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All right. So, while we talk about this
Harvard or while they talk about this
Harvard thing, let's do a quick note on
JD Vance and Trump, what they're saying
about the Federal Reserve right now. Uh
JD Vance is apparently arguing that
quote, "The refusal by the Fed to cut
rates is monetary malpractice."
On top of that, on Truth Social, Donald
Trump just wrote, "Cpi just out, great
numbers. Fed should lower one full
point. Would pay much less interest on
debt coming due." so important. I think
this is where it's worth just taking a
moment to talk about the Federal
Reserve, what's likely and what the
market is pricing in. Let's just go
ahead and start by talking about uh what
what the implications of this are,
what's likely and just give you a bottom
line on that. Uh and then I'll also give
you market pricing uh so that way we can
kind of see how market pricing has moved
and what markets are pricing it. So,
first things first, remember that the
president and the vice president are of
course going to always advocate for
lower rates because it's popular. It is
exactly what consumers want to hear.
It's what we want to hear as small
business owners or medium business
owners or employees of large businesses.
Everybody wants lower rates. Lower rates
on your cars, lower rates for home
mortgages. Obvious. So, it's a popular
thing to say. The question is, is this
going to have any influence on the
Federal Reserve? And the answer to that
is likely a big fat no. because the
Federal Reserve, at least as they say,
you know, whether or not we believe it
comes with an asterisk, but they say
they're going to act apolitically. Now,
what is that actually going to mean in
this environment? Well, it likely means
that we're going to see a delay in when
the Federal Reserve is going to do
anything. I think the absolute earliest,
and this is my opinion, that we see the
Fed do anything is September. And the
reason for that is when we get into
September, the meeting's towards the end
of the month, we're going to have
inflationary data for not only what we
just got, May, but we'll also have June,
July, and August. We will literally have
three more full months of inflation
data. And if we reiterate the trend
we're on right now, yes, in my opinion,
we could set up for either a 25 or 50
basis point cut in September. We might
actually get a full cut, full 1% cut
like Trump is clamoring for by the end
of the year if we also by September
start seeing a weakening jobs market.
We're going to have June, July, and
August data, another 3 4 months of data
where tariffs are in place, especially
at this higher level that is now an
agreement between China and the United
States, 55% on China, 10% on the US from
China. These these are bigger levels
than we've had to deal with before.
substantial uh it's basically a doubling
on on tariffs that we've had previously
on China. So toys, furniture, apparel,
these are all going to show up in margin
which could show up in you know weaker
pricing uh at at corporations and again
therefore layoffs. And so the Fed will
look at that data but beyond this we'll
also get through a very weird
environment in markets where you have to
get through what's called the
seasonality of unemployment claims.
Historically, if you look at
unemployment claims in the summer, I
personally think teachers have something
to do with it. You know, teachers sort
of are not working in the summer, but
but not entirely sure on that one. Uh
but there's some seasonal spike you see
in unemployment claims uh in the summer,
and they start coming down in uh the end
of July, early August. The Fed will
basically have a full six week of six
weeks of unemployment claims data by the
time of their September meeting. This is
why September is really setting up to be
such a big meeting. Now, let's see what
the market is pricing in. The market is
pricing in a 0% chance of a rate cut for
June 18th. A 16.5% chance of a rate cut
for July 30th. I think that's highly
unlikely because you're literally one
week away from new jobs and inflation
data uh in August for July. And then you
have the September 17th meeting. Markets
are only pricing in a 60.4% chance of a
cut right now. I actually think there's
even a chance of a double cut in
September should we start seeing even
just a little bit more weakening in the
labor market. And remember the video
that I did on the Beaver Ridge curve,
which I highly encourage you you would
take a look at. I think I called it the
uh the great Donald Trump economic reset
or something like that. I'll pull up the
title for you in a moment, but I
encourage you to watch it. It was one of
those blackboard videos where I go
through a lot of the data uh in in the
studio. Uh it is quote the complete
economic great reset Trump and the Fed.
And basically what I do is I talk about
this economic concept known as the
Beaver Ridge curve or the beaver ridge
curve is so abnormal right now
historically that the only thing that
needs to change. The only single thing
that needs to change to normalize the
curve is a slight uptick in layoffs. And
a slight uptick in layoffs is going to
rapidly move that curve into its normal
environment. And that normal environment
would mean an unemployment rate that
skyrockets over 5 and a half to 6%. Uh
and as we usually see, if we get some a
move like that, we might end up with a
recessionary move after that, especially
thanks to artificial intelligence and
otherwise where you get longerterm
unemployed, you know, up over 10% or
whatever. Now, in that video, there were
some comments where people were saying,
"Oh, but Kevin, the unemployment rate is
only low because they're not counting
the unemployed workers, all the
unemployed workers." Yes, they are. they
are just counted in a different place.
Once you're unemployed for more than 6
months, you get counted in the 27 weeks
unemployed category. It is something
that we pay attention to as well. And
yes, the 27we unemployed category is
rising. And yes, historically, every
time it starts rising, it's a
recessionary signal. Does that mean
we're definitely going into a recession?
No. But if we get anything that is a
slight uptick in layoffs, a slight
uptick in claims, I think we're setting
up for potentially a double cut in
September, and that money printer is
going to come on very rapidly. Now, is
that going to be soon enough to stop a
recession? Nobody knows. It could
already be too late. Maybe it'll be
early enough. However, and this is why I
talked about a few days ago, this idea
that maybe Scott Bessant could end up
becoming the Fed chair, I actually think
is broadly bullish. Now, people left me
comments. You know, Besson's testifying
right now. People left me comments and
they're like, "Oh, but but Kevin, you
know, the Fed chair is just one of the
committee's voting members, right?" But
if you minimize the importance of the
Fed chair in a manner of saying, well,
he's just one of the voters on the
board, the FOMC,
then you misunderstand how the power
structure of the Federal Reserve works.
The chairperson is the person who talks
to each of the individual members
individually and can shape the other
person and sort of lobby them to join in
their vision of the direction of macro.
And if you get somebody like Besset who
wants to look forward and say, "Hey, we
need to prevent this potential recession
from coming." Whereas Powell's more of a
wait for the data to let us know we're
in recession, which is somewhat what it
feels like we have right now. Then you
get someone who is more dovish who
drives the Fed towards more rate cuts
earlier. That comes with the risk of
more inflation. But I personally don't
think we have an environment that risks
more inflation. Now, in response to
that, I get comments of people going,
"But Kevin, prices are so much higher."
Again, it's very important that we don't
confuse the nominal level of prices,
which of course are higher than 2019,
with what an inflation rate is and what
the Federal Reserve's mandate is. The
Federal Reserve's mandate is not to have
low prices. The federal mandate is to
keep prices stable. That could mean
stable high, unfortunately. Just sort of
the way it functions. Uh anyway, going
towards the rest of the year, we have
about a 49% chance. Uh well, it looks
like we're pricing in I'll read it this
way. We're pricing in 1.26 cuts by
October 29th. We're pricing in about
1.92 cuts. So, round it to two cuts by
the end of the year. I actually think
it's likely that we might be closer to
four cuts by the end of the year if some
of that data starts turning around.
We'll see. Uh and at the moment at least
when we look at the treasur market uh
based on this inflation data we got this
morning 10 years still sitting around
4.43. So it's still you know a heavy
weight for small and medium-sized
businesses but that 102 spread is still
only at 48 and really you're not at
shock territory unless that's rising
above 50 like what we saw in the dotcom
bubble and the great recession. Uh and
we're we're just not seeing that yet.
So, in other words, things are still
good until they start turning. Couple
follow-up comments here that I just see
in the comments. Does the bond market
agree? Again, what I read you out with
these odds of Fed rate cuts are based on
Treasury market curves. Okay, so this is
a distillation of the implied overnight
rates from the Fed based on Fed futures
trading. So, yes, the bond market does
cater to that. Somebody says, "If
inflation isn't high, why are stores
more empty than the 2020 lockdowns?"
These are totally unrelated.
Store shelves, first of all, being empty
could be your perception. That doesn't
necessarily mean they're a reality
because uh store shelves are often based
on uh the levels of inventory stock up
or potentially the lack of stock up.
They could be based on supply chain
modifications because of tariffs. If we
look at the Bank of America supply chain
indices, we're actually pretty dang
loose on supply chains. So there could
just be particular delays related to
shipments coming from China thanks to
the liberation month where we had
substantial delays of shipments. But
that that is really unrelated from
inflation of why shelves are empty. It
could be supply chain related. Now can
limited supply chains for a long period
of time create inflation? Yes. That's
because eventually stores if you have
empty shelves for too long you could see
prices increase for what's left. But
that assumes that demand is also rising
and and will match those prices. Demand
in today's environment is not moving up
to match how prices how companies would
like to price. That's why we talk about
corporates having lower pricing power.
So
let's see here. Uh replacing power could
easily lead to Arthur Burns. Um
yes. Yes, you are right about that. What
you're referring to is basically this
idea that if you replace Powell with
Bessant, you could end up getting a
1970s repeat where you get somebody
who's too reactive to the news. I agree
with that. I think Powell is doing
everything in his power to avoid being
an Arthur Burns for a 1970s. We don't
want a 1970s. Powell respects Vulkar
much more as any person who studies
monetary policy agrees. Paul Vulkar
gained much more respect and credibility
than Arthur Burns did.
representative is basically the largest
failure of of uh you know monetary
policy. So this is uh this is this this
is pretty straightforward here. Uh
somebody who says quit blocking for
Trump Kevin I roll emoji. Well, I think
if what you're saying is my opinion that
interest rates are going to come down by
at least a percent because we're
trending towards a recession uh in the
labor market is somehow, you know, uh
hitting the pavement for Trump, then
then I I I think you're trying to look
for something that doesn't exist. I'm
looking at this from a monetary policy
and economic point of view. I think
that, you know, Powell is to some extent
right to avoid wanting to be an Arthur
Burns and waiting for the data. I think,
and this is my opinion, that inflation
will stay low and that Powell will be
late because of that strategy. That
doesn't necessarily because that aligns
with sort of what Trump's saying and
calling Powell Mr. too late doesn't mean
that I'm shilling for Trump. It just
means that my opinion is we should be
cutting sooner. But I understand why
they can't because they want to be data
dependent to avoid the 1970s. My POV
would be more of a gamble because I
would be taking the bet that we're not
going to see inflation and you want to
cut ahead to minimize the recession.
That's different, right? I'm taking an
opinion. Donald uh Powell is waiting for
the fact and that's understandable and I
respect that and I understand the
Federal Reserve doing that and that's
why I'm trying to show you this
difference between my opinion, what the
Fed is doing and then of course why
Trump says what he does because it's
popular.
Anyway, hopefully that helps. uh we're
forgetting about the layoffs announced
in March, government cutting 770K which
uh right right so this is a this is
another thing that is worth paying
attention to is yes you know coming into
September you start getting some of
those uh you know voluntary layoffs at
the government where you got basically
you know through September to go find
another job and get paid through
September even if you quit your job
that's true but those numbers won't
actually show up in our employment data
unemployment data well they could start
showing up earlier but it's likely you
won't actually see those until October.
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