*Worst* Data in 34 Years | Recession Imminent.
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Things are getting really weird. In this
video, we are going to break down
multiple topics, including Tom Barkin
from the Richmond Federal Reserve
telling us what's going wrong in the
economy and what's going right. We're
going to talk about how Oracle is
literally underwater on their $300
billion deal as well. We're going to
talk about what is leading a potential
leading indicator for the worst
recession and the worst data that we
have seen yet, which is very bearish.
This is very very bearish. But don't
worry, at least it's bullish because you
could look at Blue Owl, who apparently
is the private credit firm that is
putting together the financing for
Meta's uh data center boom. And because
they're putting that financing together,
their public feeder funds are collapsing
in value to the point where this ticker
OBDC
is literally trading for about 78 cents
on the dollar compared to net asset
value. Uh because people are and then
this is the main company right here. Owl
is also selling off down 40% this year
because people are starting to write
down that this company may be writing
pretty crappy loans and that the private
credit bubble is just starting to burst
and Blue Owl might be one of the biggest
uh let's say uh participants. Nobody
knows private credit better than Blue
Owl.
So with that said, let's get started
with the juice. First, we're going to
start with this report from the Southern
Business Development Magazine. This has
been circulating a lot, and it's a
report that I think to some extent you
have to take with a little bit of a
grain of salt because it only represents
the South, but it's pretty intense and
it gives us some pretty ugly warnings.
The SBND is reporting that economic
development project activity in the
American South, the world's third
largest economy, is at the lowest point
of any year since they started
collecting data in 1994.
They actually say that deal making
activity in the region is worse than
what they saw during COVID and in 2025.
And I hate to say it, but look at the
the the deal volume years and when they
had bad deals. So look, good years, 730
deals about 700, 680, about 670, about
630. Those were good years, okay? And
then look at the years. 2015, 16, 17,
14, 1997, right? Those were the good
ones.
Now look at the bad years. These were
the worst years. 2021, 364 deals. 2009
367 deals. That was a recession. This
was right after COVID and this was the
recession, right? Then you have the
dotcom bubble, 409 deals. 2008, global
financial crisis, 429 deals. How many
deals this year?
Oh, wait. Then we got 2021 right here,
447. How many deals this year?
274.
Now, obviously they're estimating
because the year isn't completely done
just yet, but so far we are on pace for
the absolute worst year in the history
that these statistics have been
collected for dealmaking in the south.
And they give us some pretty nasty
warning signs, especially what's going
on in autos. Mind you, I think right now
is a terrible time to finance a car
because rates are high and for you to
get the interest deduction, you actually
need to pay the interest rate, which is
kind of dumb. But anyway, what they say
is that this is the worst 6-month period
in the South's uh modern economic
development in history. And if deals
like this are cratering in the South,
then they're probably much worse in the
Midwest uh West and Northeast. Now, I
don't necessarily agree with that
because you do have this, you know,
potential uh, you know, boom from AI in
the West that might not exactly be
happening in the south, but okay, the US
and China, you know, these are other
GDPs. Okay, so if we're talking about
the South sucking wind by a der of
deals, then the rest of the United
States must barely be breathing in job
creation. Now, we're going to reconcile
that with what Barkin says in just a
moment from the Richmond Fed. But
anyway, our experience has shown that
anytime we see what we're seeing now,
including one, headquarter relocations
and to the auto market, a recession
isn't too far away. In fact, they say
that typically headquarters move in poor
economic conditions. When and and they
make the argument that usually when the
economy is booming, you don't need to
move your headquarters to a cheaper
location. When you go into a recession,
that's when you see the most headquarter
moves. And that's what we're seeing now.
It happens in every recession to the
point that headquarter moves and bad
times are common to us. But the fact is,
we're still not technically in a
recession. And we have not had a lot of
layoffs so far. Now, of course, as they
say, I'm afraid the layoffs have not
happened yet. This is why we always talk
about layoffs, how important it is to
track layoffs. So far, maybe so good.
You don't really want to look at the
challenger job cuts report, though,
because the challenger job cuts report
says that this, you know, so far so good
may not last that long. Take a look at
this. If you look at the challenger job
cuts report, we said not only did
individual companies announce large
layoff totals in October, but a higher
number of companies announce job cut
plans. Challenger tracked nearly 450
individual job cut plans in October. So,
how many companies are planning to fire
thousands of workers potentially?
compared to just under 400 in September
and 350 in March. October's total is the
highest total for a month in terms of
layoffs since October 2003.
So, highest October layoffs since 2003.
And and that was after the Federal
Reserve was printing money. People keep
thinking that the Fed's going to bail us
out by printing. They will, but it'll
take way longer than people think. So,
that's back when they were printing. uh
you know we had the largest layoffs back
then in 2003. You know now we're not
even at the printing press yet and we
have the highest layoff plans coming.
But then they go on as far as saying not
only do we you know see this lack of
dealmaking which can't be good for jobs
but we also see the some of the worst
numbers for the automotive industry
suggesting that the automotive industry
is the canary in the coal mine when it
comes to recessions that tend to follow
within months of the industry's
collapse. Now, they do argue that we're
not saying a collapse in the Great
Recession is imminent. We're simply
reporting that the automotive sector in
the South has been a no-show in deals so
far this year. And the automotive
industry is always the first industry to
crater in a recession. And automotive is
almost always the first sector to emerge
to help lift us out of a recession.
Okay. Well, so far automotive deals
aren't great. It's very difficult to
sell cars right now. Uh but anyway, you
know, then they they try to, you know,
look at their data. They're like,
"What's going on here?" And they
basically realize, "This sucks. We're
doing really bad in terms of data." And
then, of course, the worst prior deals
were during the Great Recession uh or
COVID, and we're even worse than this.
And then, of course, the author of this
talks to other people, says, "What's
going on here?" And they just write back
and go, "Tick tick tick."
Huh. That's a little eerie. But if we
then jump on over to what Barkin says,
Barkin, he gives us some broad overview
about how we collect data and how we
survey community leaders and how when we
survey community leaders, we can kind of
see things that are happening before
they show up in big data. And here's
what he's seeing. He says, "So far data
remains healthy and that some of the bad
levels of uncertainty are abating." Both
of those things are good and bullish,
right? And he also says, "So far, credit
and debit card spending remains solid in
the context of low employment and high
stocks." That's actually a little bit of
a warning right here because if
unemployment goes up, credit and debit
card spending falls. If the stock market
falls, then you probably also get
spending falls like spending that
declines via the wealth effect heavily
in part because of boomer wealth. A lot
of people who have retired early. In
fact, there are estimates that we have
around 2.4 4 million early retirees in
the United States that could end up
showing up back for work if there's a
recession. And if they show up back for
work, the participation rate will
skyrocket, which then skyrockets the
unemployment rate, which would also be
bad. But anyway, uh he says there's sort
of a K-shaped economy here. If you build
data centers or you sell to high income
consumers, you're good. But if you're a
farmer, a realtor, or a manufacturer,
you're struggling. Now remember, the
realtor problem has to do with volume,
right? When volumes are depressed,
realtors make fewer commissions. People
always I always thought it was funny as
you know like people would be like, "Oh,
the realtor just wants to sell the house
for 10 grand more so they can make more
of a commission." And it's like like
what a couple hundred bucks like they
want to get the home sold, you know,
that's what matters. Uh so so typically
you want volume when you're an agent,
right? You're going to go with an
average deal volume and you're going to
want volume or average deal value.
Anyway, employment growth on the other
hand, he says, is soft. We're describing
it as a low, high, or low fire
environment. Now, layoffs so far are
stable and low as signaled by jobless
claims. I wrote a little note here that
that's alone keeping us out of a
recession. Now, I hate to say it, but
what happened with unemployment claims
literally this morning? I hate to say
it, but look at this.
uh number receiving unemployment
benefits highest since August. So in
other words, we've already started to
see an uptake in unemployment claim
filings with now 232,000 coming out.
Now the real problem with unemployment
claims is that they're massively
lagging. So if the unemployment claims
numbers actually really start drifting
even higher, it's way too late. If you
look at unemployment claims in the
context of recessions, they always peak
when the recession is nearly over. Now,
we're not near a peak, but they start
like midway through a recession. So, you
could already be in a recession right
now, and layoffs will be the nail in the
coffin, and then that gets the Federal
Reserve to print money. The problem is
you'll have a stock market correction
between now and the bottom, but that
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>> Anyway, so uh Barkin says that layoffs
so far are good and so far nothing's
changed much. Now, this was an
interesting line. He says, "Our outreach
suggests a somewhat weaker labor market
than the numbers suggest. If you ask
businesses how the labor market is, they
say it's balanced, but it doesn't seem
balanced when you actually listen to
what they're saying." Now, this is a
this is a warning from Barkin. You know,
this is uh uh not the best. Like, he's
he's he's laying this up for you. I hate
to say it. He's he's giving you a layup
here. He's like, "Look, as long as
layoffs don't jump, we're good.
Unemployment claims are already jumping,
but we know those are really lagging
indicators. So maybe those aren't
reliable." And businesses are telling us
everything is fine, but the more we
look, the more we're like, uh,
things are not fine. Now, what's
interesting if you actually go look at
the hawk and dove scale, which I just
pulled up, you'll find that Barkin is
actually considered a centrist.
Now, that's interesting because we
already know that the people who are
doves right here are going to want cuts
like Myronin and Waller. We already know
that they want cuts. But Barkin actually
sits right here as a centrist. Now, he's
nowhere near as, you know, the hawk of
somebody like Foolsby, Goulsby or uh,
you know, Schmid or Hammock. nowhere
near the Hawk that they are, but by
being in the middle and him like
slightly telling you, uh, yeah.
Um, this is not good. Um, you know, it's
a little bit of a warning sign. You
should be paying attention to this. You
This is where I always say like it's
really important not to just read the
titles is how how like people then
complain. They're like, "Kevin, it takes
you like 20 minutes to go through all
this content." I like well yeah it's a
lot of stuff and like how it also takes
a long time to put it all together but
it teaches us the nuance like there's so
much value and nuance that you don't get
scrolling you know Tik Tok or X because
you know most things are engagement bait
uh to to unfortunately mislead you uh
whereas my goal is always to say hey
like look at the content in detail and
then then you are prepared you know
maybe you're paying off margin maybe
you're raising cash maybe you're making
sure that you're watching those
unemployment claim numbers or layoff
numbers so that you are prepared to
transition. I know there are a lot of
transition I know there are a lot of
people who are like I'm ready to pull my
credit lines, you know, because banks
freeze credit lines in recessions and so
yeah, I think that's a valid thing to
watch for. I don't think you have to
pull your credit line yet just to sit on
it, but that was a very common thing
during the recession. Very, very common.
Uh our outreach suggests a somewhat
weaker labor market, right? We saw this.
So, so and then of course layoff
announcements from Verizon, Target, and
Amazon increase cause for for caution.
Exactly.
Exactly. So, uh and then of course we've
got meaningful, you know, tariff
pressures. So, we've got some
inflationary tariffs. We're we're
driving this boat and we have limited
visibility and the lighthouse is off.
Blah blah blah blah blah. Okay, fine. So
now you have to kind of take that,
which you know that's not great, right?
But you have to take that and you have
to now reconcile that with what's going
on with all this financing crap. Now
Oracle apparently they say is underwater
on the $300 billion deal. That's not
just because credit default swaps are
increasing, which they continue to
increase. You can see right here the
cost to insure against the default at
Oracle is increasing. And Oracle is
nasty. You know, we've done we did
fundamental analysis on Oracle in the
alpha report. You could actually see it
under our stock tab. We have a uh a
stock tab in the meet Kevin app for
course members. And it's interesting
because, you know, you could just drop
down on the side and like pick a stock
you want to look at like uh you know uh
what is this? I mean we were looking at
you know this was just an example. We
were looking at fun this morning. Uh,
and then you you can look at Nphase or
Costco or Axon, Amazon, you know, what
whatever company you want to look at.
But anyway, we did an analysis on
Oracle. I can't remember when we did it.
We did an analysis on Oracle. We're
like, "Oh my gosh, this is like an
insane level of debt." Uh, and you know,
and I think it was after earnings and
people are like, "Oh, should we buy
Oracle?" I'm like, "Hell no, this is
nasty. I can't touch this with a 10-ft
pole with how much debt it has." And you
know since since it blew up on earnings,
it's given all of that back and it's now
lower than where it was. Uh so you know
this is also explained in what you're
seeing in the Blue Owl private credit
disaster. The Blue Owl private credit
disaster where their main stock is down
40%. We also, by the way, looked at
their financials which I thought was
crazy. Like if you go look at their
financials, they make $645 million in
management fees and they pay most of
that out to themselves as compensation.
I'm like, "Holy smokes, dude. These
people are just patting wealth as wealth
managers." And really my concern is what
these people are doing is they are
taking old people's money and they're
throwing it into funds
that people don't actually know what's
inside of these funds. That's why
there's so much fear about like a p
private credit disaster because people
are like, "Oh my gosh, like what's what
are actually inside of these? We don't
know." Oh, but they're triple rated,
sir.
Right. Right. We've never we've never
seen that movie before. So, you know, it
makes people nervous. And so, no wonder
the Blue Owl stock and feeder funds are
starting to tank. Uh, and it's probably
a good thing because the market is
waking up going, "Hey, hey, be careful
over here." Oh, here we go. Oracle
earnings report. What did we say over
here? This was uh I pulled it up.
September 10th. That was my dad's
birthday. I think there was What
happened? Wasn't there a plane crash or
something on September 10th? There was
something bad that happened on September
10th, too. I can't remember what it was.
Oh, no. It was like a tririccolor
collapse or something. Anyway, uh so
they have $19 billion in cash to pay $27
billion in bills. So, they don't even
have the cash to cover their bills right
now. And on top of that, they have $100
billion in long-term debts, not even
including all of the leases. Okay,
that's crazy. Now, I'm I kid you not
that I you could see it. You know, when
I do a PDF document, I put the date that
I look at the document right here,
September 10th. And uh I mean, we
covered this live. You could probably go
back and just look at September 10th
live streams. And what's remarkable is I
was on it on September 10th.
And look at the stock performance.
There's September 10th right here. This
giant green candlestick.
Oh, Charlie Kirk was September 10th. Oh,
I feel bad now. I knew it was something
bad. So, I remember I'm like, man, this
happened on my dad's birthday. Oh,
that's sad. Dang, that's already been 2
months. Two months. He's been dead for 2
months and 8 days.
Man, that's terrible. See, by the way,
that's another example of violence
against free speech, which we already
talked about that enough tonight. But
anyway, uh and then I even complained
about their revenues over here. I said
their net margin is collapsing due to
AI. you know, 240 basis point decline in
margins in in, you know, a
year-over-year quarter. That's bad. So,
but anyway, so it's not a surprise to me
that, you know, now you're getting this
oracle pain, which unfortunately AI is
really what's propping us up. I mean, I
hate to say it, but, you know, you go to
that last ADP report. I've referenced
this many times because I actually
thought this was bullish uh when I first
saw it, but that was just that first
glance. I'm like, "Oh, 42,000, that's
great." But then you go look at the
components of of where it was mostly in
the west. I think it was 37,000 jobs in
the west and mostly big firms. Uh it's
in the details of their press release.
I'm pretty sure they they drop it into
here. Yeah, there it is. Pacific 37,000.
So it's mostly I think big business on
the West Coast that propped that up.
That's not great. Now though, you know,
people are worried about artificial
intelligence as sort of that last leg to
hold everything up. There is uh a lot of
Oh, the Wall Street Journal is now
reporting this. Look at this. Cuz I
actually don't think XAI has money. I
think they're out of money. And I said
that if you are voting in the Tesla
shareholder vote, I would not vote
uh for uh uh the the XAI investment. I
would not vote for that at all. Uh
because I think XAI is just a cash
burning pit and I don't want good money
at Tesla being thrown after bad over
here. So Elon Musk, artificial
intelligence company XAI is in advanced
talks to raise 15 billion in new equity
at a $230 billion valuation. Now it
wouldn't be surprising for Elon Musk to
just go fake news cuz he's done this
before with Reuters reporting on it. But
anyway, this is like
a lot higher than the valuation they
previously had. So, people are still
throwing money at this stuff. Still
throwing money at this stuff. Uh,
somebody's buying it. You know, the
terms of the new fundraising round were
disclosed to investors by Elon Musk's
wealth manager, Jared, on Tuesday night.
Oh, literally tonight. And it already
got leaked out. It couldn't be
determined whether the expected new
valuation shared with investors was pre-
or post money.
CNBC reported earlier that uh on XAI's
plans to fund raise. Oh, CNBC. And then
Elon Musk wrote, "False." Yeah, except
now we're getting new information from
Jared's guy or from Elon's guy, Jared.
Many AI startups, including XAI, are
rapidly burning cash, right? Yeah.
That's what I think is crazy. Like, you
know, I I I don't want to myself like we
we are not going to run a company that
spends more than we make, especially,
you know, in artificial intelligence.
You know, that's that's the plan. So
hopefully we can keep keep on that that
course. But I'm really really excited
about what we're doing with House Hack.
But I I just think this is scary because
it creates so much risk. These people
take on so much debt. X say yeah these
were the pri uh prior fundraisers. Okay.
What are people saying? No comments on
this yet. What? I love reading the
comments on these. Oh well. But anyway,
you know, put all of this together and
this is a very different situation that
when we had at the end of 2022, at the
end of 2022, we were looking at a Nike
swoosh style recovery on the cues. I
mean, you all know the people who were
there, you know, how many times was I
screaming Nike swoosh at the bottom of
the market and throughout all of 2023
and most of 2024. I only started getting
nervous on jobs in late 2024.
And I'm still nervous on jobs. That's
why I'm kind of midpoint on tomorrow.
I'm like, I don't know. Like once those
layoffs tip up, it's gonna be a little
bit of a problem. You saw it. I mean,
you saw the report from that Southern
magazine. You saw what Barkin is telling
you, and you see what's going on in the
stresses of Oracle or Blue Owl. I mean,
Blue Owl is literally selling for a
discount. And not only are they selling
for a discount because of all this
private credit crap, but now they're
going to try to limit the number of
people who can sell uh their their other
fund at net asset value and basically
try to stop the bleeding likely by
screwing more investors. I hate to say
it. I don't know all the details of
this. This is pretty damn complicated
here on the Reuters website. You can go
check it out yourself if you really want
to. You know, here's the article title.
But to me, it looks like a disaster. And
I think more and more of these disasters
are brewing. I just hope we can get
through them. You know, when you have a
really strong economy, things can
default and collapse and then it's fine.
Like, you just you power through it. But
if the economy is weak and then you have
problems, that's when things falter. And
in fairness, I personally am of the
mindset that I want you to be able to
come to this channel and go, you know
what? If Kevin is an uber bull and he's
like, "Bro, we're going to have a Nike
swoosh recovery. We're going all in."
you know, like I want you to hear that.
That's what I was doing in 22 at the end
of 2022. I even started a fund around
the idea. Uh, I'm like, bro, uh, you
know, I mean, I was just looking at
Robin Hood the other day. It was like
the the Nvidia stock I I bought that was
like 1,600% return from 22. And I'm
like, holy crap. You know, that's a lot.
Uh, which is great. I mean, we made
money. Fantastic. I hope you made money,
too. Uh but I I also just want to be
reasonable to say that, you know, we're
we're on a the edge of a cliff and maybe
we can keep climbing like the goat. You
know, maybe we will be the greatest.
What's the isn't there there is a meme
around that? Like I think the meme the
goat on cliff. I think the meme is like
you're just waiting me. You're just
waiting for me to fall, but little do
you know I'm the goat. And then they
show like, you know, a picture of a
goat. I think it's I think it's usually
something like this, right? They show a
picture of a goat on the edge like
you're waiting for me to fall, but
little do you know I'm the goat, the
greatest of all time, you know, like
hopefully I don't want to go into a
recession, you know. So, uh but anyway,
yeah. So, that's my take, you know. I
will uh I will just keep being as
transparent as possible with that. Same
thing with House Act, you know. Uh we
will uh we we are prepared whether
there's recession or not. I even say it
uh I don't know where I say it but
recession or not here we come and uh you
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if we do convert it would only because
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my hope my dream is to go public between
2028 and 2030. If our AI really takes
off, maybe we can do it earlier. If
there's a big depression, maybe it'll be
later. But you could read more about
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see some of the properties and stuff
over at reinvest.co or houseack.com.
>> Why not advertise these things that you
told us here? I feel like nobody else
knows about this.
>> We'll we'll try a little advertising and
see how it goes. Congratulations, man.
You have done so much. People love you.
People look up to you.
>> Kevin Praath there, financial analyst
and YouTuber. Meet Kevin. Always great
to get your take.
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