You know, and and we

116:06

get into like definitions and

116:08

just semantics,

116:10

you know, well, what what does this word

116:12

mean and what does that word mean? And

116:14

were you really saved definitionally,

116:17

technically?

116:19

And that whole week, God had been

116:21

showing me stuff about where Paul says

116:24

that we are to hold firm to the gospel

116:28

of our salvation.

116:32

I knew what I saw in that Jewish

116:34

synagogue. I knew how I felt.

116:37

I knew from that point everything was

116:40

different. I knew that I met Jesus then.

116:44

I knew that I wanted nothing more

116:47

than him.

116:50

So when I get when I got questioned like

116:52

that, to me it was confirmation

116:56

where I could no longer be there. when I

116:59

leave, we do baptisms about 2 days

117:02

later.

117:04

For the past week,

117:08

God had um revealed some stuff to me

117:11

[snorts] about

117:13

why I was still struggling with certain

117:15

things, why I couldn't get away from

117:18

certain temptations,

117:20

and I had been praying against it that

117:22

whole week. So, we get to the baptisms

117:26

and we're just we're just praying and

117:27

praying and praying before we do

117:30

anything, before anyone shows up. And I

117:32

have seen

117:35

deliverance before,

117:39

but I didn't feel it. I remember as

117:42

we're praying,

117:45

I start first I start coughing, then I

117:48

start gagging like I'm going to throw up

117:51

for about 15 minutes.

117:55

But nothing comes out like nothing

117:58

physically.

118:00

But at the end of that prayer,

118:03

I know

118:05

it felt like a weight was lifted.

118:09

It felt like a weight was lifted.

118:12

This was 2 days after I had left my

118:15

church. From that point, the sexual

118:19

temptation hasn't been there.

118:21

like I was fighting against it before.

118:26

It It doesn't even feel like a fight

118:28

now. It comes. I say, "Lord, rebuke you.

118:32

It's gone. Something changed. God did

118:35

something."

118:38

And that night, I remember I heard him

118:40

say that it was finished. That what he

118:43

had revealed

118:45

to me was gone.

118:49

and I held to that.

118:52

And to this day, it's still gone.

118:56

To this day, I still don't struggle

118:58

nearly as much as I used to. And just

119:03

recently,

119:05

I've started having people from my old

119:07

job reach out to me

119:12

saying that they've had this feeling

119:15

that they needed to talk to me, but they

119:17

don't know why. none of which are

119:20

Christian, by the way.

119:22

But they just have this feeling, this

119:24

urge to talk to me. And I I didn't know

119:27

God was going to do that. But

119:30

they're just more people to pray for.

119:32

You know, there's still a lot that God

119:34

has to work out. But every single day,

119:38

he's faithful. Every single day, what

119:41

life looks like in Christ now, it's

119:44

mainly been prayer.

119:47

It's mainly been spending time with him

119:51

because I had been in the church for 4

119:54

years

119:56

and

119:59

the fire that I was experiencing wasn't

120:02

bright.

120:04

But now I know that I'm stepping up. I

120:07

know

120:09

that God is calling me to something.

120:11

prayer, spending time in the word,

120:14

questioning every little detail, you

120:17

know, going back to the Greek book,

120:18

going back to the Hebrew, every little

120:21

thing because the God who created the

120:24

universe did not just write

120:29

cleanly.

120:30

You know, the scripture, the word has so

120:33

many meanings. It's it's so deep. You

120:36

don't just read the Bible once and get

120:38

everything from it. No, you have to keep

120:40

going back and going back, going back to

120:42

even, you know, Jewish rabbitic

120:45

writings. What did they think? What did

120:47

they see? What did they experience?

120:51

Okay, then why are we so radically

120:53

different? I remember I was um going

120:55

through Jeremiah

120:57

and God asked this question.

121:02

Jesus had said of John

121:05

that he was the greatest prophet born to

121:09

a woman. And then he said that the least

121:11

in the kingdom should be greater than

121:13

this.

121:15

So God asks, okay, well, if we're to be

121:18

greater than the prophets, then why

121:22

are their lives more holy than ours? Why

121:26

are they called friends of God?

121:28

Why are we not

121:32

why why is so modern church that we can

121:34

go to church and then live however we

121:36

want?

121:38

Why do we keep running to things of the

121:41

world to entertainment of the world? Why

121:43

not to the word? You know, we say it

121:46

that this world is going to pass, but do

121:48

we believe it? And so God is just

121:49

showing me to lay everything down for

121:53

him.

121:55

Because if I say that he's all there is,

121:57

if I say

122:00

that there's no one above him or before

122:02

him, no one beside him, then I need to

122:05

live in a way that proves it.

122:10

You know, James says,

122:13

"If you have works and I have faith,

122:17

show me your faith without your works,

122:19

but I'll show you my faith by my works."

122:22

And Jesus says, "If you love me, keep my

122:25

commandments."

122:27

We have to live

122:30

in a way that honors him, that glorifies

122:33

him, that puts him in his proper place.

122:36

Cuz the moment

122:38

that fire starts going out, he says in

122:41

Jeremiah,

122:43

the moment that fire starts going out,

122:45

we start following what is useless.

122:48

And the thing that we follow, the thing

122:51

that we worship, that's the thing that

122:53

we become. So we need to lay everything

122:56

down for Jesus. And God's really been

122:58

showing me that. As I said,

123:02

majority has just been prayer in the

123:05

word

123:08

and then having conversations with

123:10

people who God just brings to me.

123:13

It's not like I'm going to them. God

123:15

just brings them to me with questions,

123:18

stuff that he's already answered in

123:20

personal time. And I remember

123:24

I I believe it's in Song of Solomon

123:27

where

123:29

you know the the woman says,

123:33

"I want to know where your sheep eat. I

123:38

want to know where you feed your sheep."

123:42

And the man says then follow their

123:45

footsteps. You know we see all these

123:47

fruit of the prophets. We see all these

123:49

fruit

123:51

of Paul of the disciples.

123:56

Then do as they do. Live as they lived

123:59

cuz they got their fruit

124:02

from the provider of life from the light

124:04

of the world Jesus. So do what they do.

124:10

And again, God's really been showing me

124:12

that if someone were to ask me why they

124:15

should follow Jesus

124:20

because everything changes.

124:24

Everything.

124:27

No matter what metric you're using

124:32

to say there's value in life, whether

124:34

it's, you know, happiness, peace,

124:38

he saved me from the depression.

124:42

He gave me peace.

124:45

He can do the same for you. No matter

124:48

what situation you're going through,

124:51

there's a time you felt alone. There's a

124:53

time you've cried yourself to sleep.

124:54

There's a time,

124:57

you know, where everything got too much.

124:58

There's a time where it feels like

125:00

you're carrying the weight of the world

125:03

on your shoulders. But Jesus is the only

125:06

person in history who says, "Come to me,

125:10

you who are heavy ladened,

125:14

for my yoke is easy and my burden is

125:16

light."

125:18

And then he proves it because one of the

125:20

only times he talks about his own heart,

125:22

he says, "I am meek and lowly in heart."

125:25

His heart

125:28

is for you. He has a love for you and he

125:32

wants to lay down his life for you

125:37

and he has he's taken that first step.

125:40

So you have two options

125:42

and there's only two. [clears throat]

125:45

You can keep going chasing the things of

125:47

the world

125:50

no matter what they might be and you'll

125:52

end up with the depression. You'll end

125:54

up with the suicidal thoughts. You'll

125:55

end up you know with the overdoses.

125:58

You'll end up with all of that.

126:02

Or you can go to Jesus and you'll end up

126:05

with peace and you'll end up with rest

126:08

and things are still going to happen.

126:12

But he is faithful

126:14

even in those moments.

126:17

You know, people are still going to hurt

126:19

you, but Jesus never will. So, if you

126:22

were to ask me why you should follow

126:26

Jesus, [music]

126:29

because

126:30

he is peace.

126:34

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