wtf ross... Tesla & TSLA Stock.
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well my boy Ross Gerber is back at it
again making headlines last time it was
for wanting to challenge the Tesla board
of directors and run for a seat on the
board at Tesla this time around it's ooh
not being spun as the best news that
Ross Gerber has gotten himself into Ross
Gerber visited
if only you knew Dan Oda danodad is a
dude who's run this technology company a
legacy style technology company that's
created software that has been used by
the likes of the government and in Adas
software and essentially runs a company
that provides software that competes to
some extent with Tesla's full
self-driving him Daniel Dodd has made it
his mission to be critical of FSD and
Elon Musk in Tesla even though allegedly
he owns an original Tesla Roadster
though it's worth noting the original
Tesla Roadster which I also once owned
doesn't have any FSD it's just a dressed
up Lotus Elise with a battery bag in it
so what do we have with Dano Dodd and
Ross Gerber and did we just get another
price uh a downgrade
from another Wall Street Bank a yes in
fact we'll talk about both Morgan
Stanley's downgrade for Tesla and
Goldman Sachs downgrade for Tesla in
just a moment
but first
ah we have to look at something that
unfortunately is
not so great and now I'm going to give
my commentary on this and my suspicions
on this I live approximately 40 minutes
away from where this incident occurred
so when I feel better I will visit this
uh area and conduct my own sort of
research and investigation into this uh
but I will tell you upon first viewing
this clip I was uh very disappointed uh
in uh in
um well I'll I'll give you my commentary
after I play it
um so let's uh go ahead and play this
clip which is unfortunate because
I want to say that I truly believe in my
heart Ross Gerber went to visit Dan or
Dodd to show Dan odaw the light the show
danodad how Greatful self-driving has
become and how far it's gone
the problem is and this is what happens
when you enter the the uh the pig pen so
to speak you know when when they say
what's the saying when you wrestle with
pigs you get muddy or you get poop all
over yourself
this isn't to say that anybody's vague
particularly it's just to say when you
wrestle with haters you know you say one
thing wrong and 99 things correctly
oh people will only Elevate the one
thing that was wrong
and Ross Gerber had a sit-down interview
with this gentleman I think people
should listen to it he spent an hour
driving on FSD in Santa Barbara in
almost a perfect manner with the
exception of this one clip and this one
clip is the only thing the internet
cares about of course it has because
that's how the internet works
uh but anyway anybody who actually uses
FSD
knows whole well that FSD is not perfect
you have to pay attention especially at
those Edge case scenarios if you are a
Tesla owner you know where those edge
cases are I get onto certain highways
I'm like ah the car makes me a little
uncomfortable here I take over I get to
certain intersections I'm like oh I'm
going to take over in these areas the
more people feel uncomfortable in those
areas though ironically the less the car
is able to train itself in those areas
but then again people don't want to
actually crash right so anyway I'm going
to show a clip which doesn't look very
good there is context missing though
substantial context missing from this
clip when you see it uh and I think it's
worth actually seeing another clip
before this just to sort of a preview
and and my response to uh Omar on uh
Twitter he's always posting uh excellent
commentary
on uh on Tesla and uh that was right
here he says yesterday I had to take
over to prevent my Tesla from running a
red light due to a weirdly angled
traffic light it responded to the wrong
light basically over here on the right
the light turns green and the car starts
moving uh for uh Omar's interaction
there it is right here but he's actually
got uh a red there it is this one versus
this one uh anyway I commented right
here
I said humans make this mistake daily
ever sit in a left turn
excuse me
ever sit in a left turn and see the
right slash straight Lanes hit the gas
when the left turns green
if you're a driver you know that feeling
you've probably done it yourself because
humans do that all the time and so what
I wrote is
FSD will eventually not make that
mistake but humans will always make that
mistake that's why full self-driving is
seen as at least two and a half if not
ten times as safe as a human driver
without any Adas so
with that said and with the prefaces out
of the way uh and yes you can't remove
all of your biases everybody knows that
everybody knows I'm a Tesla investor uh
Tesla's uh you know it's it's in my fund
it's exposed personally in all of that
right but I always like to look at
things objectively and I have to say
when I first watched this video I was
very disappointed but I'll show some
context afterwards so let's go ahead and
start well we're not really starting
anymore but let's get into the actual
clippity doodly here
no she's not a real deadhead she's never
seen the Dead all right here we go we're
gonna get killed by this guy
it's on FSD now in real life I would not
wait for this all right I disengaged
yeah
Ross took over that it hesitated then it
decided to go buy it and then it was
like no
this is a problem
but um
oh
there we go that was you breaking I
break
uh I wasn't gonna wait and find out
because I saw the two cars going at each
other so I wasn't gonna test that one
okay so that was obviously not a very
good look now we can break this down
right here there's been a lot of
speculation around this before Oh my
gosh I'm sorry before we break this down
you need to see context the context that
was very very important that is highly
missing from this video highly missing
for this video and you should not go a
second further without this context
is this
look at where the stop sign is actually
positioned the stop sign is actually
positioned about 20 feet at least a car
length if not 25 feet
from the stop line
the problem with this and I will tell
you in these old neighborhoods
especially in Santa Barbara this is a
problem
the problem with this is I'm going to
use this star to simulate
uh a driver okay uh coming from the
other side a normal driver
a normal driver sees nobody at the stop
line which is right here right and what
does a normal driver do
they cut that line
everyone cuts the freaking line on a
left turn that's humans everybody does
that I'm not making excuses just saying
that's what humans do
you're supposed to drive out and then
make your left but people don't do that
okay people don't do this because it
takes more effort they're just going to
eat
okay so
understanding that about humans is very
important one two understanding the
distance of this stop sign from the
actual stop line very important
next
what else is very important to
understand
after
uh
uh we pass this this vehicle here uh
that uh Ross dodged after we passed this
vehicle you could see Ross takeover
and then he adjusts the wheel right here
by scrolling up this is a way of telling
the car to go faster right and Ross
doesn't live in this area so he doesn't
know about this stop sign coming up Dan
probably does there you go you can see
autopilot getting engaged and uh the car
set it looks like it's set to a little
bit faster than where we're going now
yep yep yep yep in fact if you look very
closely right here you can see the 38
then you'll see Ross's thumb roll up
pushes it to 40. the number on the right
of the actual speed limit is or the
speed the car is going is the top speed
you're trying to set the car at so you
can see it got set to 40. he let's go
that leads the car to accelerate
what frustrated me is that the car
should not be accelerating here this was
a problem for Tesla I did not like this
when I saw it even before the stop sign
I looked at this and I said no no no no
no the car should not be accelerating
here the car does this it happens
sometimes and I admit that as an FSD
driver I am acutely aware of that and I
am acutely aware that in Curves in turns
Tesla will often turn late in certain
areas now don't take that out of context
it will not always turn late often in
certain areas it will just repeatedly
make the same mistake right and it gets
better and better and better I'll give
you an example there's a lemon Factory
and then a railroad track and then a
sharp turn the recommended speed limit
for that turn is 30 miles an hour
three years ago my car would take that
at 55 and then not until after the turn
and it was like basically out of its
Lane realize it screwed up
today it slows to about 42 doesn't leave
the lane anymore that's pretty much more
clear that's a lot closer to a human
driver I'd probably take that turn in
about 38. so it's still a little on edge
but it's gotten substantially better so
if 38 is ideal it used to do 50 and now
it's at 42. it's getting better
but if this stuff takes time right
obviously it takes time but I will say
when I first watched this video I
cringed because I'm like no the car
should not be accelerating here and this
is not in my opinion and I don't know
but there are a lot of people
speculating on the internet that are
saying oh well Ross's foot is on the gas
pedal uh and they're taking screenshots
of Ross's foot or whatever
I don't believe that uh I believe that
not to say that he's accelerating uh I
believe that to say that a lot of FSD
drivers leave their foot where the car
is acting so if the car is driving you
hover your foot over the gas the reason
people do that is a lot of people put
their feet just flat on the floor but
that's not in my opinion as deal because
it actually slows your reaction speed to
get to the break I mean just imagine it
for a second wheel if your foot's
hovering over the gas it's a lot easier
for you to step on the brake and move
over because you don't have to lift your
foot and then hit the brake you just
move over and step right it's like it's
one motion as opposed to two motions
well think about it a stomp is like a
lift and a step whereas the the move
over and break is kind of like one Fell
Swoop right so a lot of FSD drivers
actually do hover their feet over
whatever the action of the vehicle is or
is supposed to be at that time so like
if I'm coming up to or red light I take
my foot off the gas I hover it over the
brake so that way if the car were to
screw up or whatever I break
the point you're still paying attention
to some extent right uh it takes the
whole point of FSD at least at this
point in my opinion with how few
disengagement it has now disengagements
it has now the whole point is to take
some a lot of that stress off of driving
and really to be an assistant to be a
partner uh to your driving eventually
it'll just completely take over uh and
to many regards it already has
but anyway then uh so I don't I don't
think Ross is hitting the gas here this
is the car accelerating so you see this
right here going from 33 and up this is
the car accelerating
now
Ross actually and this in my opinion is
why Ross
is not accelerating is he feels the car
is going fast he feels the car going
fast here he knows he's coming up on a
stop sign and the car is accelerating
watch Ross scroll down on this wheel
you're actually going to see that 40 the
limit for the car go down to about 38.37
there's the scroll down takes it he
actually takes it down to about 35.
now we see the stop side and you'll see
Ross grabbed the wheel
a little more firmly there with his
right hand where whereas previously he
wasn't holding now he's like uh oh I
might have to take over I'm gonna hold
the wheel here
keep in mind there's the stop line about
25 feet after the stop sign
now remember what I said about when
people turn they cut that line I promise
you this car is cutting that line at
least from what I see
that car is positioned almost perfectly
to cut right over that s and the T of
this now it's hard to tell perfectly but
that car is not expecting a car to be at
the stop line if if Ross were at that
stop line
that car uh would have come out straight
much more than it did look at the gap
between this vehicle and this vehicle
these vehicles see where this car
stopped on the other side right see the
car on the far side stopped right
these cars should have virtually no gap
between them
there is there's almost enough of a gap
between those cars that you could fit a
third car in between those two left
turning cars
and to picture that for a moment on a
narrow intersection like this there
should be no Gap
because everybody should be taking the
turn appropriately
let me draw that for you really quickly
so if I draw the intersection like this
oh my gosh this reminds me of police
explorer days
um if we're gonna go from uh this Lane
and there's assuming there's a car at
the stop sign we actually make the
correct bow let's use Aura purple here
we should be having some kind of turn
like this
and then you should be able to have
another car
at the same time
do some kind of turn like this right
there shouldn't be much of a gap uh
between those two vehicles right here
this shouldn't be much of a gap but
because that white SUV took more of a
this approach and then you kind of see
them like course correct here because
they see Ross come up you actually get
this
this look look at this they turned more
and then they kind of straighten early
and actually turn their wheels to the
right see Wheels turned left turn their
wheels to the to the right a little bit
to avoid Ross because they were cutting
them off
worth noting now am I oh oh sorry I uh
was supposed to switch back here yeah
yeah look look at the wheels turn here
with the wheels are ready to cut the the
line off
and then you could see the car's Wheels
turn somewhat to the right and
straightened out there
so is this
an excuse for FSD no FSD screwed up it
went to that stop sign too fast
absolutely a screw-up it should not have
approached the stop sign that quickly
absolutely not I can't forgive what the
FSD did there even though that stop line
is 25 feet behind that stop sign that
was a mistake the car went too fast I
believe it would have stopped but I
would have taken over as well so fair
takeover the car was going too fast Ross
realized it as well that's why he
scrolled the wheel back and slowed down
but unfortunately the Optics of this the
Optics of that clip do not show you all
of the context now we need to get into
Morgan Stanley we need to get into the
Goldman Sachs uh um
uh downgrades but but first
uh It's Quickly worth looking at some of
the drama Ross says I will ask you
nicely once to remove and discontinue
false advertising that includes my image
and likeness without my permission
thanks real Dano Dodd Daniel Dodge
should have gotten a release signed by
Ross before uh uh
before putting this out there but uh
anyway so um Dano Dodd replies then what
will you do ask me not nicely or will
you demand a cage match
anyway Daniel Dot's going off on Twitter
uh he's you know screaming this video
confirms Tesla full self-driving runs a
stop sign your quick reaction saved us
remember the problem with the stop sign
is the stop line is not visible in the
video uh and so it's a great opportunity
for everybody to sort of bag on on Tesla
here uh and it's unfortunately for Ross
making the mainstream news uh I think
the Daily Mail was covering this uh with
FSD uh and and some other mainstream
agencies news agencies were
uh blaming this this you know FSD
failure or whatever so expect more drama
about this uh again uh with context
I think it's a little bit more
understanding but I personally think the
card which is going too fast uh that's
my take so
um so what else do we have here uh Steve
Steve no no like and then I want to get
into this this commentary here
specifically about the the downgrades
but no Steve of course you're going to
course correct slightly into the right
but the point is
they they would have it's not like they
swerve to the right you know they they
were cutting off that stops I don't
think there's a question they didn't see
a vehicle there so of course they didn't
leave enough room that SUV I'm not
saying the SUVs at fault here I'm just
saying it was a contributor to why the
video looked the way it did uh that's it
uh the Tesla does not acknowledge where
the stop sign is and you have to know
that about the software for example say
somebody here says when Tesla passed the
stop sign uh stop sign ahead it should
have slowed down I agree with you I
don't actually think it it fully pays
attention to the signs as much as it
should just like it doesn't pay
attention to the recommended speed in a
turn slides
uh uh at least I don't think it does
not my experience
um so I agree with you but Teslas are
looking for the Stop line and that's
that's probably a problem and and I
agree with you it was going too fast
there so don't get me wrong I agree with
you I agree with you that Tesla is going
too fast and then I want to make that
clear now let's get into some of these
downgrades
so uh last week we had a Morgan Stanley
downgrade and uh going into today we are
getting a uh Goldman Sachs downgrade
let's start with Goldman Sachs
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all right so what do we have here
Tesla downgrade to neutral with stock
now better reflecting on positive
long-term View
so usually what happens is these
analysts
frequently I shouldn't maybe say usually
but frequently the stock goes up
everybody upgrades the stock the stock
starts ticking down they all downgrade
to neutral
stock goes down longer they all go
bearish it seems like they follow price
action I don't know if it's the chicken
or the egg but let's look at what
they're saying because it actually isn't
that bearish we think the market is now
giving the stock more credit for longer
term opportunities
uh we think there has been less price
discounting from Tesla than investors
feared for Q2
and vehicle inventory seem to be falling
faster in Q2 than expected in fact I do
want to say my Tesla referral code
when you go to uh
metcaven.com Tesla it's jumped like 20
it was like it was like 98 oh more than
that it was like 98 and now it's at 127
Tesla referrals so I think I made like
30 Tesla referrals in the last
I don't know 30 days it's kind of nuts I
could buy some more Tesla short shorts
or you could get like some Tesla models
which check this out
speaking of model I have not shown this
off yet look what came in the mail I
didn't pay for this uh I I would I bet
this was expensive but um
this was given to me by the person who
sold me my plane and uh it's a really
cool gift it is a uh custom uh model of
the exact plane and the exact I can't
really get my camera to focus on it
exact plane and exact paint scheme of my
plane how cool is that
it's even got my future new tail number
on it
69 for PP
hey
cool I love this thing my kids are like
Daddy let me play with it I'm like no
this is my toy plane
mostly because Max
tangent quick tangent Max takes the
planes and he's like look daddy
holy no uh
anyway
okay so where were we uh no we still
expect pricing to decline in the second
half of 2023 is supply and demand come
into more of a balance uh it says
Goldman Sachs but we are seeing more of
an inventory cell through in Q2 and less
pricing pain than we expected is uh what
Goldman is suggesting here
uh they do suggest that the charging
Network and FSD will be limited
near-term contributors to earnings per
share but more long-term beneficiaries
uh for the stock and they suggest that
Tesla is well positioned for long-term
growth I always think it's crazy that
when you have these these companies
these analysts are like oh this is a
company that's that's positioned for
long-term growth
and then they downgrade the stock
it's crazy uh anyway uh third generation
platform oh right these are the next
catalysts right so they touch on uh gen
3 your your uh 50 vehicle cost reduction
trying to get to that 25 000 car the
Cyber truck oh my gosh have you seen the
Cyber truck uh videos that have been
circulating if you haven't seen the
Cyber truck videos you're about to see
the Cyber truck videos because
they're showing the Cyber truck with the
freaking rear wheel rotating and I'm
like I thought that was gonna be
clickbait not only moves like 10 but
this is like straight up
warthog
if anybody played Halo and I'm talking
all the original I'm talking OG okay I'm
like Halo one Combat Evolved baby the
enemy has captured Captain keys and
they're holding him important enemy girl
whatever anyway the warthog's wheels
turn in the back to help you make a turn
and uh this was remarkable to me just
watch the back wheel turn slightly as
they make this tight turn it's like oh
my gosh see the back wheels turning out
as the front wheel is turning right to
tighten the turn radius
[Laughter]
it's amazing
amazing so uh anyway back to where we
were uh Goldman Sachs EPS for this next
cycle not good it's only a 275. the
market has Tesla at 350 right now uh and
then you get to about roughly in line so
these are in line this is very low very
very low
and they acknowledge that I mean they
well they say slightly below I'm like uh
no like 15 to 20 below
it's not slightly in my opinion but
whatever they believe that Q2 deliveries
are doing well tracking uh for 445 to
450 uh the Tesla cars are awesome they
have efficiency uh this this opening the
charging network is just gonna actually
help Tesla not only expand the pie of
charging Revenue but create more
charging stations
they did say that part of the reason for
their downgrade
sorry uh was that
AMD and Nvidia are now trading for 42
and 55 times
uh the next 12 months earnings and
Tesla's sitting at 93 times
I think if you use the correct EPS it's
not that bad but yes all of these
companies have gotten significantly more
expensive they were all under a 1.5 Peg
when I bought the crap out of them at
the end of last year
now they're all above a two Peg again
Peg is PE divided by growth anyway
expected growth so what about Morgan
Stanley well Morgan Stanley's got a
piece too but Morgan Stanley's always
got a piece
um is that inappropriate anyway uh so I
just need to find it oh oopsies I put it
on my other iPad I have it I'll have it
in just one second
so oh here we go so the Morgan Stanley
uh downgrade was a last week end of last
week it's right here
so they have a price target of 250
they are moving to an equal weight their
bulk case is actually 450. 450 on the
bull case 90 bucks for the bear case
uh so then we have I did not see this
111 percent year-to-date rally coming it
says Morgan Stanley uh while the team
has defended Tesla as an overweight
rating they didn't expect this
we are not trying to call the end of the
Tesla rally uh
uh so in other words they're just trying
to say like we're not trying to be the
Bears here okay uh they actually call it
a must-owned stock in any EV portfolio
quite frankly I think it should be a
must-stone stock in any portfolio let me
be clear for The Regulators watching I
respect you this is not personalized
Financial advice this is this is bad
Market commentary anyway
um some investors may feel inclined to
play the positive momentum we believe
the stock upside from here must come uh
despite our view of continued downside
SKU uh uh basically they're saying look
you've got
you've got some near-term technical
risks for the stock probably
contributing to their their uh
downgrade but longer term uh in their
bullish scenario it's it's you have to
you have to own it uh and of course they
talk about uh you know TBD how the
autonomous section of AI uh for Tesla
FSD will play out
but take a look at this this I thought
was interesting
despite the recent rally we expect
material negative revisions for Tesla
consensus earnings forecast and continue
to expect a long-term trend of price
decreases and average price declines at
Tesla driven by intensifying competition
with Chinese EV players and slowing
Consumer Auto purchases
so Goldman said this as well
and what does Kevin say
this isn't to say that Kevin knows
everything I definitely don't I'm just
saying
I think
Tesla will go free cash flow negative
and might have to raise money okay
I've said it before I'll say it again it
doesn't make me a bear but I do think
there's a there's a risk that there will
be an offering uh of either shares
convertibles uh some new debt financing
they've got way too many gigafactories
building at the same time right now with
even more announcements coming uh I I
you know you got the expansion of Nevada
Northeast Mexico Berlin Texas it's
um
it's going to be very expensive anyway
so they're questioning uh have we gone
through
the the worst of it for Tesla do we
still have some potential headwinds I
think we absolutely have headwinds I
actually think though that those are the
remaining headwinds so I I want to be
clear
if if Tesla is uh let's say um
all right you ready for this
um let's say over here this is like a a
nasty swampy nasty mosquito-filled Marsh
okay and uh and the Beautiful the
beautiful Heavenly maiden and the sexy
valley is over here this way in that
direction over there you know we're
probably we're probably like right there
and uh and there's still a bog monster
right here at the bog monster is like
come into my pit uh
so in other words you still have to get
through this this short-term negativity
uh which could be what I just said an
offering negative free cash flow a
margin decline uh these are all short
term we know that Tesla is going to
survive this
obviously we highly expect that like we
know that Tesla will make it here past
the bog monster we know Tesla's going to
make it there we just don't know what
that this this transition is like is it
like this is it like we're gonna skip
over the bog monster we're gonna go
through the bog monster or we're gonna
get bogged and then come back who knows
uh but but once once we get through that
you know the light's already there it's
just a matter of getting through that my
take
stay away from the bog monster
don't yell at me if there's a short-term
correction
but of course if it rallies it was
completely am I doing
just like uh when we convinced Elon to
advertise and started the longest Tesla
rally ever
patting myself on the back I did that
I'm taking all credit for it screw you
Okay so uh the rise of Chinese ovms uh
look China's entire economy is slowing
down so you know I do think there's a
risk factor in China uh there there
there's there's a real risk in China and
Tesla does sell a lot of vehicles in
China uh although uh we know that the
Giga Shanghai is is a big export Market
it'd still be nice to sell them locally
uh it'll it'll keep margins propped up
and so you do have some risks over here
uh okay cool uh so what else we have
here Tesla has been losing share in
China since the peak of 2020. I I I I I
I oh losing share to who wait I'm sorry
we have to fix the grammar losing share
to
whom uh and that would actually be
yd
remember folks okay if the answer is to
him then it's whom if it is to he then
it is who sorry uh anyway yeah I mean
byd is is obviously your killer over
there mostly because the hybrids are
incredibly affordable uh byd's pure EV
sales were declining relative to Tesla
and q1 but their hybrids are just so
affordable and with the crushed economy
over there it it for some people just
doesn't make the sense to make that leap
to Pure EV right now
we think that Tesla might have been
caught up in the Ava AI multiple premium
given the recent wave of Interest
surrounding technology and excuse me
where's the talk about Tesla being
willing to advertise and that being the
Catalyst what is this
um
this is like this is like chat GPT
trying to convince uh me the other day
that Chris Hanson was the person who
convinced Elon Musk to advertise I I
chatted back to it I'm like WTF Chris
Hanson wasn't even there and it's like
oh my apologies it was actually YouTuber
Kevin pafrath oh my God
anyway
bear case here we've been we they
include uh Tesla Mobility at zero
dollars bear case is only 5.5 million
units by 2030. 5.5 million units is like
my expectation for like 2020 and a
little earlier than that a few years
earlier than that uh base case for them
is actually 7.9 million units by 2030.
and uh then then they actually give them
10 million units by uh 2030 on the bull
case uh although you'll get some like
Elon aiming for 20. uh million units we
shall see that cyber truck might be a
big hit I'm excited about it I mean the
more I see about the Cyber truck the
more excited I get about it that's for
sure
so um
yeah uh that uh that's what I've got for
uh for the Tesla update uh I'm gonna go
uh play with my pee pee now here I go
look at that
I'm gonna end up dropping it
uh it'll shatter them actually I think
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