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we've got to talk about Tesla investor
day and the new preview out by Barclays
this preview just out we got to go
through what their opinion is of Master
Plan Three and I think that's really
important to do because the Tesla event
the investor Day event actually occurs
after the market closes I mean that's no
surprise it's no surprise that all the
juicy stuff will occur after the market
closes uh in fact I can give you the
schedule of what we're looking at for
investor day at least I think I can I
have that here somewhere uh but anyway
most of the activities and most of the
actual announcements we expect to occur
in the second half of the day here we go
11 A.M today is event check-in all of
these times are Central Standard Time 11
A.M is event check-in uh there will be
factory tours and plaid demo rides
doesn't particularly say that there'll
be any kind of demo rides for the Cyber
truck but maybe there will be who knows
it says plaid demo rides uh that will go
from 11AM to 2 45 p.m and I believe
Tesla's starting to live stream at 1pm
but I don't actually expect anything to
really occur until the keynote which the
keynote address is set for 3 P.M central
time that's 1pm California time the
keynote literally starts
the moment the market closes
uh so kind of interesting q a will be
from 4 30 to 5 30 p.m and then there
will be a meet and greet between 5 30 to
7 P.M uh seven yeah 7 P.M so 90 minutes
anyway so what does Barclay say for the
investor Day preview well let's take a
look at that right and now so their
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master plan 3 Grand scale okay great
let's look at some of the comments here
so as a reminder master plan one was
number one build a sports car number two
use that money to build an affordable
car number three use that money to build
an even more affordable car and while
doing the above provide a zero emission
electric power generation option okay so
that has somewhat been achieved a lot of
these plans have been quote never fully
uh realized or have never fully
materialized but it's okay to sort of
like you make a plan and as long as you
can Trend in that direction you're doing
pretty dang well right so master plan on
uh
pretty great master plan 2 was created
stunning solar roofs and those really
haven't scaled terribly well with
integrated battery storage those are
doing pretty decently those are ramping
pretty well as well as the mega packs
fantastic in fact a lot of Tesla Bulls
are saying you know we got to start
realizing the potential 50 margin that
uh that uh that all of a sudden you end
up having with um uh with with mega
packs and you start putting that into
Tesla uh uh you know forecast for for
stock pricing oh Everything Changes
Everything Changes when you start
putting Mega packs into the Tesla
analysis now I personally don't like
putting in mega packs into the Tesla
analysis because I see it as the icing
on the cake right I wanna I want to
ideally try to stay somewhat
conservative with my projections and I
say somewhat conservative because I
think they're already you know they're
already on the more bullish side right
we know that if Tesla can manufacture 4
000 vehicle or Sorry 4 million vehicles
in 2025 at an average selling price of
40 seven thousand dollars I align uh
with with a lot of the industry on this
average selling price and if anything my
number of vehicles produced is probably
on the lower side for 2025
but anyway uh if I use this with only
about a 10 take rate on FSD uh on uh on
the number of vehicles and then only 10
of those uh that money being realized in
2025 so it's uh basically the point of
that uh is to say Hey you know we're
going to take the number of hold on let
me make sure I have this right uh we
have the number of vehicles four million
Vehicles we're gonna assume a 10 take
rate okay I actually have it at 10 take
rate the reason I did a 10 take rate
rather than the current take rate of 20
or the potential forecast to take rate
of 30 or 40 percent by 2025 is because
they did come out with a monthly option
to pay monthly for this so I don't think
it'll all translate down to uh cash flow
although a lot of people will sign up
for full self-driving as part of their
uh amortization for their loan which
basically means Tesla's paying for
getting the money up front so I think
I'm actually very conservative bottom
line I think I'm very conservative on a
10 take rate here
25 margin we know that Tesla's probably
going to go to about a 20 gross margin
their goal is 30 I'm just gonna go with
about a 25 margin here and I'm mostly
going to leave uh energy and services
out of this I'll have a little bit in
here for uh leases Services energy I
have about uh one percent over here and
I have margin of energy of only 18 some
people think you could massively 10x
these numbers you could probably have a
margin of fifty percent here and maybe
10 uh you know um 10x the energy Revenue
I'm just gonna call that icing on the
cake as well as a higher take rate for
FSC that's just icing on the cake for me
so in my opinion as long as Tesla's
growing earnings per share in excess of
30 and we take a PEG ratio of one you
know at that level of about 1.6 percent
well PEG ratio of about 1.6 percent
would drive us to about a 500 reasonable
price target for Tesla by 2025. the
present value for Tesla is about 210
dollars per share which gets you about a
compounded annual rate of return of
about 34 that's pretty substantial now
that's not a guarantee right still
pretty substantial not a guarantee of
course but it's great it's fantastic so
uh that sort of gives you just a catch
up on this so what does Barclays tell us
here well they talk about master plan
two again you know coming out with full
self-driving being much more capable 10x
safer than manual learning so what is
this next master plan 3 likely to reveal
well Barclays believes that their
Generation 3 platform is going to be
what we get revealed and it will be the
basis for the quote-unquote model two
now this is really interesting because I
personally don't think there's going to
be an announced model too unless it's
specifically for the Chinese market I
actually think the model 3 is the model
2. I think the model 3 is what Tesla
wants to reduce its cost in by about 50
and if they can reduce their cost on the
model 3 by 50 then that's fantastic
because right now you're running at a
margin of your running at a cost of
about thirty two thousand two hundred
and fifty dollars for the car if they
could reduce that to about sixteen
thousand five hundred bucks and they
wanna operate at a margin of twenty five
percent well now all of a sudden you've
got a car that probably could sell uh
for about let's see if I divide it that
car at actually even a thirty percent
margin if 16 000 represents seventy
percent there we go you get a car that
costs only about twenty three thousand
dollars so in other words if they can
reduce the cost of the model three today
by fifty percent they could sell the
model three for twenty five thousand
dollars and actually make more profit
phenomenal so I actually personally
think the model 3 is the next model too
but Arc invest thinks they're going to
announce a new model too today uh or
some kind of new model vehicle today uh
Barclays thinks that they're going to
announce the basis for the model too
especially given that Tesla right now is
primarily positioned for the luxury
Market uh and they say that in order for
Tesla to actually achieve that 20
million volume number that they're
trying to achieve by the end of the
decade or at some point in the future
then they need to have some kind of 25
000 vehicle again my take is that's
already the model 3 and just reducing
the cost there now they have a different
opinion they base that opinion on Elon
Musk suggesting that the uh vehicle will
be smaller than the model 3 Model y
platform and it will shortly exceed the
production uh of all of our other
vehicles combined I think they mean
surely here surely here but but anyway
uh Elon Musk apply implied in the Q3
earnings call that Tesla will aim for a
50 cost of goods sold reduction
and uh Barclays here is suggesting they
think they're going to see somewhat
similar of an investor day today like
what we saw at battery Day Battery day
is basically where they showed like
pictures of of the batteries uh the 4680
cells and how they're able to increase
the efficiency of these batteries while
reducing costs now I'm a little
skeptical about how great some of these
things are because the battery is bigger
right like of course a battery cell
that's larger has five times more energy
or six times potentially more power it's
a bigger cell yeah you know it's kind of
like going from a c battery to a D
battery so I'm a little skeptical there
but I do think they'll get some kind of
marginal improvements like you know
maybe 16 more efficiency or whatever we
want to see is today going to be a
realistic path to potentially lower cost
of production are we going to see more
Giga castings can we do the whole you
know can we do the front the back and
the bottom not just those in Giga uh you
know via Giga castings but can we do
bigger vehicles like maybe Vans like
Sprinter vans can we cast together
Sprinter vans from Tesla and then have
full self-driving Sprint advance I love
the Sprinter van by the way I think
Tesla needs to get in that market there
really is no Mommy car for Tesla by the
way if you have two kids best case
scenario you have a five seat model X or
model Y and then you actually have some
trunk space but if you have any more
than two kids or you have the seven seed
option for the model of or even the six
seat option for the model X or Y you're
screwed your trunk space goes down to
zero you ain't putting a stroller in as
soon as you you have a third kid you're
screwed there is no three child mommy
Tesla car you need you need to go to a
minivan and personally I think that
sucks don't get me wrong I'm not trying
to offend minivan folks we own a minivan
and it's the most functional car we have
uh you know when we gotta take uh the
in-laws the kids me and Lauren we got
two kids to the airport and have all our
luggage the minivan works but as soon as
we have one other kid we're screwed and
we have to have a sprinter van which I'm
really excited about Lauren's like I
don't know man I don't want to drop my
kids off at a sprinter van I'm like this
is why we need a mommy car anyway like
that's not a minivan but anyway
they talk here about cost reductions
coming uh to batteries potentially
increasing scale vertical integration
structural improvements structural
castings manufacturing improvements and
trying to reduce manufacturing floor
space by 50 for their third gen platform
now it's worth noting that they are
looking at uh potentially announcing
today the Mexico gigafactory that would
be about three hours from a giga Texas
the Mexico gigafactory is expected to
see about one billion dollars of capex
Investments soon and up to 10 billion
dollars of capex Investments over time
we actually actually also just got this
update here that in addition to
potentially announcing an actual
gigafactory in Northeast Mexico now
there's an update just now coming in
that Tesla is considering opening an
electric battery vehicle or an electric
battery plant I'm sorry not a vehicle
plant in central Mexico so not just a
gigafactory in Northeast Mexico where
remember in California we're paying like
20 bucks an hour for workers and taxes
you're paying like 15 bucks an hour for
workers in Northeast Mexico you're
paying like 3.40 per hour for labor in
Northeast Mexico some people are like oh
my God that's exploitation But realize
like capitalism that brings more work to
those areas drives wages up in those
areas so it's actually helps those areas
get wages up uh but anyway
the United Auto Workers Union by the way
in the United States is like punching
the air right now they're like damn you
good Elon Musk going to Mexico
is the inflation reduction act uh which
is important for capitalizing on that 7
500 vehicle tax credit which you have
over here and Barclays mentioned as well
uh it means that Tesla has to Source its
battery materials from North America and
then assemble the stuff in North America
well look low and Below low and behold
new Tesla Nuevo Leon plant could create
up to 6 000 jobs battery plan in central
Mexico fantastic so again Lower costs
for Tesla you help increase wages in
Mexico you have a substantially lower
cost of doing business and you meet the
benefit of the inflation reduction act
now maybe that wasn't the political
intention maybe the political intention
was to have Tesla manufacturing stuff
here but instead they're now doing it in
Mexico because they can but hey that's
the politicians problems and that's
exactly why the United Auto Workers
Union is like punch in the air anyway
here's an example of what Barclays
thinks for forecasts
current uh model 3 looking at a cost of
goods sold at about twenty seven
thousand nine hundred dollars minus the
battery excluding the battery the model
2 low-cost vehicle could have a cost of
about sixteen thousand five hundred
dollars boom baby that's exactly what
I've been talking about for weeks on
this channel that in order to have a
twenty five thousand dollar vehicle I
mean it's not hard to do the math
you got to be sitting at somewhere
around sixteen thousand dollars for cogs
now Barclays actually thinks they're
going to announce something like this
today uh now what they do think though
is images of the model too
probably not going to happen so they
think it's unlikely that there'll be
images of the model too because they
don't want to cannibalize current sales
and that's again why I think it's more
likely that project Highland is the
model too in other words the model 3 is
the model 2. it's just the new model 3
it's just a cheaper version that you
could sell at a lower price uh you know
project Highland vehicles in camo have
been spotted you know covers over the
front back as far as the model too we
don't expect Tesla to show a vehicle at
investor day as this could risk
cannibalizing the current demand and
lastly we assume the model 2 will be a
different model than the 3y platform I
personally disagree with that but we'll
see we'll see I'm willing to be raw I
don't mind being wrong I do think if
there's a model 2 it's gonna be China I
think the model 3 is the smallest thing
you could sell in America and and I
really took that to heart when I talked
to Brett Whitton from Arc invest type
that into YouTube meet Kevin Ark invest
I just interviewed Brett in person at
Santa Monica beautiful by the way it's a
little chilly but it's beautiful
uh okay so we talked about that plant
already manufacturing will be a central
theme of investor day we expect Tesla to
point to key aspects of the Austin
gigafactory as the basis for Tesla's
manufacturing key question here is
around other manufacturing expansion are
we going to expand Fremont Shanghai
Austin Berlin currently at 2 million
units a year how are we going to scale
that to four five six how is that going
to uh scale you know here you go our
estimates of Tesla deliveries they
actually think
that uh oh uh gosh that's quite
disappointing but anyway the annual
delivery estimates here for 2025 are are
a very very slow ramp by Barclays here
look at this this is like a trashy ramp
I mean they're basically saying we're
going to be at about 1 8 for 2023 barely
grow in 24 barely grow I mean we're
growing at like 10 to 15 over here like
this would be pretty embarrassing if
this if it takes until 2030 to get to
5.5 million Vehicles we shall see
uh anyway they think the model 2 would
end up having the lowest margins at
around 21 with the S's and X's like the
Plaid sitting around 32 percent maybe
the Roadster in cyber truck up here in
high margins as well and notice they
left off this uh the semio over here
these are some of the current uh
production uh capacity numbers for Tesla
or or some projections that they have uh
4680 progress the larger of when
questions from investor for brand new
models uh well maybe we'll be talking
about today longer dated initiatives uh
potentially hey maybe we'll hear a
little bit about lithium miners maybe
we'll hear a little bit about uh the uh
the software Sac or even the uh robot
the robot not only Robo taxi but what
about the robot uh they do say they
don't expect much on in terms of
financial targets maybe that's actually
a good thing because if like Wall Street
doesn't actually think that Tesla's
going to be able to scale at this level
maybe that means the price targets are
way too low for Tesla right now uh so
you know they do talk about Tesla having
a margin Edge over Legacy automakers
obviously we already know that we know
that Tesla's lead in creating
software-defined Vehicles is an
opportunity key differentiating factor
of course we know that uh Tesla EV
Supply chains maybe we'll hear a little
bit about that uh we acknowledge the
near-term questions of further price
cuts and margin normalization from lofty
levels previously uh that said the
underlying fundamentals combined with a
valuation that appear far more
reasonable compared to a historic
pricing so even though Barclays is kind
of skeptical on some of the forecasts of
numbers produced uh you know we you know
they actually see Tesla's reasonably
value today those who remain bullish see
further upside but have pointed out that
Tesla's 2030 volume opportunity is
likely above our 5.5 million units more
like 7 to 10 million units and Tesla
might lean into this with its
significant cost Advantage so in other
words Barclays is actually already
saying like yeah our forecasts might be
a little on the low side for Tesla's
production uh yeah I think anyway kind
of interesting and it's almost as
interesting as recognizing that hey
Tesla is now opening up their
superchargers uh to other individuals
I'm really curious to see how that
charging is going to uh lead to
congestion because it's going to take a
while to actually see a lack of
congestion I think because Tesla's going
to take billions of dollars from the
government and build more Chargers but
the congestion thing bothers me although
I don't even charge with the
superchargers because I don't go
anywhere but where I do go is to course
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