Why Tesla is EXPLODING | Tesla Stock
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let's talk a Tesla first of all I hate
to say it but when Elon Musk starts
complaining about the Federal Reserve on
Twitter let's just say it's always been
followed by a poor stock performance and
what was Elon Musk doing yesterday he
was complaining about the Federal
Reserve on Twitter and how they need to
lower rates by 50 basis points however
as a long-term holder of Tesla my bias
exposed perhaps that'll create some more
buying opportunities but that's also
predicated on having more cash to buy
with but anyway let's talk about what
Morgan Stanley in the Wall Street
Journal just had to say about Tesla and
how that could impact Tesla versus the
competition here we go the Wall Street
Journal Elon Musk cost cutting targets
at Tesla pressure EV Rivals now I love
hearing that because everybody keeps
talking about how fantastic of an idea
it is that uh basically uh EVS are going
to have so much competition and Tesla's
going to be screwed because there'll be
so much competition part of that is
predicated on this this concept that oh
well all the other competitors are going
to come out with a cheaper car and then
Tesla's going to be screwed okay well
let's talk about that because what do we
have over here first of all uh the Wall
Street Journal dives into this idea that
Elon musk's new efforts of trying to cut
costs by potentially 50 percent for a
future release of a model 2 quote
ratchets up the pressure on traditional
automaker says here a managering
director of a consulting firm in the
Auto industry interviewed by The Wall
Street Journal and what's fascinating to
me is how this article Dives right into
Volkswagen and a UBS analyst where
Patrick Huber referred to Tesla's cost
cutting plans in asking Volkswagen
officials about their EV ID3 and that's
because Volkswagen just on Tuesday had
uh today just had an event
where they talked about uh the the
various different uh future plans for
Volkswagen and in questioning the
individual asks hey so y'all want to cut
prices but the reality is right now your
ID3 electric vehicle barely sells above
its Breakeven level how do you actually
expect to make money with an even really
cheaper priced car in fact he says I
really struggle to see how Volkswagen is
going to have an affordable electric
vehicle that's profitable to you in a
couple years time the response
that competition will become tougher so
we will try to stay as fixed as possible
on the overhead side of cost
I could do that because I was born in
Germany okay but anyway uh uh they even
have significant scale by Zen referring
to their 25 000 Euro vehicle concept car
from 2025 or that should be out at 2025.
now let me just say this
how do you expect to get to scale on a
car you haven't actually manufactured
yet if there's one thing we've learned
is you start manufacturing a car first
and then you get to more scale what
Volkswagen is trying to say is hey don't
worry we're go in two years the scale of
our production will be so amazing for
our break even ID3 that we'll be able to
produce a car that's about 40 percent
less expensive because we'll finally
have figured out how to not operate a
money losing business
I don't buy that at all I think that
sounds like a horrible idea and I don't
think they're going anywhere but okay
we'll keep going here
so uh you've got here caresoft Global
which tears apart vehicles to Compare
costs between competitors and estimates
that Tesla's model y could have about a
three thousand dollar cost advantage to
a competitor's comparable offerings not
even including batteries and that's
today even if Elon Musk is unsuccessful
at reaching a 50 reduction in costs
industry observers say any significant
effort towards the goal would be
meaningful at basically cementing
Tesla's lead above its competitors
okay fascinating the rest of the
industry is going to stand up and notice
now the the uh Wall Street Journal then
jumps on over from basically going from
this idea of Volkswagen actually thinks
they're going to go from near breakevens
to profitable on a car that costs 40
percent less money good luck to them in
the meantime Tesla's uh already got cost
advantages today and on top of that are
trending towards even better cost
advantages and so then what do they do
they compare to Ford they compare to
Ford and they say Mr Farley often cites
Tesla at having a more than ten thousand
dollar vehicle cost Advantage per car
greater than that three thousand dollars
it's getting even worse for the Legacy
auto uh and what I think is great about
Mr Farley is I think he really realizes
where the money is to be made and where
money is not to be made and one of the
things that I think is incredible is his
blatant basically admission of how
behind four is now some of you might
remember this from the Q4 earnings call
I think it's worth bringing up again
because we're about to go into a Morgan
Stanley piece and in the Morgan Stanley
piece we have some potential negative
news that we need to cover of course we
could always balance out negative news
by reminding you about the coupon that
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so but what do we have here uh Jim
Farley makes it very clear that they as
well are not profitable on EVS they're
not expecting to be profitable on EVS
until
2026. they also realize they have to go
through many more Cycles to understand
uh how not to waste an extra mile of
cabling on their products when they
actually manufacture a car and while
they figure out how to actually get to
profitability they also realize the
place to make money isn't actually on
the car itself but on software you might
remember me playing this clip of Jim
Farley going but our new fully updated
electric architecture is basically where
we want to focus because we've learned
on Pro what we've learned on Pro is we
can make real money on software he says
it kind of a little bit creepily but the
point is they're dreaming to be Tesla
that's the point is the competitors are
dreaming to be Tesla and basically the
Wall Street Journal is making fun of
them here they're making fun of
Volkswagen and they're making fun of
Ford by showing they're not even close
now look even GM suggests our aim is to
have industry leading margins they don't
they don't break out what their margins
are because they're probably so
miserable so for GM and Volkswagen
they're not competitors to Tesla now
there is a risk factor though and Morgan
Stanley believes the risk factor despite
having a 220 price Target on Tesla and
holding an over rate rating for the
stock which means they lack it
uh they believe that EV price cuts are
not a fad but instead are a trend uh and
they think basically more price cuts are
going to come and that investors should
anticipate further price Cuts even uh if
basically Tesla isn't the one cutting
see they say here one of the reasons
analysts believe prices will continue to
drop is competition if Tesla doesn't cut
prices someone else will that's Morgan
Stanley's take I actually completely
disagree I completely disagree with this
so why do I disagree well I believe that
the entire industry doesn't have any
room to cut prices anymore byd takes
three percent to net Tesla takes 17 to
net on electric well that's actually the
entire business for both of those
companies then when you look at four GM
and Volkswagen they're basically all
losing money on their EVS how can the
rest of the industry cut prices they
can't be a price leader because they
have no PP they have no pricing power
they don't control price who controls
price Tesla does as soon as Tesla cut
what happened
Neo byd dealerships uh Volkswagen Ford
GM all of them cut prices they didn't
cut prices first because they don't they
can't
Tesla did so I actually disagree that
even if others uh even if Tesla doesn't
drop prices others will and then that'll
somehow subsequently lead Tesla cut
prices I don't see that but maybe now in
response to commodity Steve my boy Steve
over here uh this is the only person
that my son knows because he knows that
Steve likes gold like Steve from
Minecraft
Steve says Volkswagen is spending 190
180 to 190 billion on battery plants and
securing raw material supply over the
next five years that's a huge amount of
money what will hurt Volkswagen is
higher energy prices in Germany due to
no more natural gas from Russia the raw
material price of battery Metals is not
going to drop between now and 2026. it
will stay roughly flat or increase I
think increase well
fairness Steve is all in on the comms
all in on the commodities
I'm not I don't think Commodities
actually have pricing power but I got
this for you Steve I did I I had to do
it man I had to do it I had to do it
Morgan Stanley and the Reuters piece
here falling lithium prices have also
contributed to price Cuts spot prices
for China's lithium carbonate have
fallen sharply to just below 40K a ton
as the latest status shows China's
battery production is still still
significantly exceeds installations in
other words a glut of battery supply uh
is sort of building up and that is
because to some degree EV demand is
slowing so we are actually seeing some
of that slowing start affecting
commodity prices I personally am of the
mindset that Commodities while they
might be necessary I think they have hit
as sort of a speculative bubble where
they have speculatively been ridden up
because people believe they're going to
be so necessary and I think that is
creating a little bit of a bubbling
there now don't get me wrong commodity
prices are still substantially higher
than where they have been in the past
but the point of this is not to
discredit Steve even though that would
be fun and I'll still have a beer with
Steve I understand commodity prices are
still higher and I respect Steve what's
worth first noting though is that this
is actually a very good thing who's it
who whom is this good for whom is this
good for it's actually good for EVS that
are still selling which would be like
Teslas right as it compared to like
Fords where your production line is
stuck
uh or GM even shut down their production
line for a period so whom is this good
for well it's good for EVS that are
still selling so that would be Tesla and
byd but who else is it good for well
it's also good for battery sellers like
Generac uh and and face when those
battery costs come down right so uh that
that is that's you know it's actually a
good thing uh so we are prepared for
Price Cuts uh to be an established
feature though says Morgan Stanley as
Supply demand continues to change we
would prepare for potentially lower
margins and that could potentially
create more opportunistic entry points
for the stock
huh okay that's where I have to actually
somewhat agree with Morgan Stanley while
I do not believe that uh uh you know
other EVS are going to drive pricing
cuts at Tesla I do think Morgan Stanley
is potentially correct in that yeah
maybe
maybe uh lower margins are going to be
coming and I think q1 is probably going
to hurt for Tesla and maybe that's why
Elon Musk to kind of Go full circle is
yapping about this idea of a 25 BP cut
the reason for that is I really think
that Elon uh well I mean we know this we
know he has a an early look on this we
know in the last earnings call the
expectation set was that margins could
go down to 20 but I don't think Wall
Street is convinced that we're going to
get 20 yet so I'm a little nervous for
that next earnings report
combining Elon Morgan Stanley and what
was said in the last earnings call I I'm
not short-term YOLO Tesla uh I do not
believe we're going to revisit the lows
we've had on Tesla
could we trade sideways and maybe test
out that you know around the ones I
don't know that we're gonna even break
170 if we do it wouldn't be that great
but 170 175 around those got some pretty
good support I just don't see us
escaping from that until after we get
past the the q1 era unless of course we
had an incredibly bullish fad tomorrow
which which is always a potential but uh
but but I remain I remain unconvinced
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short term little bearish Elon uh
margins short-term bearish especially
through this next uh uh quarter report
which comes out in April probably around
4 20 actually actually I wonder if it's
scheduled that would be funny let's see
here Tesla earnings report date let's
see if uh oh missed opportunity 419 so
that's less than a month away we've
already got Tesla earnings coming up so
I think you're going to have a fear
trade going into Tesla earnings usually
Tesla stock trends down after earnings
uh and after events any kind of events
tend to push Tesla down lower as well
because well the events are just not as
juicy to to the broader Wall Street
Market they're due to see the long-term
investors they're fantastic for long
termers but in the short term events and
reports seem to be more negative than
positive so anyway uh 419 mark your
calendar for that I do actually think
that event actually these these falling
commodity prices will help but I don't
think they're falling quickly enough to
actually get Tesla back to higher
margins soon remember what they told us
in the last earnings call and the last
earnings call they said yeah probably
trending closer to 20 and then it'll
take us a few years to get back to 30
margins so they did set the expectations
but I personally think nobody really
paid attention to what they said in that
earnings call so I think there's uh
there's going to be a
a little oopsie doopsy there
um
so we'll see but yeah Elon asking for a
50 BP cut I think is a little bit of a
red flag too so again short-term bearish
long-term bullish I really don't think
the competition has pricing power uh or
or holds a candle but I'll I'll use it
as a a bite of the dip off after I
recorded this segment Kathy Wood
actually gave her perspective so let's
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got to ask you about Tesla Kathy um I
know it's you're one of your favorites
and your top Holdings still always a
Battleground the latest concern from
investors is about margins so so they've
been taking these price cuts which we
debated last time and even if that's
catalyzing demand at what costs is that
a reason for concern
well I think uh Tesla has an Elon Musk
in particular has said that he will pass
along any cost declines that uh that uh
Tesla is enjoying and I think that's
what's going on right now uh and uh I
think he's in a position to drive prices
down much more quickly than most other
manufacturers save for some in China and
I think there's deflation in Auto prices
taking place in China
I think Tesla LED that and byd followed
and so there's a deflationary tug there
which is actually going to accelerate
this shift from gas powered vehicles to
electric vehicles which is something
that Tesla wants so we think uh the the
the
mistaken assumption here is that Tesla
has to cut prices because of competition
uh Tesla we think can drive prices down
because its costs are moving down a
particularly battery and drivetrain
costs faster than most other
manufacturers so I think the key out of
what Kathy said while a lot of it is
similar to what I said maybe she was
watching me as I I'm just kidding I'm
not trying to
actually think that I think many people
can have a very similar opinion uh but
um
I think the key to what Kathy said here
is that Tesla is the leader and they can
drive those price reductions because
they are the leader
unfortunately though I do think we're
not a hundred percent at that level yet
that is even though Tesla is the leader
in pricing Cuts their margin will suffer
short term first and then in the long
run I think come back so I think um I
think right now Tesla if I were to you
know what maybe I can visually describe
this a little bit better I think Tesla
right now is shooting ahead of the
Running Deer uh and so that's a fancy
way of saying look if if this is a deer
right here there we go uh there it's got
horns I don't know do deers have horn
whatever so here's your deer uh and it's
running that way really fast you want to
point your gun depending on how far away
you are kind of like here right
something like that I don't know maybe
that's not the best uh
kind of radical whatever anyway you kind
of want to aim here so so in my opinion
this is a little bit of what you're
getting with Tesla so the way this would
work is drop prices cut prices to where
margins drop to 25 or to 20 from 25
then once you hit your target you get
the loot and you end up going back to 25
to 30 percent as your cost declines
actually catch up but I do think we
still have this period of Time ahead of
us but yes I I agree with Kathy Wood
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