Cathie Wood FIGHTS BACK (Michael Burry's New Big Short).
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kathy wood hits back at michael murray
so we heard that michael bury is
shorting kathy woods ark invest which is
not a surprise we have seen the short
interest percentage skyrocket at uh
throughout this year of kathy woods arc
funds specifically well arc
k arc innovation in fact if we go to the
let's go to the year-to-date chart
uh on arc k here
we could see
just above my head here this chart
showing rk basically going from next to
no short
to uh as high as 13.86 percent short at
one point presently sitting at 12.96
percent short on rk it's it's really if
you want a short innovation you want to
short high p e stocks kathy's a great
one to shore
if that's what you wanted to do so let's
see how kathy responded
kathy wood laid out her case for why her
firm has for months been pairing
holdings tied to chinese tech holdings
okay well
that's
i want to hear the response to the
michael murray part not the i was right
i'm selling chinese stocks
the superstar fund manager also rebutted
investor michael berry there we go after
he gets together bet against here we go
i think that china u.s saber rattling
which has intensified under this
administration a surprise to me is
bringing more activity back home okay
yes this is true
we thought
conventional wisdom was that chinese us
relations would actually be better under
biden than under trump
and they've actually been worse
which it was a big surprise so yeah that
is true that was a surprise uh all right
then uh the supply chain reorganization
is going to be positive for the u.s and
it'll be somewhat negative for china in
a tweet tuesday she also hit back at
buri the big short
uh or who got famous through the the big
short in 2000 you know in the 2008
financial crisis but anyway
okay here let's see owns a bearish put
contract against
235 000 shares of arc innovation
wood said in her tweet that she doesn't
think bury understands the fundamentals
that are creating explosive growth and
investment opportunities in the
innovation
space did she really say that she said
she doesn't she doesn't think he
understands that i mean i personally
think he understands it i think he's
trying to go in and out you know he's
trying to trade this stuff uh he's back
on twitter by the way i guess is he no i
don't know if that's actually him
because he keeps
no because usually i don't know he keeps
deleting his twitter let's go to kathy
i'm gonna assume that's not him
uh okay so kathy
yes she did look at this
uh
hold on this is the second row of tweets
here oh we've we've got a we've got a
lot of tweets here let's break this down
here look at this
most bears seem to believe that
inflation will continue to accelerate
shortening investment time horizons and
destroying valuations despite what we
believe has been a supply chain related
short-term burst in inflation both
equities and bonds have appreciated
since march
uh and okay
unlike the tech and telecom bubble this
equity bull market has broadened beyond
the innovation strategies that boomed
last year to value and other stocks that
trailed okay she's made this argument
before basically she's saying look when
when
you start seeing the rally go beyond
innovation to other stocks like target
or simon property group or cheesecake
factory or whatever right then that's a
sign that when those bubble up then then
soon you'll be able to have this cycle
back towards tech and innovation
bubbling up again likely more than the
others had but that these things go in
waves this makes sense the bull market
has also strengthened setting the stage
for what we believe will be another leg
up in innovation strategies which
obviously right now are kind of in the
pooper the last
six months have been very difficult for
innovation strategies since february
you know arc has had pain there's been a
lot of pain since mid-february the
equity market is likely to reward
disruptive innovation strategies once
again
when headline inflation breaks or fears
of recession increase well that's
interesting
these are two things that she's saying
she thinks that uh we're going to see
innovation do well again once we see
that inflection point downwards in
inflation which i've regularly talked
about september to october readings
which would be october to november for
that downward inflection but delta could
really delay this
uh or fears of recession so in other
words she's saying maybe innovation
stocks could be a flight to safety i
actually have to disagree with her
because i think folks fear the potential
of higher inflation and a recession
which if you have a fear of higher
inflation and a recession i don't know
that innovation is going to be your
destination
uh and that's certainly not what the
market's pricing in right now so i kind
of disagree with the second part of the
statement here anyway if the bond market
is correct one or both will be obvious
during the next three to six months what
she's saying here is look at the 10-year
yield the 10-year yields at 1.24
the bond market is obviously pricing in
an inflection point to the downside in
inflation and the bond market could be
giving you a heads-up
of this of this uh inflection point
coming
since mid-may a number of commodity
prices have been breaking down okay so
now she's referencing this this sort of
collapse in commodities which
commodities had been seen as this this
uh inflection point in inflation to the
upside
and that uh now we're actually seeing
commodity prices fall and that's clearly
an indication that inflation is on its
way down this is uh this is you know
something uh that kathy would believe
now uh this is also true uh we talked
about this about two weeks ago
that uh car sales are flattening or
declining the bloomberg she clearly
reads bloomberg regularly because
bloomberg was talking about this like
two weeks ago uh so this is true
uh the deflation in commodity prices is
cyclical but is adding to cyclical
secular forces that cause uh caused by
technologically dis uh enable disorder
okay basically what she's saying is look
commodity prices go up and down but
because they're going down now you're
seeing them go down potentially
with uh the same time as you have
deflationary forces from technology and
innovation bringing prices down uh this
is her same this is her arguments about
deflation the different forms of
deflation good deflation which is
innovation or bad deflation which is
basically like hey you guys are gonna go
bankrupt because your products are old
and you suck and now you have to lower
prices because of that uh and now you're
going to go out of business right these
these are the same arguments we've heard
her make many many many a time which is
fine
these are fine so far i agree with
everything she's saying
uh and a lot of this has been written on
the wall and written on bloomberg for a
few weeks now
uh with the exception of this this
comment here that she believes
innovation will do well if recession
fears increase i don't believe in this
one i do believe in the headline
inflation breaking because i i don't see
if
innovation right now is a flight to
safety asset i just don't see the market
believing that so if we are correct gdp
and revenue growth will diminish until
the opportunities in nascent
technologies begin to move macro needles
okay now what she's saying is
we're going to see a softening in in
earnings or revenues at companies
until the little tiny little baby
companies like nano dimensions start
actually making some real money some big
boy money
got it
i don't know about that i think it's
gonna be a while for a nano dimension
moving the needle in our view the seats
for innovation explosion that arc invest
is dedicated to researching were planted
20 years during the 20 years ending with
the tech and telecom bus yeah so she's
made this argument before that basically
uh
we're not in another a dot-com bubble
nah that that now we actually have the
correct technology for a real bubble uh
i'm sorry not for a real bubble for real
explosive growth uh that that is
real versus bubble which is generally
associated with fake anyway to his
credit michael barry made a great call
based on fundamentals and recognized the
collab calamity brewing in the housing
mortgage market i do not believe that he
understands the fundamentals that are
creating explosive growth and investment
opportunities in the innovation space
no that's a that's a kathy slam here
she's basically saying like
the only reason people care about
michael bury is because he was right one
time
during the great recession and it was a
big right he did well it was great the
fundamentals were screaming
red flags everywhere
but
by her saying this
she is flipping the script basically
saying
he's not understanding the fundamentals
today and therefore he's wrong she's
saying look he was right then about
fundamentals but he's wrong now
kind of interesting
kind of interesting this is this is a
good kathy slam here kathy's going
defensive i love it oh this is like it's
like uh
financial people fighting they exchange
tweets
that's great
uh
yeah okay that that was that was the
whole tweet uh trend uh thread there
rather so
very interesting
nice kathy wood sort of slap back here
at uh michael bury again i uh and we've
covered a lot of these things before so
not a lot of surprises uh in in her
tweet here
but uh
we might give this a brief listen here
it's only a minute long uh not a lot of
surprises of what she's saying we've
covered a lot of this before it is very
interesting though that she's
essentially bluntly saying michael berry
was right about the fundamentals in the
past but he's dead wrong right now she
is digging her heels in very interesting
i do disagree with her though that
people are going to flee to innovation
stocks in a recessionary uh as
recessionary fears increase i i think
that's that's not correct but uh
who knows we can have a difference of
opinion
um okay let's see here china's crackdown
stunts innovation okay this so this
video clip is really just going to talk
about the chinese crackdown stunning
innovation okay we know this we already
kind of got our bottom line from tweets
here so
very interesting
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