Market Crash Red Flag: What Wells Fargo just Said
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hey everyone meet kevin here i've been
giving the a wells fargo
credit align cancellation issue a lot of
thought
and why it could be actually happening
and what implications that might have
for the broader market so let's talk
about this a little bit
first of all in case you don't know i
guess you haven't heard yet wells fargo
declared that all of a sudden
anyone with a personal line of credit is
getting their personal line of credit
cancelled now here's something that's
very important to know about
lines of credit the lines of credit are
like
credit cards but they usually carry
lower interest rates
the cool thing about lines of credit is
you only pay interest on them generally
interest only
when you use the line of credit so if
you have a home equity line of credit
which i'm a big fan of
i can write a check from a line of
credit if i need to or not so for
example
i have a 125 000 line of credit on my
house
if i want to write a check from that for
125 000 i can do that and it's like cash
then i pay interest on the balance
that's outstanding i repay that over
time
however i want to repay it and then i
stop paying interest on that money it's
very very convenient
i see lines of credit as a very good
emergency
fund and they're also a relatively safe
emergency fund
for example home equity lines of credit
which those aren't getting cancelled
those usually carry lower interest rates
and
the collateral is real estate personal
lines of credit those carry slightly
higher interest rates but they give
folks
a line for emergency purposes or if they
want
access to cheaper credit than credit
cards could offer
now why is wells fargo ending these
personal lines of credit
potentially dangerous and risky well in
my opinion
first of all there are a few issues here
the first issue is you're removing
liquidity from people that is people
have less access to cash
when people have less access to cash you
first of all reduce consumption which is
a big problem so a side effect of having
less liquidity is reduced consumption
that hurts the economy that hurts growth
that's bad now it's just wells fargo but
then again wells fargo is a big company
okay it's part of the big four bank of
america city chase right
big big big company so it's a big deal
so liquidity is obviously an issue
consumption can go down growth can go
down with individuals who would
otherwise be able to use their personal
lines of credit
now what else is an issue well the other
issue of not having access to this
liquidity
is you potentially end up driving these
individuals who had personal lines of
credit
into riskier forms of credit such as
credit cards or personal loans
now the reason personal loans are
riskier than personal lines of credit
is because again with the line of credit
you're only using the money when you've
spent it you're only paying interest on
the money when you spend it you go into
wells fargo and you go on a personal
loan for 100 grand they give you a
hundred grand
you're paying interest on that whether
you need the money or not that's a
problem that's that's an issue in my
opinion
i'd rather have a line of credit now you
do have
credit cards as an option as a line of
credit at wells fargo which is something
they said oh we got personal loans and
credit cards
but you got to be out of your mind to
pay the interest rate on credit cards so
sometimes
exceed 20 20 20 to 24 it's absolutely
nuts
it's highway robbery you should never
pay a dime of interest on some of these
ridiculous credit cards
so that's very risky in my opinion and
it's dangerous
and so what does that potentially do
well in my opinion it potentially drives
folks
into using margin on maybe investments
that they have such as stocks
now unfortunately margin is risky
because if your
underlying collateral falls beneath a
certain point because the stock market
corrects or whatever
well all of a sudden you could get
liquidated and so you're forced into the
situation where either you don't have an
emergency fund or use margin as an
emergency fund or to fund your
consumption
or you use more expensive credit cards
and all those things are worse for the
consumer it's worse for wells fargo
customers
less access to liquidity is bad for the
economy it's bad for wells fargo
customers
now wells fargo is probably looking at
this as a profit driver because they're
like oh well
if people are using these lines of
credit they have all this access to
credit but maybe they're not
using it all well let's take away that
opportunity from folks
and force them into higher interest rate
products that's that's the only thing
that makes sense to me because remember
businesses are
and this is why you know look i'm a big
fan of free market capitalism and
everything but
you know sometimes business motives are
misaligned with
societal motives and one of those could
be the fact that
if wells fargo is saying oh well people
have all this access to credit but
they're not paying any interest on this
because they're not using it
ah well uh how about we force them into
something where they have to pay us
interest
i almost feel like there's a like a a
secret profit motive here that wells
fargo is going for
and if that's not true then wells fargo
should come out and give us a real
reason because right now they're not
giving us a
real reason uh and it's scary to me
because it makes me wonder
what's gonna happen at other banks is
this the first of many now i don't want
to you know come across it's like fear
mongering or whatever but you always
want to look at that if one of the big
four is doing it
what i mean either look the other banks
can look at this and go great more
customers for us
wonderful go switch from jpmorga from
from wells fargo and go to jpmore
whatever go to the other banks uh but
the the danger is that this had some
kind of precedent that we're going to
get rid of personal lines of credit
because here's the thing
during the pandemic home equity lines of
credit have been much harder to come by
a lot of banks aren't even doing home
equity lines of credit anymore banks a
lot of banks used to do
rental property lines of credit after
the pandemic they're not doing these
anymore
so it's really interesting because
really what you're doing is you're
eliminating
uh equity well liquidity opportunities
for people and you're
pushing them into riskier forms of debt
credit card debt or margin
and here's the thing margin rates the
main data that came out
highest levels we've ever seen before
over 830 billion dollars
i thought maybe the margin that a few
months ago i was saying hopefully
we start seeing margin debt go down and
we start seeing a deceleration of people
using debt
no we haven't seen that we're seeing
more debt flowing into the stock market
uh so uh it makes me nervous especially
if
folks uh emergency levers are being
taken away and they're being forced into
higher credit
or higher interest rate bearing accounts
to have liquidity
and potentially other banks follow suit
robbing folks of
consuming power that slows down the
economy that slows down growth
and all of this is honestly quite ironic
because banks have they're flush with
cash they got too much money they got
too much cash so
part of me wonders the other possible
reason is
if it's not a profit motive for banks
then it has to be a risk aversion
uh you know reason for wells fargo to do
this in other words our banks worried
that
markets are are inflated we're starting
to see a slowdown in the economy we're
seeing
real disposable income go down we're
seeing consumption go down we're seeing
credit card transactions go down we're
seeing mobility data going out
going down just month over month over
the last few months here which makes
sense
get a big explosion at the reopening and
people kind of go back to settling into
a normal average
uh like a pre-pandemic average but look
if the stock market is valuing companies
and all of a sudden these new massive
growth metrics and then companies like
wells fargo are going oh man
you know we we have too much potential
for people to take debt out there it's
too risky
because if we have a bubble or something
that pops which i you know look
i'll give you my odds at a moment well
then maybe wells fargo is trying to
mitigate their risk
that way by making sure people don't
have access to all this money during a
potential crash
which sucks because you want cash during
a crash so you can buy the dip right
but anyway maybe maybe that's what wells
fargo is doing maybe they're
they're their administrators or their
executives are going look
they're not profitable now because
people aren't using them maybe i mean
that's one option or the other option is
hey
if we're going into a market correction
we don't want folks being able to take
out a bunch of debt
uh in in a correction which does happen
like in in the recession in 2008
uh we we saw credit lines get frozen
it's one of the first things that
happened credit lines got frozen when
the pandemic came
in february of last year i warned
everybody i said folks
draw down your lines of credit and what
that means is you literally go
to your credit lines and you take all
the money out and you go park it
somewhere else maybe even at a different
bank you usually don't have to do that
but you could park it at a different
bank and why are you doing that you're
doing it so you have access to that
money before they freeze your credit
line
so i don't know it's weird now regarding
odds
i still think i still believe we're i
may have revised this up a little bit
okay i was saying like
five to fifteen percent chance of an s p
correction of somewhere between fifteen
to twenty percent
i i think that's maybe closer to fifteen
to twenty percent now
and this is something we've been talking
about over the last few days just some
indications that we're seeing
uh we've talked about another video so
anyway i i am a little bit worried about
this
wells fargo thing being a little bit of
a sort of a
it's a red flag put it that way it's a
red flag i don't know let me know what
you think thanks so much for watching
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