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The Coming Collapse of AirBnB & Short-term Rentals.

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hey everyone me Kevin here is it Airbnb

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about to collapse so far we have been

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told by Airbnb that demand is still high

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and strong and everything is good don't

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worry here there is no problem at Airbnb

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at the same time we've seen virtually

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every single real estate company seize

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up but airline travel is still pretty

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dang strong and so it makes me wonder

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maybe Airbnb is right maybe Airbnb is

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the exception in the real estate world

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where Redfin is closing down their home

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flipping business and now laying off

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over a total of 27 of their staff this

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year you've got Zillow that got out of

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the home flipping business last year and

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they've started laying people off you've

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got Open Door who's uh or even was a

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SPAC home flipper that now is deciding

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they don't really want to be a home

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flipper anymore and they want to become

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a housing Marketplace nobody knows what

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the hell they're doing in in real estate

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and it's probably because they haven't

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taken the zero to millionaire real

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below but you've got companies like

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Airbnb that have quite frankly been

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killing it and again it makes sense

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because air travel is killing it right

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but is air travel potentially unique

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because see air travels entire Market uh

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that is its availability of flights and

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planes and Pilots the entire available

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Marketplace of of airplane tickets has

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actually shrunk by 10 since 2019 but

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demand is a way higher now than what it

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was in 2019 so you've basically got more

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demand going into a smaller box and

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that's why we feel so overwhelmed at

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airports lately with delays too little

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staff and everything just feels like

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chaos it's getting slightly better but

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it still feels pretty bad so this is why

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the airlines are actually doing pretty

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decently and they're able to start

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paying off their debt because they have

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a smaller box and they're just fitting

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more people in it and charging more

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money for it

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so what about Airbnb and are there some

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potential red flags that could indicate

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what Airbnb is telling us isn't actually

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true and could Airbnb be a short

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oh I can't believe I would say that

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because generally meat Kevin doesn't

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short meet Kevin only goes long

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all right so what do we got about Airbnb

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that's making me a little distracted

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well there's this company called vacasa

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they're a uh they're basically like a

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middle person between a platform like

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Airbnb where Airbnb allows you to list

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short-term rentals and people can view

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them and rent them when people do Airbnb

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takes a little cut

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then there's the owner of the property

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somebody who's a landlord who ultimately

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wants to take the leftover money after

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all expenses uh from the Airbnb fees

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that people are paying the total listing

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fees so Airbnb gets their cut and the

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rest generally goes to the owner of the

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property well sometimes there's a

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management company in the middle a

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management company in the middle might

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have their own website where they can

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advertise short-term rentals or they

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might list them on Airbnb they could buy

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property management companies that have

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a bun like a portfolio of properties

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owned by other people and basically they

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go in the middle and there's this this

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company vacasa has given us some really

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interesting insight into the vacation

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rental industry that's quite a bit of a

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contrasting story to what Airbnb is

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telling us then when we compare that to

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what Airbnb actually told us I think the

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red flags start becoming really apparent

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and I'm going to show you in this so

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let's go start with the earnings call

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for vacasa do keep this in mind that if

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airbnbs and this was my expectation just

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based on anecdotes in the market my

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expectation was that airbnbs are

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starting to kind of hit a wall starting

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in in October November I'm hearing a lot

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of people talk about Airbnb sitting a

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wall but I don't want to invest my money

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on anecdotes right I like facts and so

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that's why I was looking at the Airbnb

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conference call and earnings report

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thinking okay like where's the Slowdown

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I'm I'm not seeing this slow down yet

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but are we looking in the rear view

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mirror because you know when you're

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looking at an earnings report from last

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quarter you're looking at September

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August and July which was really the hot

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summer travel season and it was

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definitely a hot summer travel season uh

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so but if you hit a wall now well that's

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going to be a red flag for Q4 and so I

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looked at the vacasa earnings call and

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take a look at what I found

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over here they say our fourth quarter

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Revenue expectations remember they're a

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company that makes money by collecting a

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fee doing vacation rentals potentially

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putting stuff on Airbnb right and then

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whatever is left after the Airbnb fee

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and whatever the owner wants goes to

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vacasa and and people might say well the

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owner just deserves less but if the

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owner deserves less which might be true

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the owner might say I'm just going to

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sell my property and get out of vacation

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rental business I'll just contribute to

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more houses for sale housing prices will

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fall more that's kind of the trajectory

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things are going at anyway and then what

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happens well then they cost a loses even

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more clients and then they make even

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less Revenue so look at this earnings

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call that just came out they say our

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fourth quarter Revenue expectations are

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lower than implied fourth quarter

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guidance we issued in August so lower

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Revenue than they guided we are

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experiencing some softness and

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variability in guest bookings that began

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after the strong summer season that

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weakness was noticeable in December I'm

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sorry in September which is the last

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month of the quarter so Airbnb could

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tell you oh yeah we're killing it we're

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killing it you know because because

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really you only started noticing the

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softness maybe at the end of the last

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quarter right and this is because I

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remember that and has become more

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pronounced in the fourth quarter

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remember we are are already about six

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weeks into the fourth quarter we're

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about halfway through the first uh

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fourth quarter it's weird because we're

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just now getting earnings reports for

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the third quarter which ended September

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30th but October is over and half of

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November is basically over so we're

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halfway done with Q4 already

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we expect fourth quarter ebitda that's

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earning basically near bottom line

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earnings I'm not going to explain an

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accounting course in this one here but

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we'll keep it simple earnings before

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interest taxes depreciation amortization

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blah blah right okay we'll be in the

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range of negative 75 million to negative

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65 million again this is lower than

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implied due to lower Revenue but it's

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also a function of higher operational

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costs uh going into the fourth quarter

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not fully realizing the inefficiencies

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from operational initiatives finally we

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are not issuing 2023 guide so I wrote

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some notes here because I'm like this is

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so bad I looked at their cash flow

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statement and their balance sheet and

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I'm like well if they end up losing 70

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million dollars they've only got a cash

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burn of five quarters left and then they

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go bankrupt because when you originally

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looked at their p e ratio like wow this

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this two dollar stock is is actually

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looks really cheap but then then you're

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like wait but is it a value trap right

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and like I wouldn't touch this freaking

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thing with a 10-foot pole but and I mean

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it might float up because right Rising

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tide lifts All Ships right but they're

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they're projecting almost no growth

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potentially even a decline in year over

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year gross bookings okay that's a huge

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number that Airbnb pays attention to uh

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so they overspent on staff over here

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vacasa at the peak uh and and overpaid

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probably for properties they don't

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actually own properties but they can buy

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a portfolio that somebody else manages

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so they potentially overspent at Peak

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they're they're complaining that their

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sales process just sucks and that's why

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they're having a harder time attracting

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people they spend a lot of time in their

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earnings call talking about how they're

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getting this new customer resource

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manager online and once that's online

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then they're going to be so much more

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productive and I'm like dude if you're

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relying on a customer resource manager

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you don't know how to sell you don't

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know how to run a business this is

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of the other pages in in this earnings

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call and then what I want you to see is

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the Airbnb call all right so moving

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ahead a little bit listen to this the

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weakness is relatively new it kind of

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began towards the end of the third

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quarter ah so Airbnb would actually be

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justified in telling you oh everything's

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great because the weakness is actually

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you know relatively new and maybe it was

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just a bad week you know you got to

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picture these people in their board

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meetings before they actually go have an

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earnings call like okay guys like the

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last quarter of September was not good

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but everything else was great and then

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that's all they talk about is how great

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everything was so it kind of began

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towards the end of the third quarter

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particularly with forward-looking

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bookings or Advanced bookings and seeing

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some variability in our booking Trends

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deviating from previous years it's tough

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to identify the driver maybe it's

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consumer demand maybe it's macro or

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maybe it's just the vacation rental

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market that's just slowing down and it's

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hard to pinpoint but we're seeing it

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across all channels so in other words

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they're just getting screwed and pounded

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everywhere uh they talk about their CRM

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BS I wrote a little note that no that's

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BS they just can't sell which is

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probably true this I wrote down they're

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basically a monkey in the metal company

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right again I explained that earlier

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where Airbnb is going to take their fees

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the landlord wants a minimum amount of

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fees otherwise they're going to sell and

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then they Costa loses their client uh so

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so they they kind of get screwed in the

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middle they take the big loss this is

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why I wouldn't touch this with a 10 foot

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pull and I pay attention to companies

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like this too because I want to see what

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some of these companies are doing who

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handle short-term rentals for the

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purposes of house hack as well look if

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the short-term rent the market dies

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we'll just do all long-term rentals or

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our medium short-term rentals right so

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agreement at househack.com on one hand

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churn okay so yeah owners are

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potentially dumping and not buying

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short-term rentals it doesn't surprise

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me that people aren't buying short-term

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rentals right now because why would you

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uh not seeing any meaningful uh changes

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in cancellation rates that are notable

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it's just bookings that are coming in

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right uh different so I make some little

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notes about comparisons to Airbnb uh and

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and then they actually suggest that

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maybe a way they can make more money is

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trying to convince people to Airbnb

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their home when they're not home and I'm

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like that is the stupidest thing I've

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ever heard I will never Airbnb my home

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so somebody else can roll around in my

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bed when I'm not there like that is that

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is beyond stupid but uh that just shows

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you that they're grasping at strong

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draws and that they're kind of desperate

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so now I want to show you the Airbnb

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call because it's a little bit of a

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contrast the Airbnb call initially only

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talks about how much demand they have to

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talk about how great everything is

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stronger demand demand for domestic and

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non-urban travel remains strong and sure

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is it possible that vicasa just has a

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small portfolio on demand for all of

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their properties this crap all of a

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sudden compared to uh you know prior

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quarters all of a sudden they just have

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like a terrible reputation sure maybe

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but I don't think so because here they

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talk about hey travel isn't getting

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seeing a pullback you want to go travel

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so you can see time spend time with your

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friends see your family more

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inspirational type of travel and I'm

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thinking to myself gosh these guys are

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selling it hard man I mean this is like

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Elon going in telling you Tesla's gonna

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be worth more than Apple and Saudi

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aramco combined just days before he goes

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and dumps 20 million shares on you you

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know all right okay so a lot a lot of

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good news here from Airbnb about strong

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demand and inspirational travel blah

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blah so where's the red flag all right

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and then here it is look at this the CFO

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is asked about Q4 and backlog and what

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he says is in terms of the backlog for

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2023 it's really too early to tell but

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what we're seeing is continued strong

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demand for travel overall and I'm

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parsing this when I first read this I'm

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like oh this is this is good

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but notice he's not saying we're seeing

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continued strong demand for airbnbs

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he's saying we're seeing continued

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strong demand for travel sure that could

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be justified in that you're seeing

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strong demand in the airline business

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and that's true you are because the

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airline business is smaller than what it

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was pre-pandemic

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so yes you are still seeing strong

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demand for traveling and if you look at

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2022 or 2021 you're still seeing

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stronger demand but that doesn't mean

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you didn't just hit a wall especially

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when you're saying it's too early to

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tell you a good forecast for the

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beginning of next year and this in uh

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this this idea of strong demand for

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travel does not mean strong demand for

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airbnbs and when you look back at

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historic levels of growth we're seeing

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stable to increasing demand okay so

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going back to 2019 but Airbnb you're

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valued as a growth company if your

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growth collapses and your growth is you

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know one percent more than 2019 people

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are going to lose their crap remember

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Airbnb blew up during the pandemic

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because people didn't want to go to

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hotels

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and then we have strong bookings on the

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books for Q4 but then there'll be fewer

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uh on the books it kind of tails off

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into 2023. so this is kind of like in my

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opinion a lot of BS with just enough of

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an early Red Flag Warning that vacation

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rentals are about to hit a freaking wall

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and it is possible that Airbnb collapses

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if their growth rate collapses okay

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Airbnb let's look at your numbers in Q3

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2022 y'all had about 2.8 billion dollars

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of Revenue and now you're trying to tell

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me that your revenue is stable or

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stronger than 2019. you all had a

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fraction of the revenue in 2019. how do

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I know that because all I have to do is

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scroll to a quarterly summary from a

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different earnings release that you have

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which I've injected into this PDF and

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look at the queue the quarterly numbers

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for 2019. you're knocking on the door of

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three billion dollars right now two

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point eight eight right and what are the

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numbers you have here dude you barely

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had three billion dollars in three

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quarters over here in Q3 you are at one

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six in Q4 you were at 1.1 billion

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dollars and look at that decline you

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tend to see going into Q4 the point is

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do I really want to see uh not only that

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seasonal decline but then you

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referencing 2019 it's entirely possible

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that their bookings are hitting a wall

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and look at that in Q4 you do tend to

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see a decline but they're also not just

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talking about a potential seasonal

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decline over at vacasa they're talking

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about a potential real decline bookings

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going into all of 2023 for reasons that

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they're not even aware of Airbnb is not

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giving us the red flag other than the

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fact that they're now alluding towards

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comparing themselves to 2019 and not the

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prior quarters in my opinion if that

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strong growth rate of Airbnb goes down

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and we start seeing in negative live

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year-over-year growth which is entirely

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possible if in fact we could just look

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at Q4 2021 was at 1.5 bill imagine if we

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went negative or the growth rate went

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from the 29 27 29 it is now year over

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year to something like five or ten

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percent valuation of Airbnb could

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collapse and the last thing anybody

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wants to see is a collapsing valuation

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