The New Hell Crashing the Stock Market.
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oh my gosh s p Global pmis and ISM
services this is a disaster this all
comes after the employment change data
and now we're getting reports that
consumers are starting to flip-flop as
well we had a lot to talk about in this
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listen to this folks ISM Services the
expectation was 54.4 we got 51.2 big
drop on the services index there very
big I mean we were at 55 1
54.4 small drop and then we went boom
off a cliff almost contractionary there
for services remember a number under 50
is contractionary and what does the FED
want to see disinflation in Services
well it's coming but the problem is
how many eps's how many companies
earnings per share are going to get
devastated in the meantime I don't know
that's just the ism Services indicator
now I'm going to give you some examples
of companies in just a moment but ISM
came out along with s p Global Services
today s p Global Services PMI tells us
what we were at 53.8 we were expecting
to be stable at 53.8 no we also missed
52-6 everything came in a little
oopsy-doopsy today mortgage applications
came in worse than expected ADP
employment came in worse than expected
uh we've got the jobs data coming out on
Friday
ah look let's talk about consumers let's
talk about what's going on with
consumption how this could hit EPs and
which companies might start seeing
cutbacks because it's a warning and
these numbers just contribute to that
warning let's go we know consumers make
up over two-thirds of the economy and
one of the things I love paying
attention to is what's happening at the
edges and the fringes what's happening
with poor spending and what's happening
with richer spending because it gives us
an idea of where are people starting to
cut back and there are two areas we're
starting to see cutbacks where
ordinarily you don't want to see them to
keep a good boom bull market going and
in this case we're going to look
specifically at corporations and richer
household spending so let's jump in with
corporations then richer household
spending but first let's understand what
Barons thinks is happening in terms of
corporate spending take a look at this
here's a piece on company c a slow down
ahead and this figure tells the story so
let's take a look at the story that
Barons is suggesting so first companies
are tapping the brakes on Capital
spending as they anticipate cooling
demand that's not great they are
conserving cash as they prepare for a
tougher economic environment that might
be prudent on their part and good news
for shareholders after all good news for
shareholders when a corporation Cuts
back you temporarily see a boost to
operating profits right but what if
they're cutting the potential
investments in their business that
actually let them continue to seek
growth this is actually a very important
thing to consider when you're investing
in stocks is wait a minute it's
fantastic that the company I'm investing
in is cutting their SG a expenses
they're selling General and
administrative expenses but if they're
cutting selling are we potentially
robbing from the future sure growth of
the company to have a higher margin now
during potentially a weaker time and
often the answer is yes now in many
cases there are also companies that just
take advantage of the layoff cycle of a
recessionary environment to get rid of
poor performers this is very normal as
well after all think about it companies
don't want the reputation of firing poor
performers because if people regularly
get fired it makes it harder for a
company to promise job security to new
employees when they come however if a
company can throw up their hands and say
whoa recession sorry man we gotta cut
back we gotta you know we can't even
offer the food we used to offer anymore
sorry we gotta lay off a bunch of people
generally not always okay not always but
often the first people to get laid off
for the poor performers that if a
company had a firing policy would
probably be fired anyway there are a lot
of companies where people would actually
be really hard workers in and they'd
look around and go this is so
frustrating there are other people
putting in 10 percent the effort I do if
they get paid the same amount but the
companies don't have a policy where they
can actually fire people so they wait
for a recessionary cycle and then they
go through the weeding cycle it's not
not saying everybody who's laid off is
affected by that just saying it's a very
common thing that corporations do so in
this same weeding cycle what is Barons
telling us well they're actually saying
that companies may be cutting back on
capex substantially based on the charts
Barons is looking at and that could be a
red flag for companies that sell heavy
equipment or Technologies and systems
used in capex now the first thing that I
think of when I think of heavy equipment
is I think of the Investments that
farmers were making during the
inflationary cycle uh after uh the
pandemic during the supply chain crises
for shipping but also for food like
Farmers for for even wheat after Russia
invaded Ukraine or other food products
that exploded after the pandemic such as
even chicken and so heavy equipment that
goes into farming or industrial
manufacturing or even the processing of
meats I think a lot of that heavy
equipment was purchased and invested in
during the pandemic or Commodities Bull
Run cycles and that may get rained in
now so I'm looking caterpillar John
Deere as potential red flags here but I
also scratched my head and wonder what
about asml are they going to produce
less chip manufacturing equipment well
Barons actually gives us a little bit of
insight into this analysts expect
aggregate compacts for companies on the
S P 1500 index to rise about seven
percent just over one trillion dollars
this year according to Citigroup that's
down from a 21 increase in 2020 two
that's about a one-third as much growth
and it really kind of matches inflation
it is expected to rise just two percent
in 2024. now this I think is interesting
one of the biggest things that I
personally have learned during this
cycle is that things take a lot longer
than normal to adjust it takes a lot
longer than you'd expect for the market
to bottom and for things like inflation
to actually go away that patience is
frustrating but it's also good for
planning because if we're at the
beginning of 2022 and we're thinking all
right recession's coming within the next
six months but it actually potentially
takes two years it'd be good to plan for
that potential heads up now weakness is
expected in more economically sensitive
sectors or those that see sales rise and
fall with demand economic demand the
consumer discretionary sector which
includes retail restaurants and hotels
is likely to see capex explain a drop
rather by three percent this year now
that's interesting because retail
restaurants hotels and the like which
would include Airlines would make you
wonder wait a minute is it possible that
that booming segment where jobs and
wages are growing so strongly in retail
restaurants Airlines hotels hospitality
is it possible that those companies are
going to rain back their expenditures on
coffee machines new stoves uh you know
new equipment for their airplanes
whatever as they try to maintain profit
margins and as they start seeing
competition at the top where they can't
raise prices anymore and the answer to
this is likely yes quick note before we
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example what Darden the uh company that
runs uh Olive Garden for example is
doing they're talking almost solely
about efficiency and productivity and
doing more with less back a year ago all
they were doing was bragging about how
they could raise prices this
conversation a narrative has completely
turned on its head now all of a sudden
this the companies are realizing they're
in a situation where they're looking at
the scoreboard and they're going uh oh
lost the lead that's not good they don't
want to lose a lead they want to stay
ahead but they don't have BB anymore
they're not pricing power so what do
they do they stop investing in their
business and new equipment to try to
maintain margins to appease their
shareholders
excuse me that is really borrowing from
the future and giving to today because
if you don't continue to reinvest in
your business your sales will probably
suffer in the future it's one of the
reasons I'm personally bearish on on
retail and hospitality and travel I
understand there's a boom in that now
but I'm bearish on it because I don't
think it'll last in fact before we
continue with this Barons piece I can
tell you that there are already red
flags that some of these sectors are
starting to get hit look at this here is
a piece from Bloomberg talking about
hotel rooms over 500 a night are too
much even for Rich Travelers and they
talk about here this may be a reflection
of diminishing consumer confidence that
inflated prices have not been
accompanied by a proportionate increase
in service quality see this actually
directly relates to the Barons piece and
the argument that I'm making where
companies are starting to cut back to
maintain whatever margins they have they
can't raise prices any more than they
already have but then people are going
what the hell I'm paying a premium and
you all aren't even keeping up with
expenditures and investments into your
own business the service is actually
getting worse in certain cases despite
you paying a premium for certain
products the results come during what
should be one of the busiest periods for
travel booking March is when people
start finalizing summer plans and early
birds get a jump on year-end holiday
reservations okay however some 69
percent of poll participants said their
maximum budget per hotel room was 500
while 24 were willing to spend a
thousand dollars still five percent set
their limit at two thousand and two
percent were willing to spend three
thousand respondents include Traders
portfolio managers senior managers and
Retail investors uh although 500 to 1000
might seem high the range eliminates the
fanciest hotels in major markets okay so
they kind of give a little bit of a
breakdown here of of this survey and
here is where they suggest a difference
I'm always interested in the Delta the
difference of what's going on the
results of the survey suggest that
luxury hotels restaurants and Airlines
will face increasingly irritated
customers or consumers this summer I
don't even want to talk about how
disgusting uh uh some hotels have gotten
in that it's covid's over and they're
still saying yup tip sorry no room
service you know covert and I'm like
this is yeah it's crazy anyway
uh bank failures fast inflation elevated
mortgage payments and the softening
labor market especially in the high
income sector such as Tech could see
tourists keep discretionary spending in
check this is a shift we wrote a little
note here this is a shift uh from what
we heard from American Express where
individuals were still spending through
the recession that was in the American
Express last quarter earnings club and
American Express appeals heavily to
white collar and and higher income
individuals so what's important about
this well what's important is we're
starting to see complaints at the margin
at sort of the right side of the right
tail maybe the higher income tale where
people are starting to go okay
starting to run out of money here it's
starting to have to pull back in my
opinion that's negative not just for the
companies that would be investing in
capex like we were talking about the
hotels or Airline manufacturers but it's
also a red flag that not only are we
going to start seeing some of that
softening at the lower consumer end
where we're probably going to see most
of the softening in most of the hip but
we're starting at the margin to see some
hit to that discretionary higher income
phase and that's something to pay
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mentioned here in Bloomberg that retail
investors see positive Airline share
drivers but institutional and
professional investors actually think
the airlines are going to get hit pretty
hard based on a lack of potential capex
spending that we're starting to see at
some of the airlines going back over
here to Barons look at this the reason
companies are watching they're big
ticket spending is because they're
preparing for more muted demand and
profits you know there used to be this
story uh that uh uh that my
father-in-law used to tell me he goes
Hey Kevin you know there's this uh
there's uh this story about uh this
father who ran an antique shop off the
highway and uh and the antique shop was
doing very very well it was like 2021
right the antique shop is killing it
it's got growth its income is going up
everything's fantastic it's spending
money on Advertising it's growing it's
going great
and then the son whose college educated
says well Dad don't you realize we're
going into a recession you should cut
back and so the father-in-law says oh no
uh or the father said we're going into a
recession that's that's terrible well we
better cut our spending let's let's cut
our spending on that billboard that we
have at the corner of the freeway that
says Exit here to our antique store
let's let's not spend the thousand bucks
a month anymore on that billboard
because we need to prepare for the
recession and so they canceled the
billboard
sure enough people don't come to the
Antique store anymore because now the
billboard is gone and all of a sudden
income falls for the store The Father's
like my gosh son you were right we're
going into a recession
and the point of the story is to argue
that good Lord you know some of of the
recessionary impact of the economy that
we're in can very much be
self-fulfilling when businesses cut
their cap X spending they can induce
their own recession now this is exactly
why uh and I try to be really neutral
here I'm just going to put my cards on
the table and go the reason I selected
the cards that I did is because I think
the cards that I chose the stocks that I
chose are basically businesses that not
only have pricing power but are going to
continue to invest in capex and growing
their businesses during the recession
whereas other businesses are cutting so
I think Consumer Staples restaurant
retail Hospitality all of those uh and
even the Industrials like the Johnson
and Johnsons the 3ms I think they're all
looking at
all of them because their cell
self-inducing basically their own
recession whereas I think the companies
that are not are first of all the ones
getting the stemi checks but second of
all the ones that are basically the
growth companies of the next decade the
energies the chips uh certain electric
vehicle manufacturers right those are
the ones I think have pricing power
because first of all they're getting
massive stemi checks from uh the
government that really helps you
continue to spend and if you continue to
spend you continue to grow and you don't
self-induce your recession think about
it for a moment if you're that antique
store except instead of selling antiques
you sell solar inverters
and the government's like hey don't cut
back on spending here's billions of
dollars here's a fire hose of stemi
checks please keep investing in your
business and spending spending spending
those businesses can be like all right
[Laughter]
like I hate to call it like stupid proof
because obviously I can't guarantee it
but I'm just saying if I could shake
people and go come on it's obvious go
where the stimmy chicks are going
uh anyway so let's keep going with this
Barons piece here and then we got to get
to that corporate lash-up the reason
companies are watching Big Ticket
spending is because they're preparing
for you to demand and profits the
federal reserve's interest rate hike
started last year but usually reduced
demand and inflation with a delay so
companies have only begun responding as
they reduce large Investments once they
see the beginnings of Destruction to
demand and sales in fact city data shows
that in the past few months banks have
tightened their belts on lending as a
result of consumer and business credit
worsening what should curb demand now
I'm actually surprised that we've
actually started seeing some tightening
on this because the banking crisis
according to NatWest and many banks
hasn't really started yet but then again
they're talking about the past few
months so it is it is true that we have
seen if if the line is down like if I
invert this usually tightening credit
standards is an upline but if you invert
it it just psychologically makes a
little bit more sense like less
availability of credit the credit
tightening has kind of been doing this
anyway I think there's this anticipate
patient that the bank crisis would lead
to more of a drop off but that hasn't
happened yet but yes overall larger
banks have been tightening over the last
year uh okay so this reinforces
stagnating earnings growth concerns
stagnation is oftentimes what leads the
stock market to turn red the good news
though is according to Barons the stock
market has already reflected much of the
economic challenges and the s p 1500
while above its low of the bear Market
is still down 14 from late 2021's record
high the other good piece of news for
stock investors is that lower capex
means companies have more flexibility as
to what they can do with their cash they
can return more cash to shareholders
through dividends and BuyBacks this by
the way I think is a mistake
I really think it's a mistake for
corporations to give more dividends
right now they should be investing more
of their businesses but that's okay I
still invest in some businesses that do
BuyBacks as well look at end face for
example which amplify shareholder
Returns the s p 1500 free cash flow is
expected to gain nine percent this year
because of reduced capex that's fine but
what's that going to do to return to
earnings next year the point is that
investors should expect weak demand
going forward but that doesn't mean
completely shy away from the stock
market fine but what do we want to keep
in mind going forward and where's the
CEO lash out well the first thing that I
would keep in mind is and it meant
alluded to it earlier and I wanted to
give you my opinion on I was initially
thinking okay caterpillar John Deere but
what about asml I think because of the
chips Act and the massive amount of
factories that are going to be built in
the next few years and the fact that
there's like a two-year wait to get a
lot of this industrial equipment I think
companies like asml are actually going
to be just fine thanks to this this
massive inflationary stimulus checks uh
that are coming to not only electric
vehicles solar and such but chips
specifically well it's kind of wild but
now I'm starting to get nervous and not
just about Staples but I'm starting to
get nervous about industrial
manufacturing equipment manufacturers I
still have hope for Aerospace because in
Aerospace you still have supply chain
lags but if that catches up everything
is going to get hit and as long as we go
in the shallower session hopefully the
growthiest of the companies still do
well but then you also have ai and the
quote AI arms race look at that it's
literally on CNBC right now the AI arms
race okay you have them coming for your
profit margins as well it's like oh my
gosh it's becoming a challenging time to
invest but that's why my opinion is
looking for pricing power stocks PP
style stocks where you're basically
looking at investing in the pickaxes in
my opinion that's chips and energy and
that's because they're getting the fire
hose of the stemi checks so learn more
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