Carney LOSES IT After Economist Exposed COLLAPSING Economy!
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The Canadian economy, already contending
with inflation, tariffs, and a cost of
living crisis, is also watching a steady
and ongoing slump in the housing market.
>> A new report from Rosenberg Research uh
says that the Canadian economy is on
life support and that the economy
probably shrank in two of the past three
quarters. Carney loses it after an
economist exposed a collapsing economy
growing at barely 1%. The cracks in the
system are raw. The illusion of
stability is gone and every decision
feels impossible. What happens next
could define not just his leadership,
but the financial future of millions of
Canadians.
>> Rather, that other countries are getting
better faster. And there are areas like
inequality where Canada's performance
has deteriorated over the last decade or
two.
>> Something shifted. And it wasn't loud or
dramatic. It was a single phrase that
refused to go away. The Canadian economy
is on life support. When I heard that
from Rosenberg Research, it didn't sound
political or exaggerated. It sounded
clinical and measured, which is exactly
why it hit so hard. For months, we've
been told that the economy is
stabilizing.
>> And we are on a clear recession watch
for 2026. question is, you know, since
the Bank Canada started cutting interest
rates in the spring of 2024,
uh, what's the Canadian economy done
over this time span? And it's barely
better than a 1% annualized growth
performance.
>> But when I look at the numbers, I don't
see resilience. I see an economy that
likely shrank in two of the last three
quarters with growth barely running at
1% even after the Bank of Canada cut
interest rates by 275 base points since
2024.
The Bank of Canada has brought down
interest rates by almost three full
percentage points since 2024. But you
reckon more is needed?
>> Well, uh, the proof of the pudding is
always in the eating. So uh you know the
bank has cut the policy rate uh by 275
basis points. Of course uh the only
people that borrow at the overnight rate
uh are the banks uh and uh nobody
borrows at that rate and uh other
interest rates haven't fallen nearly as
much.
>> That number alone should have sparked a
strong rebound. A 275 basis point cut is
not minor. It is an aggressive stimulus.
It is the kind of move that is supposed
to reignite housing, boost spending, and
restore business confidence. Instead, it
has delivered growth that is barely
above stall speed.
>> And although the population trends have
slowed with the immigration rule
changes, real per capita GDP in Canada
uh is still declining. That has not been
arrested.
>> Real per capita GDP is still declining.
Which means that when you divide the
economy by the number of people living
here, Canadians are effectively getting
poorer.
>> I think we need to ask ourselves, you
know, are we doing better in a more more
holistic sense. So, you know, not just
what GDP tells us, but uh you know,
quality of life, standard of living,
inequality and and so on.
>> So, we came off u rates that were very
elevated. Um, but it's clear to me,
unless the policy lags are just a lot
longer this time around, that if this is
what 275 basis points of Bank Canada
rate cuts delivers, the grand total of a
1% growth economy.
>> If that level of rate cutting only
produces 1% growth, then the obvious
question is, what happens when the next
external shock arrives? If this is the
boost we get from major stimulus, what
happens when the system is actually
tested? Canada's provinces had an
average GDP per capita equivalent to
Alabama back in 2022, but then that
figure shrank over the next two years.
This whole episode has sparked an awful
lot of debate among experts. Some said
GDP per capita is a lousy way to measure
wealth and prosperity. Rate cuts are
supposed to work through housing,
retail, and business investment. Cheaper
borrowing should translate into stronger
activity, but housing has not reignited.
National home prices have been flat or
slightly negative for roughly 10
consecutive months, down about 2%
year-over-year.
>> And I also think, you know, at the end
of the day, we should be asking
ourselves, are we doing as well as we
could be doing? I I think that's the
most important part that I don't think
we should be trying to compete with
Alabama, but rather, you know, I always
thought in sports, I always wanted to be
better today than I was yesterday.
Residential construction spending is not
surging. Retail sales, once adjusted for
inflation, are barely moving.
Manufacturing is down 5% year-over-year
despite a weaker Canadian dollar and
strong US demand that should be lifting
exports. Instead, exports are lower
today than they were in the spring of
2022. And when the most rate sensitive
sectors of the economy fail to respond,
it raises a deeper concern. Perhaps the
traditional tools are no longer as
powerful as they once were.
Well, it's uh you know, Tiff Matlin
wasn't wrong that uh a lot of the call
it structural issues with the economy uh
are developments that transcend uh the
power of the central bank. But at the
same time, if I were in Ottawa and I
were in his shoes, uh I would be doing
all I possibly can. Uh inflation in this
country is not really an issue. Uh
virtually every underlying inflation
measure is comfortably within the Bank
of Canada's comfort zone. Canadians are
stronger at the grocery stores and
grocerers are adapting. So, we're we
we're not dealing with an overstored
market in Canada. There's still uh
plenty uh space for growth. Uh but
things are getting tighter, especially
when it comes to uh discretionary
revenues, the money that people have to
spend at the grocery store.
>> Inflation, which justified earlier
tightening, is no longer the central
threat. Most core measures are within
the bank's comfort zone. So if inflation
is cooling and growth remains weak, the
tension becomes obvious. Cutting further
risks inflating asset bubbles again,
particularly housing. Uh and the economy
is growing below potential. uh and the
Bank Canada's own forecast when you dig
through the details is for this
disinflationary output gap to be with us
uh not just this year but through the
end of 2027.
>> Holding steady keeps households under
pressure as mortgages renew at far
higher rates than those secured in 2020
and 2021.
Raising rates would intensify the strain
on both families and the federal balance
sheet. None of these paths are clean
>> and I think Canada should be taking the
same attitude. You know, we should be
trying to be better than we were last
year. You know, not comparing ourselves
to one of 50 US states. This is kind of
reminds me of the interest rate policy
in the wake of the 2007208
banking crisis. Low interest rates
didn't uh seem to stimulate growth then
at all.
>> This is where a comparison to 1990
becomes unsettling. In 1990, housing
felt unstoppable. Confidence was high.
Prices were climbing. Then the math
broke. National home prices fell 22%.
And in Toronto, they dropped 38% from
peak to TR. The downturn lasted 7 years.
Unemployment climbed above 11% and
mortgage rates hit 14%.
That correction happened when household
debt to income was around 90%. Today
that figure stands at 187%.
We are carrying more than double the
leverage that existed during that
earlier crash. If the earlier downturn
was severe with half the debt, the
question naturally becomes how a system
with twice the leverage absorbs
sustained pressure.
>> Thousands of condos are left unsold. The
Canadian Mortgage and Housing
Corporation says about 2500 new condos
are sitting empty in Metro Vancouver.
That's double what it was last year. And
in Toronto, the CMHC says the weakening
condo market appears to have
similarities to the crash of the early
90s. Escalating costs from material and
labor are some of the factors behind
this market stall.
>> The mortgage data alone is sobering.
Since 2022, mortgage interest payments
have surged above 90%. While principal
payments have fallen roughly 47%.
Canadians are paying significantly more
each month while building less equity.
Total mortgage debt now exceeds $2.1
trillion.
I've kind of taken the other approach
and saying, well, actually not so fast.
the GDP per capita we're doing pretty
well in, but uh other indicators uh such
as wealth and income in inequality
uh deaths of despair and so on, we tend
to actually be below uh the average of
kind of western economies. The federal
government's position adds another layer
of constraint. Federal debt has risen
from $721 billion in 2019 to
approximately $1.29 trillion.
Annual interest costs are around $54
billion, making debt servicing one of
the fastest growing expenses in the
country. High rates strain households
and public finances alike. Lower rates
may ease government interest costs, but
they risk reigniting the very imbalances
that created the current vulnerability.
Now, let's talk about the pressure
cooker that nobody seems to be able to
turn off. Since 2021, Canada has added
about 3.2 2 million people. That is
basically two new Toronto dropped into
the country in just 36 months. On paper,
that sounds like growth. More people,
more demand, more energy, right? But
here's where it gets very awkward. For
roughly every job created, two people
were added. That's not expansion, that's
strain.
>> I think there are um a variety of trends
going on. There's a stronger recovery
one sees in terms of prices in eastern
parts of Canada. Uh but then in places
like um Ontario, especially Toronto and
to the very west in Vancouver or British
Columbia, you see a bit of struggle in
the markets in their march towards
recovery. We told ourselves this would
supercharge the economy. Instead, it has
supercharged demand in a system that was
already stretched. Housing is the
clearest example. Right now, there are
about 421,000 homes under construction
across the country. That's a record. If
you just glance at that number, you
might think everything's fine. Builders
are building, supply is coming, crisis
solved. Except cancellations have hit a
10-year high. Developers are literally
walking away from projects mid build.
Not because they suddenly forgot how to
build houses. Not because people don't
need homes. They're walking away because
the financing math broke. When interest
rates surged, the cost of borrowing
exploded. When pre-sales slowed, that
number stopped working. You can't build
a condo tower on optimism if the
spreadsheet is bleeding red.
>> You know, I looked at uh the UN Human
Development Index, uh which takes into
account a variety of different factors.
Back in the 1990s, we were consistently
in the top three. We're now down to 16th
place in the latest report. There's a
world happiness report, also a UN
initiative. uh just a decade ago we were
the sixth best country in the world
according to that.
>> So what we have now is more demand
colliding with broken financing, more
people arriving, fewer projects
completing, costs rising, confidence
wobbling. This is not a balanced system.
That is a snap point waiting for
pressure to build just a little more.
And nowhere does this feel more fragile
than in Ontario. In fact, it is the
lowest since recordeping began almost
five decades ago. According to Ontario's
financial watchdog, manufacturing jobs
as a share of Ontario's total employment
fell below 10% for the first time since
1976.
>> Ontario is not just another province. It
is the manufacturing heart of the
country. And right now, manufacturing is
already in recession, down about 5%
year-over-year. Exports are lower than
they were in the spring of 2022, and
that should not be happening in a
healthy expansion.
Ontario is uniquely exposed to US trade
shifts. When America sneezes, Ontario
does not just catch a cold. It checks
the unemployment rate. Unlike Alberta,
it does not have a commodity cushion. It
cannot lean back on a surge in oil or
natural gas prices and call it a day.
Its backbone is factories, exports and
crossber trade.
>> We got the uh we got the monthly data um
late last week. Uh the GDP trend is
running at roughly uh 1%. Uh the fourth
quarter sequentially as you mentioned uh
in your preliminary remarks is probably
going to be fractionally negative. And
I'm trying to look around uh for you
know what the source of vitality is
going to be. Uh I'm really quite
surprised that most Bay Street
economists uh have an inflation view or
at least some of them do.
>> Add to that the Canadian dollar sliding
about 4% against currencies like the
Australian and the New Zealand dollar
and you see another signal. Those
countries which are also commoditydriven
have stronger internal demand and higher
rates. Canada, meanwhile, is cutting
into stagnation. Ontario is not simply
slowing. It feels like it's being
hollowed out from the inside.
And the currency market sees this before
most people do. The looney's weakness
has been partly hidden because the US
dollar has had its own issues. But
compare Canada to Australia or New
Zealand, and that picture shifts.
Against them, we're losing ground.
Currency traders are not emotional. They
don't watch political speeches. They
watch growth, rates, and internal
demand. When they price the Canadian
dollar lower against peers, they are
making a quiet statement. Foreign
exchange markets often see what voters
don't. They price in weakness long
before headlines admit it. Now, step
into the shoes of Bank of Canada. It's
not exactly a comfortable place to
stand. So I'm a little surprised that um
uh the Bank Canada is taking such a
stridident approach. Uh I do think that
they will be compelled uh to cut rates
further even from this egregiously low
interest rate. Um and uh I think the
Canadian dollar, which I had been
bullish on tactically, uh is going to
come under some new downward pressure at
the same time because there's a case to
be made that the Fed probably doesn't do
uh anything at all, at least through the
first half of the year.
>> If the bank cuts rates aggressively, it
risks pouring gasoline back onto the
housing market and reigniting the very
bubble that created this debt pile. If
it holds rates where they are, it
suffocates overleveraged households
facing renewals at double or triple
their old costs. If it raises rates, it
detonates federal interest expenses and
squeezes consumers even harder.
>> We're expecting a 5.1% increase in sales
in 2026. Um, so not a huge increase.
>> Over the past year, prices have climbed
in more affordable cities, up almost 7%
in Regina, nearly 10% in St. John's
about 17% in Quebec City. But in big
expensive cities, the slowdown has been
sharp with prices falling 4.5% in
Vancouver and more than 6% in Toronto.
Now focus on the suburbs around Toronto.
Hamilton, Burlington, Oakville,
Ancaster, Dundis, Stony Creek. These
communities exploded during the ultra
low rate years. People moved out from
the city core, chasing space, backyard
offices, and mortgages that felt
manageable at 1.5 or 2%. That math was
built on ultra cheap money. Those
mortgages are rolling over between 2025
and 2027. That is the renewal wave. And
when a household that locked in at 2%
renews at 5% or 6%, the monthly payment
shock is not theoretical. It is
immediate. It shows up in the budget. at
the same day. It is not dramatic yet,
but that's what makes it unsettling.
Carney is cornered between recession and
reinflation. With Rosenberg Research
warning that the economy is already on
life support after 275 basis points in
cuts delivered just 1% growth,
stagnation is no longer theoretical. If
massive stimulus cannot revive momentum,
what will? When gravity returns, it
doesn't tap you on the shoulder. It
resets the system.
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