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the Bears what we're going to do in this
bearish video is we are going to take my
bullish bias and respond to what some of
the Bears are saying we're going to talk
about BlackRock we're going to react to
video from a chief Economist interviewed
by CNBC and we're going to see what
people think about the terminal fed
funds rate we are going to look at what
the financial times thinks about the
probability of higher rates and how much
higher and we are going to look at some
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BlackRock and Mr Rick reader thinks it
is reasonable that the Federal Reserve
will easily get to a six percent
terminal rate markets are presently at
the time of this recording pricing in a
5.65 rate and now BlackRock believes it
is not only reasonable to get to six
percent but also stay there for an
extended period of time potentially as
long as a year the probability of a half
Point High increase from the Federal
Reserve is now sitting as high as 73.5
percent according to a CME fed watch
tools that is not great for the March
22nd meeting and it is a Big Boon to the
Bears unless of course we get 25 and if
we've been pricing in bearishness then
that means Moon okay maybe not quite
moon but it would be positive anyway it
does show that the 50 BPI is very much
on the table uh BlackRock is really
comparing the US to uh to a chemical
like polyurethane now I I think this is
sort of a weird comparison but but he
says markets can be stretched bent and
stressed and flexed without breaking and
and really a six percent rate shouldn't
break our financial institutions or our
financial systems which are very strong
so while it's bearish to argue for six
percent it's really saying like the odds
of us really breaking something by going
to six percent not that high now it's
also worth taking a listen into what
this this particular interview here from
CNBC I think is uh pretty fascinating so
let's let's jump into this here hey this
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okay ready for this here we go what
we're missing right now there's some
guidance that says how much is going to
be enough because Pals clearly said
where we are where we were telling you
we're going is not enough and I think
the one thing that Steve and other
people haven't mentioned is the guidance
that the Federal Reserve report itself
gave us it said that given the kind of
policy rules that people have been using
to assess different types of policies we
need rates somewhere on the order of six
and a half seven percent to get enough
of a Slowdown in the economy I I just
like to say what the FED is talking
about
is this Taylor rule the Taylor rule as
you can see on screen here adjusted for
current conditions suggests a Fed funds
rate closer to seven percent if this is
basically the Federal Reserve has about
four or five different versions of the
Taylor rule they use and the Taylor rule
really says you could be at a terminal
rate of five percent you could be at a
terminal rate of over seven percent
and it just depends on which measure of
the Taylor rule you're looking at I
don't know how much it really matters
back in the covet pandemic the Taylor
rule actually told the Federal Reserve
that they should go negative
so when you hear Taylor rule think about
it like a suggestion but I would pay
more I would give more Credence to what
the FED is actually saying which is look
hot jobs hot CPI report rates go up
softer expected 25 and pause sooner
simple we'll see let's keep get us back
to two percent inflation those numbers
are not even on the table right now and
I think the message is Yet to Come and
we might actually see is that this
inflation story disappears on us and the
economy actually is hotter than we
thought we may be seeing six and seven
percent numbers uh between now and the
middle of the year yeah we were I Steve
and I both thought we were just talking
to Professor Taylor about this not not a
couple of days ago I think he was at six
percent bill but
um either way it seems let's talk about
kind of the the yield current version
the 10-year yield at uh
uh four percent now I have to like think
every time I say these numbers because
we've been whipsawing around so much so
you're saying we're going to six maybe
seven percent on the FED funds rate the
10-year is now at four percent and not
going back to the highs we saw in the
fall have we started the process whereby
the higher the FED funds probability
goes the lower the 10-year yield might
go because it's so concerned about where
that growth trajectory is taking us
one of the things to keep in mind is
that the FED is not focused on the
inverted yield curve they're focused on
what it really means for the economy if
we have a Slowdown in inflation If
people really adapt their expectations
adaptive behavior and we get the kind of
soft Landing they're hoping for we have
lower 10-year rates but if you have a
crash and a hard Landing we also get
that the lower 10-year rates the the the
the the FED itself of course prefers
that soft landing and they're hoping
that through this jaw boning and early
jaw boning they're going to be able to
get people to change the behavior early
enough so that we avoid that hard
Landing but the the the inversion of
yield curve gives us two scenarios and
and which scenario is going to be let me
just pause there before he talks about
the two scenarios uh what what's really
important to remember about the 10-year
yield curve is the 10-year yield curve
crashes housing right the or the 10-year
yield the more it's around four percent
or higher the more pain you have in real
estate now the Federal Reserve to some
extent to some extent wants real estate
to soften because as Robert Schiller
tells us the wealth of effect is most
affected by real estate which means if
real estate values come down people
finally stop spending money what is the
Fed always told us they want to control
Demand by reining in demand they can
reign in inflation they cannot solve
supply chain problems they can only
fight demand the easiest way to do that
is Crush housing so in my opinion the
more the FED teases the idea that we're
going to go higher for longer the higher
the 10-year goes the higher the 10-year
goes the reason it goes up is because
people think well if we're going to go
higher for longer then maybe I should
wait to buy bonds less people buying
bonds higher yields higher yields more
paying for Real Estate it's simple the
only way that 10-year goes down is when
yes either we are in a recession and the
FED has accomplished getting rid of
inflation or we're going in for that
soft landing and inflation is going away
without a recession but until then the
more the FED says higher longer higher
longer higher longer the more these
10-year treasury yields go up the more
pain you you have for housing in my
opinion it's very simple it's very clear
let's keep going
upon how credible the FED statements are
and how much Wall Street takes it to
heart probably one of the worst pieces
of news Steve this week was the unit
labor costs and productivity report or
maybe it was last week but when it shows
that for the quarter unit labor costs
think we're still six and a half percent
productivity is now falling so it's now
showing evidence of Labor hoarding you
know that firms are just reluctant to
let people go which means inflation is
higher uh for now than it otherwise
would have been and that we could end up
seeing more hikes and then a deeper
downturn resulting in the next I don't
know what the time frame is now 6 12 18
months I mean this is going to be a long
period of waiting waiting and waiting
for these conditions to fully set in
hey Kelly I've given up a lot of my
optimism here but but one thing I've not
quite given up just yet as my optimism
on productivity
um and and I can we can go through that
and I think you and I probably should do
a segment on this down the road but
right now there's a lot of volatility in
the productivity numbers because we had
this surge of productivity at the
beginning of the pandemic when some of
the lower wage and lower productivity
workers uh were let go and now they've
come back so I'm not quite ready yet to
give up the ghost I think we've maybe
had some improvements in productivity
from different business processes that
have come out of covid so I'm a little
bit I remain optimistic on that front I
don't think we're quite giving that up
what does concern me though is the issue
of whether or not we have enough workers
in the workforce and that was discussed
and and I think that we are still
several million short of where we should
be relative to have it and quick note
there this is actually where my talk
about women coming back to the workforce
from That Wall Street Journal article is
really important we talked about this
idea that a lot of women are stopped
working during the pandemic because of
child care needs or otherwise or or fear
of of covid because women are more
represented in Leisure and hospitality
and travel and health care and education
and these really affected by the
pandemic however those folks now fearful
that you know their spouse or otherwise
could be losing their job in
manufacturing construction or Tech might
end up seeing themselves go back to work
to help prop up their household's
ability to sustain during these
expensive times and and difficult times
which that would actually put downward
pressure on uh the the sort of labor
rate of inflation uh downward pressure
on a wage price spiral increasing the
supply of labor is is a phenomenal way
to ensure that we don't have to get Paul
volckert but uh you know it certainly
does indicate yeah yeah going through a
little bit of a tougher time but hey if
we could fill those jobs we can remove
that labor tightness fantastic the
Federal Reserves that much closer to a
soft Landing
workers to do the job and you know I
thought it was interesting Bill P is
getting asked now more about pockets of
the economy where we have problems we'll
talk about this later but commercial
real estate was one of them um and just
this idea of you know when Warren
president and he tried to say you know
we don't think we have to have a
worsening labor market to bring
inflation down but I'm not sure that's
true because it's now unit labor costs
that are driving inflation higher this
is not about the supply chain anymore
um this is directly an issue of the
types see what Kelly's saying here right
if labor cost is the problem it's labor
cost inflation is the problem how do you
solve labor cost inflation you increase
Supply well we are seeing a surge of
Supply the leading indicators no matter
what that jobs report says tomorrow the
leading indicators are telling us the
supply of labor is surging regardless of
whether that's women or men look at the
earnings calls from companies whether
it's Lyft Uber Chipotle Starbucks right
we've gone through this before don't
want to sound redundant the leading
indicators of saying the supply of labor
it's rapidly expanding
there it seems unavoidable
well Kelly you have to watch out that
the unit labor cost is an aggregate
number there are some companies that are
really doing quite well in keeping
keeping their costs down and changing
their their business models and and
using technology to make workers more
productive other parts of the economy
have lag behind on that and so you have
this big spike in um you know labor
costs in part because we have seen the
flip side of the huge uh downward drop
in in unit labor costs at the beginning
of the uh of the of the recovery but one
thing you have to keep in mind is that
the disinflationary forces have are
still in place like that going all the
way back to the last 10 years because
technology and the changes in
globalization are changing the way
business models are going about doing
their their their business and I think
going forward we're going to see that we
will have uh better profits and better
uh results if we can keep up the pace of
productivity growth and I think Steve is
absolutely right productivity is really
the heart of what the future is going to
hold for inflation
yeah very very good points there uh that
companies are now and if you read the
earnings calls uh or just listen to me
give you the summary of them uh what
you'll find is almost every single
company I mean even Costco which has a
massive labor expenses uh every single
company that I'm looking at they're not
talking about raising wages they're
talking about yes wages have gone up but
you know what they're talking about uh
we are working on increasing
productivity and more automation because
we believe if we can have more
Automation and more productivity as we
will be able to make margins better
right uh that's uh that's that's a lot
of what we're seeing right now which I
think is phenomenal uh and uh it
actually is somewhat bullish now uh we
do need to look at uh a little bit of
what um
a TS Lombard is saying they are a pretty
classic traditional bear here and uh you
know as much as I like to you know put
on my bullish hat I have to be realistic
so I always always pay attention to the
Bears I like I say you might be a bear I
might be a bull I'll still have beer
with you it doesn't matter and we could
have different opinions
uh okay so what do we have here
uh the uh Powell versus reality uh this
this author argues that the the idea
that 50 basis points is even on the
table next week according to this bear
is a tacit admission that the downshift
in Hikes was a mistake the FED slowed
thinking they were closing in on Peak
rates they are in fact no closer to
understanding where Peak rates reside
than where they were a few months back
because they have no idea where
disinflation will settle without a
recession
February Employment Number obviously
those are coming out here look at this
fed hiking Cycles measured in days and
rates heading into a recession and it
kind of just shows you sort of different
eras here the 1991 2001 2008 2009 and
you can see climb led to recession climb
led to recession climb led to recession
climb led to covet so that was weird so
what do we are we weird well probably or
are we going into recession this is just
sort of your traditional bear case here
anyway the modify here we go with this
this Taylor rule again uh see this is
yet another version of the Taylor rule
oh let's look at the modified Taylor
rule well if we do the formula what do
we get well we need to get to a 7.7
federal funds rate hey which you know
what In fairness everything the Federal
Reserve has told us in terms of
projections has been wrong so far wrong
so far everything every time they give
us a summary of economic projections
it's too low you know and I remember
when the last summary of economic
projections came out in December we're
like oh my God 5.1 percent fed funds
rate that's insane that's that's higher
than even the markets price again right
now and the market sold off
and and I remember saying this is
actually really bad because the fed's
been low on everything so far are they
trying to get ahead or are they going to
end up being low on this again
well if we had to decide today they're
low again
scary always wrong now if we get really
good labor reports tomorrow and and good
inflation reports next week then maybe
that's not that big of a deal uh either
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the second headline of today's testimony
okay fantastic uh hold on there's one
more piece from TS longboard we need to
talk about and it has to do with the
bond market see TS Lombard continuing
with sort of the bear case here he
argues that uh while while there is some
optimism optimism on disinflation he
argues that it is a fantasy to return to
two percent inflation without a
recession I do think this bear is
forgetting that it just needs to be two
percent average right I think I really
think the FED is just waiting to pull
out the uh the the average argument we
know it's coming we know fate is coming
because well it's fate
flexible average inflation targeting
anyway to it Compares basically to the
inversion of the yield curve that we had
in 2000 where the FED funds rate topped
out at six and a half percent but
inflation was running at two point four
percent now inflation is running at six
percent and we're maybe going to top out
at 5.1 he's basically like yeah right
this is the same person who's like we're
probably going to top out in this seven
percent range yikes the 1970s was the
last time we actually had this misguided
optimism on inflation's course and fed
policy being priced into the yield curve
remember though how are things different
from the 70s inflation expectations
today and we didn't just leave the gold
standard like we did in the 70s
does give this example for inflation
basically always going away through
recession but and then specifically
refers to the Korean War but the Korean
war is actually an example of a soft
Landing so I wrote this on the side the
Korean war was deemed to be a tiny
recession that was actually cheered as
solving inflation as a near-soft landing
unemployment peaked at about 6.1 percent
and that recession was really called a
v-shaped recovery and it was deemed to
be relatively mild and brief so I
personally love it when people compare
it to the compare us today as a bull
here I love it when people compare us to
the Korean War era and that recession
because it was like it was a fantastic
recession like if you're going to have a
recession that's the one you would hope
for
however as I have regularly said on the
channel hope is not an investing
strategy and there if there's no return
to two percent inflation without a
recession it says this individual uh
then it's likely well actually the
individual here suggests we're going to
have to see the unemployment rate rise
to about five and a half percent we're
probably going to see that reflected in
the next updated summary of economic
projections coming out on the 22nd from
the FED he does not believe that we are
going to see the world mend itself back
to what it was what it was this is even
though as we just saw in that CNBC
interview and what Jerome Powell
reiterated the disinflationary forces
that were in effect in the last decade
are still in effect today uh that's
that's important to remember that's at
least what Jerome Powell is telling us
and institutions are telling us and I
believe that as well right the
disinflationary forces where you whether
you call it globalization or
re-globalization artificial intelligence
technological innovation whatever
automation you name it my mid-year
recession call is still a 55 product a
probability rooted in the flip to
negative carry for real inventories uh
leading to more layoffs and financial
services no longer being able to build
on high and Rising Equity prices yeah
I'm not a big fan of financial services
right now I think they're going to get
hit by lower incomes really getting
stretched substantially more but anyway
uh the individual here says that the 5
to 10 curve usually usually actually
turns positive before a recession so
that implies that we should have to
start seeing the steepening of the yield
curve before we're actually officially
in a recession which is interesting
because you know what if we get the
steepening of the yield curve in like
June or July well then it reiterates the
idea that maybe we won't actually get a
recession until like q1 of 2024 right
six months before so I think this is
really an interesting sort of leading
indicator here air travel dropping back
to 2019 levels I actually thought that
was bullish because it kind of suggests
that we have this peak of air travel and
we're going back to lower levels which
is good because you put less
inflationary pressure on something
that's been very much inflating
a little bit of talk about how we're
seeing less financing of inflation lower
loans we saw a lot of credit being
pulled in the middle of 2022 but you're
actually actually seeing less financing
happening right now uh the market
remains convinced that the world will
repair itself back to pre-covered levels
according to this bear it won't ignore
the chatter about no recession needed
you know I don't know that we can say
that we're definitely not going to have
a recession I just think the question is
like
what stocks can you hold on to that will
do well through hopefully what will be a
mild recession now everybody says every
recession is going to be mild but so so
we don't know how deep it'll get but I I
mean personally what I'm just saying
with with not only the excess savings
people had not to be compared confused
with excess savings rates but also with
wealthier folks and businesses spending
through the recession I think you could
really set yourself up with pricing
power stocks that'll do well through a
mild to moderate recession I don't think
anything does well in a bad recession so
so that is something to keep in mind but
yeah I don't I don't know that we have
to believe in Immaculate disinflation
which this individual calls a fairy tale
basically a fantasy as long as we have a
trend down and we're not getting Paul
volckerd I remain bullish on pricing
power style stocks yeah I really like
big PP uh the bigger PP the better I
just I just want PP all around me uh and
I think that's very very important uh
but uh you know this is this is your
bear case and I think the bear case says
good arguments uh I pay attention to it
I don't think those arguments are strong
enough like they were in January of
2022. uh that's that's really when we
had leaning indicators letting us know
that poopsie dupsy was coming but uh
anyway that gives you a little bit of
the bear case in terms of what's going
on what the Bears
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