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after yesterday after the last few weeks
I'm sure Danny shares that for you Danny
Blanchard joins us now the Dartmouth
professor and former member of the bank
of England monetary policy committee
Danny the bank of England inflation year
over year double digits people looking
for a rate hike do you think that's the
wrong move today
well I do as you might imagine
um I guess some news yesterday which was
uh inflation Rose more than folks think
but that's gone that's passed we're
supposed to be focusing on what's coming
there's a major credit Crunch and the
bank and the reality is that the bank of
England in its forecasts is forecasting
no growth whatsoever for three years
inflation below the Target and we've
just had a huge fiscal tightening so
basically guys assume they're going to
raise everyone thinks they will and what
we're going to sit and watch here is
disaster coming
um feels like 2008 all over again who's
holding what bad stuff presumably in the
UK with the mortgage markets now in
disarray we're going to start to see
Banks holding bad um Bad Mortgages if
you like that people can't afford to pay
so I think this is the peak this is a
huge mistake I would have been voted for
big rate cuts and what you'll see in the
United States and the UK is disastrous
data will show and central banks will
then move into panic mode as the markets
are pricing in already
Danny 25 is the wrong move so let's talk
about the Federal Reserve was that the
wrong move yesterday
well I think so too I mean we're seeing
inflation now clearly has peaked I mean
the question is to what extent is this
credit crunch a big deal I mean our pal
toast and Slot thinks that it's the
equivalent of about 150 basis points of
tightening that's probably true so this
is a new set of tightening over where we
were the FED has actually been entirely
guessing there is no economics to base
their claims that this would be a soft
Landing so you keep going and you keep
going but outcomes come about 18 months
later so the question is what what is
there out there that we don't know and
the new reported so well on Credit
Suisse and the 9 billion that UBS had to
receive to kind of make up for what's
hidden under the hood that we didn't
know so at these times you should be
cautious as to what's coming on the
downside it's hot I think the only
question is how bad is it going to be so
this looks like a wing and a prayer
we're going to carry on raising rates
well let's wait for some some data to
come and my assumption is that it will
start to come I mean the markets thinks
it's going to come I mean Howard says
you know maybe we'll raise rates but
look at look at the FED watch until
series fed watch talk says markets are
pricing in three cuts by the end of the
year so why would you raise when the
markets think you're going to cut so
we're in confusion we're absolutely in
confusion and it really feels like 2008
you know in the UK we've rescued
Northern Rock thought that that would
solve everything what happened was
Bradford and being the alliance unless
they failed RBS fell all about the six
to nine months later so watch this space
this was an error shouldn't have done it
there is no economic basis for anything
that they're doing and the real economy
is what's going to matter and wage
growth is a big deal that's not picked
up in the way that they thought but
really the real economy I have to cut it
so wrong because a lot of people are
listening to what you're saying and
saying really like 2008 Banks aren't as
leveraged at all what you're dealing
with is a liquidity crunch not a credit
Crunch at least not yet and you're
talking about assets that are backed by
sound loans not necessarily Mortgage
Debt that was taken out by somebody with
no income and who put nothing down so
this is a very different kind of
scenario than it was in 2008 how do you
push back against that
every credit crisis and every housing
booth for example the standard thing
that everybody says is this times
different for a variety of reasons this
time is different it simply can't happen
again I mean it's about it's not just
about that Lisa I think it's about
confidence remember it's about
confidence that the banks are whole it's
about confidence that my deposits are
safe and Janet Kellen I think made a
huge error yesterday I mean her error is
actually answering the question so now
we think are you you have a million
dollars in some Regional Bank what
should you do well obviously you should
pull that money up it's not guaranteed
then you should pull it out and take it
to Bank of America so that looks like
that right but it's about confidence
Lisa and each time in the history of the
history of crises everyone says this
time is different and I think the other
thing is that I mean you guys have
reported on it what what would you what
did UBS see under that hood that we
don't know about so I think that's a
great deal of it I mean remember as I
say in 2008 who would have thought in
August 2008 yeah that RBS would fail two
months later I think you know I think
it's these kinds of surprises let's put
the uh wrong of course I think you have
to be mindful credit crunch but let's
put the banking crisis aside for one
second the no no no no unknowns unknowns
whatever you want to call them and just
take a look at what the data was showing
before this particular meeting this sort
of perhaps backward looking but hotter
than expected inflation data that was
persisting in the U.S as well as in the
UK and other European nations from your
perspective have you been surprised by
how sticky inflation has been how long
it has taken to show signs of coming
down does that get you concerned at all
about where we're heading in terms of
fed policy being used as a tool for
financial the way she said just like get
you concerned at all sounded like she
was asking him does that get you excited
at all obviously because there are shops
in the UK context there's shocks imposed
by brexit but again go to August 2008
what you've said was essentially what
people said then in August inflation was
five and a half percent within nine
months it had gone to deflation and what
we're seeing in the United States is
those base effects are dropping out
certainly if you look at the uh the
unseasonably adjusted inflation numbers
they're really very very low I mean a
lot of actually what you're seeing is
about this weird technical thing about
the seasonal adjusting so really what
we're talking about is inflation's high
because of the way they've seasonally
adjusted using new methods so I think
the answer is that look at the way look
at the wages wages are not picked up in
the way that people thought wage growth
has been relatively benign I mean it's
hard to read the data Lisa I mean it's
as if people think we have a nice
Playbook we have never seen anything
like this other than the Great Recession
every piece of data since 1945 yeah
today is utterly irrelevant we have to
look at other prices and what you'll see
is then suddenly different inflation
plummet so I think that's what's called
Danny I've got to squeeze this in just
60 seconds left if they came out and
offered blanket Deposit Insurance would
your view change
probably would actually I mean I think
in a sense the answer then uh John is
that what wouldn't the bank of England
and the Bank of Canada and the ECP have
to do the same but I do think that the
blanket Deposit Insurance would really
be a help certainly think that Danny
thank you sir for catching up with us
Danny okay that was awesome let's break
that down because there is a lot of
information in that this guy like this
is a top G right here and I don't mean
like a top G like somebody who's stuck
in jail I mean like a finance type G
okay so basically an old white guy okay
so what what do we have well look at
this so first of all this is the
inflation that Jerome Powell was talking
about yesterday unfortunately during the
intra meeting period coming in a little
hotter than expected and really this
idea is that if you look at averages
over the last year yes inflation is
trending down that's fantastic if you
look at average pages of over the last
say six months okay yeah inflation also
oops let's go ahead and make the line
actually go the way there we go it's
also trending down that's fantastic in
fact the way you would probably draw
this average is something more like this
since these low points right here would
drag the line down right so that's
probably more of the moving average that
you're looking at right now the problem
is this this little pickup that we got
right here why if we now look at just
the last four months are we trending up
on uh basically core CPI on a month over
month basis right and this is what's
creating some concern for John Powell no
I think this individual makes a very
good argument is that Jerome Powell is
so concerned about what the CPI and pce
numbers are showing pce is the fed's
preferred method of CPI it's basically
the same thing a little different with
weightings but they rely so heavily on
these uh seasonal adjustments and their
weightings are based on some weird
things the weightings used to be based
on an average of two years of data now
they're based on one year of data then
at the end of every year we change the
weightings everything's a complete
disaster everything completely changes
right so uh what's remarkable about that
is you have this individual suggesting
Jerome Powell's convincing fight against
inflation is what's probably going to
destroy our economy now that means
recession In fairness Jerome Powell kind
of alluded to us walking into a
recession yesterday in fact I would go
as far as saying Jerome Powell basically
yesterday told us the recessions
confirmed folks buckle up there are a
few reasons for that number one Jerome
power when asked about out the soft
Landing basically said yeah there's a
path we're trying to find it but
basically it's not happening we're going
into a recession so Jerome Powell
realizes we're going into recession
beyond that look at this chart right
here this chart
shows Jerome Powell's front end of the
yield curve it is called Jerome Powell's
favored recession indicator and based on
this it has always been correct in the
past
we are going into recession when this
sucker inverts a recession follows
within 18 months and Jerome Powell
realizes that now obviously markets
change their opinion of what's going to
happen with either rate Cuts or rate
hikes Based on data for example there's
somebody in the chat here saying Kevin
you initially thought 2023 rate Cuts
would happen then you said they wouldn't
as market price no Cuts okay you have to
remember when I'm reporting whether rate
cuts are coming in 23 or not it's based
on what the bond market is telling you
in fact I provide you uh the data of
what the bond market is showing you and
showing you the charts saying hey this
is what the Market's pricing in right
now the market is pricing in 100 basis
points of rate cuts for 2023. this is
the same thing that was true in November
of 2022 the problem was in January and
February all of those rate Cuts went
away because inflation started running
up then we had a bank thinking crisis
and then the freight Cuts got priced in
again so like you have to be careful how
you how you analyze this data I I either
I want to make it clear to the people
watching that
whether we're having price Cuts uh or
rate Cuts this year is kind of like
watching a stock move one day it's right
one day it's green this stuff is
changing every single day and what we're
trying to do is pay attention to what's
going on because there is a really weird
Gap right now between expectations of
what the Federal Reserve is going to do
uh and uh expectations based on what the
bond market thinks look at this
particular chart right here okay on the
right side you have these little dots
I'm going to highlight them in green
this right here
in green at the top over five percent
five point one percent is where the FED
thinks we're going to end up having fed
policy uh policy rates for the end of
the year right that's where they think
we're going to be at the end of the year
well look at where they think we're
going to be next year I'll highlight it
in pink right here right there at about
4.6 fantastic well what is the market
pricing in for a terminal rate that is
the highest rate we're going to get to
well the market is pricing in that we're
going to be somewhere around
uh uh by the end of the year
3.94 by the end of the year well that's
very different that's actually
substantially lower than both of the
dots provided by the fed well why is
that well it's because the bond market
is trying to price in this idea that
crap we're probably going to go into a
recession now at the same time as we're
probably going to go into a recession
and even Jerome Powell's indicator
suggests we're going into recession the
reality is Jerome Powell basically has
to be dishonest to us this is what this
guy was saying the guy was saying Janet
Yellen crashed the market yesterday
because she was honest look at this uh
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look at this
this chart when Janet Yellen was talking
uh is basically what crash the market
because like this guy says she was
honest so look at where we are here here
we had that classic W shape of Jerome
Powell this is what happens the market
goes up when the press conference comes
out the statement comes out rather so
the the data comes out the statement
comes out the market uh actually Rises
so it goes up after it goes up it comes
down a little bit uh then it comes up
going into the presser then it goes down
and then it tends to close up we tend to
have a w shape
unfortunately Janet Yellen came out and
said the truth that no we're not
backstopping Banks and markets cratered
after that I mean the last 15 minutes of
the day yesterday were a complete
disaster while Jenny healing was
testifying uh and so the individual we
just saw in the interview he's like look
Janet Yellen
said the truth what's the truth well the
truth is simple and the truth hurts but
it's very simple
no backstop of all deposits that's what
Janet Yellen said and this is the first
time we've really had this split screen
event where you have Janet Yellen
talking at the same time as Powell and
they didn't have a phone call first to
discuss being on the same page because
Powell comes out and says your deposits
are safe and then he's asked about it
are you sure and he says all I'm going
to say is your deposits are safe we have
the tools
Jenny Ellen's like nah we're not going
to extend FDIC and so what did this
former guy from the bank of England say
dude in that case
go to Bank of America like basically get
out of the small Banks and go to the big
Banks it totally makes sense especially
if you have more than the FDIC limit
right of course but that's what we've
been talking about for quite a while now
that's just the way the game is played
oh and so that created some stress in
markets yesterday but I actually agree
with the individual
that we are likely to see inflation
plummet every leading indicator I look
at leading indicator not this lagging
crap of these reports but I'm talking
company earnings companies forecast for
hiring what sentiment is on the ground
what business owners are doing in
regards to hiring the availability of
Labor not the stupid joltz data survey
that says oh there are all these job
openings bullcrap man talk to people how
many remote job opportunities are there
they're dwindling how many opportunities
are there for getting jobs at tech
companies very few uh how much
competition is there for tech jobs
massive how many applications did
cloudflare get last year for 1300 job
openings four hundred thousand there is
a glut of Labor Supply that's why you're
seeing so much extra driver availability
at Lyft and Uber the likes of which we
haven't seen before and it's leading to
a reduction in in uh earnings for
companies like uber because you have no
more Peak pricing because there's no p
like so it's kind of remarkable the the
availability of Labor Supply that you're
seeing that's deflationary uh as is
obviously autonomy and Automation and
and other leading uh factors we're
seeing by the way and this is just sort
of a side rant what the hell Airbnb you
want to rent an Airbnb for like 250 a
night because it's like oh the hotel's
250 a night the Airbnb is 250 and I then
when you get to checkout it's like the
250 turns into like 600. it's insane oh
my God the amount of extra fees that are
added on now are just absolutely
ludicrous I feel like rather than paying
for like a room tidy up I'm literally
paying for house cleaners to do a deep
cleaning of the entire house it's insane
but anyway uh back to this uh what this
individual says he's totally right to
say look we're probably walking right
into a recession and uh and and the fact
of the matter is
I think the easiest thing you could do
is look at drone Powell's response to a
question like this one I think this this
was a good question watch this response
right here from j-pal uh and uh any
totally Dodges the guy when the guy's
like are you just basically giving us
another false sense of hopium uh listen
in here
um you know that's just something that
we'll have to come through through
softening demand and perhaps some
softening in labor market conditions we
don't see that yet and that's that's of
course 56 percent of the index so the
story is pretty much the same I will say
that the inflation data that we got to
your point really pointed to Stronger
inflation if I could follow up on that I
was curious why you don't see more
coming from the credit crunch because it
seems to me that's something that you'd
actually uh welcome to a degree and uh
expect
um and are you not seeing more coming
from that because you don't know or
because you just don't want to have
another round of wishful thinking so
it's it's kind of interesting here
another round of Wishful Thinking uh so
so in other words
uh as sort of making this argument of
here hey like J J Powell uh you know why
why don't you think this credit crunch
is going to hurt us more do you really
think you can make an excuse that's
going to say oh our Market's not going
to crash because you think inflation is
slightly still trending up and now we're
going to have this wishful thinking that
we could continue to hike and damage
this economy and push us into a deep
procession uh because you had an
inflation report that showed 0.04 or 0.4
percent month over month inflation come
on Jay pal like you're losing the plot
the credit tightening that we're going
to see could be as painful as a one and
a half percent uh a rate hike at least
according to TS Lombard they think that
could be anywhere between 0.75 to 1.5
percent that means we're knocking on the
door of of six percent interest rates
here that's insane of course Jay
Powell's response it's really just a
question of not knowing at this point
there's exactly
great deal of literature on the
connection between tighter credit
conditions economic activity hiring and
inflation very large body of literature
the question is how significant will
this credit tightening be and how how
sustainable it be that's that's the
issue and we don't really see it yet
it's so so people are making estimates
you know people are publishing estimates
and it's but it's very kind of rule of
thumb uh guesswork almost at this point
but we think it's it's potentially quite
real and that argues for you know being
alert as we go forward as we think about
for the right hikes for us we'll be
paying attention to the actual and all
right we'll be paying attention Okay so
you kind of get it it's basically like
yeah we don't know we don't know okay
but we already know that so um now
here's here's another thing uh that a
couple couple things that are
interesting so I want to address this
one comment here about uh lower wage
workers seeing wage hikes uh and there's
this comment here about cleaners uh but
first I want to respond to this person
so this person's name whose looks like
gag uh it's either two boobs and a four
in between or or it's gag or her name I
don't know who this is but anyway this
person says friends don't make you pay
for information a friend shares
information that could change your life
Kevin is not your friend he could share
this info on YouTube freely his videos
for an advertisement
wow
so let's break this down
first of all how many YouTube videos are
on my channel and how many hours of
content are freely shared on my channel
the answer is thousands and tens of
thousands there's thousands of videos
and tens of thousands of hours of
content are available on the channel
so that's a a lot of information is
shared freely on YouTube
the next issue that you didn't address
is the fact that people are willing to
pay for information that isn't available
on YouTube or readily available on
YouTube let me make that clear
the reason I have courses is twofold
number one it organizes information in a
row for you so that way you can actually
understand it and build your information
together like if you watch a a real
estate 101 video and then you go to a
real estate 110 video well now you've
lost context right and that's kind of
what YouTube is it serves you up really
basic and then really complicated you
don't even know what you don't know when
it comes to investing in real estate and
so the beautiful thing in my opinion
about courses is this organized
structure for actually learning a
download of how somebody views the world
and gets perspective in order
and in a way that actually teaches
rather than in a way that gives you
information that potentially is more
scattered right I mean many of you know
I'm a big fan of wedge deals in real
estate many of you know a lot of my
principles uh but that doesn't mean
they've been taught in a way that's
organized that uh that that you can
adapt as easily as you could in a course
now sure can we make videos on that yeah
and but that's what the course is the
course is 40 a lot of the courses are
like 40 hours in a row of that kind of
content I can't make a 40 hour long
YouTube video I can make 41 hour videos
but again the way the algo serves it to
you isn't that good that's a uh and then
B wow how how dare a YouTube content
creator try to make money you know I I
really think this idea that uh oh people
it's it's evil for people to make money
is really stupid I don't know what's
gotten into people's heads in America
lately but there's been this
vilification of capitalism uh it's
really disappointing and and saddening
because capitalism is disinflationary
the fact that you could learn how to be
a millionaire in real estate for for 400
bucks through a course rather than going
to college for four years or you know
and spending 40 Grand uh is is insane
and they don't even teach you that stuff
in college so uh the the capitalism is
so wonderful and we should really be uh
uh you know a proponents of capitalism
and people are making money there are
ways to have win-win products and
services right I think people have this
inherent aversion for some reason of oh
well I won't click that person's link
because they might make money why is
that bad when somebody makes money
they're motivated to continue providing
you a good or service and making it even
better so I I don't know what this this
weird aversion to capitalism is it's
like people who are like oh I don't like
your real estate startup because because
you're going to make housing
unaffordable and I'm like what are you
smoking what makes housing unaffordable
the lack of Rental Supply apply for
renters what is my startup going to do
take houses that are uninhabitable like
hoarding houses or fixer-uppers and
bring them to the market and then
potentially add Casitas so you're going
from zero homes on Market to one to two
to three homes on Market Per property
like the the this vilification of
capitalism and investors is so backwards
and contorted I don't know what's being
taught in schools if it's just a lack of
being taught in schools I think there's
a lack of logic that's being taught in
schools and it's sad it's really sad and
look I'm not saying that you know j-pal
has all the answers or he doesn't have
all the answers he just told you himself
he doesn't have all the answers I'm not
saying I have all the answers but the
critical thinking that's that's missing
in the world today is very sad but going
back to this this hotel comment because
I actually think this is a very
reasonable comment so Tom Baker here
says I'm in the hotel business and it's
next impossible to hire cleaners paying
18 per hour rates for rooms are going up
so this is actually is something that I
think is very important to talk about
when it comes to the topic of inflation
uh and I think it's useful to look at it
uh you know on on screen here
so what I would say is if you go in and
uh basically say that the
typical wage you would pay for uh a
manual laborer is 14 let's say uh and
maybe now you have to pay 18 that is
absolutely inflationary to you that
makes your costs of business go up now
that makes you desire to raise your room
rates but your room rates your 250
dollar per night hotel room is not
predicated on what your costs are that's
not how capitalism Works your room rates
are predicated on demand so if demand
for your rooms go down you have to lower
the price and that means you eat the
difference in costs that then creates a
lower margin business and it's it
basically pushes inefficient businesses
out of the market
now just because Walmart and McDonald's
are raising wages does not mean we have
a wage price spiral after all the
average range wage in America is 32
bucks well if the average wage in
America is 32 bucks even if you see
lower wages go up
and you have more of those you're
actually potentially dragging average
wages down especially if you're losing
higher paid wages right so that's
another aspect to consider when it comes
to inflation what's the best way to ask
for a wage uh I would say wait right now
I mean we have a lot of strategies for
that in the elite Hustlers group but
this is probably the worst time to ask
for a wage because it's such an
uncertain time I think one of the best
things to do right now is make sure you
are invaluable to your your boss now I
get this all the time people are like oh
but does my boss see the value I'm
providing I guarantee you I guarantee it
your immediate supervisor whoever that
is whether that's the owner of the
company your supervisor whatever
sees and knows which workers work the
hardest they know who's sitting on their
phone all day long and who is actually
grinding all day long and those people
who grind will always end up getting
rewarded I'm highly confident of that
our media and schools are corrupted
probably so I start my new career and
job on Monday congratulations uh but but
yeah anyway uh so these are these are
interesting things to keep in mind and I
think it's very interesting uh about uh
what this Bank of England individual
said regarding Jerome Powell I think
he's right you know I think he's
absolutely right that Jerome Powell is
leading us into this tightening cycle
that's going to push us into a an ugly
uh recession sadly uh and it's very
unfortunate uh hopefully that recession
is very shallow because if the recession
is not shallow uh all stocks are going
to get reamed if the recession is
shallow then I can play music for you uh
and uh and and basically uh hope that
pricing power stocks continue to do very
well and uh we move on you know that's
that's the goal so anyway check out
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have it now I've run out of things to
say while my music is playing I'm hoping
to get you know to the end of that music
because I think it's kind of cool
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