Joe Rogan Experience #2195 - Andrew Huberman

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day all right we're good Mr huberman how

are you sir good to see you good to see

you so what were you just saying about

dog breeds that like we're talking about

Carl like the little Bulldog breeds have

more Mastiff than wolf yeah so so

Mastiff is a different thing well so

don't they all come from Wolves yeah

they all orig from wolves but then dog

selection has been twofold mainly for

phenotype like morphology the shape we

call it and then temperament right so

there's this chart how might be a little

hard to find online um about the dosing

of wolf versus Mastiff genetics

essentially and there's a bunch of other

things woven into dog genetics first of

all cool Point dogs are among I don't

know if they are the most maybe whales

are the most but they are among the

greatest variation in body size within a

given species you think of Chihuahua and

great and it looks like it's dosing of

the genes controlling

igf-1 which makes sense grow hormon but

kind of wild right like you we got some

big humans and some smaller humans but

not like dogs not like dogs and

chihuahua and then what are those

enormous uh Shepherd dogs those um what

are those ones those insane dogs they

used to fight off wolves what the [ __ ]

are those things called those gigantic

ANC hairy things you know what I'm

talking about we've talked about them

before they're terrifying looking dogs

yeah I mean just the what's it called oh

my goodness oh yeah those things what

the [ __ ] is that thing what is that

called

again doesn't I don't know it doesn't

say it's just like but we've we've seen

it

before doesn't it say the name of the

dog I don't know why it's not saying it

well find the name of those dogs cuz

there's Brian call knows all this

[ __ ] right so I have a colleague at

Stanford sumac Connell who Joo Joo dogs

no that's not it there's a name for them

though oh Tibetan Mastiff Tibetan

Mastiff yeah they're really furry and

they're like 250

lbs look at that puppy that's seven

weeks old that's so crazy wonder how

many they have in a litter how could

they have very many yeah there got to be

just a few poor poor mama so I this

colleague at Stanford Sue McConnell

she's one best in show at some of the

big events for uh py um she breeds

horses and she's into that hole what's

up py the pulley are the ones that look

like rosarian dogs you know their eyes

are covered they're they're amazing

they're amazing and um she had this

chart on her door I was going to meet

with her about something she handles a

lot of undergraduated education at

Stanford and I see this chart and the

chart essentially shows the dosing of

kind of the original wolf line genes

versus more Mastiff heavy genetic

background and there are a lot of breeds

on this chart but essentially shows up

in the following way the dogs that are

more

sight and scent right and with longer

snouts like a shepher like a Shepherd

have more heav dosing of the wolf jeans

still in them then you get to the

shorter snout kind of snubnose like the

French Bulldog the English Bulldog and

some Mastiff breeds pugs right and the

amount of wolf in them is like nil to

none and then what's but wait a minute

but they all start off as wolves so they

have some genes that relate to the wolf

origin origin lineage right but over

time they've been bred for instance the

English Bulldog right but but all dogs

originally come from wolves all of them

that's my understanding as well even

Mastiffs that's right that's my

understanding but then as they were

cross spread with different dogs right

so for instance like the English Bulldog

that line came from the crossing of

essentially pug like short snout right

but with Mastiff with Mastiffs or with

dogs with heavy Mastiff genetic dosing

why well the idea was the short snout

gives them a a good lever for holding on

to things right and the Mastiff genes

lead to and we know this for sure both

the the droopiness of the face it also

relates to less uh presence of pain

receptors in the front of the body okay

so if you've ever had a bulldog but you

know their feet can be really sensitive

but their face you can hold on to those

gels my Bulldog costell would go picking

up stuff at the beach and he

occasionally get a fish hook in his

mouth and it looks super painful and

he's like you know so not not very many

pain sensors in the face they have a

they have a disruption and or mutation

in the gene that controls the elasticity

of skin that's why they have the

droopiness and they are brachy spalc

short snout that's why they're not very

good breathers and they essentially have

sleep apnea that's why they have a bunch

ofs they snore like a [ __ ] they

do so they do snore a lot I can attest

like girl does it's crazy and and so

what were dogs being selected for well

unless you're showing dogs dogs were

selected for the kind of work they were

capable of doing like sheep dogs or

great herders this kind of thing but

when people essentially designed bread

up and cross sprad to get the English

Bulldog or the old English bulldog which

doesn't have as much of an under white

so I had an Old English Bulldog so

whereas the English Bulldog is elbows

out so inward rotation the thing we're

all supposed to not do and

underwrite the old English bulldog looks

like this it looks more like a pitbull

looks more like a pit and they were

originally used for bull baiting for

grabbing onto the nose of the bull

getting the bull super aggressive and

then being able to let go and get called

off and coming back to their uh to their

protector and then basically then it was

for it was to rile up the bull right for

bull fighting so you can still find some

of this stuff online um you can find

some old descriptions in some cases even

some old videos but of course now bull

baiting with dogs is not allowed right

dog fighting everybody looks down on but

then if you start asking about the toy

breeds what were the toy boy breeds

quote unquote designed for or bred for

they were basically designed to sit next

to you some of them will seek out you

know like the terrier breeds will find

verman right they'll go find rats

they're they're really good ratters

actually Jack Russells are great Jack

Russells are great ratters the um the

West Highland Terriers The Westies um

the Ken Terriers they're always they're

really great

hunters L for little things right and

the amazing thing is that when you start

looking at the different breeds it was

basically human selecting on the basis

of mostly behavior and phenotype shape

and thinking oh like I want a smaller

dog that will just sit near me or I want

a small dog that will that will like

kill rats and sit near me no I want a

big dog that's going to guard so you

start breeding for pain tolerance start

breeding for loyalty and aggression and

um a guy that I think was on your

podcast a long time ago uh Sam Sheridan

yeah yeah in a Fighter's heart there's a

great chapter where he talks about uh I

think it's dog fighting in the

Philippines and he talks about how

brutal that sport is which indeed it is

but he talks about the love between the

owner and the dog can predict and and of

course the dog and the owner it's

reciprocal one presumes that the

strength of that relationship predicts

how hard the dog will fight for the

owner and he uses this as kind of a

parallel construction for why and you

tell me if this is true or not that many

of the fatalities in boxing were the

consequence of sure 15 round as opposed

to 12 round fights but also when the

corner man or the coach was the parent

and so and so it gets into this very

complicated psychology I actually think

that's a really terrific book um because

I think it it speaks to a lot of really

interesting aspects of bonding between

humans bonding in that case between

animals and humans of course dog

fighting like I don't know if there are

many things that people look down upon

as much as they look down upon dog

fighting but he speaks to the

relationship between the dog and the

owner as a loving one which was super

surprising to me anyway um that's a bit

of a tangent but um I don't know maybe

it's possible to find that chart I don't

want to say you on a ridiculous

Expedition but if you just say so jeans

simple that's a simple one okay um this

one the one I'm thinking about is a

vertical one um uh that was in Science

magazine or Scientific

American um but it's wild um again I

don't want to send you on a on an

expedition that has us paused

but same thing yeah sorry about thator

no worries but it's just we get a rough

understanding of it all yeah so so now

when I see like okay like a collie like

I see a collie down there I think long

snout so probably has a better nose than

a than a mastiff breed um are you can

ask an owner how good is their Vision

are they a sight hound or a scent hound

and of course that're they're both but

some dogs like I'm really interested now

in part because of you and cam Haynes

and others about dogs that hunt or go on

hunts and like the [ __ ] hound breeds are

amazing I've always wanted a redbone

[ __ ] hound their ears wafted up smell

that's why they're so long yeah I didn't

know that yeah the reason why they have

those long floppy ears is as they're

running their ears are wafting up smell

and it gives them a better sense of the

the the chase oh amazing I I read um

this uh incredible description of why

dog scent and sense of smell is so much

better than ours there's a guy named

gome soel who's been on my podcast he's

over in Israel who claims that human old

faction is just as good as dog old

faction

but how do they how do they outdo us the

frequency of sniffs and this is really

cool you know those little notches on

the side of the nose like our nostrils

look more or less symmetric they have

those little notches they create they

create little vortices for the dog so

that the scents stick around they're

actually getting longer exposure to a

scent so when they they're getting

something like 10 or 20x the exposure to

the scent in the old factory

bulb and are able to assess both

directionality they can do right nostril

left nostril they can sense odor plumes

to steer in One Direction or another but

gnome has done these crazy experiments

when he was back at Berkeley where he

had people hands mitted eyes covered so

they can't sense touch they can't see

everything's covered and they can follow

a scent of chocolate buried seven Ines

below the ground what yes and you can

see this this you can find if you say uh

a tracking sorry Jamie my goal wasn't to

come here and send you on these do these

people have a nose like AR shafir

uh of what

[Laughter]

or Adrien Brody oh oh my um if you say

uh kind of Berkeley chocolate uh

tracking soble or something like that it

should come up so he would do these

aerial views of these people tracking

these scents on the ground and it turns

out people are really good at this they

can track a scent um yeah and if

sniffers show that humans can track

scents and that two nostrils are better

than

one okay so if you but if you go images

I think you probably sent through the

grass

yeah if you go

images and then I'll lay off the track

sense so if you go to images uh damn it

and you just say a Berkeley just

say there it is right so they compared

the tracking of a scent Hound of a of a

Blood Hound to human tracking of a scent

buried uh in the case of the The Blood

Hound it wasn't buried so that person

what do they have a mask on yeah they

got a mask on their hands are covered

with thick gloves they can only use the

only thing are their

nostrils and there but that line that

yellow line is not a line with a bunch

of chocolate on it it's buried below the

surface I always thought it was above

and then when I talked to Nome he said

no no they buried the chocolate scent

and people were able to track it like a

like a hunting dog tracks how do they

bury it if it's grass I think they cut a

trench and then they covered it up

oh wow so he insists that this thing

that you see in all the textbooks which

is that humans have you know like one

1,000th or something of the number of

factory receptors that's that's total

[ __ ] really total [ __ ] in fact

our friend who by the way wanted me to

say hello Rick Rubin turned to a good

friend of mine who's the chair of

neurosurgery of a major depart medical

school department not Stanford I promise

and said what percentage of the things

in medical textbooks okay this is Rick

asking this chair of neurosurgery okay

what percentage of things that you find

in medical textbooks basic and advanc do

you think are false based on your

understanding of what we actually know

now compared to when the textbooks were

written and he said 50% and then he and

then Rick said and yep and then Rick

said I know I was wideeye too and then

Rick said and what is the extent of

impact on treatment of patients modern

day and his answer was one word

incalculable oh my God 50% WR 50% in

currently used medical textbooks meaning

that the literature has been updated

with new understanding new scientific

papers but it has not yet been

incorporated into the medical education

let me let me say something cuz I know

that bears have insane senses of smell

that are many times stronger than a

blood hounds and uh famously can smell

people from 100 200 yards away

like there's got to be levels to it and

I just can't imagine that a blood hound

doesn't have a better sense of smell

than a person right so they absolutely

have a better sense of smell in uh under

the definition that they use it they use

the same number of receptors differently

in other words the resolution of your

vision and a mouse's vision is

dramatically different the resolution of

your vision is very sharp at the fobia

towards the center of your eye and

actually towards the periphery you could

anyone can just do this you wiggle your

fingers out here in the periphery and

you can't see any detail right as you

move that forward you can see detail

okay so and that's because the density

of pixels so to speak in the retina is

much much higher near the fobia near the

center than it is at the periphery okay

so what he's saying what Nom sobel's

laboratory has found and others have

found is that the number of pixels the

the the the potential for olfactory

resolution in humans and in blood hounds

is essentially the same this is his

argument but that blood hounds sniff

much more so it's the equivalent of

having their eyes open much more right

in the example um so to speak

they have these vortices that are

created by the structure of their of

their nose and nostrils so they have

longer exposure and in the case of the

bear for instance I don't know how many

old factory receptors they have relative

to a human or a blood hound but that the

um the bear is likely spending a lot

more time and can pull more air perhaps

we I don't know but is using the the

mechanical aspects of the olfactory

system differently in fact and here's uh

now I'm recalling the experiment that

led to this conclusion that humans have

exceptional old faction which is that

there's a particular compound that when

introduced to a swimming pool people can

detect a difference in the smell of the

water at a dilution that is outrageously

uh outrageously small like skunk spray

like skunk spray um forgive me because

I'm not remembering the name of the

chemical but he said you can essentially

add a drop of this to a a swimming pool

and then people can smell the difference

between the water and so his argument is

not that humans are walking around

sensing all these smells consciously as

well as a blood hound or as well as a

bear but that we have a tremendous

capacity for old faction that you know

that the chocolate tracking

experiment exemplifies but it requires

some removal of our most dominant sense

vision and hearing our second most

dominant sense and in that case tactile

um uh orientation as well and so the

idea is that you know we have an amazing

Al Factory apparatus in fact he he makes

the argument and there's evidence for

the fact that as soon as people meet and

they've done these beautiful experiments

people meet they shake hands and you

know the next thing they do they tend to

within about a minute they wipe the

scent of the other person on their face

typically I guess I wasn't paying

attention they don't realize it people

don't realize this and they just do it

subconsciously yeah map I think

merap also known as the how do you say

that thees where is it suoc containing

organic compounds with a strong

unpleasant owner they are colorless

yellows liquids it can be flammable mer

Captain are found in nature and in

living organisms as a waste product of

of metabolism and in oil and gas they're

also present in certain foods such as

some nuts and cheese and in decaying

organic matter and marshes right so

we're probably sensitive to the odors

that that matter that can kill us that

can kill us he also has this idea that I

think is starting to take hold in real

data that we are constantly sensing our

own o odor plumes that we you know that

we we smell ourselves a lot of times per

day that's actually very normal behavior

you know there are all sorts of ways

people do that that nobody talks about

yeah you check a sniff people check

their Sniff and it's a it's an

indication of hormone status immune

status when you have babies or puppies

like you know you're looking at like oh

is a good poop or a bad poop you know

you're also paying it people some people

will smell the poop I'm I'm not a a

proponent of that but we're constantly

sensing the scent and taste of for

instance our partner saliva right

actually an ex-girlfriend of mine wrote

to me recently uh I don't know what this

question represented but she said um do

you think that when you become

unattracted to somebody the um the taste

of their mouth um becomes bad to you or

the other way around when you become

unattracted attracted I guess she might

have been dating somebody and like maybe

they had fallen out of favor and she was

kind of not attracted and she was sort

of noting that um The Taste mou their

mouth no longer like it tasted kind of

reversive now as supposed to before I

bet that's in your mind I bet you don't

like them anymore cuz if you're really

in love with someone you don't even care

if they have bad breath you still want

to kiss them that's true because you

just love them you don't care true yeah

that's true too yeah you don't care if

they smell you don't care you just you

love them but if they're gross and then

they smell you're like uh right you

[ __ ] stinky [ __ ] this this is a a

mule deer

skull so you know this is uh not as

Extreme as an elk but you get a look at

the internal if you look inside of that

and you see oh yeah cuz they can wind

you from 100 yards away easy so see this

spongy stuff I don't know if they can

see it on video there's this spongy

stuff there that's something called the

CRI plate the CRI form plate is a bunch

of Swiss cheese like thin bone and the

olfactory neurons which basically sit

like right behind your the back of your

nostrils they uh they send axons their

low wire light connections back into the

brain and when somebody gets hit hard on

the head that cior plate shears it and

that's why people become anosmic they

lose their sense of smell yeah look at

that picture now what's amazing about

the olfactory neurons is that they are

among the very few neurons in the human

and other mamalian nervous system that

regenerates throughout the lifespan so

there's a little area of your

hippocampus where there's some neurons

that everyone makes a big deal of that

frankly don't do a lot to regenerate

throughout the lifespan SOC called

neurogenesis new neurons but the

olfactory neurons even though they're

central nervous system neurons just like

your retinal neuron or your cerebral

cortex they can regenerate throughout

the entire lifespan and they do every

time somebody takes a head hit or

there's some you know shearing off of

these axons axon excuse me um they

regenerate now under conditions like uh

we saw this a lot uh during covid where

people were complaining about loss of

smell um we see this when people age

some people are thinking that loss of

smell may be a correlate not the cause

but obviously but a correlate of age

related cognitive decline dementia and

Alzheimer's things like that um there

are a few things actually I think I

recommended it to a couple of friends of

ours now this there very little data on

this but I will say and I'll I'll catch

heat for this but these days I catch

heat anyway so I don't care there are

good data in my opinion small amount of

data but let's call it decent enough

data to explore that alpha lpoic acid at

600 milligrams per day during the time

when You' starting to lose your smell

might rescue some of that smell

someone's getting covid and they start

to lose their sense of smell if they or

any viral infection where they are

losing the sense of smell what other

viral infections cause a loss of sense

of smell well anything that clogs the

sinuses certainly but um there are

influenza viruses that do this now I

know as we're saying this that some

people say in fact gome soel told me

that he felt that the data about alpha

lpoic acid were kind of on the weak side

but when people are losing their sense

of smell and taste it's really scary I

mean it's one of those things where you

know you kind of feel like so much of

pleasure in life unbeknownst to us is

yeah with food oh I'll never forget when

I got a viral infection and I took and I

lost my sense of smell and I ate a

handful of blueberries which I love and

it just tasted like bags of of water I

was like I was like oh goodness like I I

don't there are worse things Co that you

lost your smell with it was and I did

the smell training which has also been

shown to work because these old factory

neurons this is amazing their survival

is activity dependent they require

electrical activity driven by sniffing

and smelling it is true that the

behavioral tool of taking a lemon and

really just like getting it close to

that nostril and just really trying to

get whatever little whiff of lemon you

can and then taking you know your coffe

and getting that little whiff of coffee

whatever little remnants of smell that

you can get in there has been shown to

improve the survival and eventually the

durability of not just thefactory

neurons but scent in other words the

behavioral training works there are the

alpal Loke acid thing is debated the

thing about alphalipoic acid is

diabetics and people with blood sugar

issues probably shouldn't take it it can

kind of reduce blood sugar a little bit

but when I had that happen lost my sense

of smell I was like listen I I don't I

want my smell back so I took 600

milligrams of valal lpoic acid and I was

doing the the scent training I was like

sniffing lemon sniffing coffee sniffing

parmesan cheese sniffing anything that

was pent that I could recognize and my

smell came back in a couple of days but

then again I don't know cuz I didn't run

the control experiment what whether or

not it would have come back anyway is it

only positive smells or what about if

you use smelling salts or something like

really intense well smelling salts I've

never used but well guess what do we

have some we've got some right here I'd

be willing to try think are they legal

before I do something illegal all right

yeah these are totally legal all right

I'll give it a shot uh these are the one

this is

ah this is uh Juju mufu who is a real

athletic freak who who uses these we I

don't know him but uh shout out to him

because this is the strongest [ __ ] we

have ever tried I will just this one's

sealed too so this I'll just do a I'll

just try a little bit oh you're going to

get all up in there come on this like

the co plunge this is I got a funny

story about the cold plune to tell you

later but uh uh that relates to you but

we'll get to that

but you're about to get your mind blown

here son so this stuff is so strong that

it's sealed in this bag wait wait is it

going to kill my old factory neur no

you'll be fine it's uh so strong that

even though it's sealed in this bag like

I have to rip this bag open and uh oh my

God damn my hands are slippery got a

knife um okay it's so strong that I

broken the Seal of this bag just

slightly look it's still kind of sealed

look you could smell through the bag try

the give a

sniff oh yeah yeah right okay this bag

is still sealed I haven't even cut the

bag yet so so as somebody who had a

laboratory with chemicals in it for a

long time now we we run clinical trials

on humans but so no more chemicals in my

lab okay now take a sniff you learn to

waft it you learn to the bottle the

bottle is it's not even out of the thing

no oh yeah yeah yeah the bottle still

sealed oh this is just the beginning you

know when you go to a park and you go

into a public bathroom at a park that

has a pool nervous yeah I'm getting

nervous you know I'm no Elon Musk but I

saw what happens when people do

substances on this that was legal in the

state of California and I think

everybody's getting a lot little out of

hand yeah you got in trouble you're like

we're down here in Texas so okay now

again this is totally legal now what

you're going to do here is take this

isn't it amazing that the word legal

when said fast sounds like illegal yeah

legal and then you go wait what did you

sayal it's totally legal and vice right

yeah all right so what do I do uh

unscrew the cap look it's my initials ah

unscrew the cap all right put it about 6

inches from your nose take a big sniff

get in there all

right yeah baby let's go now imagine if

you had co wait wait wait wait hold on

let me just kind of experience that for

a second yeah yeah take it in I'm going

have you know whatting or wouldn't be

fair you know what's

interesting

oh oh

the fresh ones are so powerful I feel it

in my eye because the sinuses run oh now

would imagine if you had Co you can

smelled over there huh I imagine if you

had Co and you lost your sense of smell

like this might be the key to getting it

back as long as it's not killing

olfactory neurons I don't think it's

killing it you can smell everything

after it I mean that's true my own I'm

obviously biased so cuz I like that

thrill for whatever reason we have in

the GRE I actually enjoyed that thank

you we have in the Green Room of the

mother you prompted me to did take

several new experiences uh that we can

talk about um but one other thing before

I forget um I know I I go down these

like nerdy rabbit holes here but when I

did the smelling salts a moment ago I I

sniffed with both nostrils but it came

in mainly through my left nostril right

and so I asked n Soo what's the deal

with this left nostril right nostril

stuff you know you have the the yogis

the switching the nostril things here's

what's Wild this is so wild it turns out

that

every two hours or so the dominant

breathing nostril

switches now really now that could be

interesting or that could not be

interesting right there are a lot of

things in biology that happen but like

what what is the meaning turns out it's

a direct reflection of a shift in your

so-called autonomic nervous system from

parasympathetic dominant to sympathetic

dominant meaning from more relaxed to

more alert and this is happening

periodically throughout the day like a

seesaw uring sleep so this whole thing

with the yogis of you know through one

nostril or the other nostril look it's

the olfactory bulbs there's a lot of

crossing over of information at later

stages and even some early stages once

the information gets to the brain so

that whole thing is probably a little

bit like weak sauce but this idea that

you're breathing easier through one

nostril or the other is reflecting an

underlying brain State and body state

that is absolutely true he tells me W

and um and the last thing is you said

why would Bears or blood hounds have

such better smell well in the case of a

bear the size of the old factory bulbs

and the amount of brain real estate

devoted to processing that information

is much more so we have a huge visual

cortex most of our brain frankly is

devoted to vision and to movement

whereas you know the the brain of a uh

let me think of like a turtle it's

mostly movement they have very low

cerebral cortex maybe that's not the

best example but certainly in a senent

Hound the olfactory bulbs are much

bigger than they are in a sight hound

and both of those have old factory bulbs

that are much much bigger than Jim's

Bulldog over there those guys sniff all

the time but they're mostly snorting

trying to get sense in their smell sense

of smell is much much worse than

Marshall's than your dog because

Marshall's a retriever yeah yeah that

makes sense cuz he can smell his ball

like if I throw his ball and he misses

it he just starts doing a circle and

then he finds it with his smell which is

crazy yeah smells as ball you know yeah

yeah incredible so so what is saying is

not that humans have smell that is as

good but that when you push the

conditions you can reveal a heightened

sense of smell that most people don't

think humans have now as I say this

there are a lot of people out there and

it's usually women who are like oh no I

can smell everything I can smell the

subtlest difference and so it might be

something related to maternal Behavior

it might be something related to

estrogen it might be something in the Y

chromosome that suppresses that we don't

know but some people are very old

factory they can smell when somebody's

not feeling right when they're not

feeling right but it's absolutely the

case that we're constantly taking the

chemicals off other people through

shaking hands through hugging rubbing

them on ourselves analyzing our own

smells unconsciously I always say that I

can smell [ __ ] you probably can but

I don't know if I really can smell it

but when someone's lying I feel like

there's a smell there could be the

stress it could be a certain you know we

talk about stress as one thing but

stress is the dosing of different levels

of cortisol epinephrine people that are

pathological Liars they can probably do

it without evoking those things then you

have things like pupil size bigger the

pupils more arousal right the more

stressed somebody is right we know this

right that's why like if somebody takes

a

stimulant pupils will get huge there's a

thing that people do when they're full

[ __ ] where they're anticipating your

response in a different way like when

someone's telling the truth like if you

tell me the truth you seem relaxed to my

response like you're telling even if

it's something that you're not proud of

you're telling me the truth this is the

thing when someone's lying it's almost

like they're waiting to see how you buy

it so that it's like their defenses are

up they're they counter punch they're

well they're selling it they they they

say it and they're like does he buy it

like you feel the does he buy it and

like oo you're full of [ __ ] oh

interesting you know let me think about

this so you are able to sense the their

anticipation of your response it's like

they've got uh queed up some counter

some uh evaluating where you're whether

you're going yes no or maybe yeah but

it's not reliable like I I just be to to

be completely honest I've been

bullshitted before but I think I'm

better at it than most and I think maybe

that's because I've had more

conversations with people than most

people have but uh it's not 100%

sometimes people are full of [ __ ] and

you don't you're not sure or you have

your defenses down I mean I've been

badly badly manipulated before it

happens yeah especially if you like

someone you know that's part the problem

you don't want them to be full of [ __ ]

yeah and some of the best manipulators

certainly in my experience are people

that have really figured out the

combination lock of the things that like

that I have felt deprived of and they

come in and and those tend to be unique

things like that you can't get out

anywhere you know and boy uh somebody

said that to me recently like there are

certain categories of humans that I just

I can't be seduced by I'm not talking

about just sexual seduction right but

you know you know I'm saying it just

can't be seduced by m um and then there

some people just are able to get past

that force field and so I consider

myself pretty good at threat sensing

except in that domain where like my

threat sensing is like the equivalent of

a of a stuffed animal my friend Tony

always says that erotic and psychotic

are so close to each other that you know

like it crosses over back and forth and

I think there's something to that too

that some of the craziest people or also

some of the sexiest people for some

weird reason like you you want to be

with them even though you know they're

dangerous like they're crazy like

there's some weird thing going on there

almost like you want wild kids because

wild kids could survive better that's an

interesting one you know what I'm saying

yeah I mean I think that the uh well

listening to a really good book that a

really smart person suggested to me um

called five types of people that will

ruin your life and um and I only wish I

had read it years ago and here's the

main takeaway that there are about 10%

of people out there um and it cuts

across all the standard labels of like

narcissist and borderline and all that

like they include some of that but they

they depart from that and they just

focus on what this is a guy who's a

psychologist it's written by a guy who's

psychologist he's worked a lot on

conflict resolution over the years

courtroom type Stuff Etc and he says in

this 10% of people they are high

conflict people but within they like

conflict they feed off it they like

drama they like conflict they like

creating it

but within that category it's pretty

evenly divided he claims between women

and men and then there's a further

division where about half of them play

Passive and victim but are highly

manipulative they use other people to

try and you know basically harm and then

the other 5% are very like aggressive

and abrasive and so he has this great

set of protocols I love protocols that

are essentially like don't move in with

marry or get engaged to or have a child

with somebody in the first year and this

Cuts in both directions just don't make

that agreement in year one as well as

for any behavior that kind of cues those

senses gets your Spidey senses up like

you were describing ask yourself would

90% or more of people do that behavior

and if it's a no like you have to pause

in other words what he's saying in this

book is that most people are actually

pretty healthy but that most of the

woses of the world are created by about

10% of people which he calls these high

conflict people but they don't always

come out high conflict like screaming

and yelling they're often very tactical

and manipulative and very vindictive um

they'll leverage victimhood they'll

leverage a lot of different things and

again cuts across men and women equally

he claims and again I don't know the

data behind this book but the book

itself just feels like a very useful

thing that everybody should know about

so I'm enjoying reading this book going

oh my God I wish I had this book years

ago plus I'm realizing like oh yeah like

we always hear this like most of our

problems come from a very small set of

people in things most of society's

problems and so who are these people so

we tend to call them narcissists or

sociopaths or psycho you know but those

labels while very useful in the clinic I

think have been overused in the general

public and like we're not clinicians

we're not diagnosing anybody and so but

difficult people that can ruin your life

abound but it turns out it's only about

10% so and it has some very specific

Protocols of how to deal with the people

who are more outwardly aggressive versus

play victim Etc very useful book I think

sucks that you have to think that way

though um can you just enjoy someone

enjoy their if they're if they're in the

90% yeah but that's the problem you

could Zig when you should have zagged

and you run into a 10center take a year

yeah a year is a long time though yeah

also people can learn like what you

tolerate and don't tolerate and hide

certain types of behavior from you yes

yeah which could be a real issue oh I've

definitely experienced that and it's um

and again I think we are often I you

mentioned that the relationship between

uh erotic and manipulative and crazy or

just erotic and crazy I think there's

also that when we finally receive the

sorts of I don't know love or affection

it's not always sex it's not always

sexual right like somebody like I like

rubbing your feet or paying you know

paying a little extra attention to what

you say or something for some people

that's intoxicating it's a lot of it is

paying attention to you A lot of it is

like listening to what you have to say

or asking you questions about your

thoughts and your feelings which a lot

of people are unaccustomed to and that's

intoxicating to people because a lot of

people just want to talk about

themselves so when someone wants to talk

about you and really is asking questions

about your feelings you know that can

kind of manipulate you in a weird way

yeah it almost feels like a like a

parental type of care that we're

probably wired to look for I mean I

always Marvel at this and also just kind

of shake my head and go why why did God

design us this way but uh you know the

the circuitry in our brain that creates

infant child attachment

is the same circuitry that is repurposed

for all other relationships in adulthood

it's not like you get your like your

childhood attachment stuff and then you

go okay well you know you're like 15 16

you're moving on in the world you're

hitting puberty you're starting to date

a bit whatever now let's like work with

a different set of mechanics a different

set of algorithms no it's the same set

of algorithms repurposed we know this

based on the studies of infant child

infant parent attachment and on the

basis or infant caretaker and on the

basis of studies of romantic love it's

the same circuitry so you're using uh a

set of algorithms in circuitry that were

designed for one thing in a very

different context that's interesting

that's probably makes sense why a lot of

men with like very overbearing mothers

seek overbearing

wives yeah yeah

I you know I uh I've learned so much

recently about just how it is that you

know we can um lose our our our vision

of like other people right like we and I

think this this thing that we hear like

manipulation it often sounds like oh

it's like really like tactical someone's

rubbing their hands I think the really

tricky part about it is I do think that

most people in the world are just like

doing their best to feel safe to get to

get their needs met I think there are

very few evil people right but in this

sort of pattern of repurposing childhood

attachment patterns and then people

bringing that forward into their adult

attachment patterns I think what ends up

happening is that you know people quote

unquote trying to get their needs met

often times like the worst ones

sometimes it's called trauma bonding but

they kind of go lock and key or somebody

identifies somebody that's really

healthy and they're like them I'm going

to latch on to them because like they're

healthy and and they could and You' say

well the healthy person should be able

to spot all the landmines but if

somebody's able to really tap into like

something you didn't have or something

that just feels Like Oxygen right

goodness gracious like you could be the

smartest most you know well acclimated

person with the best parents or whatever

upbringing which most people aren't but

you know some people do have that and

still fall kind of you know into this uh

fog that is like gosh like you want to

be with this person but it's but it

doesn't feel good you know that that

mish mash and I think the thing I've

learned clearly is that when you feel

that

trepidation run don't walk like like

it's not like the gray zone is actually

the thing to just exit fast gray doesn't

mean like hover and check it out and

like run some experiments here ticking

bomb get out yeah yeah exactly just run

just run it's also I think there's some

people that are very sheltered and

they've been well taken care of and

they're not accustomed to manipulative

people and they're not accustomed to

dangerous people and so they don't know

i' I've seen that before both with uh

people choosing the wrong friends and

people choosing the wrong Partners yeah

that certainly hasn't been my

pattern um not that I had the hardest

upbringing but it was E I always say

easier than some harder than others but

I always had great friends great

friendships but my threat sensing um

wasn't always great in romantic

relationships for sure I've also had

some great relationships I think what

tends to happen is that if we're very

busy we have this tendency to to be

easily manipulated by certain things

that are unusual that we just that

really feel like extra oxygen to us or

just feel so nourishing and cuz I think

people always or often default to sex

like it's all about sex depending on who

you are like sex is either more or less

readily available to you right like I

think that for some people it's

nurturing like a certain form of

nurturing and then there's also this

thing of we know how to survive certain

things so they don't feel as dangerous

so people who've had like very um you

know overbearing or or complicated

childhoods or abusive childhoods

sometimes they're set to perceive danger

at way too high a threshold right right

so their perception of what's dangerous

is like way too high and so they walk

into even still dangerous situations but

they don't think of them as dangerous

and they're like oh I can navigate this

they're good at navigating difficult

people or they're good at navigating you

know borderline people or something like

that I think it's also exciting which is

part of the problem that people like

excitement and if you have a boring life

and a life that doesn't have a lot of

stimulation in it and then you find

someone even if they're bad for you but

they're excited in there's some some

conflict some something there's there's

fights and breakups and then makeups

which are exciting you know and so then

you get locked into this stimulation

pattern which is I've seen that multiple

times with people it's a real problem do

you think it's more of a problem with

people that um like excitement and

adventure and are super curious but like

excitement and Adventure so I'm thinking

Comics I'm thinking um people who like

high-intensity sports that they seek

relationships that are higher intensity

because you know I've received great

advice from people like Rick whove said

you know your relationship should be a

sanctuary that should be where peace is

you know and actually I don't pay a lot

of attention to Instagram kind of little

modos and things but someone sent me one

that uh I was like yes that feels so

true which is that men eventually settle

where they feel peace yeah I think

that's probably the healthiest way to do

it but I think people like like I said I

think people like stimulation and I

don't think a lot of people are

stimulated by their day-to-day existence

I think they're bored I think a lot of

people are just like trudging along

every day and then when someone comes

along that makes you excited in your

life you know where someone who's just a

little Wilder a little crazier maybe

some lady's got a bunch of tattoos like

look at her you know like wo you know

people get excited by people that are a

little bit dangerous it's this idea that

anything could like Like Anything Could

Happen they could do anything they're

risky people you know someone's got

tattoos on their hands like Jesus what

is she doing yeah you and I both have a

lot of tattoos but keep I've kept it

intentionally kept it off the the hands

and neck face on my hands but it's uh

the face is a real problem like that's a

little wacky but I have a lot of friends

like jelly rolls good friend of mine

he's got tattoos all over his face post

balone good friend of

mine he's got a bunch of written [ __ ]

all over his face yeah I mean they're

the nicest people the thing about like

jelly roll and post is like once you

talk to them once you're talking to them

you don't see the tattoos anymore you

just see the human yeah you know it's

just like they wearing a shirt it's like

no it's nothing you know it's normal and

things have changed a lot like I was

born in 75 right so I'm heading towards

50 quick back then tattoos on the face

was crazy oh my my one of my childhood

Heroes and somehow by the grace of God

he's become a close friend of mine Tim

Armstrong lead singer from rany has a

tattoo of a spiderweb on his head and a

spider on his neck and I remember seeing

him when I was a kid at a show and be

like that dude's scary and Lars

Frederickson from Ranson says skunks on

his forehead they're super nice guys I

mean they're Travis Barker's super nice

guys Tim and tris do the transplant Yeah

Tim and Travis do transplants and like

you see those guys you're like whoa now

I think it shifted a little bit but back

then I remember thinking like that's

garly that's a tough guy yeah you know

and certainly Lars is a tough guy and

Tim too but the you know I remember

seeing it like you only saw it on bikers

and like gnarly punk rockers people that

checked out of society completely a

mohawk used to be you're not getting a

job right a nose ring used remember when

a nose ring or an eyebrow ring cover you

go into Starbucks and the person would

have it covered up you know like because

they weren't they weren't allowed to

have it right right right now I medical

students with with eyebrow rings and

nose rings and stuff so things have

definitely changed yeah we're a little

bit more open-minded to decorations but

it's a it is a thing though that you're

taking a giant ass Chance by tattooing

your hands well a friend of mine who's

admittedly is a psychologist said you

know tattoos are largely an expression

of what you feel on the inside put to

the outside and I was like that sounds

good yeah it's like yeah I don't know

just art it's I like art I like art on

my walls I like art on my arms I like

art there's some Rogan tattoos out there

I saw Lex Friedman face tattoo there's a

bunch of Lex Freedman face tattoos so

good so good he just had a birthday oh

you did too happy birthday thank you

very much and Lex happy birthday yeah

there's a lot of that's the weirdest one

is tattoo of of people's faces on your

body forever and there's I don't know

how many of them are me there's

thousands of them th I mean I used to

post them on Instagram all the time but

then I thought I was encouraging people

to get my face tattooed so that they can

I'd put it up on my Instagram but it's

kind of crazy there might be some reward

Loop circuitry going on there 100%

before I forget this can I ask you this

the people that are into this um

smelling salt stuff they're powerlifters

and they take a big sniff of that stuff

before they lift weights why would that

help help them adrenaline adrenaline

yeah so couple more things about old

faction and by the way I love this stuff

this is so wild because it's the most

primitive part of our brain and nervous

system we were chemical sensors before

we were light sensors right we were

sensing chemical environments is this a

safe chemical environment and we evolved

from that right we know that for

instance memories that are associated

with smell like the people would say the

smell of my grandmother's kitchen or

somebody's hands my grandfather's hands

that those memories stick with us longer

than anything because the olfactory bulb

has a direct line to a couple of

structures in the brain we so we have an

olfactory bulb which is the main thing

for smell then there's something called

the accessory olfactory bulb it sort of

divides into primitive smells that are

like aversive getaway quick those tend

to go through a really fast line through

the old accessory old factory bulb takes

us straight to the amydala to the pform

cortex it says move your body and facing

away from that like I didn't sit there

and on those smelling Sals like boom get

away it's it's like a reflex it's

fish this called M neuron where you tou

on one side of the body what does the

fish do goes the opposite direction big

huge neuron hardwired circuit well they

have those lateral lines that

detect sounds and things and vibrations

in the water the sensing Electro sensing

in a distance and these mou neurons are

incredible you touch Boom the fish heads

the opposite direction doesn't go like

oh are you another friendly fish you

want a mate they go I'm out of here oh

and then they check you out right and

it's so it's a reflex for safety the

olfactory syst system has these two

Pathways the olfactory bulb for kind of

like oh is this Black Rifle coffee you

know and then there's the smelling salt

one that goes through the the accessory

old factory bulb straight to the amydala

which is associated with threat

detection and other things straight to

the pform cortex and then to a motor

circuit Boom turn the head the other way

get out exhale don't inhale more

aversive okay so the thing about smell

is that you know it's got these very

hardwired components okay and they're

set up for either appetitive like hm let

me Explore More sniff in more versus a

as opposed to aversive behaviors like

get get me the hell away and the these

brain areas are among the more ancient

brain areas now I say ancient people

nowadays start picking apart at like

well it's not just lyic and cortex the

cortex is part of lyic that's all true

but if you look at our brains and you

look at the brains of like a turtle or

even a snake all the stuff we're talking

about right here are all they're not

exactly the same but they're all present

when you get to humans what you really

add is a lot of cerebral cortex for the

thinking and Association stuff like you

know I've been here before so I'm a

little bit less you know uh like looking

around as much as I did last time like

things you know not context dependent

learning context dependent stuff whereas

all the highly reflexive stuff is going

to be hardwired circuitry you find in

every animal every person and you need

to divide things into three three

different responses in humans okay in

order to survive yum I'm going to move

toward it yuck I'm going to move away

and me there's basically only three

motor responses to anything yum yuck or

me now there's a there's a matter of

degrees like you might see somebody you

really like you want to I know Joey Diaz

or something you know you see him like

you want to run over see him right so

there's an repetitive circuit moves you

towards it see something that's a little

odd you might pause I don't know what

that is or something aversive like

something happens in the in the parking

lot and you're like I'm getting the hell

out of here so the brain as complex as

it is needs to divide things into one of

three different motor responses forward

pause or Retreat okay I was playing with

Jam's dog out there before I was like

can I couldn't get him to back up that's

what's kind of cool about the Bulldog

right you charge him and he just goes

I'm like 20 times his size but he's just

like but he's also never experienced

anybody being mean to him so every

except a few dogs apparently but most of

his experiences are play like he knows

he can just run up to you and bite you

and you play with him right so you said

about why the the smelling salts and

adrenaline so here's the deal when we

have this aversive respon resp the move

away the yuck response get me away

there's a parallel response in the brain

and body of the release of epinephrine

adrenaline it's same thing sorry for the

Dual naming epinephrine and adrenaline

are the same thing same thing long

complicated boring history as to why

it's named two things nor adrenaline nor

epinephrine same same molecule so so

let's just call it adrenaline for sake

of Simplicity adrenaline is released

from the adrenals in the body and it's

released from a area in the brain called

the locus cerus which sends out a bunch

of little wires axons to sprinkler the

brain with adrenaline and both systems

work in parallel so when you smell

something aversive it goes inhale okay

olfactory certain olfactory neurons cue

that to the accessory Ola Factory bulb

bam straight to the amydala amydala

sends a signal down to the to the

adrenals at top the kidneys they release

adrenaline sends a believe it or not a

signal up to Locus cerius it sprinklers

the brain with

adrenaline and you just had within a

couple hundred milliseconds you just got

a parallel adrenaline response in brain

and body that allows you to do what more

easily move to move now you're ready for

motion you're ready for movement in fact

I'm sure if you put that under the

deepest sleepers nose in the middle of

the night they're going to wake up yeah

like like a you know like a gunshot went

off they used to give it to boxers when

they got hurt in the corner they' give

them smelling salts and wake them up

yeah cuz one of the best uh uh

painkillers is adrenaline m well you've

been hit hard before isn't it amazing

how little it hurts when it happens and

how much it hurts later yeah it's kind

of crazy it's crazy that's the thing

that's weird about fights like while

they're happening your shins are getting

battered things getting hurt you don't

you don't really feel much yeah

adrenaline unless you get kicked hard to

the body the liver shots doesn't matter

how much adrenaline you have pumping

there's something about getting hit in

the liver the liver when you get hit

like right here if you get kicked or

punched right here it's a crazy feeling

it's just just shuts everything off it's

real weird your body just shuts off I've

seen these uh images of like somebody

just like melt it looks like they melt

and it looks like they take a few paces

and they're like ready to counter Punch

or something and then it hits slowly I

don't know well some shots go away so

like some pain like if you get punched

in the gut and you're you know you're

you're Tiding up and anticipation it

still hurts it hurts but then you move a

little bit and then you're okay again

but the liver is the opposite the liver

you get hit and then there's a like

sharp pain and a delay and

then everything just shuts off it's very

weird it's very hard to fake and that

you're fine and move away you see like

telltale signs like one thing guys will

do all the time when they get hit in the

liver they drop their right arm down and

they pin it to their body so maybe

they're fighting like this they're

moving they whack the liver and you see

them do like that and they're still

moving but they can't help it they have

their arm PR because they know one more

shot there and they're [ __ ] so they

barely can keep a poker face and move

around but there's telltale signs that

you see that are just instinctive you

see them just drop their hand and a lot

of times guys will use that to set them

up with a head kick so like they'll hit

you a bunch of a good example that is

Islam makev and Alexander volkanovski he

hit him with a left kick to the body

multiple times in that fight and then

fired off one to the head and knocked

him out so it's like they just hiding

this like slow you see the leg come up

and it's very hard to rec there's a kick

called the question mark kick and it's

called a question mark kick because in

Taekwondo we used to call it a fake

front kick roundhouse kick and what it

is is you're lifting the knee up as if

you're kicking to the body in a straight

line and then you whip it over and go

like that and turn into roundhouse kick

pull up uh glob fosa glob fosa was the

best at it so much so that a lot of

people started calling it the Brazilian

kick because this guy was a K1 champion

who had the most flexible hips and the

craziest question mark kick and he would

literally bring it up and down over the

guard so your hands would be up this

like you think your hands are protecting

your head he would bring it up around

like this and drop it down on your head

and knock people out it's so wild cuz to

this day I don't know anybody who can

kick as good as him with that kick um

like to this day he has the the best

highlight there's a lot of people that

are really good at that kick but glob

had a very

unusual flexibility of his hips watch

this look at this well that's just a

regular one but he's got some of them

that go over that this is some of his

highlights like look at that see how it

does that see how it just goes up and

around it almost looks like his knee

just kind of yeah watch this watch this

he's going to do it in slow motion watch

the whip of it look at that that's so

crazy so you don't even know it's look

how he just whip it

down and it's just there's a lot of

people that are good with that but he

was the best at it I mean the best it

was just weird to see how he could do it

I'm I'm always amazed how people can

kick standing so closely oh yeah Will

glob was it's just flexibility of the

hips it's leg dexterity but the way he

could do it man it's just he the finest

question mark kick of all time I mean

here's knocking out semi schil who was

seven feet tall with it I mean it was

bizarre to watch that kind of

flexibility and also bizarre that no one

else seems to have

really kind of captured that technique

as well as he did and glob used to fight

I mean this was like K1 there's Israel

atna had a really good one too it still

has a really good one look at this one

WAP but that's a little bit more

straightforward I mean that's like

straight to the chin and it's a

beautiful kick but the way glob used to

do it it would go over the top and down

see that like that is so crazy I can't

do that I've been throwing kicks my

whole life I can't throw it like that

I'm always watching their eyes and uh

these Firs eyes it's amazing to me like

uh years ago I saw uh Mayweather fight

and um it was obviously on pay-per-view

and um and he was just getting paid for

sure right that was his thing but um it

was always amazing me in the slow-mo

like where he would slit punches by like

centimeters and they may think that like

his depth perception and the depth

perception of Fighters must successful

Fighters must just be exquisite because

I mean like slipping at that distance

with just a chin movement that's one

thing but it's also pattern recognition

you've been doing it so many times and

you know so uh really good Fighters one

of the things that you see is they don't

just charge out in the first round the

first round is like a feeling out

process so you're you're downloading a

lot of data points you're downloading

foot movement and a lot of guys watch

tape and they download it from that but

then you don't really know until you're

in there with a person so they're

downloading positions they're down

loading what a guy does like if you if

you pivot to the left does he move

forward does he move back does he throw

the left hook does he throw the right

hand what does he do and how good is he

at closing distance does he try to fire

from where he's at or does he skip

forward in fire does he give any

telltale signs does he Telegraph so

there's a lot of things that a fighter

looks for Mayweather had some of the

best counter punchers in the history of

the [ __ ] sport he was so good at like

staying in the pocket so he was an

elusive guy yeah slipping pattern

recognition pattern recognition so he

knows that left Fook is coming and so

look how straight he throws that right

hand see how straight he threw that so

Canelo is throwing these big wide

punches and Floyd is just cutting him

off at the path and then moving his head

out of the line of those hooks that come

his way so do you think um it's

conscious you know I'm obsessed with

this notion of unconscious gen genius

like you know like different domains of

super high performance where the people

don't exactly know how they do it but

they do it well you know how you do it

but you've also done it so many times in

the gym and in fights that it's second

nature so you're not thinking of it as

you're doing it one of the things about

countering people is uh and I used to

when I was in my Prime when I was

fighting all the time I would throw

kicks and they would land before I even

knew I was going to do it because

someone would do something and as they

would do something I instinctively knew

because of pattern recognition there's

going to be an opening like say if some

guy lifts his left leg if he's standing

with his left leg forward and he lifts

his left leg and he's coming towards me

with his left leg I know that he's

balancing on that right leg and that the

left leg is coming this way and if I

spin and catch him I can catch him as

his momentum is going this way and I'll

catch him that way and it'll double the

power of the punch or the kick did

somebody teach it to you cuz there

there's like a conscious and Wess of how

you do it guess what I'm I think this

notion of pattern recognition it's

interesting because earlier we were

talking about pattern recognition for

finding people who are lying right you

have this pattern recognition thing that

you know you're not saying it's perfect

but like you can sense something there's

things that and so it's a combination of

things that we aren't always aware of

that's the unconscious part of the

unconscious genius thing that I'm

referring to and so there's this idea

like our brains are pattern recognition

prediction machines and so do you think

like in other words two questions was do

you think Mayweather was ever pulled

aside and said listen pay attention to

their left shoulder and keep your eye on

his right eye I'm just 100% okay were

you ever told hey if his left leg comes

up that means he's balancing on his

right so you need to prepare a

Counterattack or an attack so well

that's where drills come in okay so you

do drills and you do drills constantly

and one of the things that may

Mayweather's father was a great fighter

Mayweather's father fought sugaray

Leonard back in the 1970s when Sugar Ray

was in his prime and gave him a hell of

a fight and his brother uh or his Uncle

rather his uncle Roger was Roger

Mayweather the Black Mamba he was a

great fighter so he grew up as a child

around some of the best boxers in the

world and so he was constantly seeing

the successful motions that they did and

constantly seeing them exploit

weaknesses in other Fighters and then

constantly sparring so in sparring

you're not just SP you're not just

fighting when you're sparring but you're

sort of downloading data you're

downloading data points for a real fight

and then you're doing drills where a guy

will you know some guys they'll do it

with Ms well they'll throw a hand at you

and they'll slip and and counter here

let me show you this this's this guy

Ilia Toria and Ilia Toria is uh one of

the absolute best fighters in the world

he's the current UFC um featherweight

champion and the dude is just [ __ ]

phenomenal but when you and one of the

thing that's phenomenal about him is his

technique his technique is is perfect

there's like no fat in his technique

there's no wasted movement so when an

opportunity presents itself everything

is so fast because the technique is so

streamlined but like look at how he hits

the pads and when you watch how he hits

the pads and Mayweather is a great

example of that as well did I send it to

you no didn't go

through I totally sent it hold

on says I sent it is it on Instagram no

I yeah it's on Instagram I sent it to

you though uh on a text message really I

sent it twice you got it okay um elot

toor like I said um one of some of the

best hands in the sport current UFC

featherweight champion and knocked out

volkanovski who was maybe the greatest

of all time watch him hit the punches

look at this see how he's moving his

head when the guy throws punches just

slipping just

slightly it's like total economy of mov

and the speed man the [ __ ] speed of

that look at the hand look at the hand

speed [ __ ]

incredible I mean if you know how

difficult that is to do and do it that

fast give me that Sound again let me

hear

this I mean these are like five six

punches a second yeah it almost sounds

it almost looks like it's sped up by one

one and a half

times and just phenomenal technique

but see how those Pun It's like they

they're not even talking so when he's

throwing the MS at his head to get him

to duck there not there's no

communication he just sees that hand

coming towards him and he's ducking he

sees this hand coming towards him and

he's ducking it's all like slight slips

away and it's slight motions which is

all you need to get away from a punch

right you just you don't want to move

too far you wasting a lot of energy and

you can't Counterattack one of the best

things about Floyd and one of the most

brilliant things about him he's one of

the most elusive fighters of all time

but he didn't move around he stood right

in front of you and you couldn't [ __ ]

hit him that's true Mastery of space and

true Mastery of technique he was he's in

my opinion he's the best boxer that's

ever lived yeah I mean I'm I'm not

qualified to to to rank people but I I

watched when he was making that Ascent

towards it ended up being 50 you know he

just fought last weekend this weekend

yeah he fought a um he fought a match

against John Gotti's grandson which is

crazy that's scary for a lot of reasons

yeah for a lot of reasons right this is

the second time they fought the first

time they fought it ended in a brawl

like like bunch of people jumped in the

ring it was crazy because they stopped

the fight because they were talking too

much [ __ ] to each other and holding on

to each other too much so the referee

stopped the fight for whatever reason I

don't know and and this fight was even

crazy too because the referee was the

first referee was terrible and the the

referee called Floyd said Floyd

Mayweather hit him behind the head

absolutely incorrect call Floyd threw a

right hand and it caught him on the side

of the head and the referee claimed that

it was behind the head so Floyd fired

the referee in the middle of the bout

they he stops the bout he's like get the

[ __ ] out of here get out of here he's

the promoter also well I guess I mean

also it's Floyd Mayweather like what's

the referee gonna do [ __ ] you you know

I'm going to stop the fight like also

they're in Mexico City like you could

get killed like just get out of the ring

buddy so Floyd throws this punch and

he's 100% correct the punch land at the

side of the head it's a right hook it's

a perfect punch and the the referee was

saying watch the back of the head he's

like what the [ __ ] are you talking about

that wasn't the back of the head and so

he kicks the guy out and they bring in a

different referee who finishes the fight

was it was insanity and Floyd won it was

an exhibition it's kind of a [ __ ]

money grab honestly so this is you see

the punch that's the punch right there

it's just a right hook he's saying back

of the head like so Floyd's like get the

[ __ ] out of here just get out of here

[ __ ] you get out of here he's like get

the [ __ ] out of here and if anybody's

qualified to say get out of here it's

[ __ ] Floyd Mayweather the best boxer

of all time he's 100% correct that

referee made a giant stupid error he's

like get out of here get out of here

he's like get out of the [ __ ] ring

this is his domain yeah it's and he's

right everybody watching it is right no

one thinks it's a bad punch if you let

let's see it again we can see it one

more time it's a counter right hand

let's do it we can see it in slow motion

so he throws the punch boom it's just a

perfect right hook it's a perfect right

hook what it does is a punch that goes

over the top of the guard and catches

him in exposed area of the head is

perfect punch and for the referee to

interfere there and also it's like it's

literally like someone who probably

doesn't know how to box at all telling

the greatest boxer of all time that what

he's doing is wrong which is just

bananas crazy so he got rid of the guy

in the middle of the fight but he's

still doing these bouts at 46 years old

still boxing these young kids again this

John Gotti III who is a uh very good

upand cominging MMA fighter so you know

he has all the weapons takedowns

submissions kicks All That Jazz but he's

choosing to fight Floyd in a boxing

fight just for money just like Conor

McGregor did it's really a trick he gets

these people to box with them they have

no business boxing with them and he's

making millions and millions of dollars

doing this way after his competitive

career is over which is I guess he's

earned that right hey man he's a genius

he really is a genius he's genius in

figuring out a way to keep making money

and one of the reasons why people watch

him fight is not because he's like Mike

Tyson just goes out and destroys people

they like watching him fight because

they hate him because he talks so much

[ __ ] and he's like look at my million

dollar watch look at my [ __ ] jet look

at my house look at this he's like

constantly showing you all these things

that he has like he'll lay out watches

in a hotel bed like this is a million

dollars worth of watches this watch goes

for $2 million and they're like this is

my small watch that I take sometimes but

I want to show you when I show show up I

bring out the big boy and it brings out

this watch is covered in diamonds it's

like [ __ ] $5 million and so you hate

him people hate him he creates Envy yes

yeah he creates envy and you want him to

lose but he's not gonna he's not gonna

he's too he's so good but the other

thing is discipline right you don't he's

not just this cocky guy who's like

really good at boxing he also has

incredible discipline I've seen running

in the middle of the night yeah he would

go to a nightclub with everybody else be

drinking water everybody's partying

having a good time Floyd would leave the

Nightclub at 2: a.m. have his bodyguards

drive the car and he would run in front

of the car for hours run home 2 o'clock

in the morning run five six

miles and did it all the time just

always did it was always fit Always In

Shape never got fat never got lazy

always was ready and so never really

experienced Decline and then decided at

a certain point in time like after the

Conor McGregor fight okay I'm done done

did it all beat everybody un undefeated

bye and now he just has these these

demonstration fights where they're

they're weird little exhibitions where

he's just beating people up that have no

business in the ring with them and one

of them he was walking around with a

[ __ ] a card a ring card he took it

from The Ring card girl and he started

dancing around so he's like under no

threat whatsoever he's enjoying life

well people like to be angry um I'm

always calling to mind a study I'll keep

this really brief but there's a famous

study by a guy named Robert Heath who is

a neurosurgeon and he he put a bunch of

stimulating electrodes into the brain of

some humans getting neurosurgery and he

offered them the opportunity to

stimulate any area they wanted and he

stimulates some areas and they'd feel

happy or giddy or drunk or sexual Rous

or whatever you know the one area that

all there were only three subjects but

for human neurosurgery that's not a

terrible subject number

the area that all three of them

preferred vastly over the other areas to

be stimulated evoked the sense of anger

and frustration really yeah people like

to be angry which is why Twitter is so

popular yeah and to some extent

Instagram and I don't know sure but

Twitter's the one the most because it's

mostly just talking or mostly just text

Instagram is photographs and you could

just I don't comment on people's photo

very very rarely I might have commented

on photos 12 times in my life you know

just a friend like that's awesome way to

go something nice but uh I don't even

read comments but I look at pictures I

go oh that's cool oh look at that video

that's [ __ ] crazy give a little tap

double tap give you a little heart give

you a little love and they move on about

my day but in Twitter I'm constantly

just engaging with people's thoughts and

arguments and debates and that's why I

think Twitter is the most addictive of

all the social media Platforms in terms

of Engagement but not as addictive as

Tik Tok in terms of um it compels you to

continue to watch I want to keep going

with this but I have to pee so bad I I

did the sauna before we got here and I

drank 64 liters of water so or 64 ounces

rather all right we'll be right back we

were uh at people like to get angry and

you were saying that you had uh another

urge to take another sniff of these

smelling salts so I'm observing

something interesting about the smelling

salts like it's definitely like hits

hard and then feel really good

afterwards you can feel it in your body

feel it in my body and then I noticed

there's kind of a a hunger for it right

like another hit yeah like maybe in 20

minutes or so just like a cocaine thing

oh allegedly I've never tried C me

neither good for you um but that's what

I hear yeah wonder I doubt that hits the

dopamine circuit but a little valuable

science tidbit we hear so much about

dopamine adrenaline look they three

molecules they're called the catacol

amines dopamine epinephrine adrenaline

and norepinephrine noradrenaline and

they are actually bi some are

biochemical derivatives of others and

they are cousins they work like a little

uh like a little clan of molecules to

raise alertness and focus and drive I

think the great Robert spolski said it

best he said dopamine is not about the

of pleasure it's about the pleasure of

pursuit that makes sense that's why he's

Robert spolski yeah it's all about the

journey it's right so you combine

motivation with adrenaline which gets

your body in a position to move better

and noradrenaline which kind of works in

between those two it's a little more

complicated not worth going into but

they work as kind of like a a gang of

three to raise alertness directional

motivation and go and so I wouldn't be

surprised if there was a little bit of a

dopaminergic aspect to those smelling

salts i' have to look it up and see but

I certainly like it it feels good it

feels good everybody likes it weird and

I and I I like you know that's why I've

never tried cocaine or amphetamine like

I I like up States as they call them me

too same thing I've never tried Aderall

either but I've been tempted oh people

tell me about like Jesus I've never

tried it um organized what I'm trying to

think of that there's some you know

there was a chart out on Twitter we were

just talking about Twitter where um all

the different neut Tropics or let's not

call them smart drugs but things that

can enhance alertness things like Alpha

GPC as you know 600 milligrams Alpha GPC

I don't care who it is that's like

where's the double blind Place

controlled study that shows it raises

alertness and focus look as much as I

believe in science you don't need a

double blind placeo control study to

know that swift kick in the shin hurts

and that 600 milligrams of alpha GPC is

going to make you more alert is it we

did double blind placeo control studies

for Alpha Brain right right and so they

exist and and certainly that's one that

I would put kind of high on the tier

things for if you want alertness and

focus it's certainly more benign than a

lot of prescription drugs that create Al

is also really effective for that too

and I don't know how many studies there

are on that not as many theanine takes

away the Jitters um like 100 to 200

milligrams of theanine will take away

the Jitters associated with stimulant

which is why it's now in a lot of energy

drinks so you'll see Alpha GPC theanine

sometimes El tyrosine which is a

precursor to dopamine but there were a

couple of things on that list including

prescription drugs like modafanil for

instance which was originally designed

for the treatment of narcolepsy was it

designed for that or was it designed as

a performance-enhancing drug but they

needed a way to prescribe it both okay

yeah so it for the treatment of

narcolepsy it also has been shown to

improve alertness and cognitive function

in sleep deprived individuals so you can

imagine military finding that very

useful that's new vigil and Prov vigil

right uh correct I took that stuff for a

while I was taking it and you know what

I would really like to take it like say

if I had a gig in San Diego and I was

done with my gig at like 11:00 I was

like I want to go home I don't want to

stay in the hotel [ __ ] it let me drive

home and if I would drive home there'd

be that risk of the the Sleep coming on

because of the there's a weird thing

about being on the highway about those

lines they [ __ ] hypnotize you oh yeah

it's really weird yeah and the yeah and

so for anybody out here listen to this

cuz this my manager told me this it's

really important if you think you're

going to fall asleep there's a great way

to mitigate it that's p pain free get a

rag like a washcloth and some ice and

some water and have like a little thing

next to you with a cold wet rag and just

wipe that rag on your face and then

you're good for like five more minutes

reach in there start oh man I'm can't

sleep again wipe that rag on your face

you wake right up this is a great one

this is a great one and it fits right in

with what Matt Walker says to do the

opposite to fall asleep will you wash

your face with warm water take a hot

shower I go in the sauna or go in the

sauna everyone says well you're heating

up your body you need to cool cool down

to fall asleep but you heat up the

surface of your body and the medial

preoptic area of your hypothalamus which

is your brain's thermostat says Hey the

surface of the body is heating up what

should I do cool down my core

temperature and that puts you to sleep

would it be bad to do sauna and then

cold plunge and then try to go to sleep

I do that if I'm late in the day and I'm

tired it's not a problem but I end with

kind of a warish shower if I want to be

alert I end on cold if I want to go to

sleep I end with warm which is why I

start the day with cold to wake up and

when you get in the cold the surface of

the body gets cold that's kind of a a

no-brainer and the core body temperature

goes up because the medial preoptic area

your brain's thermostat says wait the

surface of the body is cooling down I'm

going to heat up and waking up in the

morning is largely the consequence of

body temperature going up so why do you

wake up more quickly in the cold well

body temperature goes up more quickly

also big shot of adrenaline from cold

water nobody escapes the adrenaline from

cold water at least upon getting in as

long as it's cold enough and last time

you picked on me about how warm I'm

keeping my ice bath can't even be called

an ice bath so my cold plunge is now set

at mid-40s that's better getting better

uh but I still go into the sauna at 210

220 by the way I don't know if I'm right

uh I'm probably wrong um my wife doesn't

want she wants to get a second cold

punch cuz she doesn't like how cold mine

is cuz mine has ice in it yeah you're

probably in the 30s yeah it's 34 yeah

it's [ __ ] cold as [ __ ] beast mode

kind of I've got a new one that I got

from morasco for we have two so we have

one here at the gym that's a blue cube

that's this one's insane because you can

crank it and uh you turn up the knob and

it'll be like a flowing raging River oh

well and the flow breaks up the thermal

layer on the outside of your body when

you're sitting in the cold plunge I

always say those stoic things where

people are in the cold plunge real still

looking tough tell that person to sift

their arms around let that cold water

get in your armpits well what's

happening is you're breaking up the

thermal layer that keeps you a little

bit warmer this is why we huddle in

there cuz it's not like you're making

yourself like it's not like you're

wearing a it if you move or if the water

is moving much more effective it's

painful for me to just check my watch to

see how much time I got left sucks yeah

I have a system now if I count slowly to

10 two times so I count to 20 and I know

exactly how long my breath is for it to

be 3 minutes I know how to do it so I do

it now that's awesome it's a little

cheating cheating man I can't believe

I'm going to admit this publicly you

know what I do I got two little rubber

duckies in there one's a tougher look

rubber ducky and his name is Rogan I'm

not kidding I shot a video of this I'll

send it to you my producers going to

kill me but then there's another one and

that's huberman and it's you basically

teasing me about what a wuss I am and I

do that for the entire time I'm in the

cold plunge so I forget that I'm in the

cold plunge and then at the end you go

okay you can get out now and I'm like

okay well here's what it is I don't know

if the cold is any it's if it's any

better to be 34° or if it's any better

to be 45° or 50° but what I do know is

that I don't like 34 degrees so that's

why I do it because if I feel like I can

get away with making it a little bit

easier I feel like a [ __ ] so that's why

I do it as cold as it can get before it

freezes solid which is seems to be 34

degrees well this gets to something that

uh I know we've talked a little bit

about before uh offline not on

microphone which is doing hard things

translates to an ability to do hard

things and probably translates provid it

doesn't kill you to a longer life and

you've explained that that there's

actually a part of your brain that grows

there so there's a brain area that most

neuroscientists aren't aware of called

the anterior mid singulate cortex okay

scientists who are in the know know

about it it's you know I teach her

Anatomy medical students at Stanford

it's an area that we cover in passing

but there are a lot of brain areas you

got to get you can't get to everything

but in the last couple of years there

have been studies of this area the

anterior mid singulate cortex that make

it super important for everybody to know

about not just neuroscientists and

here's the deal colleague of minet stand

for Joe parvis he's a neurosurgeon he's

in there stimulating different brain

areas including anterior mid singulate

cortex and areas near it inuman patients

while they're awake preparing them for

neurosurgery for other reasons

stimulates anterior mid singulate cortex

and what do all people who have their

anterior mid singulate cortex

report they feel like there's something

about to happen something's kind of

looming a challenge a storm somewhere

reported as a storm or a physical

challenge but their overall sensation is

one that they want to lean into it they

want to chck challenge it now this

area's subsequently been imaged in

people who are successful dieters it

grows larger in people that fail at a

dieting or or nutrition program it gets

smaller people that Embrace a new form

of exercise and here's the key point

that they don't want to do this area

gets bigger people that are just doing

things that they enjoy doing does not

change in shape or size now here's where

it gets even more interesting the

anterior mid singulate cortex is larger

in volume in a group of people called

superagers okay that's a bit of misnomer

because it implies they age faster they

actually age more slowly as it relates

to cognitive decline the slope of

cognitive decline is not as steep in

these people meaning they're holding on

to cognitive abilities longer than other

people into older age and the universal

quality among these superagers is not

just a larger anter mid singulate cortex

but that they challenge themselves to do

things that are challenging and they

kind of don't want to do or really don't

want to do so when we hear oh you know

people should do crossword puzzles to

maintain their memory probably good to

keep some cognitive flexibility going

but if you love crossword puzzles you're

not going to grow your anid singulate

cortex if you love 45° in the cold

plunge after an hourong run in the Hills

which I do probably not going to do much

to grow this area if you really don't

want to do something and you do it this

area gets bigger and it's got inputs and

outputs from all of these different

brain areas that make all of this make

sense like the dopamine system like the

learning and memory system like the

areas of the brain that say no I'm going

to retreat from that it's aversive but

you push yourself to do something that

you don't want to do this area gets

bigger and the best part is it

translates to an ability to do harder

things elsewhere this to me I get

obviously super excited about because

it's nested in human data and animal

data in real world examples of dieting

and exercise and aging and Longevity and

all of that and it speaks to much of

what you've talked about on this podcast

for years and years which is do hard

things it will give you an ability to do

other hard things but if you love doing

deadlifts honestly even sets to failure

on those deadlifts enjoy them benefit

from them all the wonderful things that

come with doing deadlifts great but you

should probably also do something that

you don't enjoy doing if you have an

interest in the kind of benefits that

we're talking about well it completely

makes sense that your brain would have

to develop an ability to continue to do

difficult things and you that that

ability to not hesitate and push through

the ability to not procrastinate and go

forward and that that thing is probably

like all things it's like cardiovascular

endurance muscular endurance like

develop an ability to do more of it

because of that right because your brain

recognizes this is something that we're

going to have to deal with let's figure

out how to respond to this right and

movement itself like physical movement

or cognitive movement if you're learning

new things like comedy preparing new

things or learning poetry or drawing

like I used to draw a lot started

drawing again carry around this notebook

everywhere I'm not going to show the

drawings they're just for me but pushing

myself to do something that I enjoy but

that like there's a barrier there are

you any good I mean I do anatomical

drawings let me see what you got you got

a lot of dicks in there is like super

bad I think here super these are just my

one my favorite this is my my journal

book notes but my um I but I've actually

um I used to post my drawings on

Instagram that's how I started really in

2019 I wasn't thinking about having a

podcast I was just posting pictures of

the retina talking about the when did we

meet so 2019 I started posting on

Instagram 2020 I came on this podcast

for the first time okay but you were in

La at that time right right and um yeah

and then I went on Lex's podcast a

little bit later and then he goes you

should start a podcast so I started

January 21 yeah okay so here's some oh

wow pretty good they're not great

they're just for fun they're just for

fun they're just for fun not bad at all

but I I like to use them to teach so

they're not listen I'm I'm no Da Vinci

but dude that's pretty [ __ ] good

actually but the point I'm obsessed with

this thing that somewhere between

perfect accuracy and total

representation of biology like a brain

or a set of cells and at the other end

of the continum like ball and stick

there's like a perfect sweet spot for

teaching and so what I'm doing there is

what I do in the classroom I go okay

listen we're going to talk about how

muscle releases a micr RNA that helps

you burn fat and then I kind of remind

people like there's fat there's a you

know so I don't want too much detail but

I don't want too little detail that's

good like the the anatomy of the hand is

dead on that's really good so I'm trying

I'm trying no that's really good and of

course that's not anatomically correct

like the nerves don't spit out of the

tip of the finger right but when you're

trying to teach

ey dude that's good eye yeah that's

really good you like I'm just trying I'm

not again I'm not trying to be da Vinci

I just want people to learn the

information so one of my daughters is

insanely good oh yeah well I wanted to

be a comic book illustrator when I was

young and I I always wonder like how

much of talent gets passed on to kids

it's hard to separate nature and nurture

there but honestly I think there's

something there there's something there

because there's certain people that like

uh if their parent was a singer like but

then you go well maybe they were singing

around the house a lot when they were

growing up um people are going to think

I'm weird for saying this but I don't

care um I am weird I'm going to say it

anyway sches the way he moves like how

lith he ish and his parents are like

dancers and performers right right right

also he's a good boxer is he really yeah

yeah like just his movements are so

atypical and like he's he's like it's

it's like watching him is is cool like

he looks cool the way he moves he's free

yeah and there's skateboarder named

Jimmy Wilkins who's like breaking every

barrier on skateboarding and his he

actually uses his knees to contact the

board and move the board while his hands

are free and he's a smaller guy real

small real Li super loose ankles and I

said to him like what do your parents do

and he goes my mom's a ballerina and my

dad's an Orchestra conductor oh this

guy's using his knees on the board so

like he does everything not everything

but he does a lot of things handsfree at

Mock speed for people in skateboarding

they probably just want to see flips and

900 varials and that stuff's cool but he

makes everything look so good I mean

Jimmy for those that are in the no Jimmy

Wilkins is the next is like the next

like Tony will say Tony Hawk everyone

will say like watching Jimmy look see

the the the whole thing here is that

Jimmy's skateboarding is like perfect

poetry like so the reason but so his

back knee is often used to stabilize the

board MH cuz he's got that hip looseness

that you were talking about earlier and

and so his yeah he's he's doing that's

incredible he won X Games last year not

this year this year he took third so

those guys get banged up though those

guys get a lot of concussions yeah he's

big on the the nicotine I'm trying to

get him to quit the nicotine so he uh

cuz he loves the nicotine but between

why you getting him to quit um like I

don't have a problem with people taking

nicotine pouches but it is it's a

vasoconstrictor raises blood pressure as

long as you're healthy in other ways I

just think that I see people go from

like one pouch to a canister a day oh

yeah

they they ramp up the dosage too I like

threes like mild three milligram but I

Lucy sent me some that are twelves Jesus

lisus I can do like half a piece of

Nicorette I put that the 12 in my mouth

for like 30 seconds and my body's like

get it out of here that's a lot I mean

it seems like you're good at keeping

things in that useful but not excessive

domain yes well I'm a control freak in

that way I I want to be inol I don't

ever want to be out of control like I've

never been addicted to a sub other than

coffee I guess but I've I've taken time

off of coffee too just cuz I know that I

like it too much but coffee doesn't

overwhelm me right so if I felt like

coffee was overwhelming me or if it was

difficult to acquire or illegal I

probably would quit coffee I'll chuggle

but at the rate the world's going it's

probably going to be illegal well it's

it's always good the reason why coffee

is legal and is the reason why they

created meth really because it's good

for productivity like coffee keeps you

from getting tired it's good for

productivity it's also enjoyable people

like a warm liquid I love and and since

I really got into coffee from doing this

podcast really um I drink it black I

like coffee I like the taste I look

forward to it I have one every morning I

look I I like it but I love it in the

afternoon but if I thought it was

[ __ ] with my life 100% I would quit

yeah you know I mean I've had times in

my life where I was drinking too much

where mostly because of Comedy CU at

nights you're out with your boys and

everybody wants to drink they're all

drinking my my friends are all drunks

like

a good solid doesn't drink no Whitney

does not drink but a good solid

percentage of my friends drink a lot

they they drink all the time they drink

at clubs like get ber to quit Bert is

not going to quit well he asked me to

help him he doesn't he just wants you to

talk to him just talk about Bert that's

what he want but that's what he wants

let's talk about me let's talk about me

about how I have to quit Come on talk to

me about me let's make it all about Bert

that's what Bert likes he's not going to

quit well he was doing better with his

health and then he posted that photo of

himself self in the wet suit mhm come on

Bert like get with it did he get fat

again he he sent me a picture the other

day he was all skinny is he lying no he

looking more like a melted candle son of

a [ __ ] he he got big at least he got

jacked he started lifting weights I feel

bad making fun of him but I'm not making

fun of him I'm just worried you talking

about I'm just worried about his health

oh yeah that's not good Bert I'm worried

about your health well the thing is Bert

is uh on tour right he's got painted

toenails too what the [ __ ] are you doing

he uh he's on tour so he's on this uh

fully loaded tour he's doing all these

Arenas with all these friends and

they're doing activities constantly they

go to water parks I don't know if they

go to water parks you know [ __ ] like

that or something they do that too but

he gets drunk every night and it's not

just like a little bit of beer it's a

lot of beer it's a lot of they have a

vodka company now that's not good now

they have their own vodka so he's drink

saying everybody loves a young drunk But

as time goes on it does not look pretty

yes but there's curve when it comes back

around again you see a 90-year-old guy

that's hammered that guy's fun oh like

then they're they're wild again you know

a 90-year-old guy with like a [ __ ]

straw hat on and a gun he's

drunk yeah I must say like HR Thompson

when he was before he died oh man I must

say I thoroughly enjoyed your uh com

your Live Comedy onx thank you very much

watch it three times thank you that's

another that so that one was another

example of doing something I didn't want

to do cuz uh they offered me to do it

live and I was like [ __ ] that like I

want to be able to edit mistakes out I

want to have you know have four shows

and pick the best one and do that I

don't want to do it [ __ ] live that's

C who [ __ ] needs that pressure it was

so good I watched the first one with my

girlfriend we watched it as it was

happening then I watched it with my

friend Tim out when he was out he's out

on tour um like Green Day rants all

these 90 band SM 90s bands Smashing

Pumpkins are out on tour like stadiums

with 990,000 people C it's crazy it's

crazy I went out cuz I like you know big

rancid fan and I like the other guys too

but I'm a big big ranid fan I was like

holy cow like people love this stuff

again anyway we watched it again there

and then I've watched it again uh I will

say it felt very cathartic to me I don't

know how it felt for you but it felt

really cathartic oh the subject matter

the subject matter and also like the

next day was pure like delight and just

baffled and shocked all at the same time

when on Twitter I see a clip taken

completely out of context

about a bit about taking things out of

context it's like life had like looped

back on itself you were talking about

things being taken out of context and

they were taking it out of context they

had like cut it and I was like wait wait

wait I remember that very differently

cuz I remember things I hear pretty well

and I was like went back and I was like

wait he's talking about things being

taken out of context and they're taking

it out of context yeah they don't care

but there's always some people that just

they're not this is not in good faith

everything they're doing is just trying

to find something wrong with everything

you're doing and it's usually people

that life their life is a mess there's

no one who does that who is a healthy

accomplished person who has great

relationships in their life and is doing

really well at some skill or chosen

profession that they enjoy very much

right they're not fulfilled people are

trying to politicize something or or

they're trying to get clicks off your

name there's a lot of that for sure so

there's a business in that and then

there's also people that are doing like

MSNBC did this recently and uh there's

they this has gotten so popular that my

[ __ ] stepdad contacted me to tell me

he's happy that I'm suing

MSNBC I'm like I'm not suing MSNBC but

this is what MSNBC did they took a clip

of me talking about tulsy gabard and

they edited it up and made it look like

I was saying great things about KLA

Harris wait what yeah they the I mean

you and I have been mashed up on other

stuff and Ai and I don't want to like

you said we don't want to draw attention

that that they got taken off the

internet thank goodness but it was

[ __ ] it was like it was Ai and and

mashup they did that about politics yes

they did it about politics but they

didn't do it like AI they just

deceptively edited the things that I was

saying took it completely out of context

where I was talking about first of all I

was talking about telsey gab and then I

was talking about that the media behind

KLA Harris all this Surge and all these

people deciding that she's good she

could win and they put the two of those

together and made it seem like I was

praising KLA Harris and saying a bunch

of things that aren't even true about

her like I was talking about tulsy

gabard being a congresswoman for eight

years and about how she served

overseas two deployments in medical

units dealing with people who are blown

up from the war like that's not

something KLA Harris did it's something

Tulsi gabber did I was just saying

things about her and they put it out

there as a clip of me praising K Harris

but they don't care about the truth they

just want of a a narrative to get out

there amongst enough people cuz most

people are just surface readers right

they read a headline and I'd be guilty

of that many times you read a headline

oh I know what that is and then you shut

your laptop I got it now I got I got the

whole the so if you read an article that

says you know Andrew Schultz is a liar

like oh he's a liar I heard he's a liar

and then you just start repeating he's a

liar it doesn't have to be real and so

all they have to do with so like how

many people are actually going to watch

my Netflix special well was a lot but

compared to the amount of people in the

country not a lot you know small

percentage so all you have to do is take

something out of context from someone

who's never going to watch it in the

first place put it in front of them like

oh that piece of [ __ ] can't believe he

said that even though I'm literally

talking about things being taken out of

context the part about this is so

frustrating to me is that like at some

point especially as a scientist right

like that's data selection right like if

you look at data and like and you look

at scientific experimentation starts

with a question you generate a

hypothesis you collect data you publish

the results and you get to State your

conclusions now now let's talk about

what you're talking about in the world

of science you I don't think there's a

lot of outright data fraud but a lot of

experiments that don't work people come

up with excuses to eliminate but there

is some data fraud right oh there

certainly is some data fraud Amed

plaques thing with there there's

certainly some data fraud and and

there's a range of of underlying reasons

one of the more common reasons that

people don't talk about which is

something to really strongly inoculate

in laboratory

against is when a laboratory is known

for doing very very good work often

times The Graduate students and postto

that get there that go there feel like

they need to give the boss the result so

sometimes it's unbeknownst to the person