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Cathie Wood FIGHTS BACK (Michael Burry's New Big Short).

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kathy wood hits back at michael murray

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so we heard that michael bury is

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shorting kathy woods ark invest which is

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not a surprise we have seen the short

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interest percentage skyrocket at uh

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throughout this year of kathy woods arc

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funds specifically well arc

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k arc innovation in fact if we go to the

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let's go to the year-to-date chart

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uh on arc k here

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we could see

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just above my head here this chart

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showing rk basically going from next to

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no short

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to uh as high as 13.86 percent short at

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one point presently sitting at 12.96

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percent short on rk it's it's really if

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you want a short innovation you want to

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short high p e stocks kathy's a great

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one to shore

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if that's what you wanted to do so let's

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see how kathy responded

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kathy wood laid out her case for why her

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firm has for months been pairing

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holdings tied to chinese tech holdings

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okay well

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that's

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i want to hear the response to the

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michael murray part not the i was right

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i'm selling chinese stocks

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the superstar fund manager also rebutted

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investor michael berry there we go after

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he gets together bet against here we go

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i think that china u.s saber rattling

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which has intensified under this

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administration a surprise to me is

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bringing more activity back home okay

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yes this is true

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we thought

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conventional wisdom was that chinese us

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relations would actually be better under

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biden than under trump

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and they've actually been worse

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which it was a big surprise so yeah that

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is true that was a surprise uh all right

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then uh the supply chain reorganization

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is going to be positive for the u.s and

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it'll be somewhat negative for china in

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a tweet tuesday she also hit back at

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buri the big short

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uh or who got famous through the the big

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short in 2000 you know in the 2008

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financial crisis but anyway

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okay here let's see owns a bearish put

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contract against

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235 000 shares of arc innovation

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wood said in her tweet that she doesn't

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think bury understands the fundamentals

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that are creating explosive growth and

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investment opportunities in the

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innovation

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space did she really say that she said

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she doesn't she doesn't think he

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understands that i mean i personally

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think he understands it i think he's

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trying to go in and out you know he's

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trying to trade this stuff uh he's back

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on twitter by the way i guess is he no i

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don't know if that's actually him

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because he keeps

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no because usually i don't know he keeps

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deleting his twitter let's go to kathy

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i'm gonna assume that's not him

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uh okay so kathy

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yes she did look at this

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uh

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hold on this is the second row of tweets

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here oh we've we've got a we've got a

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lot of tweets here let's break this down

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here look at this

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most bears seem to believe that

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inflation will continue to accelerate

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shortening investment time horizons and

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destroying valuations despite what we

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believe has been a supply chain related

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short-term burst in inflation both

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equities and bonds have appreciated

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since march

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uh and okay

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unlike the tech and telecom bubble this

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equity bull market has broadened beyond

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the innovation strategies that boomed

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last year to value and other stocks that

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trailed okay she's made this argument

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before basically she's saying look when

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when

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you start seeing the rally go beyond

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innovation to other stocks like target

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or simon property group or cheesecake

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factory or whatever right then that's a

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sign that when those bubble up then then

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soon you'll be able to have this cycle

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back towards tech and innovation

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bubbling up again likely more than the

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others had but that these things go in

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waves this makes sense the bull market

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has also strengthened setting the stage

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for what we believe will be another leg

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up in innovation strategies which

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obviously right now are kind of in the

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pooper the last

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six months have been very difficult for

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innovation strategies since february

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you know arc has had pain there's been a

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lot of pain since mid-february the

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equity market is likely to reward

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disruptive innovation strategies once

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again

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when headline inflation breaks or fears

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of recession increase well that's

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interesting

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these are two things that she's saying

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she thinks that uh we're going to see

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innovation do well again once we see

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that inflection point downwards in

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inflation which i've regularly talked

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about september to october readings

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which would be october to november for

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that downward inflection but delta could

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really delay this

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uh or fears of recession so in other

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words she's saying maybe innovation

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stocks could be a flight to safety i

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actually have to disagree with her

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because i think folks fear the potential

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of higher inflation and a recession

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which if you have a fear of higher

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inflation and a recession i don't know

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that innovation is going to be your

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destination

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uh and that's certainly not what the

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market's pricing in right now so i kind

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of disagree with the second part of the

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statement here anyway if the bond market

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is correct one or both will be obvious

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during the next three to six months what

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she's saying here is look at the 10-year

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yield the 10-year yields at 1.24

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the bond market is obviously pricing in

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an inflection point to the downside in

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inflation and the bond market could be

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giving you a heads-up

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of this of this uh inflection point

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coming

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since mid-may a number of commodity

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prices have been breaking down okay so

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now she's referencing this this sort of

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collapse in commodities which

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commodities had been seen as this this

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uh inflection point in inflation to the

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upside

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and that uh now we're actually seeing

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commodity prices fall and that's clearly

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an indication that inflation is on its

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way down this is uh this is you know

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something uh that kathy would believe

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now uh this is also true uh we talked

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about this about two weeks ago

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that uh car sales are flattening or

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declining the bloomberg she clearly

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reads bloomberg regularly because

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bloomberg was talking about this like

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two weeks ago uh so this is true

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uh the deflation in commodity prices is

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cyclical but is adding to cyclical

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secular forces that cause uh caused by

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technologically dis uh enable disorder

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okay basically what she's saying is look

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commodity prices go up and down but

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because they're going down now you're

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seeing them go down potentially

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with uh the same time as you have

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deflationary forces from technology and

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innovation bringing prices down uh this

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is her same this is her arguments about

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deflation the different forms of

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deflation good deflation which is

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innovation or bad deflation which is

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basically like hey you guys are gonna go

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bankrupt because your products are old

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and you suck and now you have to lower

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prices because of that uh and now you're

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going to go out of business right these

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these are the same arguments we've heard

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her make many many many a time which is

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fine

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these are fine so far i agree with

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everything she's saying

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uh and a lot of this has been written on

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the wall and written on bloomberg for a

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few weeks now

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uh with the exception of this this

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comment here that she believes

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innovation will do well if recession

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fears increase i don't believe in this

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one i do believe in the headline

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inflation breaking because i i don't see

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if

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innovation right now is a flight to

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safety asset i just don't see the market

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believing that so if we are correct gdp

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and revenue growth will diminish until

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the opportunities in nascent

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technologies begin to move macro needles

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okay now what she's saying is

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we're going to see a softening in in

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earnings or revenues at companies

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until the little tiny little baby

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companies like nano dimensions start

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actually making some real money some big

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boy money

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got it

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i don't know about that i think it's

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gonna be a while for a nano dimension

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moving the needle in our view the seats

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for innovation explosion that arc invest

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is dedicated to researching were planted

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20 years during the 20 years ending with

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the tech and telecom bus yeah so she's

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made this argument before that basically

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uh

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we're not in another a dot-com bubble

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nah that that now we actually have the

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correct technology for a real bubble uh

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i'm sorry not for a real bubble for real

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explosive growth uh that that is

8:28

real versus bubble which is generally

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associated with fake anyway to his

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credit michael barry made a great call

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based on fundamentals and recognized the

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collab calamity brewing in the housing

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mortgage market i do not believe that he

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understands the fundamentals that are

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creating explosive growth and investment

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opportunities in the innovation space

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no that's a that's a kathy slam here

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she's basically saying like

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the only reason people care about

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michael bury is because he was right one

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time

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during the great recession and it was a

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big right he did well it was great the

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fundamentals were screaming

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red flags everywhere

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but

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by her saying this

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she is flipping the script basically

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saying

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he's not understanding the fundamentals

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today and therefore he's wrong she's

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saying look he was right then about

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fundamentals but he's wrong now

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kind of interesting

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kind of interesting this is this is a

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good kathy slam here kathy's going

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defensive i love it oh this is like it's

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like uh

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financial people fighting they exchange

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tweets

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that's great

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uh

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yeah okay that that was that was the

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whole tweet uh trend uh thread there

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rather so

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very interesting

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nice kathy wood sort of slap back here

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at uh michael bury again i uh and we've

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covered a lot of these things before so

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not a lot of surprises uh in in her

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tweet here

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but uh

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we might give this a brief listen here

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it's only a minute long uh not a lot of

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surprises of what she's saying we've

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covered a lot of this before it is very

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interesting though that she's

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essentially bluntly saying michael berry

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was right about the fundamentals in the

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past but he's dead wrong right now she

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is digging her heels in very interesting

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i do disagree with her though that

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people are going to flee to innovation

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stocks in a recessionary uh as

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recessionary fears increase i i think

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that's that's not correct but uh

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who knows we can have a difference of

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opinion

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um okay let's see here china's crackdown

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stunts innovation okay this so this

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video clip is really just going to talk

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about the chinese crackdown stunning

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innovation okay we know this we already

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kind of got our bottom line from tweets

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here so

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very interesting

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that's kathy wood's slap bag for you now

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remember take a look at that link down

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and joining me on our private or in our

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where we do a lot of q a so folks thank

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you very much for being here i will see

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you all in the next live stream

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