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Wow.

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You're right.

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Heat. Heat.

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Heat. Heat.

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Heat.

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Heat.

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Good morning.

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Heat. Heat.

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Everyone

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Heat. Heat.

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Heat. Heat.

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Heat.

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Heat.

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train.

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Hey

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Everyone suffered.

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Heat. Heat.

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Heat. Heat.

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Heat. Heat.

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Oh,

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heat.

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Everyone

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Heat. Heat.

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Heat. Heat.

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Heat. Heat.

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Here

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come train.

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How do you

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Heat. Heat.

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Heat. Heat.

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Heat.

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Heat.

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Good morning.

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Heat. Heat.

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Heat. Heat.

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I got it. Heat. Heat. N.

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in the morning.

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Let

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me see.

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Heat. Heat.

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Heat. Heat.

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Heat. Heat.

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Thank you honorable members. Please be

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seated.

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And let us invite

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our honorable prime minister,

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Brigadier

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Super

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Mark Phillips.

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I forget your medication.

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>> Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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>> Mr. Speaker, the only reason I'm walking

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with this medication because I have

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concern for the honorable members on the

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other side of the house.

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So if during my presentation or

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afterwards

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>> you need some relief, it's here.

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>> We have enough for them.

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>> Mr. Speaker,

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>> I was about to say thank you for walking

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with it. I You reminded me to send for

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mine.

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>> You might need it.

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>> Mr. Speaker, today

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I rise again

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in support

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of budget 20

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26. And I say again because I rose many

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times before from 2020 to now supporting

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budgets that has transformed the lives

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of the people of Guyana. as prime

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minister of Guyana,

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>> proudly as the prime minister of Guyana,

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supporting his excellency

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and of course supporting

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our senior minister of finance in the

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office of the president

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Dr. Ashni Kumar Singh

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and I must take the opportunity to

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compliment

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Dr. Singh for once again

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having a budget

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prepared that continues to keep us on

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the trajectory

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one of development.

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Mr. Speaker,

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this budget is being presenting

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presented it was presented

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on the 26th

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of January 2026

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at the defining moment

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in our national life.

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Following the general and regional

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elections of September the 4th, 2025,

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the People's Progressive Party Civic

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>> Government returned to office not with

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33 seats,

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with 36 seats.

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>> That's right. That's right.

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>> The people of Guyana sent a message,

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>> clear message.

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>> Loud and clear. We want the PPPC

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in government for the next 5 years to

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steer the ship of development in Guyana

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and

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>> more.

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>> And you know,

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Mr. Speaker,

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I sat unfortunately I wasn't here for

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the first two days, but I heard

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the presentations

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from

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the opposition, the combine opposition,

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the smaller and smaller

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components of the opposition.

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And of course,

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The seat that is awarded based on the

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remainerium

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enshrined

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in our laws, our electoral laws. Some

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say left leftovers.

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>> Left left bun.

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>> But then they will say a seat is a seat.

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Bombay.

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>> Bombay. That's right.

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>> But you know, Mr. Speaker,

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before I go into

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the areas

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of development that falls within the

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ambit of the office of the prime

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minister and you know as a prime

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minister this is a unique prime

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ministerial ship

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hearkens back to the time of Mr. Samuel

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Hines.

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He was a prime minister with

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responsibilities

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>> not like

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>> and

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>> we had an intergnum

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like that

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>> and we have decided to continue with the

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tradition

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>> restore dignity to the prime

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>> restore dignity to the prime minister

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office

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>> responsibility

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>> and responsibility

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>> responsibility

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>> so even though I speak to you as prime

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minister I still have to report on

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several areas

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not only on the prime ministerial

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secretariat,

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>> on disaster preparedness,

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>> on energy.

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>> On ICT connectivity.

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>> Yes. Yes.

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>> Areas.

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>> All right. and on public communications

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and information in Guyana.

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>> Of course, I'm a member of the defense

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board, too.

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>> That's right.

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>> And I'm ready to serve in any other

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capacity so directed by his excellency

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or president.

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>> Mr. Speaker,

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there are two or three matters that I

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want to clear before I move into

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discussing those areas of

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responsibility.

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And unfortunately, I would have expected

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the

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opposition leader or leader of the

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opposition to be present here

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because that would be in the true

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fashion of a budget debate.

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Should not be one-sided.

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Both sides should be led

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>> by their appointed constitutionally

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appointed leaders.

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me being leader of government business

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and the leader of the opposition.

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Unfortunately, this chair is empty.

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>> So, we start with an empty chair

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>> after a lot of excitement,

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a lot of protesting

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>> to occupy that seat.

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>> And now the seat empty. And now the seat

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is empty. Mr. Speaker,

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>> and you know, Mr. Speaker,

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>> if you're going to come to this house in

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the absence of the leader of the

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opposition, I want to educate the

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members over there. If you're going to

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come to this house and you're going to

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criticize,

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the policies,

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the projects, the programs of the

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government side, at least do some

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research

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>> and be present.

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>> I know somebody complain that is a lot

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of reading. But I used to be instructor

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to start school in the military. And

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whenever a student come to me and say,

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"But you know, directing staff, it's a

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lot of reading."

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My response to that student was always,

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"It's only a lot of reading if you do it

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all."

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Bit deep, right?

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>> It's only a lot of reading if you do it

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all.

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>> The reality is that if you want to pass,

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you have to do the readings.

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>> That's right.

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>> That's correct. That's correct.

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>> That's correct. That's correct.

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>> You have to spend the time and do the

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readings. government is actually real

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work.

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>> You as opposition

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>> is an important part of the governance

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structure of Guyana.

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>> And you have

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>> you as opposition. You are. I said you

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are.

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>> I said you are. I did.

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>> I said no. I'm sorry. If I say that, I'm

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sorry. I'm I stand corrected.

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>> I stand corrected. You you as opposition

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you are

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>> an important part of governance. You

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have to keep us

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literally and figuratively on our feet.

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And you could only do that if you read.

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As somebody said before, leaders are

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readers.

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>> Leaders are readers. So now that you

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earn your seat

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>> on the side of the opposition, you have

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to do the reading. That's right.

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>> You have to do the readings.

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>> It will be a lot of readings.

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>> And you have to do it all

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>> if you're going to be effective here.

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>> So you don't just ask somebody to send a

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photograph.

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>> And in addition to reading, you have to

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do research. You have to go on the

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ground.

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>> The members on the depleting side of the

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opposition, they have a favorite term

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they always use, boots on the ground.

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You have to put on your boots and go on

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the ground.

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>> Not to come like the honorable member,

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Miss Scarlet, and tell this house, but

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the lights off at Kato.

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>> The lights ain't off at Kato. The lights

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never went on at Kato.

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You know why? Because we constructed the

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hydropower dam and we wiring the 32

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buildings to take the colors. We

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finished wiring 28. And tomorrow,

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tomorrow,

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tomorrow we will turn on the lights

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because the staff who has to man the

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facility 247,

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they went to let them for training and

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including the staff are five women. You

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should have pulled one of them aside and

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asked them.

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>> Don't come and mislead this house.

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Because if you're a member of a party

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that started on a lie,

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>> you have to end on a lie because you led

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by lies and liars. Is that a lie, Mr.

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Speaker?

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>> Mr. Speaker,

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>> no. No. Unreal PM is not but um you're

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treading on the unparliamentary

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language.

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>> Until

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lie with untruth.

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>> Mr. Speaker, I stand corrected.

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>> I replace lie with untruth.

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Mr. Speaker,

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>> Mr. Speaker,

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>> the honorable member Sar Boholly,

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>> come to this house

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>> and introduce a new word,

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>> corruption.

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>> What is corruption?

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>> You are led by the poster child of

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posterby of corruption.

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>> That is your leader.

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That is your leader and that is poetic

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justice.

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>> You come to tell us one thing and it fly

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back right in your face

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>> because you are led by the poster boy of

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corruption.

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>> Are you going to shout Mr. Speaker

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again?

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>> Are you going to shout Mr. Speaker?

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And when you have your next when you

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have your next conversation with your

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leader,

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>> tell him

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>> that once you are blessed with life,

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>> there are two things that you cannot

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avoid. Debt and taxes.

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>> I say no more.

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>> You just said it all.

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Don't come to this house

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>> as merchants of grief

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>> trading on people's sentiments

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>> and sorrows

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>> and sorrows.

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>> You come here with your emotional

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appeals

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>> crocodile tears

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>> false crocodile tears

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>> tears.

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>> I could cry too and I could wipe my eye.

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>> Cry me a river

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and nobody. You talking about a hospital

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that since it opened every day treating

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hundreds of gyles free of charge, saving

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lives

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and then they had

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a routine servicing

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of the roof and the guttering and

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somebody failed to turn off failed to

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turn off the top, right? fail to turn

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off the pump. When they checking the

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roof and the pumping system, some water

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get on the ground, somebody picks and

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send it to you,

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>> right? And quickly they clean up the

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water, right? Mop up the place, fix the

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roof, fix the leaks, everything and

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continue to serve people. All right.

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>> You must not be a merchant of grief,

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>> a propagandist.

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>> Because if you keep telling yourself

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that over and over, everybody around you

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going to believe in the lie

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>> yourself.

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Don't come to this house and tell

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halftruths and untruths.

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>> Well, again, I corrected myself. Half

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truths and untruths.

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>> Halftruths and out truths.

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>> Strangers to the truth.

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>> You're strangers to the truth.

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>> If you started with halftruths and

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untruths, you will continue along that

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line.

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>> You continue along that line.

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>> You hear me?

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>> And you know,

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>> Mr. Speaker,

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come back to this thing about reading.

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Read the list. Read the list.

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>> If you don't want to read, use the phone

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that is given to you as a member of the

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operation.

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>> And Google,

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>> Google. Use your phone on Google.

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>> And AI.

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>> AI will give an overview

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of Guyana's budget. Just type in

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Guyana's budget 2020 to 2026.

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>> No, I just I I'm trying to help you to

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understand because I thought was

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something difficult when we reading but

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then I realized AI already captured it.

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Guyana's budget 2020 to 2026

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reflect a shift from pandemic recovery

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and economic stabilization to rapid

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oildriven infrastructure transformation

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and social development. Hold on. Hold

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on. Hear this one. Hear this one.

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Putting the people first. focusing on

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massive infrastructure investment,

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education and strengthening household

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incomes.

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>> That is on AI. So if you didn't do the

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relay AI, you would have been you would

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have been educated.

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Don't come to this house.

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>> The honorable member

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>> the honorable member Missnam

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in our presentation talk about live

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react.

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I stand corrected.

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Talk about lived reality.

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>> Live reality.

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>> I am 6 to 4 years old. I'll be 6 to 5.

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I'll be 6 to 5 this year. And I want to

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tell you about live reality in Gana.

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Live reality. And it's significant that

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this year, this year we are celebrating

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our 60th anniversary of independence

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with a democratically

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elected government in place.

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>> Remember in 1966 we had a democratically

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elected government in place.

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You're looking back.

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>> Hello.

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>> I was not 136 or six. I never said that.

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I was 5 years old. But I remember I did

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all the readings.

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>> I did all the readings.

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>> Don't try to throw me off. 1966 we had a

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democratically elected government.

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>> Our level of education and development

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was surpassing

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who?

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>> Caribbean.

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>> Don't worry. Who we led by?

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>> We were led by boredom.

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>> But he disappointed all of us. I don't

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want to invoke his name here. Mr.

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Speaker,

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>> fast forward to 1968.

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What has happened in Guyana? From 1968

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>> to 1992. She had a walk. They can't

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handle the truth.

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>> Once you walk is because you can't. It's

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two things. Either you're going to use

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the bathroom or you can't handle the

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truth.

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>> He's going to use the bathroom.

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>> He's going to use the bathroom. I said

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it. You either go to use the bathroom or

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you can't handle the truth. He's going

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to use the bathroom.

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>> 1966

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independence under an elected democratic

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elected government. I ain't going to say

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history.

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1968

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right through 1985 electoral

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malpractices that kept a government

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illegally in office in this country and

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took this country downhill. You heard it

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from the previous presenter

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at the end. By the time we took office

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in 1992,

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we were among the three poorest

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countries in Latin America and the

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Caribbean.

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>> You had Bolivia above us. Then you had

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Guyana and then you had Haiti.

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>> Comrades

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and I know my dear friend Dr. David

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Hines, Professor Hines,

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>> previously known as David Osborne before

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he earned his doctorate.

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You know, I want to take you down memory

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lane

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>> because you choose

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in your earlier life to be a member of

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the WPA,

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the Working People Alliance and you

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sitting next to people

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whose leader that they glorify by

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calling his name just now referred to

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your group as the worst possible

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alternative.

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>> You remember that?

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>> Worst possible. Are you comfortable

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sitting next to them?

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>> As a little boy in London,

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>> when I was going to school, I had to

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cross the river in the boat. Sha Solomon

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don't know nobody. He didn't bar yet. He

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didn't bar yet. He bar after

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>> and when you cross from when you cross

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from the western side to the eastern

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side behind the bus terminal

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>> written there was reactionaries beware.

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64,

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>> the PNC will fight fire with fire

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>> and steel with steel.

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>> And I kept reading that every time I

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come over. And I decided to do further

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readings.

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>> And I saw that they also had other

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slogans aimed at the WPA because the WPA

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was a pain in that side of the anatomy

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that I will not mention in this house

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>> of the PNC. the history.

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>> You were advised to sign your wills. Yes

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or no?

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>> Dr. Hines, you were collectively advised

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to sign your wills.

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>> Let it sink in a little bit. They will

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understand. Don't worry, hecklers.

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>> Don't worry, hecklers.

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>> They should keep quiet and understand.

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>> Fight steel with highly tempered steel.

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No holes barred.

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>> That is what you as a young activist in

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the WPA.

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>> You had to

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you had to dance between the raindrops

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because if any drops fell on you, you

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would not have been here at us.

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You would have suffered the same fate

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>> like your fellow members

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>> who was left lying in the prominard

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gardens with the weapons next to them.

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Do you remember that Dr. Hines? Give me

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a nod if you remember.

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>> Give me a nod if you remember.

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>> Give me revolutionary.

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>> So they were revolutionary too.

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>> They were revolutionaries too.

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You're a revolutionary, but you're on

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the wrong side of the house.

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>> Joshua Rami, you name him.

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>> And for the young people here, don't let

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them fool you.

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>> You read about Venezuela.

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>> It happened in Guyana, too.

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>> I was a youngster going to school and I

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had to fetch water. Dale talk about

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fetch your water.

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I had to fetch water.

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>> And my friends, we had no gas stove, no

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kerosene stove. They had to gather wood

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and coals. So we had a PNC government

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>> that relegated us in a biblical sense to

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the fetchers of waters and heers of

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wood.

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>> That's what the PNC did to us.

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fetchers of waters and viewers of wood.

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>> When you go into the supermarket

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>> and I used to go to a supermarket in

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Lyndon known as the co-op crescent

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supermarket used to be run by the

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government. Let me talk. Let me talk.

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Let me talk.

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>> Don't Don't try to Don't try to

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>> Don't try to shout me out.

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There was nothing in the supermarket

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beyond rice and sugar. Obviously

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>> because it was grown in Gyana.

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Whenever they bring the supply of the

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other stuff, you had to line up and it

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was rationed to you. And as a little

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boy,

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>> we like to play with names and

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abbreviation.

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So, LFSB

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as little boys, LFSB meant lynen

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forborn, but as little boys, our lived

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experience

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caused us

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>> to see LFSB

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and we said it as little boys because we

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were innocent.

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>> Line up for soap and butter.

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>> That's what we did as little boys.

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line up for soap and butter.

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>> Wow.

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>> That happened in this country.

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>> People had scor

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another name.

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>> People had ricketetts scor.

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And after day two, when you pull it, so

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there some long slime

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berry berry, you can't stand up

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properly.

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White belt.

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>> Are you coming telling us

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>> for people starving?

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>> Fast forward

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>> to another time

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>> because you all benefited from the

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democratic dividend that was ushered in

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in the 1992 elections. and you were able

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to win an election in n in 2015 and you

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run this country from 2015 to 2020. We

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fast forwarding now.

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>> But before we go to fast forward, I talk

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about the supermarkets.

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>> They had and you know they had this way

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like many socialist countries of finding

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some

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>> peculiar names

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>> peculiar names for enterprises.

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Mr. Hines. Professor Hines, do you know

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or can you remember the knowledge

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sharing institute?

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>> Yes, sir.

48:13

>> Can you remember the knowledge sharing?

48:15

Am I lying?

48:17

>> KSI. They used to sell fish

48:20

>> and the other member talk about

48:22

corruption.

48:24

When you go there, you had to beg the

48:27

guy who selling not to give your basher

48:30

only.

48:32

Throw in some bangamary. Throw in some

48:35

butterfish.

48:36

I am saying this because I want

48:39

everybody here and the whole of Guyana

48:42

to understand what took place in this

48:44

country under the PNC

48:49

>> 19. It started in 1968

48:53

>> and it continued until we took office in

48:56

1992.

48:59

Comrades,

49:02

>> I'm telling you this because

49:05

those those who forget the past are

49:09

condemned to repeat it.

49:13

>> And many people many people enjoy the

49:17

democracy in this country. They enjoy

49:19

the social and economic gains in this

49:22

country from 1992 to 2015.

49:27

in fact of 2011. So they get complacent

49:31

and they decided to vote for y'all in

49:34

y'all took them right back

49:38

>> like the proverbial swine who returned

49:40

to wallow in the marrier. Y'all took

49:44

this whole country right back

49:46

to what obtained go back to

49:49

>> what obtained in 1968 1985.

49:55

>> Fast forward to 2020

49:58

in the army.

49:59

>> I did everything in the army including

50:01

leading the army.

50:04

>> Including being the head of the army.

50:07

>> You had to be talented to be selected as

50:09

the head of the army.

50:11

>> Unlike you.

50:16

2020

50:19

>> 2020

50:22

>> we went to an election.

50:25

>> The people said clearly with their votes

50:29

that we don't want you.

50:31

>> We give you 5 years and you failed

50:36

>> and you held on to office

50:38

>> for 5 months.

50:43

We recounted the votes

50:45

>> and what we knew

50:47

>> on closer business

50:49

>> on the 3rd of March 2020

50:54

>> was finally declared as the official

50:56

results of that election. The PPPC was

51:00

returned to government.

51:04

The PPPC returned to government at a

51:06

time when people were starving again as

51:09

a result of an APNU

51:12

clouded

51:14

changing the name. What is PNC?

51:17

>> AFC government.

51:19

>> The people were starving. We had CO.

51:23

>> Talk about

51:24

>> we had CO and we had the worst

51:28

the worst

51:30

>> spit

51:31

>> of management. Yes.

51:34

>> In fact, it was a high level of

51:37

mismanagement

51:39

>> in this country at that time.

51:41

>> You were trying to hold on to

51:43

government.

51:44

>> You were filling your pockets.

51:47

You were spending without any budget

51:50

that was legally authorized by this

51:53

house

51:55

>> because you could not have come to the

51:56

house. You could not have come to the

51:58

house,

52:00

>> right? because you should have held the

52:02

elections after the no confidence

52:04

motion. You held on to power and this

52:07

country went down.

52:10

>> All the markets were closed. You close

52:13

the markets. You close the supermarkets.

52:16

People were in their homes.

52:22

>> Then you know what?

52:24

>> You know what? You continue to fool the

52:27

people. The honorable member Sarabu talk

52:31

about a hospital that was leaking. You

52:34

took a hotel and you said you're going

52:36

to convert it to an infectious disease

52:39

hospital.

52:40

>> You had inherit what?

52:43

>> You had a commissioning activity and the

52:47

media's there. You could ask them after

52:50

they had the ceremony. They cut the

52:51

ribbon and they asked for a tour of the

52:53

facilities. You said no. No tour because

52:57

nothing was in there.

52:59

>> Nothing was in there.

53:02

>> We assumed

53:05

office on the 2nd of August

53:09

2020

53:11

and in less than 3 months

53:14

>> Dr. Frank Anthony and his staff had that

53:17

hotel

53:19

that that hotel converted to a hospital

53:21

up and running with gas with specialist

53:24

with dedication and saving lives.

53:28

That's what we did for these people of

53:30

Guyana. And that's why I'm saying

53:35

do not

53:37

forget the past

53:40

because you're condemned to repeat it or

53:43

to endure it. If you elect people,

53:47

you forget the past and reelect people,

53:50

you're condemned.

53:52

Mr. Speaker

53:55

>> at the end of 2025 elections

54:01

>> 109,000

54:05

>> and 66

54:07

>> D voted for win

54:11

>> 77,998

54:15

>> D voted

54:17

>> for the remnants

54:19

>> AP and UFC

54:21

>> remnants win got 16 seats

54:25

>> AP and you got 12

54:28

>> and the left left.

54:30

>> The person who got the largest among the

54:32

leftovers got a seat.

54:36

>> And you know what?

54:38

We got 242,498

54:44

votes.

54:48

But

54:50

>> we made a promise to the people in our

54:52

manifesto.

54:54

>> We made a promise to the people in our

54:56

manifesto

54:59

that when the PPPC is in government,

55:04

>> we manage

55:06

for the improvement of all the people.

55:09

We don't care who you voted for.

55:13

>> We don't care who you voted for.

55:17

We manage for all the people

55:20

>> in the government.

55:23

>> Comrade, listen and learn.

55:27

If you're disabled,

55:31

>> if you're old,

55:33

>> if you're young,

55:35

>> if you're unemployed,

55:37

>> if you're undermployed,

55:40

a waste,

55:41

>> if you're a business owner,

55:44

>> if you're a woman, you're a child.

55:47

>> There is something in this budget for

55:50

all of you.

55:52

>> All of you.

55:55

>> Comrades. from 83 billion to 12 billion.

55:59

>> That is not important.

56:01

>> What is important is that you are on the

56:03

other side of the house

56:06

>> and we will ensure that you don't starve

56:09

because we'll ensure nobody in this

56:12

country starve and that's why we have

56:14

the measures in that budget. Read it and

56:18

read it again and again and again until

56:21

you understand it. And when you

56:23

understand it and you start believing it

56:26

and see it being unfolded around you and

56:30

start benefiting from all the programs

56:32

and all the projects by 20 30 20

56:38

>> you will be you will be voting for us on

56:42

this side of the house.

56:47

>> Mr. Speaker,

56:50

>> this budget is about putting people

56:54

force

56:55

budget,000

57:00

>> comrade

57:01

when you finish I will continue on the

57:04

budget from

57:16

>> Mr. Speaker

57:18

>> given the given the above context.

57:22

>> It is now my honor

57:24

>> to demonstrate

57:25

>> the developments and achievements across

57:30

>> the core programat programmatic areas

57:32

that fall under the opaces of the office

57:35

of the prime minister and how they play

57:38

into that vision.

57:41

>> Power generation.

57:43

You failed this country at power

57:45

generation.

57:47

>> You had no vision.

57:48

>> No vision.

57:50

>> And there was no growth.

57:52

>> So you sat on what you were generating

57:56

>> and you felt

57:58

>> that that was enough for Guyana.

58:01

>> But after dealing with CO and setting

58:03

this country on a sound footing for

58:07

economic takeoff, that's a new term.

58:09

Check it out. for economic takeoff

58:13

>> significantly

58:14

>> for economic takeoff.

58:18

>> We have seen

58:20

>> tremendous growth in the demand for

58:23

power in our country and we had to plan

58:26

for it in the short, medium and long

58:30

term. Something that you failed to do.

58:34

>> Mr. Speaker,

58:36

>> power generation sit at the center of

58:39

our development agenda

58:42

>> because it underpins productivity,

58:45

competitiveness,

58:47

and quality of life.

58:51

Our approach, Mr. speaker combines

58:54

investment in renewable energy with

58:58

transformational projects such as the

59:00

gas to energy project to deliver

59:04

affordable,

59:06

>> reliable

59:07

and accessible electricity to all gy,

59:12

>> Mr.

59:13

This is directly aligned with our

59:16

commitment to advancing the global

59:20

goal of universal access to modern

59:23

energy while reducing costs,

59:26

strengthening energy security and

59:29

supporting sustainable

59:32

economic expansion.

59:37

>> I write to myself,

59:40

>> Mr. Speaker, the gas to energy project

59:43

remains

59:45

the most consequential investment

59:47

undertaken by this government

59:50

>> and is aimed to transform Guyana's

59:52

economic foundation

59:54

>> in 2025.

59:57

>> The program move firmly from planning

60:00

into large scale execution

60:04

>> at Wales. Phase one construction

60:07

advanced materially

60:09

>> under the EPC

60:11

>> and that is the engineering procurement

60:14

and construction works program.

60:17

Approximately 6 to 7% of foundation

60:21

piling was completed to date.

60:24

>> More than 3,000 cubic meters of

60:27

structural concrete were poured.

60:31

All four turbines were transported and

60:34

positioned on their foundations.

60:38

>> Mr. Speaker, six power transformers are

60:42

now in place at Wales and the structural

60:46

foundations for the four heat recovery

60:48

steam generators were completed.

60:54

>> This Mr. Mr. speaker is a transformative

60:58

project

60:59

>> that will take Guyana

61:01

>> into the future. We will have

61:04

electricity from that project in the

61:08

last quarter

61:10

>> of 2026.

61:12

>> 2026

61:15

>> reliable and low cost electricity

61:19

>> enabling heavy manufacturing

61:22

>> anchoring Wales development zone

61:26

>> and it will attract local and foreign

61:28

investors

61:30

>> that Mr. speaker will have a tremendous

61:33

industrial and economic impact here in

61:37

Guyana.

61:39

More stable electricity supply. That's

61:40

how it will affect you.

61:43

>> Lower energy costs over time.

61:46

>> New job skills,

61:48

>> new jobs and skills training,

61:51

stronger local industries, more

61:54

affordable food

61:56

>> and goods.

61:58

>> As part of the project, Phase one, we

62:01

have phase two and phase two

62:05

will see an advancement in terms of the

62:09

procurement process this year.

62:11

>> But definitely it is on target for

62:14

completion by 2030.

62:17

And phase two, we will have the

62:19

fertilizer plant which will lower food

62:22

cost in Guyana. A gas bottling plant. I

62:25

trust your word.

62:26

>> Low cost of cooking gas in Guyana.

62:29

>> A glass for the construction and export

62:32

of G of of glass from Guyana.

62:35

>> Data center important for us here in

62:39

Guyana will be established

62:41

>> to support our digital economy

62:44

>> and the NGL export

62:47

>> for revenue

62:49

>> generation.

62:51

>> Mr. Speaker,

62:55

Comrade,

62:56

>> just listen and learn.

62:58

>> Listen and learn.

63:01

>> Mr. Speaker, over the past 5 years,

63:05

>> the gas the Guyana Energy Agency has

63:09

played a central role in advancing our

63:12

government's commitment to affordable,

63:15

reliable, and renewable energy,

63:17

particularly

63:19

for Hinterland and Riverin communities.

63:22

Between 2020 and 2025,

63:25

>> this information,

63:26

>> we have invested as a government $25.4

63:30

billion in renewable energy

63:32

interventions

63:34

>> over that period. We've installed

63:36

renewable energy

63:38

in many

63:41

locations of Guyana and we've expanded

63:43

the capacity from 5.35 megawatt to 37.23

63:50

23 megawatt.

63:52

>> While more than 4,500

63:54

jobs were created across construction,

63:58

installation, operations, and

64:01

maintenance

64:05

>> 2026.

64:08

We will install 21 new solar photovolta

64:13

mini grids in Guyana.

64:16

>> We will upgrade 11.

64:18

>> Coming to you. coming to you. We will

64:21

upgrade 11 solar to voltax PV mini grids

64:26

>> in Guyana. We will construct a 3

64:30

megawatt solar PV plant at the Cheddon

64:33

International Airport.

64:36

And we have a project that is ongoing

64:38

with the World Bank where we will

64:40

implement

64:42

Caribbean efficient and green energy

64:44

building projects putting solar PV

64:49

system on over 250

64:52

buildings here in Guyana.

64:55

Honorable PM, I'm

64:58

>> I have the authority to give you five

65:00

minutes to wrap up.

65:04

>> PM, take an hour of my time.

65:07

>> Mr. Speaker,

65:10

>> take an hour of my time here

65:13

with the speaker's permission.

65:15

>> Mr. Speaker,

65:17

this upgrade

65:19

of an installation of solar PV systems

65:24

will benefit many of our hintterland

65:26

communities. Over 12,300

65:30

persons will benefit and villages like

65:33

Barameita, Cibby,

65:36

Caraburi, Quibbana, Akawini, Yarakita,

65:42

St. Monaco and Waka Pauo Oral and

65:46

Searuta

65:47

and Karau all will benefit from these

65:51

projects.

65:52

>> Listen, listen, pay attention. Pay

65:55

attention.

65:57

>> The 21 new solar PV mini grids will be

66:00

installed in regions 1 3 4 7 8 9 and 10.

66:11

>> And Mr. Mr. Speaker, I want to add

66:15

that at Lynen,

66:18

we are constructing a 15 megawatt solar

66:24

PV farm for the people of Lynden

66:28

and we have been able

66:31

to encourage

66:33

a private sector investment

66:36

from

66:38

Bosai

66:40

who will also construct a 10 megawatt

66:45

PV

66:48

farm in Lynden. Lynen will get a combine

66:51

of 25 megawatt of renewable energy by

66:57

the end of 2026.

67:00

>> Excellent. Excellent.

67:02

>> More than any other tongue, more than

67:06

any other region in Guyana.

67:10

That is what will happen to Lynen.

67:13

>> Mr. Speaker,

67:15

>> they like to talk about NDMA

67:18

and Wifi and what they did.

67:21

>> My lived experience, Mr. Speaker.

67:24

>> My lived experience.

67:28

>> Honorable member over there, I'm using

67:29

your tour. my lived experience

67:32

prior to 2020 when I was campaigning in

67:35

the hinterland.

67:37

Every location I went to,

67:40

>> I asked a simple question. Are you

67:42

connected to the internet? They said,

67:44

"Oh, we got a Wi-Fi

67:47

and I tried to connect.

67:50

I spend on the average of two hours

67:52

holding political meetings

67:55

and visiting people. And when I'm ready

67:58

to leave, I check my phone again. It

68:00

still has connecting, connecting,

68:03

connecting, connecting.

68:06

Today,

68:08

today,

68:10

253

68:13

villages in the hinterland of our

68:15

country, 100% connected villages and

68:20

satellite villages. go to any one of

68:23

them and go to the ICT hut or go to

68:26

where the Wi-Fi gy is and you will get

68:30

on the internet

68:33

>> thanks to the PPPC government.

68:36

>> That's what we did.

68:38

>> I don't have the time to give all the

68:39

details as to how we did it. However,

68:42

Mr. Speaker, 96%

68:45

of all our schools

68:47

are now connected to Wi-Fi GY. In 2020,

68:52

23% was connected. Today, 96% connected.

68:56

Mr. Speaker, in 2020, 10% of our health

69:00

centers and hospitals were connected to

69:02

the internet. Today, 88% are connected.

69:06

Mr. Speaker, 7% of our police stations

69:09

were connected in 2020. Today 69% of our

69:14

police stations and all our stations in

69:16

the hintterland are connected. Mr.

69:19

Speaker,

69:20

>> our prison

69:23

>> and no surprise 100% connection.

69:26

>> You had about 60% 100 our fire stations

69:32

100% connected.

69:35

>> Mr. Speaker, this is progress and this

69:38

is what the people of Guyana has been

69:42

looking forward to a long time and

69:44

they've enjoyed and benefit from 5 years

69:47

of progress 2020 to 2025 and it's no

69:52

surprise that they elected us with a

69:54

greater majority because they're looking

69:56

forward with great expectations for

69:59

another five years of development which

70:02

we will deliver. This is just the first

70:05

installment.

70:07

This is just the first installment of

70:09

the second phase of development for the

70:12

people of Guyana.

70:14

>> Mr. Speaker, everybody else,

70:16

>> we recognize that we could build all the

70:18

infrastructure,

70:20

but if we are to move forward into this

70:24

information age, we have to spend time

70:28

and money on training our people. And we

70:31

have established

70:33

an industry and innovation unit out of

70:35

the office of the prime minister. And

70:37

that unit will be busy again this year

70:41

>> training

70:42

>> training our people not only on the

70:46

coastland but in the hentterland.

70:48

Training our public servants.

70:51

Training the trainers who when they come

70:54

they will go back to their villages and

70:56

train the people in their villages. We

71:00

are spending more money doing that

71:02

training. We're spending more money on

71:05

competitions because we recognize that

71:08

in this digitalized world, we have to

71:11

build the capacity. We have to spend

71:15

money on upskilling our people. Another

71:18

important project before I go, Mr.

71:19

Speaker,

71:21

there was a project known as Hinterland

71:23

Pool and remote communities ICT

71:26

connectivity project

71:28

>> that was set up quite rightly said by

71:30

Mr. Sharma. It was set up by the APNU

71:35

AFC government. I assume office on the

71:39

2nd on the 2nd of August and I called

71:43

the project leader and I asked him some

71:46

questions

71:48

and he keep avoiding me and I decided I

71:50

want to do a field visit.

71:53

>> Let's go and see the equipment.

71:55

>> What did you find?

71:56

>> I find several containers parked in a

72:00

hotel on the east bank with the

72:02

equipment.

72:04

>> What?

72:05

And then when I tell him to open those

72:08

containers overnight he moved it. He

72:10

converted a supermarket in diamond to a

72:14

storage one for the equipment.

72:16

>> Mr. Speaker, we arrested that situation.

72:21

>> We restaff that facility and that unit.

72:24

And today I want to repeat I want to

72:28

report to this house that we have

72:31

constructed

72:33

172

72:36

172 ICT huts throughout the hintterland

72:40

and the coastal and riverin areas of

72:42

Guyana. We have another 18 under

72:44

construction and by the end of this year

72:47

we will satisfy the requirement for that

72:50

project with the final construction and

72:54

commissioning of all 200 ICT huts

73:00

and we have trained over 2,000

73:04

>> young people

73:05

not so young people

73:09

>> to manage those hs

73:12

>> to deal with the repairs for those hot.

73:16

Mr. Speaker,

73:18

Mr. Speaker, they don't want me to talk.

73:21

>> They don't want you to talk.

73:22

>> They don't want to hear progression.

73:25

>> But Mr. Speaker, I'm thankful for the

73:28

time you're giving me

73:30

>> to finish. And I want to say this, Mr.

73:33

Speaker, the digital identity card

73:37

>> with no legislation

73:38

>> is up and running. It is issued under

73:42

the authority of the digital identity

73:45

identity card act number 19 of 2023. You

73:49

just said no legislation. You just said

73:52

no legislation. While we have adopted

73:56

While we have adopted a phase approach,

73:59

listen and learn. While we have adopted

74:01

a phase approach to implementation,

74:05

let me be clear, Mr. Mr. Speaker, this

74:07

process is governed by law.

74:11

>> The current pilot phase is strictly

74:13

voluntary.

74:15

>> Mr. Duncan, strictly voluntary,

74:18

>> ensuring no citizen is compelled before

74:22

the full commencement of the act.

74:27

Additionally, Mr. Speaker, it is

74:28

appropriate to note that the data being

74:31

captured is that which has already been

74:35

legally provided to other state

74:38

registries, GRA, GRO and immigration.

74:42

This is simply a consolidation

74:45

of existing legal records into a more

74:49

secure format. Furthermore, Mr. Speaker,

74:52

with the appointment of the data

74:53

protection commissioner on January the

74:56

2nd, we have established the independent

75:00

oversight necessary to ensure that every

75:05

bite of data collected meets the highest

75:09

international standards of privacy and

75:12

security. And very soon, very shortly, I

75:16

will issue the commencement order.

75:19

Honorable,

75:23

>> Mr. Speaker,

75:27

>> disaster management and disaster

75:30

preparedness

75:32

is important for any country. If you're

75:36

talking about development, you have to

75:38

plan for disasters because a disaster or

75:42

a complex emergency that you have to

75:45

deal with disrupts the development

75:48

process. And Mr. Speaker, as the

75:51

minister responsible for disaster

75:54

preparedness, I am thankful for this

75:57

budget that will provide $73 billion to

76:01

ensure all of us are safe in Guyana and

76:05

to ensure we have the early warning and

76:08

all the contingency plans in place to

76:11

secure a Guyana that is developing and

76:16

transforming

76:18

at an accelerated rate.

76:20

>> Mr. Speaker,

76:24

>> you know,

76:28

>> I would like again to commend

76:33

Dr.

76:35

Ashdi Kumar Singh,

76:37

>> the director of budget, Miss Sonia

76:40

Rukdat, and all the hardworking staff of

76:43

the Ministry of Finance for another

76:48

stellar performance

76:50

>> in crafting and delivering

76:53

a budget

76:55

>> of 2026

76:57

that put the people force in this

76:59

country. that put all the people first

77:03

in this country.

77:06

>> The people who voted for the opposition,

77:09

the people who voted this government in

77:12

the office, the people who refused to

77:14

vote or for some reason could not have

77:16

voted.

77:17

All the people in Guyana will benefit

77:21

from this budget

77:24

putting the people force aptly named.

77:27

Mr. Speaker, thank you for indulging me.

77:31

>> Excellent.

77:32

>> Beyond the time, I have more information

77:35

that I will gladly impart to the

77:37

honorable members. They're very

77:38

receptive. Please decide the larger of

77:41

the the opposition. They're very

77:42

receptive to to what I'm saying and uh

77:46

but I have to leave now. Next week we

77:49

have the estimates and you could come

77:51

with some questions.

77:53

>> Lyndon will continue to develop without

77:55

you.

77:55

>> Thank you, honorable prime minister.

77:58

million. Thank you very very much.

78:19

The next speaker

78:22

the next speaker

78:26

his excellency Dr. Bar Jagio

78:33

his excellency Dr. Bar Jack deal

78:37

Gail.

78:38

>> Mr. Mr. Speaker, I'm advised that the

78:41

vice president will not uh speak will

78:44

not be here yet to speak. So I believe

78:46

his time can go to the additional time

78:49

go to the minister of finance when he's

78:51

closing.

78:54

>> Thank you Minister Tira. Honorable uh

79:00

just before we start

79:07

as last we gave a message to a young

79:09

lady. She's not three violations. She

79:30

Chill.

79:47

Wait,

79:52

this

80:02

Good.

80:12

>> Respect the boss here.

80:17

Honorable members, our next speaker is

80:20

the honorable leader of the opposition,

80:23

the honorable member, Mr. Ashudin

80:27

Muhammad.

80:28

>> Honorable leader of the opposition,

80:32

>> your time will start now.

80:39

>> Mr. Speaker, I rise as the leader of the

80:42

newest political movement. We invest in

80:44

nationhood which was established on

80:47

Independence Day of 2025

80:50

and in a mere 3 months was able to

80:52

disrupt the political landscape of

80:55

Guyana

80:59

despite the name calling sanctioned man,

81:02

gold smuggler, international fugitive.

81:06

Despite the delay,

81:08

>> resistance and every effort

81:10

>> to keep me out, I am standing tall and

81:13

strong.

81:17

>> And as the youngest leader of the

81:19

opposition

81:21

because over 109,000 voters believe in

81:25

me and my MPs,

81:29

>> they chose

81:31

>> hope over fear

81:33

>> and gave win a chance.

81:40

Right.

81:40

>> I thank our supporters who therein

81:43

bestowed on me this opportunity to

81:45

scrutinize the largest budget ever in

81:48

the history of Guyana, putting people

81:50

last. Yes.

81:54

And in this vein, I want to remind the

81:56

members on the oppos opposite side that

81:59

Guyana's parliament does not belong to

82:02

you. It belongs to the people.

82:11

Mr. Honorable Nandal, I want you to let

82:15

the nation know about the extradition

82:18

request.

82:20

The extradition request that came here

82:22

on the 26th of November,

82:25

>> that is transparency and accountability.

82:28

>> That is transparency and accountability.

82:35

There is an extradition request since

82:37

November and up to now

82:40

>> up to now we cannot charge we cannot

82:44

charge and bring these persons.

82:51

>> I hope you in trouble them law books

82:53

over there now.

82:55

>> I hope you in trouble those law books

82:57

over there.

82:58

>> Right, let I want you to know that you

83:03

could never be a presidential candidate

83:04

for the PBP.

83:06

>> Never.

83:15

>> Today in this honorable house, I am

83:18

conscious of the weight of the moment,

83:20

>> conscious of the expectations

83:23

of the GY people and conscious of the

83:26

responsibility that comes in responding

83:29

to a national budget of this magnitude.

83:35

Let me from the onset say thank you to

83:38

the hardworking public servants of the

83:40

different ministries.

83:43

>> Although nothing is in the budget for

83:45

the public servants. Absolutely nothing.

83:49

>> Even your guards out there.

83:52

>> Even your guards out there. No increase

83:54

for them.

83:55

>> That is the heart you got for the G

83:57

people. Honorable Nandal.

84:00

Read the budget. Read the budget.

84:03

>> Of course, I know the numbers more than

84:05

you.

84:08

>> I want to know how much is in the budget

84:10

to pay all the lawyers,

84:12

>> the prosecution team.

84:15

>> We need to know that.

84:26

>> Concerning the sanctions. Concerning

84:29

the sanctions, the PPP influenced the

84:32

sanctions.

84:34

>> Before the sanctions,

84:36

>> before the sanctions,

84:39

>> before the sanctions, no, the country

84:41

must know.

84:42

>> I want to answer this. The country must

84:44

know before the sanctions, your leaders

84:48

told me that if I don't release a

84:50

statement that I won't be running for

84:52

office, things going to happen. And

84:54

indeed, it happened.

85:00

Wing.

85:02

>> We need justice for crummy wing. What

85:04

about justice for crummy wing?

85:08

>> Mr. Speaker, let me make this clear. The

85:11

size of the budget does not impress us

85:13

on this side.

85:15

>> Not at all.

85:15

>> Does not impress us.

85:17

>> Perhaps the honorable member Ashi Singh

85:20

can draw comparisons to the nation and

85:23

size versus substance. Julius

85:26

>> and while he can present for 20 minutes

85:28

short of seven hours this much he won't

85:31

be able to do

85:32

>> right

85:33

>> because this budget lacks substance

85:36

>> putting people last

85:41

>> this week I listened to PPP members

85:44

heavily focus on personal attacks

85:47

>> on opposition members

85:49

>> and very little on their respective

85:52

portfolios again. Say it again.

85:57

Say it again.

85:58

>> The government presents this budget with

86:00

much pride and chatter

86:02

>> about its size.

86:04

>> You're right. We I think we getting a

86:06

lot of headache under this government.

86:09

>> A lot of headache under this government.

86:15

>> All week speakers from the government

86:17

boast about their 1 trillion $558

86:21

billion budget. Yes,

86:23

>> with assurance to the nation that the

86:26

budget is financed entirely with no new

86:28

taxes.

86:30

>> Right.

86:31

>> But I want to caution those honorable

86:33

members who are out of touch with the

86:36

realities of the ordinary citizens

86:39

>> that size

86:40

>> is not a measure of success. This year's

86:43

budget represents a 12.7%

86:47

increase from last year's budget and is

86:50

five times larger than the PBP's first

86:53

national budget in 2021.

86:55

>> Exactly.

87:00

>> Every year they come to this house with

87:03

historic groundbreaking numbers.

87:05

>> But where is this money going, Mr.

87:07

Speaker?

87:08

>> Right.

87:09

>> And who really benefits?

87:10

>> To Florida.

87:12

money in Florida.

87:14

>> A budget should be judged not by how

87:16

much is spent,

87:17

>> but how smartly it is spent

87:19

>> and how the people benefited.

87:21

>> Right.

87:25

>> Mr. Speaker, the first duty of this

87:27

house is to therefore look behind the

87:29

glossy

87:30

>> catchy headlines and ask tough

87:33

questions.

87:35

Who are the revenue streams carrying?

87:38

>> All right.

87:39

>> In this unprecedented level of

87:41

expenditure,

87:42

>> how much of this budget flows from oil

87:44

revenue?

87:47

>> A responsible nation plan must be built

87:50

on stable foundations,

87:53

not hope that the world market will

87:56

always be kind to Guyana.

88:02

Mr. Speaker, honorable Ashley Singh told

88:05

this noble house that the economy is

88:08

projected to grow 16.2% overall

88:11

>> and the non oil economy will expand by

88:14

10.8%.

88:16

>> These are impressive numbers. They look

88:18

good on paper,

88:20

>> but they do not help a mother who stands

88:24

in the market

88:26

>> and finds that the salary she earned

88:28

this month buys less than it did

88:32

>> last month. Ask me how I know. Honorable

88:34

members, it is because I have been on

88:37

the ground,

88:38

>> right? I have traveled the length and

88:40

breadth of this country

88:46

>> and I have reached into my own pockets

88:48

on numerous occasions to help many

88:50

people when the government failed them.

88:53

Oh my

88:59

>> fantastic.

89:00

>> Honorable Gail Tashiro.

89:02

>> Mhm.

89:02

>> You're present,

89:05

>> right? Why are you finding out about my

89:08

the little $298,770

89:11

monthly?

89:13

>> I had a lot of I had a lot of respect

89:15

for you, honorable Tisher.

89:18

>> Right.

89:20

>> But don't worry, every month I will

89:22

donate some money to you for cigarettes.

89:24

Don't worry.

89:33

You can see nobody disrespectfulness.

89:36

>> I listen to your speech.

89:38

>> How you can lie and say,

89:41

>> right?

89:42

>> Sorry, you can't use those words.

89:46

>> Mr. Speaker, did I hear a word that's

89:47

unpolarament?

89:48

>> Dishonest.

89:49

>> Withdraw. I withdraw that.

89:51

>> You better have. Thank you.

89:52

>> Yes.

89:54

>> You mentioned 98%.

89:56

>> Honorable member. Uh both words are on

90:00

parliamentary but more particularly for

90:02

me is the imputation

90:06

guided guided

90:09

>> you mentioned 98% of Gian

90:16

>> receiving water portable water

90:19

98%

90:21

is that true

90:27

continue sir. Don't let the pedophiles

90:29

distract me.

90:30

>> No one can distract me.

90:33

>> I went through the worst under the

90:34

people's progressive party

90:36

>> and that is why I will ensure

90:40

>> by the blessings of almighty god I work

90:43

every single day for the people of this

90:45

country for the voiceless

90:48

the oppressed

90:50

to get you out of power 2031.

90:55

Yes,

91:02

>> so I ask are these projections realistic

91:06

for ordinary citizens facing high cost

91:08

of living at a time when the recent IDB

91:12

stats I know you don't like to hear the

91:13

stats

91:15

>> 58%

91:17

58% of GE living in poverty and 32% in

91:21

object poverty Right.

91:30

>> Where in these figures do we see

91:32

betterment for the single parent,

91:36

>> the teacher,

91:38

>> the king cutters,

91:39

>> the fisherman,

91:41

>> the pensioner,

91:43

>> our indigenous people.

91:47

>> The honorable Sarah Brown is here.

91:54

Please do better for the indigenous

91:55

people.

91:56

>> Yes.

91:57

>> Please do better for them.

92:01

>> Because we will be on your backs every

92:04

day to ensure that you better the lives

92:07

of the indigenous people.

92:14

>> Growth that is felt only in boardrooms

92:17

and government reports is not growth.

92:21

Those connected to the PPP are the only

92:25

ones seemingly happy.

92:28

>> And even they are tired of the

92:31

dishonesty.

92:32

>> They are in my inbox complaining every

92:35

day.

92:37

>> Every day they're giving me information

92:39

as it relates to corruption.

92:41

>> Corruption.

92:42

>> Corruption.

92:42

>> Corruption.

92:45

>> Corruption.

92:46

>> Our priority should be the poor people.

92:49

that the rich can handle.

92:50

>> Our priority should be the poor people

92:52

in this country.

92:59

>> We're going to address that very soon,

93:00

very shortly.

93:02

>> We're going to address that very soon,

93:03

very shortly.

93:05

>> If the PPP

93:07

was so keen,

93:12

>> as it relates to this $191 billion, they

93:15

are claiming taxes.

93:18

Why they drop the charges?

93:21

>> Why did they drop the charges?

93:30

>> Honorable Kwami

93:32

back in 2018

93:35

when I used to bankroll the PPP. Your

93:38

leader told me don't leave the the money

93:40

withwami.

93:46

He told me don't leave the money with

93:48

honorable me.

93:53

>> Mr. Speaker, the government wants the

93:56

nation to believe that because the

93:58

budget is the largest in our history, it

94:01

will automatically produce the best

94:03

outcomes.

94:04

>> But bigger budgets

94:06

>> do not equal better lives. Right?

94:09

>> Ask the farmers, the youths, or better

94:11

yet, speak to the auxiliary staff in the

94:14

ministries.

94:17

>> A family can double its spending and

94:20

still fall deeper into debt

94:23

>> if priorities are wrong.

94:25

>> A country can triple its expenditure and

94:28

still leave its people struggling if

94:31

those monies are not properly spent.

94:37

Do the salaries of our frontline workers

94:40

and public servants increase relative to

94:43

the rising cost of living?

94:47

>> Mr. Speaker,

94:48

>> I wish to go back to standing.

94:52

>> Honorable member M. Shashira.

94:53

>> Yes. Thank you, sir. Uh 386.

94:57

A member shall not read his or her

94:59

speech except with the leave of the

95:01

speaker, but he or she may read excerpts

95:05

from books or papers in support of his

95:08

or her argument and may refresh his or

95:11

her memory by reference to news. Mr.

95:14

Speaker, I'm asking for you. This has

95:17

been raised several times in the House.

95:19

I'm raising it again. Thank you.

95:24

>> Thank you, Minister.

95:26

Honorable leader of the opposition, you

95:29

heard the uh point that the honorable

95:33

>> minister raise continue.

95:37

>> Thank you, sir.

95:43

>> I saw

95:45

I saw the high flip man in bellies

95:48

reading his speech.

95:54

I saw him reading his speech.

96:00

>> Honly the opposition, I think everyone

96:03

know who you're trying to talk about.

96:06

Please, please.

96:11

>> Okay.

96:24

We must ask ourselves, Mr. Speaker, how

96:27

callous are the members on the opposite

96:29

side of the house?

96:31

>> To stand boldfaced in this chamber and

96:33

present the biggest budget in the

96:36

history of this country, while more than

96:38

half of Guyana lives in poverty.

96:40

>> Amen. And there is still and there is

96:43

little to nothing to cushion the cost of

96:45

living or to ensure that the people of

96:47

this country can live better lives.

96:50

>> If parents must still choose between

96:52

medicine and school supplies,

96:54

>> then the size of this budget is an empty

96:57

boast.

96:58

>> Right.

96:59

>> Mr. Speaker, as Nelson Mandela reminded

97:02

the world, a nation should not be judged

97:05

by how it treats its highest citizens

97:08

but its lowest ones. Right.

97:12

Let that be the standard by which this

97:15

budget and the PPP government are

97:16

judged. The opposition does not oppose

97:19

development.

97:20

>> Mr. Speaker, 386. Again, the honorable

97:24

member is making no attempt to not read

97:27

his speech. He's a politician who has

97:29

won elections. He said that he won

97:31

109,000 votes. Mr. Speaker,

97:48

democracy.

97:53

>> Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker, just give me a

97:57

second, please. 386 says, "A member

98:01

shall not read him.

98:16

Honorable Chief Whip for the opposition,

98:19

I think I'm well well

98:24

>> and while I might be the slowest person

98:27

in the room,

98:34

>> I I won't I don't I wouldn't mind some

98:36

lessons from you in interpretation.

98:41

>> Lady the opposition.

98:43

>> Thank you.

98:51

>> And let me remind the members of this

98:53

assembly that everybody had a forest

98:56

time.

99:02

>> Honorable to Sher who rose and stand in

99:05

order 386 during our first speaker's

99:08

presentation. Mr.

99:10

>> Parliament

99:12

>> even she had a first time.

99:14

>> Mr. Speaker, you stood in this house

99:15

once.

99:16

>> I want to remind the honorable members

99:17

he said he's new on the job. He's a new

99:20

kid in the block that under Derek Jagen

99:23

as speaker of the house we were not

99:25

allowed to read our speeches. Honorable

99:29

Honorable Minister Tisher, we you and I

99:34

know the rules well.

99:40

>> Honorable leader of the opposition. You

99:43

were speaking about the speaker's first

99:47

experience.

99:50

>> No, sir.

99:51

>> You were saying about my first

99:53

experience.

99:54

>> No. What I mentioned is even you had a

99:56

first time. We all had a first time.

100:00

>> Except my first time I think I ad

100:07

>> very nice. I like that.

100:08

>> Yes.

100:09

>> I like that.

100:14

>> Mr. Speaker, permit me a brief personal

100:17

reflection.

100:18

six-year-old Stacy Ross and her two

100:21

teenage sons from

100:23

Mo

100:25

were promised assistance

100:27

from the very members right in here.

100:32

>> Three honorable members promised to

100:34

assist her building a home.

100:38

>> She waited for months.

100:42

She's differently able and I'm happy to

100:45

know that I delivered

100:47

>> and build a house for her.

100:51

>> Although

100:53

although we have $900 million in the

100:55

budget for the men and mission program,

100:59

>> we got to ensure that these monies are

101:01

spent to uplift the lives of the people.

101:07

Someone take note take note

101:12

continue.

101:16

>> That said, when I stand in this

101:18

assembly, understand that I'm not here

101:20

to criticize without solutions. I am

101:22

force a humanitarian before I'm a

101:25

politician.

101:27

>> I am first a humanitarian before a

101:30

politician.

101:36

I am not here for the position, the

101:38

title, the ranks,

101:40

>> to sit in the Land Cruisers,

101:42

>> right, to live the big boy lifestyle.

101:45

>> I lived it and I know of it.

101:48

>> I lived it and I know of it.

101:51

And it is from these real stories, Mr.

101:53

speaker from standing face to face with

101:55

real people and real hardships that I

101:58

can confidently say this budget does not

102:02

benefit the people.

102:05

>> What this budget is designed to do is to

102:07

have big numbers on paper and then in

102:10

dark rooms billions of dollars are

102:12

siphoned off for kickbacks.

102:16

Ax is axe zulfikar susan vicram or batty

102:22

lion

102:25

referring to them.

102:28

>> Yeah.

102:31

>> This is why every single day with the

102:33

strength of almighty god I will ensure

102:35

that we highlight expose and scrutinize

102:39

public spending.

102:40

>> We will pay attention to how taxpayers

102:42

dollars are spent. and come next

102:44

elections, you will be out of office.

102:50

>> Mr. Speaker, when the members on the

102:52

opposite side of the house announce

102:54

another historical budget, I hope that

102:57

this budget would have been a turning

102:59

point from dependence and poverty to

103:01

empowerment.

103:02

>> Right?

103:02

>> This is not putting people first. This

103:04

is putting people last.

103:07

>> On these fronts, this budget falls

103:09

short. Painfully,

103:11

>> painfully.

103:13

I listen today. Honorable Mark Phillips.

103:17

>> No, that was painful.

103:20

>> You're failing us big time with GPL.

103:27

>> Every day blackout.

103:31

>> Every day blackout.

103:33

>> Just in region six residents call and

103:35

say blackout while you were speaking.

103:38

>> Lucky them.

103:41

They spite 40 to something billion

103:43

dollars a year for the power ships

103:45

>> for the rental every month and the fuel

103:48

something billion dollars.

103:50

>> When those power ships decide to leave,

103:53

>> what happened?

103:54

>> Oh my god. We done.

103:57

>> We done.

103:58

>> You promised 50%

104:01

>> 50% slash in the light bills

104:04

>> for last year up to now.

104:07

>> No decrease in the light bill.

104:08

>> Right.

104:10

Another year,

104:12

>> honorable Vicram,

104:17

>> remember in 2020,

104:20

>> you talkless story because you get

104:22

excited when I hear about gold,

104:25

>> right? Excitement. Remember in 2020, you

104:28

didn't know how much penny weights make

104:30

an ounce.

104:32

>> Remember, you didn't even know the gold

104:34

price and how to find the price. But I

104:36

know there's a forest time for

104:37

everything, sir. I know there's a first

104:39

thing for everything.

104:43

>> How we know how we know about it?

104:48

>> This country,

104:50

>> right?

104:50

>> We get a lot a lot of reports

104:53

>> in Mudi,

104:55

>> right?

104:56

>> The name I think the name Rodrio,

104:59

>> you got to look into that. Honorable

105:00

Vicram,

105:01

>> right?

105:03

>> I know the name rings a bell to you.

105:05

>> Let's go.

105:07

Let's go. We doing this.

105:10

>> License gold dealership

105:14

>> for 2025

105:17

declines steeply by 21.5%.

105:22

>> 121,000 ounces.

105:26

>> But when

105:27

>> but when I was in the business,

105:29

>> the declarations were higher.

105:32

>> Where is the gold going? Honorable

105:34

Vikram,

105:35

>> where is the gold?

105:36

>> Where is the gold going?

105:40

>> An average an average of2 billion US

105:45

>> leaking out of our banking system

105:48

>> causing a heavy rate right now. If you

105:51

go to the banks,

105:53

>> if you go to any one of the banks, you

105:55

can't get us.

105:56

>> Don't listen to them.

105:58

>> And the honorable Ashi knows very well

106:00

what I'm speaking about. Right?

106:03

>> If you go to the banks

106:06

>> for 20,000 wire transfer, you got to

106:08

wait 2 three weeks.

106:10

>> Right?

106:10

>> But when I was in operation, the banks

106:13

would call me midnight to ensure they

106:14

get a couple million US for the next

106:16

day.

106:16

>> Right?

106:21

>> So that is why we are facing a heavy

106:25

increase as it relates to the cost of

106:27

living in Guyana. But they won't tell

106:30

the honorable members in here about this

106:31

or the people.

106:33

>> They won't mention this.

106:35

>> And this is affecting the people big

106:38

time in this country.

106:49

You don't worry about that, sir.

106:52

>> Tens of billions.

106:54

>> You mentioned spent on roads

106:57

>> and look at the condition of the roads.

106:59

>> I would highlight it every week.

107:01

>> All right.

107:02

>> But we know where the money going.

107:04

>> When the contractors receive their

107:06

payment,

107:08

>> they're not doing nothing. No job as it

107:10

relates to maintenance of the roads.

107:12

>> That is it. You continue, sir.

107:14

>> Elections time. They don't want the

107:16

truth.

107:16

>> Prior to the elections, you went and

107:19

meet all these small miners. You give

107:21

them engines. You give them tarpolins.

107:24

You give them pumps. And in the other

107:25

hand, you shut down all the small

107:27

miners.

107:28

>> Right?

107:29

>> But at the end of the day, the small

107:31

miners are the lifeline

107:33

>> and the backbone of this mining economy.

107:38

>> We need the small miners.

107:40

>> The gold price is $5,000 an ounce,

107:44

>> right? You check if two billion US

107:46

dollars are coming back to the system.

107:48

>> Y'all withdraw $2.4 billion US dollars

107:51

from the NRF. Just imagine two billion

107:54

US dollars leaking out the system and

107:56

you guys are turning a blind eye.

107:59

>> Right.

108:01

>> God help poor people.

108:03

>> I know very well about the gold

108:05

business.

108:06

>> Exactly. Exactly.

108:07

>> And from 2015 to 2020,

108:10

>> right? From 2015 to 2020, the PBP

108:15

benefited the most from my business.

108:24

I could recall a story

108:27

>> back in 2019 2020.

108:32

A senior person on this side in

108:35

government

108:36

call me

108:38

>> and they mention

108:40

>> I want you to release a statement that

108:43

you're not providing security for the

108:44

big boys in the PPP. I said I can't do

108:48

that.

108:49

>> I said I can't do that. that that man is

108:50

my brother and I won't do that.

108:53

>> Do you know that the APNU never

108:56

victimized me for that? Although they

108:58

were in power,

109:03

>> never victimized me for that.

109:06

>> And I told them straight

109:08

>> I told them straight that man is my

109:10

brother. I assisted both parties as a

109:12

businessman but I cannot do that. All

109:15

right,

109:16

>> honorable members on this side

109:18

victimizing everyone that is supporting

109:20

the wind party.

109:22

>> Look, just recently on the highway,

109:28

>> just recently on the highway, a lady

109:31

went for a a house a house lot Julius

109:35

>> and they told her that she's a wind

109:38

supporter. She cannot get it. But I want

109:40

to thank um

109:41

>> the honorable Colin Cole. I think he

109:43

looked into the matter and everything

109:44

was sorted

109:45

>> right.

109:46

>> Yes.

109:49

>> That is it.

109:50

>> Was your friend sir? Your friend,

109:53

>> right?

109:58

>> Mr. McCoy, please have some decorum in

110:00

this house.

110:06

>> What is the heavy hatred about?

110:11

>> Let's go. Let's go.

110:12

>> Honorable Vicram, I would like you to

110:15

make lands available for the small

110:17

miners,

110:18

>> viable lands.

110:20

>> Ensure you focus on the small miners.

110:24

>> Huh?

110:25

>> You seize all the lands,

110:26

>> right?

110:27

>> Tell the people you seize all my mining

110:29

lands,

110:30

>> right?

110:31

>> You seize all the mining lands.

110:36

>> The gunmen are terrorizing the small

110:38

gold miners.

110:40

>> We got to ensure

110:42

The minister, honorable Onich, we need

110:44

to put systems in place as it relates to

110:48

security

110:49

for our small miners.

111:01

ly that oil and gas are propelled

111:03

development. Oil and gas are a catalyst

111:06

for developing other sectors. Guyana

111:09

produces 920,000

111:11

barrels of oil every day.

111:14

Record numbers and more than half of the

111:17

country live in poverty.

111:22

>> We were told by the honorable minister

111:23

that the oil revenue is managed by

111:25

parliamentary oversight.

111:28

But how are we going to be parliamentary

111:30

oversight when you guys controlling

111:31

everything?

111:33

>> Is that transparency and accountability?

111:38

>> The minister claims oil revenues are

111:40

protected because parliament approves

111:43

withdrawals from the NRF.

111:46

>> But parliamentary

111:47

approval under a government with a

111:50

built-in majority is no oversight.

111:53

>> No oversight.

111:58

All right, let's go.

112:00

>> Real oversight requires transparent

112:02

audits

112:03

>> done by internationally recognized for

112:05

firms,

112:05

>> right?

112:08

>> Not reports filter through the same

112:10

government withdrawing and spending the

112:12

money like there's no tomorrow.

112:16

>> At present, the same executive that

112:19

requests the money controls the vote,

112:21

the agencies, and the reporting system.

112:25

That is my

112:27

>> Where is the transparency?

112:30

>> Honorable Tashira,

112:34

>> I had a we had one of the biggest

112:37

business in this country,

112:39

>> right? We're all the banks depending on

112:42

me for foreign currency and also your

112:44

party too. So have some respect.

112:56

I don't know what is this. What is the

112:58

problem with her?

113:00

>> Let's go. Let's go. Let's go.

113:05

>> Mr. Speaker, we are generating revenues

113:07

that previous generations could only

113:09

imagine.

113:10

>> Yet, this budget treats oil oil wealth

113:12

as routine income,

113:14

>> not as a transformational opportunity.

113:17

Win made it clear oil wealth must be

113:19

renegotiated, restructured and

113:22

redirected for across theboard national

113:24

benefit.

113:27

This budget does none of that. There is

113:30

no commitment to revisiting unfair

113:32

contracts. There is no clear strategy to

113:35

protect future generations from the

113:38

volatility of oil dependency.

113:41

>> Mr. Speaker, oil money spent without

113:43

reform is oil money wasted. And we see

113:46

that from the poor quality

113:47

infrastructure. This government is

113:50

heavily investing in new schools,

113:52

hospitals, and roads with alarming

113:55

structural defects mere months after

113:57

completion.

113:59

>> But we know why they like these big

114:01

infrastructural projects. We know why.

114:08

>> Oversight must be judged by outcomes. A

114:11

country earning billions should not have

114:13

communities begging for basic services.

114:19

the EITI that the honorable Vicramar

114:22

boast about at the end of the day there

114:24

is no transparency and accountability

114:26

there because all the records you have

114:29

to submit to the EITI

114:30

>> what's

114:32

>> the extractive industries extractive

114:34

sorry

114:35

>> yes

114:36

>> extractive industries transparency

114:38

institute

114:41

>> you learned something

114:45

Many resourceri countries are EITI

114:48

members and still suffer massive

114:51

exploitation

114:52

and Guyana must guard against such. The

114:55

minister boasted about transparency in

114:57

the oil and gas sector. But could the

115:00

minister tell us what the final cost of

115:02

the gas energy project is

115:04

>> and why they secretly settle a dispute

115:07

with a contractor without telling the

115:09

nation what that cost is?

115:13

Tell me

115:15

>> where is the report for the third audit

115:18

of Exxon Mobile

115:19

>> historical question

115:20

>> that audit reviewed over US 19.6 6

115:23

billion in expenses that Guyana must

115:25

pay.

115:26

>> Right.

115:27

>> Yet it is being hidden from Gian. Where

115:30

are the quarterly updates on the field

115:32

development plan?

115:33

>> Right.

115:34

>> The VP wants us to believe that the

115:36

reports were published. But when we

115:39

found out differently, he then said that

115:42

it doesn't need to be public

115:45

>> published public because the guy people

115:47

won't understand to read it. Hi.

115:51

>> But I know how to read it and I will

115:53

read it and analyze it for the gy

115:54

people.

116:01

>> The current system allows the government

116:03

to decide NRF withdrawals. The same

116:06

government to control information flow.

116:08

The same government appoints key

116:10

oversight officials. This concentration

116:13

of power is exactly what oil producing

116:15

nations are warning to avoid. Guyana

116:18

cannot risk repeating the resources.

116:22

Wealth for a select few and crumbs for

116:25

the majority of citizens.

116:28

>> Let me offer some solutions because they

116:31

are quick to say we criticize without

116:33

having any solutions.

116:35

>> Mr. Speaker, here is what real oversight

116:37

would look like for the approximately

116:40

3.25 25 billion USD sitting in the NRF

116:44

>> again.

116:45

>> Forensic audits published in full. A

116:47

truly independent NRF board with

116:49

opposition

116:50

>> with opposition of civil society

116:53

nominees.

116:59

>> Reestablish a petroleum unit with

117:02

specialists to provide oversight on the

117:04

FPS 24/7.

117:06

We want here but one man from natural

117:08

resource, a man from GR, one from the

117:11

Bureau of Standards.

117:14

>> We want a 247 service fully monitored.

117:20

>> Yes, sir.

117:20

>> Right.

117:21

>> Correct.

117:22

>> Additionally, many of the offshore

117:24

workers and the four FPSOs are being

117:27

unfairly treated.

117:28

>> Yes.

117:29

>> And if they dare speak up, they get

117:32

transferred or knocked off. Yet you

117:34

stand in this assembly to clap for

117:36

yourself under oversight you give to the

117:39

natural resources sector.

117:43

I love this.

117:44

>> The young PPP minister, the honorable

117:46

Koma,

117:48

who was ballsy enough to address wind

117:51

with disparaging remarks on bank

117:53

accounts right to speak

117:56

>> gloating in the victimization

117:58

of his master through prepared PPP

118:00

rhetoric.

118:03

Honorable, the same bank accounts.

118:07

The fellow members benefited so much

118:09

from them.

118:15

>> Mr. Speaker, the PPP ministers would be

118:17

happy to tell this assembly that

118:18

over,200 Gy businesses are covered by

118:21

the local content act. How much belongs

118:24

to those same PPP members?

118:28

>> The thing, man. Stand the thing, sir.

118:32

Stand the thing sir.

118:35

>> We got to see how much the shell

118:36

companies do.

118:38

>> Mr. Speaker, there are many gaps between

118:40

what was presented and the realities on

118:42

the ground.

118:43

>> All right.

118:44

>> Let us turn our attention to social

118:45

services.

118:47

>> Allow me to amplify the voice of my

118:49

colleague Honorable Natasha.

118:52

>> Mr. Speaker, this budget glorifies

118:54

social services as world class through

118:56

big spending without sensible reform. We

119:00

we propose in our manifesto an increase

119:03

in pensions, an increase in children's

119:05

cash grants, and modern and improved

119:08

hosts. We propose to build care homes,

119:11

special needs centers, and child care

119:13

facilities.

119:15

>> Not like the overpriced $94 million flat

119:17

building

119:19

>> at Anacrina, right?

119:21

>> But I'm happy since I visited there, the

119:24

building is finally open for the public.

119:30

big fanf fair, fancy headlines, ribbon

119:32

cutting ceremonies

119:35

before the elections. And yet that

119:37

building was there for months.

119:39

>> But our people, they are benefiting from

119:42

the building now.

119:43

>> Right. Thank God.

119:46

>> Let's go.

119:48

>> Yes sir.

119:48

>> Yeah. Because of it. Thank you.

119:51

>> Let's go.

119:52

>> They boast about having housing

119:53

programs. Well, housing must be treated

119:56

as an extension of good social services.

119:59

Housing and a livable wage are all

120:03

inseparable.

120:04

>> All right.

120:04

>> Housing without affordability cannot

120:06

provide shelter.

120:08

>> I could tell you a thing or two in this

120:10

regard. I have built many homes out of

120:13

my pocket.

120:16

>> Mr. Speaker, we the members of WIN

120:18

believe that this budget has plenty of

120:20

words and big numbers with heavy

120:22

misguided spending so that the elites on

120:25

Rob Street could get wealthier.

120:29

>> Against this backdrop, Mr. Speaker,

120:31

here's what a winning budget would have

120:33

done. Increase salaries for public

120:36

servants.

120:38

cut the cost of living by employing

120:41

several measures even if temporary while

120:44

we await the major projects to offer a

120:47

more fixed relief

120:48

>> measures like offering subsidies

120:51

>> on electricity. Honorable Phillips

120:55

on water across the board setting up

120:57

food banks even if it's to offer rice

121:01

flour oil and sugar to the poor and

121:03

needy. reducing fat

121:06

>> and starting a nationwide kitchen and

121:08

community garden project.

121:12

These are measures that should help one

121:14

to understand the plight of the people

121:16

and what is needed to ensure you put the

121:18

people first.

121:20

This and more could have been included

121:22

in this budget.

121:24

What we need to do, Mr. Speaker, is to

121:27

invest directly in people, not just

121:29

projects.

121:31

Many people still cannot afford food,

121:33

rent, transport, and utilities with

121:36

salaries alone. If a pensioner still

121:39

depends on family remittances or

121:41

informal work after an increase, that is

121:44

not major relief. It is survival

121:47

support.

121:53

>> In 2023, we had 73,000 pensioners.

121:57

And I'm using numbers presented to this

122:00

house by the honorable Ashnney Singh. In

122:02

2024, we had 76,000 pensioners, an

122:06

increase of 3,000.

122:08

And in 2025, just over 76,000

122:11

pensioners, no fixed number on the

122:14

increase, but in this year's budget,

122:16

Honorable Ash Singh said we have

122:18

approximately 95,000 pensioners. Where

122:22

did we find these new 19,000 pensioners?

122:29

Are we therefore implying that in the

122:31

year 1961

122:33

19,000 G were born?

122:35

>> Oh my.

122:37

>> Oh my.

122:39

>> One must question if these numbers are

122:42

accurate and where the money is going.

122:44

>> Right.

122:44

>> Can you live on the 46,000? Honorable

122:47

Phillips,

122:49

>> you said you're one of them.

122:52

>> Can you live on $46,000 a month, sir?

122:56

Yeah,

122:58

>> Mr. Speaker, while the PBP government

123:01

spent approximately 4.245

123:04

trillion from 2021 to 2025,

123:08

4 trill245

123:10

billion spent from 2021 to 2025. How did

123:15

it uplift the lives of the people?

123:17

>> Oh my god.

123:18

>> Pensioners received a pittance of

123:20

approximately $4,100 per year. And this

123:24

year the PBB comes to this house asking

123:27

us to support a mega 5,000 for our

123:30

pensioners.

123:30

>> Ridiculous.

123:32

>> That's ridiculous.

123:33

>> Is that putting people first?

123:35

>> Listen.

123:36

>> Listen. 5,000 is the increase.

123:38

>> 5,000.

123:41

>> Let's go.

123:44

>> $160.00.

123:51

I could recall

123:53

>> I could recall in Mashabo region 2 I

123:57

built a house for the oldest citizen

124:00

ever in this country 115 years of age

124:04

right when her family sent me the

124:06

pictures

124:09

how she used to live before

124:12

in deplorable inhumane conditions but

124:15

after all this is the uncaring

124:17

government we have to deal with the PPPC

124:20

See,

124:22

these are things that the PPP should

124:25

look into to better the lives of the

124:27

people of this country, especially our

124:29

centinarians.

124:31

I visited so much of recent and they all

124:34

complain that it's hard to survive on 4

124:37

to $1,000 a month.

124:42

>> What is required, Mr. Speaker, is a

124:44

different vision for Guyana. But some of

124:47

the honorable members are visionless.

124:50

This budget supports inequality. It

124:53

fuels frustration and it does not meet

124:55

our expectations. We on this side of the

124:58

house and thousands of win a new and

125:01

even PBP members refuse to support this

125:04

hardship. Guyana deserves a future where

125:07

prosperity is shared, not promised on if

125:09

the people behave well.

125:14

>> That's fire.

125:14

>> Not like the Eckles rally. If you behave

125:17

well, you're going to get this cash

125:18

grant.

125:20

of the country,

125:22

>> trick the entire country, but come 2031,

125:28

this not going to happen again.

125:34

Mr. Speaker, Guyana deserves a present

125:37

and future where dignity is guaranteed,

125:39

not negotiated. Mr. Speaker, the

125:42

interest of the members on this side of

125:43

the house is to serve the people, not to

125:46

lord over them,

125:48

>> but to serve them. And we will continue

125:51

to demand a budget that does the same.

125:54

There is little evidence that the 2025

125:56

social services measures provided any

125:58

transformation relief to citizens.

126:00

>> When I tell you, she

126:03

>> especially when you pay a visit to the

126:04

Palms or the Amarinian Hostel. I visited

126:08

so I know. Yes,

126:10

>> they act like the realities elude them.

126:12

Mr. Speaker, let the honorable members

126:14

address the declining birth rate in the

126:17

country.

126:18

>> Oh, wow.

126:19

>> Fewer women

126:21

>> are making babies in Guyana with 2025

126:24

recording the lowest birth rate in years

126:27

despite the introduction of the newborn

126:29

100,000 cash grant that takes months.

126:32

and their leader stood right here and

126:34

promised the mothers that they would

126:36

receive it before they leave the

126:38

hospital. I asked a few women why the

126:42

same song reverberates. The cost of

126:45

living is too high. You can't raise

126:47

children comfortably in this economy

126:49

with no proper social safety net.

126:53

Budget 2026 expanded spending in some

126:56

areas, but by how much? These social

126:59

services barely increased under the PPP

127:02

administration. Pension increased by a

127:05

mega 5,000. Wind proposed an increase in

127:08

pension to 100,000.

127:12

Public assistance went up from 22,000 to

127:16

25,000. WIN proposed an increase in

127:18

public assistance to 50,000.

127:23

From 2021 to 2025,

127:27

the PBP only increased public assistance

127:29

by $9,000.

127:32

>> Wow.

127:33

>> How can our differently abled people

127:36

survive?

127:47

>> Increases were not indexed against

127:49

inflation because they do not care. We

127:52

promised to reduce VAT from 14% to 10%.

127:56

Mr. Speaker, not only did we suggest a

127:59

meaningful reduction in VAT, but we also

128:01

propose a revision of the PAE and the

128:04

income tax thresholds to protect

128:06

worstinass families.

128:10

>> In our manifesto, we propose PA from 25%

128:14

to 20%. Right?

128:16

>> And the income tax threshold to 200,000.

128:19

But this uncaring government only

128:21

increased the income tax threshold to

128:23

$10,000 to 140.

128:30

>> Let's go.

128:32

>> Come on now. Let's go.

128:34

>> This uncaring government did not reduce

128:36

VAT. Right.

128:37

>> Instead of easing the burden on food,

128:40

utilities, school supplies, and

128:42

transportation, they remove VA on things

128:45

like new vehicles, hybrid SUVs, security

128:49

systems, jewelry, and high-end

128:51

furniture. Walk through our markets or

128:54

ask a normal man on the street. Speak

128:57

speak to

129:00

have some manners, please. Speak to

129:02

staff in your ministries and ask how

129:04

many of them can afford to buy new

129:06

vehicles,

129:07

>> upgrade their home,

129:08

>> right,

129:09

>> or buy jewelry.

129:11

>> These measures are more like gifts to

129:13

contractors and the rich than relief for

129:15

ordinary ges.

129:17

>> These tax measures favor luxury

129:20

purchases over daily necessities.

129:23

>> Mr. Speaker, you cannot claim to be

129:25

putting people first.

129:26

>> 386.

129:28

The honorable member is reading his

129:30

speech.

129:32

Thank you, Auntie.

129:38

>> Honorable member,

129:43

>> the campaign trail. You're going to hear

129:44

it. Don't worry.

129:46

>> On the campaign trail, you're going to

129:47

hear it.

129:53

>> You're going to hear it in the campaign

129:54

trail.

129:59

Our nearly 70,000 hardworking public

130:02

servants got nothing in this budget.

130:04

Absolutely nothing.

130:07

Not even a small salary increase, not a

130:09

bonus, nothing planned for them in this

130:11

year's biggest budget.

130:13

>> Right?

130:14

>> Nothing at all. On teachers day in 2025,

130:18

I can recall sitting in the botanical

130:20

gardens and the teachers complained

130:22

bitterly how hard it is to survive and

130:25

the pitons they're receiving.

130:27

>> Right.

130:30

Mr. Speaker, our public servants carry

130:32

this nation on their backs, but this

130:34

budget turns its back on them.

130:38

>> They come here and praise them with

130:39

words. Sell big dreams on the campaign

130:42

platform.

130:43

>> Sell big dreams on the campaign

130:45

platform.

130:46

>> Yes.

130:47

>> In turn,

130:48

>> they pay them with crumbs. This budget

130:51

brings no serious wage reform, no

130:53

consideration for rising food prices,

130:56

rent and transport, no answer to the

130:58

frustration in every ministry and every

131:01

police station. Wind's manifesto offered

131:04

a real solution. Structured wage

131:07

increases tied to productivity funded by

131:10

national growth and phased responsibly.

131:14

Because we understand this much. You

131:16

cannot demand first class service while

131:18

paying third class wages.

131:25

>> This budget forgets the working class.

131:27

But we will not. Mr. Speaker, after

131:30

infrastructure, which demands the

131:32

biggest portion of our budget, we have

131:34

education next demanding an allocation

131:37

of 183.6 billion.

131:41

Notwithstanding that in the last five

131:43

years from 2021 to 2025 we have expended

131:47

over 500 billion

131:49

over 500 billion to the Ministry of

131:52

Education

131:53

>> but in every region our schools have

131:55

plenty of problems. In every region we

131:58

have problems as it relates to our

132:01

schools.

132:03

Our education system is not properly

132:06

managed. The big C word we can't use

132:09

plagues the Ministry of Education.

132:13

>> And Mr. Speaker, I have highlighted and

132:16

assisted many schools with

132:17

inefficiencies in education.

132:22

>> My track record will show that act that

132:24

across nursery, primary and secondary

132:27

schools, I have reached into my own

132:29

pocket to assist students and teachers.

132:32

>> Mr. Speaker, again I raise 386. The

132:35

honorable member is making no attempt to

132:37

abide by the standing rules.

132:41

>> Honorable member, the standing rules,

132:43

the standing orders are quite clear

132:45

about reading.

132:46

>> So,

132:49

picking up the slack.

132:51

>> Picking up the slacks. Long before I was

132:53

elected leader of the opposition.

132:55

Honorable Paragon.

132:58

>> Honorable Parag, you need to ensure you

133:01

do better for our children.

133:07

28 years now the PPP in office and the

133:10

children of this country are forced to

133:12

use pit lines in schools. Bullying in

133:16

many of our schools across Guyana is

133:17

excessive. The school feeding program

133:21

needs a complete overhaul.

133:24

We have received so many complaints

133:26

about the meals and with the billion

133:28

spent to build these schools and dorms.

133:31

Many are way behind schedule and there

133:34

are visible structural defects within

133:36

months.

133:39

I urge the honorable parak to take a

133:41

walk up the road to the $700 million

133:44

rid dry weather school. Walk across on a

133:48

rainy day and you will see that the

133:50

school is leaking.

133:52

Another rush project. Another example of

133:54

mismanagement.

133:57

>> Honorable member, two things.

134:00

it. The honorable minister said the roof

134:03

was not leaking in this house. That a

134:06

tap was left on

134:09

and

134:11

>> that tap

134:13

that tap was left on between the roof

134:16

and the floor.

134:20

Right.

134:20

>> So to accuse

134:23

>> the honorable

134:25

minister of not doing anything about a

134:28

leaking roof is not accurate.

134:33

>> Guided sir.

134:33

>> And then the second thing is uh

134:37

>> look at the reading because it's obvious

134:39

from here.

134:43

>> Yes sir.

134:45

>> You don't have to read everything that

134:47

Chris

134:49

Our honorable members on the other side

134:51

of the house want to talk about putting

134:53

people first.

134:55

>> These are some of the issues you need to

134:57

address if you truly want to put our

134:59

people first.

135:01

>> Address bullying and blunt violence

135:04

among our students and even physical

135:06

assault. metal outer teachers. A senior

135:09

female teacher at Charity Secondary

135:11

School in region 2 was brutally

135:13

assaulted by a grade nine male student

135:15

on June on January the 22nd, 2026.

135:20

>> Address the unstable electricity supply

135:23

in schools at Kurukuru Nursery and

135:25

Blackwater Primary in the Bereimma

135:27

River.

135:29

>> Address the bat and pigeon infestation

135:31

in schools, namely the Zeberg Secondary

135:34

School and Port Kauma Nursery School.

135:36

All right.

135:38

All right.

135:42

>> Work on fixing schools of our dear

135:45

Amarinian children like the dangerous

135:48

dilapidated China nursery and primary

135:51

schools.

135:53

The Chinoing school.

135:55

Some schools in the hintterland that

135:57

should have dormitories are still

135:59

waiting to see them built. Though the

136:02

contracts were awarded awarded to

136:05

>> though they were awarded a lot of them

136:08

unfinished.

136:09

>> Oh my god.

136:10

>> Parents must send their children to live

136:12

with relatives or keep them home.

136:15

>> Teachers sharing beds at the home of

136:17

another teacher because the living

136:19

quarters they were given is not fit for

136:22

humans.

136:25

allocate more space for sports and

136:27

recreation for many of our schools that

136:30

are woefully lacking.

136:33

>> The because we care cash grant

136:36

>> $200,000

136:39

>> before the elections

136:42

>> in Lemm was promised

136:44

>> to the 206,000

136:47

children across this country. And now

136:50

you come to this honorable house

136:53

>> to give us $85,000.

136:56

>> To give us $85,000

137:00

>> $85,000. What happened? You promised

137:03

$200,000.

137:07

>> $200,000 you promised the children.

137:17

>> Mr. Speaker, as if enough mess was not

137:19

made at Ministry of Education,

137:23

>> they picked up this very member and put

137:25

her in a corner at local government. The

137:27

Ministry of Local Government is asking

137:29

us to spend 2 billion to upgrade

137:31

markets. But in 2025, the Ministry of

137:34

Local Government expenditure was 41.9

137:37

billion with over 2.7 billion approved

137:41

for upgrades to border and other

137:43

markets.

137:44

>> So, we must ask where is the money

137:46

going?

137:51

Mr. Speaker, the honorable prayer

137:54

>> is wrong and about the markets taking

137:56

pictures without addressing the issues.

137:59

>> It is like putting band-aid on a womb

138:02

>> that needs to be cleaned and dressed

138:04

properly.

138:05

>> I have visited both markets and they are

138:08

poorly maintained and remain the same.

138:12

>> Poorly maintained and remain the same.

138:14

We need to desilt the drains. We need to

138:17

ensure the washrooms are working.

138:19

>> Right?

138:20

>> The vagrants are taking over the market.

138:22

>> Right?

138:23

>> So these are the things we have to focus

138:25

on.

138:25

>> Drainage is a mess.

138:28

>> Drainage is a mess.

138:30

>> Drainage.

138:31

>> Last year billions were budgeted for

138:33

solid waste management. Yet garbage bins

138:35

were overflowing in the city.

138:37

>> This year again the big spender comes

138:40

for more billions.

138:45

Mr. Speaker, the PB cabinet is uncaring.

138:48

How a minister could try to convince us

138:51

that chocolates from humble beginnings

138:53

can have you buy houses abroad and build

138:55

mansions at home? The average chocolate

138:57

vendor would be lucky to get one of the

139:00

core homes they are building. And

139:01

according to the honorable member

139:03

Duncan, your bath towel is a wallto-wall

139:06

carpet in some of the homes they are

139:09

giving. But they do not care. I keep

139:12

saying their priorities are misaligned.

139:14

The honorable member can find time to

139:17

address me so often,

139:19

>> can find time so often to address me,

139:22

>> but can't sort the things out for the

139:25

common man on the road.

139:28

A city that looks neglected is not just

139:30

an aesthetic failure. It adversely

139:33

affects tourism. Tourism is built on

139:36

first impressions.

139:38

Visitors remember how a place looks when

139:41

a vlogger films overflowing garbage bins

139:44

and stagnant waste in downtown

139:47

Georgetown

139:48

>> and highlights it for an international

139:50

audience. That message becomes the image

139:53

of our country to millions of potential

139:56

visitors.

140:01

>> Infrastructure without cleanliness is

140:03

like building a showroom with broken

140:05

windows. But, Mr. Speaker, if we want to

140:08

put people first, we will redirect our

140:11

energies to ensuring the trillions we

140:13

are spending are spent wisely and people

140:17

in every sector are getting a part of

140:19

the pie.

140:21

>> Mr. Speaker, I choose to d the sad state

140:24

of public infrastructure in this country

140:27

as expensive incompetence. Mr. Speaker,

140:30

under public infrastructure, a whopping

140:32

196.1 billion has been earmarked to

140:35

expand and rehabilitate the country's

140:38

road and bridges.

140:41

>> The largest single transport

140:43

infrastructure component of the 2026

140:46

budget, another installment for the big

140:50

boys. When the government chooses to

140:52

hand out road and bridge contracts to

140:54

their friends and family instead of

140:56

awarding the contracts based on merit,

140:59

what we are left with is not quality

141:01

infrastructure. We are given

141:03

infrastructure that is unable to stand

141:06

up to the test of time.

141:09

This government touts a 2026 budget in

141:12

which over 50% reflects expenditure on

141:15

capital works boasting about providing

141:18

transformational infrastructure. World

141:20

class infrastructure. What world-class

141:23

infrastructure are we talking about? Is

141:25

it miles upon miles of road

141:27

infrastructure plagued by shoddy work

141:30

requiring massive repairs just a few

141:32

years after they were newly constructed?

141:35

Lyndon Tquani, our children can't go to

141:38

school. Kumaka to to Corbano. Honorable

141:42

Sarah Brown, please let your husband

141:44

look into this. I heard he's the

141:45

contractor.

141:49

Roads built today, break up tomorrow,

141:51

bridges built today. I just want to

141:53

interject about the standing order

141:56

people who are not here. I don't know

141:59

who is the contractor, but whoever is

142:01

the contractor, they're they're not in

142:04

this house.

142:06

>> Guided

142:11

>> poor planning, poor quality

142:13

infrastructure, poor outcomes, and the

142:16

sea. Well, Mr. Speaker, you b that word

142:18

from the parliament.

142:20

>> Mr. Speaker, this government's

142:22

incompetence is expensive, a burden that

142:25

our ordinary GY brothers and sisters are

142:27

forced to shoulder.

142:29

>> To the honorable Edgel, what you need to

142:32

do is simple. Allow the process of

142:34

awarding contracts at the tender board

142:36

to function as it should, transparently

142:40

so that qualified contractors and as far

142:42

as possible, local contractors get a

142:45

fair chance to qualify for these

142:47

projects.

142:49

Very soon, very shortly, we will address

142:51

the CEO of the tender board.

142:57

>> Playgrounds and recreational spaces,

143:00

>> Mr. Speaker, this assembly cannot ignore

143:02

the state of our nation's playgrounds

143:04

and recreational grounds

143:05

>> across Guyana.

143:08

>> Even recreational spaces for our

143:10

children and youth to go play gets named

143:13

among the big sea.

143:16

The honorable VP has repeatedly spoken

143:18

about the importance of recreational

143:20

centers and community grounds. Yet, they

143:23

are being sold to friends, families, and

143:25

favorites.

143:27

To this end, I l the efforts of my

143:29

colleague, Honorable Odessa Primers for

143:32

debunking the myths that all is well

143:34

over at the Ministry of Culture, Youth,

143:36

and Sports.

143:39

I highlighted so many problems with

143:41

community grounds, and the list keeps

143:43

getting longer. We have cows in these

143:46

community grounds.

143:48

>> Almost most of the community grounds in

143:51

this country.

143:54

>> Most of the community grounds in this

143:55

country. We got grass taller than me.

144:00

>> We need spaces for our children for for

144:03

the families in these communities to go

144:05

in the afternoon when they come home

144:07

from school to play a game of cricket, a

144:09

game of football.

144:16

Mr. Speaker, budget 2026 spends more,

144:20

but it does not do more. And that is why

144:22

we are seeing increased allocations,

144:26

which alone do not equal improved

144:28

outcomes. From 2021 to 2025, we have

144:32

expenditure of nearly 485 billion

144:35

dollars. Yet, we see that hospitals

144:37

without experience and adequate staffing

144:40

do not save lives.

144:43

Ask the family of the 22year-old Renisha

144:46

Niles who died at the state-of-the-art

144:47

Diamond Regional Hospital due to

144:50

shortage of oxygen tanks or Wendy

144:52

Wharton the mother who lost her baby

144:54

girl at said hospital or as the

144:56

surviving children and family of the 26

144:59

year old mother Latoya Griffith and her

145:02

baby who died

145:05

at a new Amsterdam hospital.

145:08

An honorable Frank Anthony

145:10

has the temerity to stand up in this

145:13

assembly and tell us healthc care has

145:15

improved where

145:20

>> some health related problems

145:22

>> 386 reading of speeches

145:24

>> delay in revoke the standing order

145:26

please sir

145:27

>> no answer

145:29

>> delayed payment

145:30

>> honor revel the opposition I don't know

145:32

who is saying read on but clearly that's

145:35

a big violation of the standing order I

145:38

urge you disin

145:47

>> delayed payment to staff especially to

145:50

our patient care assistance. Shortage of

145:53

nurses migrated in record numbers.

145:57

Timely turnover to get labs done. Rush

146:00

hospital projects.

146:03

Hoarding medication at the regional

146:05

offices in the hinterland. Mhm.

146:08

>> Vomit engineering

146:10

make

146:10

>> vomit engineering,

146:12

>> the new Amsterdam hospital project

146:15

>> and the maternity

146:17

and pediatric hospital right here at the

146:19

Ogle yet billions I'm showing the budget

146:22

here

146:25

>> but these facilities should have

146:26

finished long now.

146:28

>> Right. Right.

146:31

fix the problem.

146:32

>> I saw you commissioner ambulance boat in

146:34

region two and just the other day the

146:36

ambulance boat in water

146:38

>> at the super arms telling

146:41

>> 80 year old patient from region one on a

146:44

good trolley at the Ogal airport a

146:47

80year-old

146:49

>> I had to call the hospital

146:52

>> she was there at the airport for 1 hour

146:54

on a good trolley

146:57

>> and that is improve healthcare

147:00

>> expired cancer drugs at New Amsterdam

147:03

Hospital.

147:04

>> It was posted online all over it.

147:08

>> Cancer believe it.

147:10

>> Of course,

147:11

>> member posted up

147:12

>> and it was wrong.

147:16

>> Many health post and centers are not

147:18

equipped to store vaccines due to lack

147:20

of proper storage facilities.

147:24

>> Midway Care Center, you know about that

147:26

company, honorable friend,

147:28

>> huh?

147:37

The name sounds new to you. Midway Care

147:39

Center.

147:40

>> Midway Care Center. It sounds new to

147:42

you.

147:44

>> I heard you're the owner of the company.

147:46

>> Uh-huh.

147:52

>> Suffice to say, budget 2026 repeats the

147:55

2025 approach. larger allocations,

147:59

no proper planning, same outcomes. But

148:02

the honorable minister is not concerned

148:04

about improving healthcare. His focus is

148:06

on his private healthcare facility.

148:10

Where is training prioritizing this

148:12

budget? Why are we bringing 400 nurses

148:15

from Bangladesh and doctors from

148:17

Trinidad? Why not pay our own better?

148:27

The honorable minister of agriculture

148:29

wants us to believe all is fine and

148:30

dandy over there.

148:32

>> But our sugar workers,

148:34

>> our sugar workers were promised

148:37

>> three or four days out of crop.

148:40

>> They were promised three and four days

148:41

out of crop on the retroactive from

148:43

January to August up to now they cannot

148:46

be paid.

148:47

>> And yet and yet they claim they care

148:51

about hurricane cutters.

148:57

If it if it wasn't for me to visit the

149:00

cane cutters of the Albian estate

149:02

>> up to today, I'm sure they wouldn't have

149:04

been paid.

149:16

>> Honorable Schuman failed the indigenous

149:18

people.

149:25

For decades, three fishing companies

149:27

operated in Guyana.

149:29

>> Noble house seafoods, Pretty Ping

149:32

Investments and Rupy. 10 years ago,

149:36

Seabob shrimp catches were about45

149:38

million pounds per year. Now in 2026,

149:42

the catch is only£3 million.

149:44

>> You don't fail the

149:46

>> Noble House is closed.

149:49

>> Redhead is closed. Pretty Paul Singh is

149:51

the only one that remains.

149:53

>> This company has been the largest

149:55

seafood company in Guyana and the

149:57

Caribbean.

149:58

>> With catches reaching a maximum of 28

150:01

million pounds back in 20 back in 2013.

150:05

>> In 2025, catches are down to3 million

150:08

pounds annually.

150:10

>> Together, these three companies employed

150:13

over 2,500 workers. At present, the loan

150:17

company Pretty Paul has only 450

150:21

employees remaining. So now the question

150:23

lingers, why are these companies closed?

150:27

What happened to the 2,50 employees who

150:30

were laid off?

150:32

>> So when honorable member Zulfiar boast

150:35

about putting the people first, these

150:37

are the realities he refuses to accept.

150:40

>> Mr. Speaker, government could have

150:42

helped the fishery companies to keep

150:44

them alive. so that our gy people could

150:47

have remained employed in these

150:49

companies the same way they cushion

150:51

other industries. They could have given

150:53

the companies economic concessions such

150:56

as incentives and reduction of taxes on

150:59

various fishing supplies like the

151:02

endless concessions given to the Chinese

151:05

>> because we know the PPPC

151:08

we know they're very close you know to

151:10

sue and so

151:16

I ask again how are we putting the

151:17

people force

151:20

NDIA

151:22

Mr. Speaker, just take the period from

151:24

2021 to 2025. Approximately $190 billion

151:30

was spent and yet the ills continue. You

151:33

can take the entire budget 1 trill558

151:37

billion and give it to the NDIA and yet

151:40

it won't solve the problem.

151:43

>> Poor management, poor leadership.

151:45

>> No solution.

151:48

>> That's good. Is this how we manage the

151:50

affairs of the people of this country?

151:53

>> Mr. Speaker, at its bare minimum.

151:58

>> Let's go.

152:00

>> Let's go. Don't listen to foolishness.

152:02

>> Well, may say you got some tablets

152:04

there.

152:06

>> Mr. Speaker, the rice industry has

152:08

238,000 acres in this country with two

152:13

reaping per year. Rice farmers are

152:15

losing money in this country and the

152:17

government is doing almost nothing to

152:19

improve their livelihood. Mr. Speaker,

152:22

if only the honorable member would be

152:24

contented with the wealth he amass in

152:26

the PPP's forest term in office this

152:29

last term, he should source export

152:31

markets with the best price. Until that

152:34

happens, it is our farmers who suffer,

152:39

>> livestock, cattle and poultry. Mr.

152:42

Speaker, we are bringing in large

152:44

quantities of meat and poultry from

152:46

foreign countries including Brazil and

152:48

Surinam when we have vast amounts of

152:51

land and wellestablished cattle and

152:53

poultry farmers who are not afforded the

152:56

opportunity to produce adequate supplies

152:58

of meat and poultry for local

153:00

consumption and foreign export. Mr.

153:03

Speaker, while we are here, whatever

153:06

happened to the black belly sheep which

153:08

came from Barbados?

153:12

The last thing we heard the black belly

153:14

sheep. They're at a farm on the on this

153:18

Lynon Suzai Highway at Long Creek

153:22

at a very posh farm too.

153:27

Mr. Speaker, almost 30 years in office,

153:32

the PBP has failed to effectively

153:34

address our electricity supply.

153:38

two power ships and we are struggling

153:41

with inadequate electricity supply.

153:45

>> No, we got to go back there cuz GPL is

153:48

one of the biggest issues in this

153:51

country.

153:54

>> This year in our 2026 national budget, a

153:58

total of 119.4 4 billion has been

154:02

allocated to enhance the country's

154:04

electricity supply and energy

154:06

infrastructure. The PPP's inability to

154:09

find real solutions to these real

154:11

problems continue to see our country

154:14

spending enormous sums of money with no

154:17

concrete solution in sight.

154:19

>> Similarly, Mr. Speaker, poor water

154:22

quality in many parts of Guyana remains

154:25

a problem. Some places we have Asian

154:28

infrastructure and some none at all.

154:32

>> Honorable member, uh I think there was

154:35

an agreement on timing, so

154:40

>> I don't want to say you have 5 minutes,

154:42

but it's now bordering on almost an hour

154:46

and a half.

154:48

>> Oh, hour and a half here.

154:50

>> Wow.

154:57

Yeah.

155:00

>> Conclusion, Mr. Speaker,

155:03

>> as I move to close this debate, let me

155:05

remind this house that budgets are not

155:08

meant to be impressive by numbers and

155:11

records. Budgets are meant to improve

155:13

lives. Budgets are not meant to dominate

155:16

headlines. Budgets are meant to ease

155:18

burdens. Budgets are not meant to

155:21

inflate egos. Budgets are meant to

155:24

uplift people. They reveal who matters,

155:26

who waits, and who is asked to be

155:28

patient yet again. The people of this

155:31

country are not impressed by how many

155:33

pages this book contain, nor by how

155:35

loudly it was applauded by those on the

155:37

government benches. Ges will judge this

155:40

budget by a far simpler test. Did it

155:43

make my life better?

155:45

>> Mr. Speaker, this budget exudes the myth

155:48

of putting people's first. The

155:50

government has chosen this as a central

155:52

theme and it is a phrase that sounds

155:55

compassionate. It is a phrase that

155:58

sounds inclusive. It is a phrase that

156:01

suggests empathy. But a slogan is not a

156:03

policy in action.

156:05

>> Right? When we move past the Polish

156:07

language or for some of the honorable

156:09

members the views down market behavior

156:12

speeches and examine the actual nature

156:15

of this budget, we begin to see a

156:17

troubling disconnect between rhetoric

156:20

and reality.

156:21

>> Because putting people first means more

156:24

than finally announcing a delayed

156:26

promise cash grant. Putting people

156:28

forest means more than asking citizens

156:32

>> to be grateful for crumbs from a table

156:35

made rich by oil.

156:36

>> Yes,

156:37

>> true people forest budgeting requires

156:39

structural and systematic reforms

156:41

>> and deliberate redistribution especially

156:44

since the cost of living has increased

156:46

by 75%.

156:48

>> This budget offers the maintenance of

156:50

hardship instead of the elimination of

156:52

struggle.

156:52

>> Lovely.

156:54

Gian

156:56

just a second, Mr. Speaker. I'm not I'm

156:58

just confirming because you said we have

157:00

um he was at one and a half hours. I

157:02

have one 15 minutes. Just confirming if

157:04

that is accurate.

157:07

>> I am not going to get into a discussion

157:10

on timing, but

157:13

you have here an hour.

157:16

>> Just wanted to confir No problem. Thank

157:18

you, sir.

157:20

>> Mr. Speaker, Guyana stands at a historic

157:23

crossroads. Never has our nation

157:26

commanded resources of this scale. But

157:28

with that privilege comes

157:29

responsibility. We cannot sit here as

157:32

leaders of this great nation and mistake

157:34

volume for vision or lavish spending for

157:36

strategy.

157:37

>> History will record what we did with

157:39

this opportunity. Let it never be said

157:43

>> that at the hour of abundance

157:46

>> that we did not do our best to ensure

157:48

all 800,000 plus GE benefited from our

157:51

wealth. That said, Mr. Speaker, I cannot

157:54

support the 2026 budget for passage in

157:57

this assembly.

158:03

Lovely. Now you continue

158:07

don't like you at all apparently.

158:09

Continue.

158:14

>> Honorable.

158:18

>> Honorable Anel Nandelal,

158:22

>> a matter of national importance.

158:25

>> We have an extradition request here

158:27

since in November 26.

158:29

>> Answer my question.

158:31

>> Right. Please make it known to the

158:33

public.

158:35

Honorable Onage,

158:37

>> the extradition request came to you.

158:40

>> An honorable Todd. Please make it known

158:42

to the public.

158:44

>> Thank you.

158:48

>> Thank you honorable member.

158:52

And now for the honorable member, Dr.

158:55

Ashi Kumar Singh.

159:01

America.

159:17

We're going to let it go.

159:56

Ashley, should I take a suspension?

159:58

Seems that your side is now ready for

160:00

you.

160:04

>> Mr. Speaker,

160:06

as you are no doubt well aware yourself,

160:11

we're always ready.

160:19

>> Mr. Speaker,

160:21

>> they love

160:22

>> the privilege

160:24

>> is mine so much

160:26

>> and it is indeed a great privilege

160:31

for me to be able this evening

160:35

to rise on behalf of this people's

160:38

progressive party civic government

160:42

headed of course by his excellency the

160:44

president Dr. Muhammad Eran Ali

160:49

and comprising

160:51

amongst others the cabinet, the

160:55

government members of parliament

160:56

gathered here in this honorable house

160:59

and so many others

161:02

in whose

161:04

hands and in whose care

161:08

the task of

161:11

formulating

161:14

and implement menting and executing

161:17

government policy over the course of the

161:20

next 5 years

161:22

>> has been vested.

161:27

>> I listened keenly, Mr. Speaker, to the

161:31

entirety

161:32

of the debate on this year's budget, as

161:36

I always do every year.

161:39

But of course, this year

161:43

had a number of special

161:45

characteristics

161:48

that

161:50

resulted in me being reinforced in my

161:53

view

161:54

about the importance of the debate in

162:00

this year in particular.

162:03

First, of course, is the fact that 2026

162:08

is the first year

162:11

in this government's current term of

162:13

office.

162:15

And therefore, almost by definition,

162:19

budget 2026 was going to be

162:23

an extremely important budget because it

162:26

was going to define the path that we

162:30

will traverse over the course of the

162:32

next 5 years and set out our

162:35

government's agenda

162:38

for this current term of office.

162:44

But it was al also going to be an

162:47

important budget debate

162:50

because it was being it is being

162:53

considered

162:55

or it was going to be considered as it

162:57

has been considered

163:00

in a parliament of a considerably

163:03

different configuration

163:06

from any that we have seen perhaps in

163:09

the entire political history of this

163:12

country.

163:15

I

163:18

started the budget speech, Mr.

163:20

President, Mr. Speaker,

163:23

by setting out this political context

163:27

and by making the point that we

163:32

hold

163:34

the largest parliamentary majority that

163:38

has been won by any political party

163:45

over the course of the last two decades.

163:49

And we won that majority. We secured

163:53

that majority with the largest number of

163:56

absolute votes

163:59

and the largest or widest margin in the

164:04

popular vote in the history of

164:07

Democratic Guyana.

164:12

There was however, Mr. Speaker,

164:15

a third

164:17

dimension or aspect to the political

164:20

configuration

164:22

that is perhaps worthy of highlight

164:28

and I'm reminded of its importance

164:32

having heard and listened and indeed

164:35

having paid keen attention to the

164:38

presentation thus just made by the

164:41

leader of the opposition.

164:45

Because

164:47

this parliament

164:49

bears a characteristic that has I

164:53

believe perhaps never hi at all been

164:55

seen before

164:58

and I believe it was the honorable vice

165:00

president who said it

165:04

and I will repeat it

165:08

and that is

165:10

that this 13th parliament

165:12

Apart from the fact that the people's

165:14

progressive party civic government has

165:16

the largest majority that we've had in

165:18

two decades, this we are in this

165:21

parliament with that majority

165:25

with the most fragmented and the weakest

165:28

opposition in living memory

165:33

because for the first time in decades

165:37

the opposition benches are almost evenly

165:40

split. we can split here is about

165:41

whether it's 16 or 12, but they're

165:44

essentially evenly split. There's no

165:46

party with any dominant presence in the

165:50

opposition benches.

165:52

And so they are fragmented

165:57

and they are weaker

166:00

than any opposition that we have seen in

166:03

living memory. Glory.

166:07

>> And if we needed this point

166:12

to be demonstrated or to be reiterated

166:15

to us,

166:17

one had simply

166:20

to pay attention to the past week of

166:24

this budget debate.

166:26

And I will over the course of my

166:28

presentation today elaborate why this is

166:32

indeed the inescapable conclusion from

166:36

the last last week's deliberations.

166:40

Let me start first of all

166:44

Mr. speaker by saying how incredibly

166:49

proud I was

166:51

to be sitting on this side of the house

166:55

amongst these people's progressive party

166:58

civic members of parliament

167:03

and I consider it

167:05

a personal privilege and honor

167:09

to be a member of this people's

167:12

progressive party civic team.

167:18

Mr. Speaker, over the past week,

167:21

we saw

167:24

towering political giants

167:28

and at the risk of perhaps disappointing

167:33

some who might expect me to identify

167:36

their names. And we have many towering

167:37

political giants on our side,

167:40

some with more longevity than others.

167:44

But we witnessed over the past week

167:47

towering political giants

167:50

like the inimitable honorable Gail

167:53

Tashira

167:59

who has sat continuously in this house

168:03

since 1992 with distinction

168:10

and who has served the people of Guyana.

168:13

for decades before that

168:16

>> and has served her party for decades

168:19

before that.

168:20

>> And this morning they want disrespect.

168:24

>> I'm coming to that in a minute. I'm

168:26

coming to that in a minute. I saw we saw

168:29

we saw the nation and the world

168:33

were treated to political giants

168:38

of the measure and caliber of ael

168:41

tashira.

168:43

We saw some who were newer to politics

168:50

but are giants nonetheless

168:55

and have served this country with

168:58

distinction.

169:00

>> An honorable prime minister

169:03

permit me sir notwithstanding that I am

169:05

not in the chair today. Permit me sir to

169:08

say to you that were I in the chair but

169:10

Mr. Speaker, I would never dare to usurp

169:12

your authority. The honorable prime

169:14

minister deserves to take a bow. I'm not

169:16

inviting you to take a bow, sir, because

169:18

I don't have the authority to do so.

169:21

But we have in this you now have

169:27

>> Thank you very much, sir.

169:29

We have in this People's Progressive

169:31

Party and as leader of government

169:34

business, the honorable prime minister

169:37

who has distinguished himself in service

169:42

to Guyana for decades.

169:48

>> A highly decorated military general.

169:53

>> That's the

169:55

>> A highly decorated military general.

169:58

respected by

169:59

>> respected by all around the world and

170:03

certainly and especially in this

170:06

hemisphere.

170:09

never previously in politics

170:12

but in public service for all of his

170:14

life.

170:16

Deciding

170:18

that he

170:20

deciding and voluntarily choosing to

170:22

associate himself

170:25

with the political cause

170:28

that is the People's Progressive Party.

170:36

And Mr. Speaker, we saw some

170:41

who

170:43

did not

170:45

spend their entire lives in the People's

170:48

Progressive Party.

170:50

We saw some on this side of the house

170:54

who indeed are completely new

170:58

>> to the People's Progressive Party,

170:59

including colleagues, Mr. Speaker, who

171:02

started their political life elsewhere.

171:08

And they know

171:12

the belly of the beast on the other side

171:15

from the inside.

171:19

And knowing the belly of the beast on

171:22

the other side from the inside,

171:24

they chose voluntarily and willingly to

171:29

associate themselves with the People's

171:31

Progressive Party

171:34

and they acquitted themselves

171:37

at this podium in a manner that made me

171:40

proud to be Gion and made me proud to be

171:44

PPP.

171:45

Again

171:47

at the risk, Mr. Speaker, again at the

171:50

risk of offending some once you start

171:53

calling some names, you will omit

171:56

others.

171:58

But we heard from a James Bond. We heard

172:01

from a Tandai Mallister.

172:03

They were not born in the People's

172:05

Progressive Party, sir. They didn't

172:08

start their political lives in the

172:10

People's Progressive Party. They know

172:12

the other side very well

172:14

>> and they run.

172:18

>> And when at the first available

172:21

opportunity,

172:25

some will say that they ran

172:28

at the first available opportunity,

172:31

they stood up and they said in a very

172:36

intelligent and well-informed way.

172:40

And I might even say honorable Charles

172:43

Thompson that I disagree. Perhaps I

172:44

don't think they ran.

172:47

>> I think they weighed the alternative

172:50

because these are smart people.

172:54

>> And this was not an impulsive or

172:56

emotional move.

173:00

They analyzed the alternatives before

173:04

them.

173:06

They could have been over there or they

173:09

could have been over here. And many of

173:10

them gave sweat and perhaps even blood

173:14

for the PNC.

173:17

And when the PNC had an opportunity to

173:20

give them a role to play,

173:23

>> the PNC turned its back on them.

173:29

>> And having weighed the alternatives,

173:33

Mr. speaker

173:36

and having

173:39

carefully considered the matter,

173:43

they decided voluntarily to associate

173:46

with the People's Progressive Party and

173:48

they too

173:50

deserve to take a bow.

173:56

And then, Mr. Speaker, there were others

174:01

who also didn't spend their entire life

174:04

in politics. They are wellestablished

174:06

professionals in their respective

174:08

fields.

174:14

But they came with

174:16

incomparable political pedigree.

174:19

Pedigree that none of my colleagues on

174:22

the other side of the house could even

174:23

possibly begin to imagine.

174:28

But having been born in politics in the

174:32

people's progressive party and having

174:33

spent their entire life

174:36

as a professional distinguishing

174:38

themselves in their respective in their

174:41

particular field in the in the case of

174:43

the examples that I have in mind chose

174:46

eventually to leave the comfort of

174:49

professional life

174:51

and get involved in frontline politics.

174:56

And allow me here, Mr. Speaker, to

174:57

acknowledge my colleague, the honorable

174:59

member, Minister Vanessa Ben,

175:04

born as the daughter of Cherry Jag's

175:08

deputy premier.

175:11

>> Spent her entire life as a professional

175:13

and distinguished herself as a

175:16

professional and could be working

175:18

anywhere in the world.

175:21

and again as a professional with the

175:25

qualifications and track record to be

175:27

working anywhere in the world looked

175:29

around and said having spent my entire

175:32

life outside of politics well she's

175:35

still a young person so I could hardly

175:37

say my entire life but having spent all

175:40

of my life hitherto outside of politics

175:44

it is now time for me to associate

175:47

myself with my father's party

175:51

because of what I see transpiring in the

175:54

political space in Guyana.

175:58

And of course, there were many, many

175:59

other bright sparks, brand new MPs

176:05

who spoke for the first time, regional

176:07

MPs spoke with passion and energy.

176:10

Who could forget Assures Singh or Zamal

176:13

Hussein speaking with passion and energy

176:16

about what the people's progressive

176:17

party is doing for people in their

176:19

community in their respective

176:21

communities. Mr. Speaker,

176:24

this is the People's Progressive Party

176:27

City.

176:30

We heard from Minister Oes Walrun this

176:32

morning, this afternoon. again not born

176:34

in politics certainly not born in the

176:37

politics of the people's progressive

176:38

party but make made a conscious decision

176:42

today holds one of the most important

176:44

cabinet portfolios in our government and

176:47

is is discharging her responsibilities

176:50

with distinction

176:53

and we saw that distinction on display

176:55

earlier today and I could go on but I

176:59

won't on this occasion

177:02

Mr. speaker. But what we saw

177:07

over the course of the past week

177:11

was a full and rich

177:14

I turned and my eyes fell on young

177:17

Minister Sarah Brown and MP Sonia

177:20

Latchman.

177:23

young

177:25

indigenous Amarindian women

177:30

coming to this podium and I don't

177:32

believe there's anybody in Guyana whose

177:34

heart was not filled with pride when

177:37

they heard Sarah Honorable Sarah Brown

177:39

and Honorable Sonia Lashman speak at

177:42

this podium. You could not help but be

177:44

proud to be PPP and I was proud to be

177:49

PPP when I heard these MPs speak.

177:54

And so, Mr. Speaker, we received the

177:57

benefit

177:58

of an abundant display over the past

178:02

five days

178:05

of why the People's Progressive Party

178:08

remains

178:10

Guyana's only truly national multithnic

178:15

party.

178:17

Evergreen.

178:18

Evergreen. And I say to all Gian,

178:24

I say to all gy,

178:27

there is a home for you in the People's

178:31

Progressive Party.

178:34

>> Including those on that side of the

178:36

house

178:37

>> and that side

178:38

>> and that side that is your

178:40

>> including those on both sides of the

178:42

house. Some of whom I know

178:45

>> will eventually end up on this side.

178:48

Well, I can't necessarily, it's not my

178:50

place to say that they will end up on

178:51

this side of the house, but some of whom

178:53

I know inevitably will end up with the

178:56

people's progressive party

179:04

>> and moreover sir,

179:06

>> as I saw our young MPs,

179:11

as I saw our young members of parliament

179:14

distinguish themselves,

179:17

>> Terrena,

179:18

I was reinforcerated

179:20

in my I'm coming to that in a minute.

179:23

>> I was reinforced in my view

179:26

>> that the future of the people's

179:29

progressive party and therefore the

179:32

future of Guyana are in good hands and

179:36

are alive and well.

179:41

Mr. Speaker,

179:43

in contrast,

179:48

In contrast, sir,

179:52

>> we have on the other side of the house

179:57

>> two, well, three theoretically three

180:01

parties.

180:03

>> All of which really

180:06

came from the same source. They're

180:08

really, I think it was honorable Gail

180:10

Tasher who said it.

180:11

>> They're all the same.

180:12

>> They're all the same. They're all really

180:13

PNC.

180:14

>> Yes. PNC. And I'm not going to repeat

180:17

this catereration joke. I think it has

180:19

taken the internet by sufficient storm

180:22

for me not to dare to try to replicate

180:25

what I did when I presented the budget

180:27

speech. But they all came from the PNC.

180:30

Like I said, some over there there.

180:34

Uh the and the honorable Amana Walton is

180:38

PNC. the several

180:42

um uh win MPs are PNC and those who are

180:48

not PNC as honorable Priya Manachan said

180:51

it's some some rejects some dereliks

180:54

from the PNC and the rest of them I

180:57

believe the word she used was they're

180:58

all disaffected people

181:00

>> the rest are all there because they have

181:03

some grouse or the other people

181:05

>> they have a grouse they have an act you

181:07

don't enter politics

181:08

>> you won't hurt You don't enter politics

181:10

to grind some historic ax or some

181:14

personal cause

181:15

>> or to escape.

181:17

>> Well, I'm coming to that too.

181:22

>> You got a lot of things to come to,

181:23

>> Mr. Speaker.

181:27

I am not

181:29

going to go through

181:32

all of the speeches made

181:35

by all of the MPs. I believe that those

181:40

who spoke after them have already

181:43

abundantly responded

181:47

abundantly and adequately responded to

181:49

the various and rebutted and rejected

181:52

and corrected where needed the points

181:54

that were made

181:56

by all of the MPs

182:00

on the opposite side during the course

182:02

of this debate.

182:06

In the interest of time sir, I will

182:09

focus on two particular presentations.

182:15

One that came

182:17

from a new backbencher.

182:22

Oh,

182:24

>> one that was made a presentation that

182:26

was made by a new backbencher

182:31

>> who leads the

182:35

>> who leads the 12 member

182:39

>> back

182:40

>> who leads the 12 member

182:44

>> atneu

182:45

>> contingent

182:46

>> from the backbench

182:47

>> all of the

182:49

>> which incidentally sir

182:52

which incidentally sir is the smallest

182:55

PNC contingent.

183:00

>> Mr. Speaker, I wanted to make sure that

183:02

I was correct. I even got took the years

183:05

during the

183:07

the dictatorship.

183:11

Mr. Mr. Speaker, in the 1966 Parliament,

183:14

the PNC had in the first parliament, the

183:16

first of we are of course in the 13th

183:18

parliament. In Guyana's first

183:21

parliament,

183:23

the PNC had 22 seats.

183:26

In its second parliament, the PNC had 30

183:29

seats

183:31

>> started

183:33

>> in the third parliament. And of course,

183:35

like I said, I'm being No, I'm saying

183:37

they had I'm not saying they won.

183:41

They occupied

183:42

>> they occupied

183:44

>> in the third parliament they occupied 37

183:47

seats

183:48

>> Mr. Speaker, by 1981, the fourth

183:51

parliament, they occupied a whopping 53

183:54

seats

183:59

>> and they increased their presence

184:03

>> in the parliament

184:06

>> in 19 in the fifth parliament, the

184:08

198586 parliament.

184:10

>> That's the one that's

184:12

>> Mr. Speaker, the PNC occupied

184:15

>> legitimately or otherwise 54 seats. 54.

184:24

>> In the sixth parliament, they occupied

184:26

26 seats. In the seventh parliament, 25.

184:31

Well, of course, we are now in the post

184:33

1992 era. In 1992, they occupied 26

184:37

seats. In 19 in the seventh parliament,

184:40

they occupied 25 seats. In the eighth

184:43

parliament, this is the the 2001

184:45

parliament occupied 27 seats. In the

184:48

ninth parliament, they occupy 22 seats.

184:52

In the 10th parliament, by then they had

184:55

changed their name to APNU or APNFC. I'm

184:59

not sure.

185:01

There's a lot of debate about putting

185:02

putting people's first. The word people

185:05

has been at the beginning of the

185:07

People's Progressive Party since time

185:09

immemorial.

185:12

We didn't discard the name starting with

185:15

people people's national congress in

185:17

their case to hide under the disguise of

185:21

another name. But put that that's a

185:22

discussion for another day.

185:26

>> People by the 10th parliament they held

185:30

26 seats. In the 11th parliament

185:34

they held 33 seats. This is the

185:38

>> the the minority. Of course I should

185:40

have said in 20 in the 10th parliament

185:42

they held 26 seats but together with AFC

185:45

26 + 7 is 33 that's when they had the

185:48

one what we have described as the one

185:50

seat majority

185:52

>> in the 11th parliament they held 33

185:56

seats

185:58

in the 12th parliament which of course

186:00

is the parliament that was just

186:02

concluded where we were returned to

186:04

office they held 31 seats and in the

186:07

13th parliament

186:09

>> they hold 12 seats

186:11

>> on lucky number 13. What?

186:13

>> Mr. Speaker,

186:18

>> Friday the 13th,

186:24

>> Mr. Speaker,

186:28

>> notwithstanding

186:31

>> the evident evidently questionable

186:35

results during the 1964

186:38

to 1990

186:40

period.

186:42

I think it is fair to say that this

186:46

last election,

186:50

the people of Guyana

186:52

delivered a very clear message to the

186:56

PNC.

186:59

And it is under these circumstances

187:04

that the honorable Terren Campbell was

187:08

catapulted to lead this band of merry

187:13

men and women

187:14

>> of backbench

187:14

>> of 12 backbenturers

187:18

>> 12 disciples

187:19

>> and I want to say this Mr. Speaker, I

187:21

want to say because I have I try to be a

187:24

respectful person most of the and I

187:27

believe I succeed most of the time, not

187:28

necessarily always,

187:30

but I try to be a respectful person most

187:33

of the time.

187:35

I have had the honor to have served in

187:38

parliaments

187:40

where I sat opposite

187:45

Robert Corbin. I didn't have the

187:46

privilege of sitting in a parliament

187:47

opposite Desmond Hoy. When I came into

187:50

the parliament, the leader of the

187:51

opposition was Robert Corbin.

187:54

So I served in a parliament where the

187:57

PNC was led by Robert Corbin.

188:01

I served in the parliament where the PNC

188:06

was led by David Granger.

188:10

I served in the parliament

188:13

where the PNC was led by Joe

188:19

Harmon.

188:21

I served in the parliament when the PNC

188:24

was led by Aubrey Norton

188:28

and I must say, Mr. speaker that I have

188:31

never in any of those previous instances

188:36

witnessed anything like I witnessed over

188:38

the last 5 days

188:42

>> because

188:42

>> was that good

188:45

>> because

188:47

if the PNC had not already hit a low

188:51

point by securing only 12 seats

188:54

performance

188:54

>> they certainly had hit a low point by

188:57

the performance of the member of

188:59

parliament

189:00

leading them in this house.

189:06

>> Mr. Speaker,

189:08

>> no PNC MP. Mr. Speaker, I'll tell you

189:10

this because I, like I said, I too

189:12

wasn't born in politics. I have good

189:14

relationships with a lot of people in

189:16

the PNC. I have good relationships with

189:18

everybody in Ghana.

189:20

I have never witnessed

189:24

>> a more vile personalized behavior.

189:29

a more vulgar, vicious, vitriolic,

189:33

>> yes, no decor

189:34

>> behavior

189:36

by anybody who led the PNC in this

189:39

parliament

189:40

>> like I witnessed displayed by the

189:43

honorable Terren Campbell.

189:47

>> And Mr. Speaker, he has this interesting

189:50

way.

189:51

I don't think it is a secret that there

189:53

is a historic family association because

189:55

he mentions it every time he launches a

189:58

personalized attack against me.

190:01

I think he mentioned it in parliament

190:02

the other day. I

190:03

>> think he's smart.

190:04

>> I think he said he and my father are

190:06

friends. He said

190:09

>> well and it's not the first time he said

190:10

it. He keeps repeating it. Every time he

190:12

launches a personalized attack against

190:14

me, he keeps saying it. And it reminds

190:16

me, sir, of that famous old analogy

190:22

of

190:23

the Nazi

190:26

who

190:27

would always say, "But I'm not really a

190:30

Nazi because I have a Jewish friend."

190:34

>> Or of the Indogyanese man who is raid

190:37

and racist, but who would always say,

190:39

"Me, I couldn't possibly be a racist

190:41

because I have an Indo-Ganese friend."

190:44

or my best friends are Indo-Ganese or

190:46

vice versa the AfroGanese person who is

190:49

rapidly racist and says me I could never

190:52

be racist. I have an IndoGanese friend.

190:54

How why could you possibly describe me

190:56

as a racist?

190:58

The Honorable Terren Campbell repeatedly

191:01

I have never in my political life been

191:04

subject not and I'm not only speaking

191:07

about myself.

191:09

I have never been subject to and I have

191:12

never witnessed such vile personalized

191:17

attacks on people in politics. Never in

191:20

my life.

191:23

>> Mr. Speaker,

191:25

>> Mr. Speaker, I'm not going to speak

191:27

because I I

191:29

>> I've been in politics for a while so I

191:31

could handle anything.

191:33

>> I'm coming to you honorable Priya

191:34

Manikan. I'm coming to you honorable

191:37

minister Manikan.

191:40

This honorable member, Mr. Speaker,

191:42

notoriously

191:43

>> done

191:44

>> notoriously made a post on Facebook

191:49

body shaming a female minister. That's

191:52

>> right, sir.

191:55

>> Well, I'll tell you what,

191:57

the wave of reprimands that was

192:00

unleashed on him made him delete the

192:03

post. Oh my

192:06

>> even I couldn't do that.

192:07

>> Including by people who are connected to

192:09

him and I'm not going to name them.

192:11

>> Some of them sitting in the

192:12

>> I'm not going to name them out of

192:14

respect for them.

192:16

>> Including by people connected to him who

192:19

said to him, "Shame on you."

192:22

>> Come on Ghan Street.

192:24

>> And he was forced to delete.

192:27

>> He was forced to delete the post. But

192:30

Mr. Speaker,

192:31

>> I didn't do that.

192:32

>> Mr. Speaker, if you will,

192:35

>> you can't change the innate

192:37

characteristics of a person.

192:40

>> So having already been publicly shamed

192:44

because of his behavior towards

192:47

women in politics, the honor member

192:49

comes to this house. When did he speak?

192:52

Yesterday.

192:53

>> Yesterday.

192:54

>> And he's speaking about projects.

192:57

I think somebody mentioned something

192:59

about a project that had a design flaw.

193:01

I think the honorable Pyman Chan and I I

193:04

had to listen to this because I was like

193:06

almost in disbelief.

193:10

>> I had to listen to this thing and I'm

193:11

inviting the public to play this video

193:14

back.

193:16

There are certain lines, Mr. Speaker,

193:18

that you don't cross. None of us is

193:21

perfect, but there are certain lines you

193:23

don't. And I know I haven't discussed

193:25

this matter with the minister, man, but

193:27

I know she heard what he said.

193:28

>> I heard it was true. No,

193:31

>> I'll tell you what though. It reflects

193:33

an attitude

193:35

>> and a mindset

193:36

>> and a mindset.

193:37

>> And for those in this house who did not

193:39

catch what he said, he thinks that he

193:41

got away with it.

193:42

>> I didn't catch it.

193:43

>> I know you I know a lot of people didn't

193:45

catch it.

193:46

>> I'm going to tell you what he said.

193:48

>> So the honorable Priya man spoke about

193:51

the design floor.

193:54

She was speaking about Hags Bosch and

193:56

she was speaking about the road along

193:58

Hags Bosch and she gave an explanation.

194:03

>> The Honorable Terren Campbell comes to

194:05

this house at the microphone as the

194:08

leader of Forbes Barnam's party

194:13

>> as the leader of Far dressing up like he

194:15

go look like Forbes warn and somebody

194:17

say you wear the Barnum suit on Monday

194:19

or Tuesday. I don't pay attention to

194:21

them things.

194:23

>> But

194:24

coming to this parliament,

194:27

taking the podium, leader of Burnham's

194:30

party,

194:33

and this is what he said.

194:38

There have been so many design flaws in

194:40

this country. And he starts to list

194:42

examples. He said there was a design

194:43

flaw with Skeleton. There was a design

194:45

flaw with Amiler. He gave a couple other

194:48

examples. He said there's a design flaw

194:49

on the bar Jagdale bridge. The trucks

194:51

are rolling back.

194:54

>> And then he says there's a design flaw

194:56

with everything including Priya

194:58

Manachan.

195:01

>> Put that phrase in quotation marks

195:05

>> and watch the video back.

195:07

>> No chicken wings.

195:09

>> Watch the video back. There's a design

195:11

flaw with everything.

195:16

chicken wings.

195:16

>> There's a design flaw with everything,

195:18

including Priya Manich.

195:20

>> End of quote.

195:21

>> And they laugh over

195:22

>> and they laughed aoriously.

195:24

>> A joke. It was a joke.

195:25

>> It was a joke.

195:26

>> It was a joke of

195:27

>> a woman member of parliament.

195:30

>> A woman minister

195:31

>> and Ganesh laugh.

195:33

>> Ganesh

195:35

>> laugh now

195:37

>> leader

195:39

>> leader of B Forbes. No amount of

195:41

dressing up in Borham suit

195:43

>> will take you out of the gutter.

195:45

>> That's right.

195:47

>> No amount of dressing up.

195:50

>> And no amount of shouting and raising

195:51

your voice in this house to give

195:53

yourself fake gravitas

195:55

>> will lift you out of the gutter.

195:57

>> That's right.

195:58

>> It's a mindset,

196:01

>> Mr. Speaker.

196:02

>> Standpipeish behavior.

196:04

>> Mr. Speaker, there was much ado.

196:07

Somebody posted. So I presented this

196:11

budget under the theme

196:14

under the theme

196:15

>> putting people first. Well, we have

196:17

always put people first.

196:19

>> So So

196:21

>> who else you have put?

196:22

>> We have always put people first.

196:23

>> Who else you have put for first?

196:25

>> We have always put people first. Well,

196:27

well,

196:29

somebody apparently made the point that

196:32

APNU, I think, had this as their

196:36

manifesto

196:38

>> theme

196:40

>> and they posted a big picture of the

196:42

budget speech cover and myself and they

196:45

put the big word, it's a nonp

196:46

parliamentary word, sir, so I will say

196:48

it but not say it. They put a big word

196:50

mark thief with Ashnne Singh's

196:52

photograph and a picture of the theme

196:55

and a big word called I can't remember I

196:58

don't want to it's a member of

196:59

parliament on their side who made that

197:01

post

197:02

and the honorable Terren Campbell friend

197:05

of my father as he claims to be

197:10

gleefully

197:12

friend of my father

197:14

>> as he claims to be

197:18

shares disposed with a big war thief and

197:21

a sne picture on it.

197:25

>> Meanwhile,

197:26

>> but guess what? But guess what? So, so

197:28

he's accusing me of a of being a thief

197:31

because apparently a thief the theme

197:34

putting people force, which incidentally

197:36

they thief from Bill Clinton, but we'll

197:38

put that aside for the moment. But guess

197:40

what? Guess what? A couple days later,

197:43

he was driving in a brand new I think

197:46

Toyota and Cruiser, one of those big

197:48

vehicles.

197:50

And very pleased with himself that he

197:53

had bought this

197:55

>> very pleased that he had bought himself

197:58

this Toyota and cruiser and apparently

198:00

this time paid the taxes. Yeah, chicken

198:02

wing.

198:04

>> And obviously paying taxes was a very

198:06

unfamiliar sensation to him because he

198:08

was very elated and excited to post that

198:11

he had paid x amount in duties and taxes

198:13

being unfamiliar with paying taxes

198:15

apparently.

198:17

>> So he posts

198:19

>> that I've paid the taxes on this

198:20

vehicle. Well, there a lot of Chinese

198:21

people paying taxes on vehicles and they

198:23

jumping on Facebook and posting it.

198:28

>> But guess what?

198:30

The honorable member captions his post

198:35

in big bold all caps.

198:39

>> Three words.

198:41

Unbought,

198:43

>> unbossed,

198:44

>> unbothered,

198:45

>> and unbothered.

198:46

>> Yes, I remember it.

198:47

>> You remember the post?

198:49

>> Well, Mr. Speaker,

198:52

>> Mr. Speaker,

198:54

>> you would think that Mr. Originality,

198:57

>> you know, like they got miseniality.

199:01

You know like how you got mis

199:02

congeniality.

199:04

>> You would think that Mr. originality

199:07

who accused me of thiefing the PNC theme

199:12

would have been a little bit cautious

199:13

not to thief Prime Minister Mia

199:16

Mortley's slogan off of her Facebook

199:19

page

199:20

>> where for the longest while she has had

199:22

the phrase on bbought and on boss and

199:25

the prime minister of Barbados has never

199:27

made it a secret where she got that

199:30

theme from

199:31

>> it is Charlie Chisum's biography

199:33

autobiography

199:35

Because Shirley Chisum wrote in 1970 a

199:40

famous autobiography called unbought and

199:44

unbossed. And Charlie Chisum

199:46

incidentally is a distinguished

199:47

Caribbean American.

199:50

>> You know that

199:51

>> whose parentage originates half from

199:53

Guyana and half from Barbados.

199:59

Charlie Chisum, daughter of a gy and a

200:02

Barbadian parent and a distinguished

200:05

afroamerican or Africanamean.

200:10

The honorable David Hines would be very

200:12

familiar with her work

200:15

>> in 1970 authored her autobiography

200:18

titled on bought and on boss. And of

200:22

course, Prime Minister Mley is quite

200:23

rightly very proud of Charlie Chisum as

200:25

a Barbadian, a person who identifies as

200:28

a Barbadian American. So, she's adopted

200:30

this slogan for the longest while, Mr.

200:32

Originality.

200:36

Mr. Originality. So excited and elated

200:39

he was by the novelty of paying taxes.

200:44

>> I ain't going to use the word thief,

200:45

that unparliamentary word.

200:48

I will looked at it and you know I

200:50

suffer my moments of pettiness. Do I

200:52

want to share it to and put teeth? But I

200:55

said to myself, I'm going to save it for

200:57

this Friday.

200:58

>> In the spirit in the spirit of

201:01

>> I'm going to save it for this Friday.

201:05

>> I said that already. Pay attention.

201:08

>> Pay attention.

201:11

>> Pay attention.

201:16

pay attention.

201:21

>> Mr. Speaker,

201:23

>> standing order,

201:25

>> the honorable member is not supposed to

201:27

heckle. He's not in his seat.

201:29

>> He has to sit in his seat.

201:31

>> Mr. Campbell unbothered from Granger.

201:34

>> Oh yes, I forgot that. I forgot that the

201:37

time when Mr. Granger leaned on the

201:39

podium

201:40

>> unbothered

201:40

>> and said he's unbothered. Pegasus

201:42

Pegasus. It was at the Pegasus.

201:44

>> Mhm.

201:45

>> And so, Mr. Speaker,

201:48

but those are but examples

201:53

of the depths to which

201:56

Barnham's party

201:57

>> has gone

201:58

>> has gone

201:59

>> has sunk

202:00

>> has sunk

202:02

>> under the stewardship party

202:06

>> of of the honorable no no

202:10

>> party is not bothering me

202:11

>> party is bothering you

202:12

>> those are the depths to which the

202:15

people's National Congress has sunk.

202:18

>> We're scraping the bottom of the barrel

202:19

here.

202:20

>> And Mr. Speaker, throughout the week, we

202:23

were regailed

202:25

>> by all sorts of speurious statements

202:30

>> all throughout the week. Throughout the

202:34

week, we were regailed

202:36

>> by speurious comments.

202:39

by speurious comments and absurdities

202:43

of finance.

202:46

You continue to hide because you're

202:48

doing illegal stuff.

202:50

>> Here who speaks about illegality

202:54

here. Who speaks about illegality?

202:57

>> Here, Mr. Speaker,

203:00

>> I don't really know facts on this

203:02

matter,

203:04

>> but I am told

203:06

>> that there's a certain chain of fast

203:08

food restaurants

203:10

>> that for years was selling fried chicken

203:12

and fries and I believe maybe even some

203:14

bit of ice cream here and there,

203:17

charging the poor people of Guyana value

203:19

added tax to the G

203:21

>> and collecting the value added tax from

203:23

the poor people of Guyana that he now

203:25

professes to love.

203:27

charging the poor people of Guyana value

203:29

added tax. They now profess to love

203:31

these people.

203:33

>> Collecting the stacks, making a profit

203:36

off of these people

203:39

>> and collecting the VAT and not paying

203:41

over the VAT to the GR and when the time

203:43

come to pay over the VAT to the GR where

203:46

the money

203:46

>> writes the GR and says please write off

203:49

this VAT and this taxes that I owe you.

203:51

>> Mr. Speaker,

203:54

>> I stand on uh

203:57

4 to A. Sir,

204:01

>> Mr. Speaker,

204:03

>> I have never forget the Great British

204:06

Parliament. Sit down.

204:07

>> I am speaking.

204:09

>> Sit down.

204:09

>> I am speaking.

204:11

>> Sit down.

204:11

>> Mr. Speaker,

204:13

>> I have never

204:15

>> I have never had a write off of VAT or

204:19

any tax in Guyana. Never had a right off

204:23

of that or any tax in Guyana. And I

204:25

challenge the finance minister,

204:27

>> honorable member, you stand on what

204:29

standing order?

204:30

>> 486

204:33

>> and 416 included.

204:38

I have never had a write off of tax in

204:41

Guyana.

204:42

>> Never. Not once.

204:44

>> Never once. I have never asked for a

204:47

write off of taxes in this country. And

204:50

the honorable Larry Ali is not here, but

204:53

he can confirm if he were here that I've

204:56

never had a write off of tax in or a VAT

205:00

in this country. Never. Not once. And so

205:03

I challenge the finance minister to

205:05

withdraw that remark or produce the

205:07

evidence of a right off of primary tax

205:10

in this country.

205:11

>> Then we can't.

205:12

>> Mr. Speaker, once again, sir, it's

205:14

called hoodwinking.

205:16

>> It's called hoodwinking by obfuscation

205:20

>> because Mr. Speaker,

205:22

>> I see the honorable is not resuming his

205:24

seat. I'll wait for him to resume his

205:25

seat before I respond.

205:27

>> Mr. Speaker, it's called hoodwinking by

205:30

obfiscation or what you might call

205:32

splitting hairs

205:34

because every other person in this

205:36

country when they don't pay their taxes,

205:38

they're subject to something called

205:39

penalties and interest. And having

205:42

failed to pay over his taxes in a timely

205:44

manner, he accumulated a vast amount of

205:47

penalties and interest. I want him to

205:50

stand up and say that he's never asked

205:51

for a write off of penalties and

205:53

interest.

205:55

>> Stand up. Stand up.

205:56

>> Stand and say that.

205:58

Mr. Speaker, there's an old saying, who

206:00

the cap fit, wear it.

206:02

>> Yes, that's called a red herring.

206:04

>> Continue. Senior,

206:05

>> there's an old saying, who the I didn't

206:07

hear anybody. Who the cap fit, wear it.

206:12

>> A red herring.

206:14

>> Mr. Speaker,

206:16

>> Mr. Speaker, I want to repeat that I

206:18

never asked for or a write off of any

206:21

tax. The honorable minister is correct

206:25

that I ask for a partial write off of

206:29

penalties and interest. A partial write

206:32

off of penalties and interest after

206:35

having paid over $100 million in

206:38

penalties and interest. And the

206:40

honorable minister would know by the

206:43

member.

206:44

>> Thank you. Senior minister continue.

206:57

Mr. Speaker,

206:59

>> Mr. Speaker,

207:00

>> I expected treatment.

207:01

>> Mr. Speaker, as

207:03

>> and reaping

207:09

the business,

207:10

>> Mr. Speaker,

207:11

>> you can get it too.

207:12

>> It doesn't seem like you're on.

207:15

>> I sat here all week.

207:17

I am

207:34

>> Mr. speaker

207:37

to invoke those famous words and further

207:41

I need say not

207:45

Mr. Speaker

207:49

that kind of

207:53

duplicity

207:55

characterized the honorable member's

207:58

entire presentation

208:00

>> and all of his interventions.

208:04

is not

208:05

>> throughout this week.

208:08

>> On every matter

208:10

>> on every matter,

208:12

>> no.

208:13

>> And I could go on through a long list of

208:18

issues,

208:22

>> whether it be the question of

208:25

consultations on the budget.

208:28

Mr. Mr. Speaker, the People's

208:29

Progressive, no People's Progressive

208:31

Party civic government engages in a

208:33

single symbolic consultation on the

208:36

budget a few days before. I said that to

208:41

all of the members of the privates and

208:43

I've always said it to members of the

208:45

private sector on every occasion that

208:47

I've met them in close proximity to the

208:49

budget.

208:51

We consulted the private sector

208:53

extensively in the preparation of our

208:55

manifesto.

208:57

We are the only political party to have

208:59

done so.

209:00

>> That's true. That's true.

209:02

>> We received extensive submissions.

209:06

We are engaged with the private sector

209:09

literally every week if not every day.

209:13

Whether it be at the ministry of home

209:15

affairs, the ministry of local

209:16

government, the ministry of tourism,

209:19

I meet with members of the private

209:20

sector on one private sector body or

209:23

another.

209:25

And so, Mr. Speaker, this People's

209:28

Progressive Party civic government's

209:30

policies

209:32

are informed

209:34

by stakeholder input, not by a simple

209:37

single token engagement a few days

209:41

before the budget

209:43

by but by an ongoing

209:46

deep and profound engagement with the

209:49

private sector so that we can understand

209:52

what their priorities are, what their

209:55

interests are, what they would like us

209:56

to do more of, what they would like us

209:58

to do differently.

210:01

And Mr. Speaker, if the honorable member

210:03

was not content

210:06

to insult those on the opposite side of

210:10

this house, the honorable member went on

210:13

to describe the leaders of Guyana's

210:15

private sector and stakeholder community

210:19

>> as politically captured

210:20

>> as politically captured. And he repeats

210:22

it and he repeats it with great pride.

210:25

He repeats it with great pride.

210:28

>> The Private Sector Commission, the

210:30

Georgetown Chamber of Commerce, the

210:32

Ghana Manufacturers Association,

210:35

Regional Chambers of Commerce, the

210:37

Women's Chamber of Commerce,

210:38

>> the Miners Association,

210:41

Mr. Speaker, he describes all of these

210:43

people

210:45

as politically captured,

210:48

not content with hurling vile insults.

210:53

to those of us on this side of the

210:54

house. He proceeds, sir, to hurl insults

210:59

everywhere else, too. Well, I'll tell

211:01

you what. I'll tell you what. It is

211:04

because of that mindset, sir, through

211:08

you, Mr. Speaker, that you are now

211:10

sitting on that side of the house

211:12

leading the smallest group of PNC MPs,

211:15

in the history in the history of Guyana.

211:18

that side of the house.

211:20

>> The honorable member says he's going to

211:22

be coming on this side of the house.

211:24

He will last his call.

211:26

>> Sir, Mr. Speaker,

211:28

>> you will resign.

211:30

>> Mr. Speaker,

211:31

>> belly for his fight.

211:32

>> Mr. Speaker,

211:33

>> allow you.

211:34

>> I ain't got any like

211:36

mindset.

211:38

>> You're an opportunist that is not

211:40

prepared to serve people.

211:43

>> You go on every single Sunday to preach

211:47

>> to good news and you should come and

211:49

listen and you should come and listen to

211:52

change your mindset.

211:53

Mr. Speaker,

211:55

>> the honorable member,

211:58

>> the honorable member

212:01

>> says that he is waiting.

212:03

>> The honorable member says that he is

212:06

waiting

212:08

>> to come on this side of the house. Well,

212:10

I said earlier, Mr. Speaker, and it's no

212:12

secret that I maintain an open channel

212:15

of communication with people all over

212:17

the political divine. I speak with

212:19

people in every political party. I

212:21

maintain an open channel of

212:22

communication. So I will confess sir I

212:25

will confess sir that

212:29

I had an engagement with a very senior

212:31

member of the people's national congress

212:33

of pedigree

212:34

who has been in the PNC for a very long

212:36

time. Not one who when he was catapulted

212:38

to the leadership had to hide and bob

212:40

and weave about whether he's a PNC

212:42

member or when he become a PNC member.

212:45

And we all recall the the the drama over

212:48

whether he's a whether he's a PNC member

212:51

at all

212:52

>> and if so when he became a PNC member

212:56

>> I spoke I spoke Mr. Speaker I spoke Mr.

213:00

Speaker

213:01

>> with a prominent member of the PNC and I

213:04

said man

213:05

>> I said man what going on over there

213:07

where where y'all find this chap from

213:10

>> and Mr. speaker that senior member of

213:12

the people's national congress gave m

213:15

made a very gave me a very interesting

213:17

response he said in cricket

213:20

to give you a cricketing analogy they

213:21

got something name a night watchman

213:25

>> now I'm not a cricketer the cricketer

213:27

here is Charles Ramson or or or Steven

213:29

Jacobs in fact

213:31

>> a night watchman

213:32

>> right but the senior member of the PNC

213:34

said to me you ever they said I know you

213:37

don't play cricket but you just watch

213:38

cricket you ever hear about a night

213:40

Watchman

213:45

>> Steven Jacobs and Charles Ramson will

213:47

explain to you. Honorable The Honorable

213:49

Steven Jacobs and the Honorable Charles

213:51

Rams will explain to you what is a night

213:53

watchman.

213:54

>> But but but I'll tell you what, but I'll

213:57

tell you what.

213:59

>> You ever hear a night watchman?

214:01

>> But I'll tell you what.

214:10

He shielded the water.

214:13

>> Actually, this man trying to get into

214:17

>> you know about baseball. You know about

214:20

cricket. You You know about cricket. You

214:21

know about baseball. Because I have a

214:23

baseball analogy for you too. Yes, sir.

214:25

I'm guiding. I know.

214:27

>> All right. You guys need to spend a lot

214:28

of time in the United States of America

214:29

though. But anyhow, that's beside the

214:31

point.

214:33

Mr. Speaker,

214:35

the honorable the senior member of the

214:37

PNC who spoke with me said to me,

214:41

"There's a man y'all used to call Norton

214:44

little leaguer."

214:46

>> Little or eager.

214:47

>> So I said, "Yes, yeah, we call little

214:50

league, but this chap the cake."

214:52

>> He said to me, "Now pee," he gave me, he

214:55

he taught me a word that I had to

214:56

Google.

214:59

He said, "You might not be familiar." He

215:00

said, "I know a little baseball cuz I

215:02

live in America before or I have family

215:03

who live in America."

215:06

He said, "Do you ever hear the phrase

215:07

T-baller?"

215:12

>> I said, "How you going to spell that?"

215:13

He said, "You could spell it either T

215:16

baller or T E baller." And I invite the

215:20

public and I invite members of this

215:22

honorable house to Google T-ball. I had

215:24

to Google it.

215:26

>> I had to Google T-ball.

215:30

Honorable Schuman, you have young kids

215:32

who play baseball. You know what's a

215:33

tala?

215:36

>> The person said to me, "In cricket, we

215:38

call a night watchman, but in baseball,

215:39

a more suitable name, a more suitable

215:42

description for the honorable Terrence

215:44

Campbell is T-baller."

215:48

T-baller. They say, "You know, you

215:50

should call T-ball Terren or T-ball

215:53

Terrence."

215:55

Well, I out of respect, I wouldn't do

215:56

that, sir. Maybe not in this honorable

215:58

house. Maybe outside. But Google

216:01

T-baller. I had to Google it

216:03

>> to discover what is T-ball and T-baller.

216:06

>> Google.

216:07

>> So, Mr. Speaker, for all of his bombast

216:12

for all of his bombast

216:16

over the past week, sir,

216:18

>> for all of his bomb bluster and bombast,

216:22

Mr. Speaker,

216:24

>> even within the PNC, Mr. Terence

216:26

Campbell the honorable member is not

216:28

taken seriously sir.

216:31

>> He's not taken seriously.

216:33

>> He holding the fort like a night

216:35

watchman

216:37

>> until time comes for a real leader to

216:40

take over back.

216:42

>> I see Mahipal angling there. I don't

216:44

know if it can be Mahipal waiting.

216:46

>> And Mr. Speaker, it is most unfortunate.

216:50

>> It is most unfortunate. And it is most

216:52

unfortunate sir

216:55

because look where we are.

216:58

>> Look where we are.

217:00

>> Only

217:01

>> you know nothing substantive depletion

217:04

of the NRF reporting accurately. I laid

217:08

you before the house

217:09

>> man. This chap is something

217:12

>> really trying to talk on a Friday

217:13

morning.

217:15

>> Really trying to talk on a Friday cannot

217:17

address the matter of substance.

217:18

>> Yes Mr. Speaker. First of all, Mr.

217:21

Speaker,

217:22

>> I don't allow myself to be lectured by

217:24

T-ballers.

217:25

>> Listen to me. I lecture you over boxing.

217:28

>> I don't allow myself to be lectured by

217:30

tea ballers.

217:33

>> I don't allow myself to be lectured by

217:35

tea ballers, sir.

217:39

>> Mr. Speaker, I don't need Mr. Terren

217:42

Campbell's endorsement or validation.

217:45

>> Nobody on this side of don't need your

217:47

validation. Nobody on this side of them

217:50

don't need your validation.

217:53

>> Let me tell you something, Mr. Speaker,

217:55

through you, sir. Nobody on this side of

217:57

the house needs validation from the

217:59

likes of Terrence Campbell.

218:02

You

218:05

with your head down and I bring to you

218:07

Ashley, you shall

218:13

be you like a friend.

218:15

>> Honorable member, please. Allow the

218:18

minister to continue.

218:35

Mr. Speaker,

218:38

>> Mr. Speaker,

218:39

>> the behavior is on display for all to

218:42

see.

218:42

>> Yes.

218:43

>> The behavior is on display for all to

218:45

see.

218:46

>> I'm a fighter and the people,

218:49

>> Mr. Speaker,

218:52

>> Mr. Speaker,

218:53

>> a fighter don't start fighting when

218:55

they're 70.

218:56

>> Mr. Speaker, I'm happy for the honorable

218:58

member to continue.

219:01

Mr. Speaker,

219:02

>> matters.

219:02

>> A simple matter over the course of the

219:06

last week, well maybe two weeks.

219:10

A simple matter, sir. Mr. Campbell wants

219:14

to run a country. Mr. Speaker, over the

219:17

course of the last two weeks,

219:20

Mr. Campbell, the honorable member and

219:23

the AP andu MPs that he leads

219:27

and win could not agree sir on the

219:31

matter of allocation of portfolios in a

219:35

shadow cabinet.

219:40

>> That is the big big and bad. That's the

219:43

with all the bluster and bombast

219:46

Mr. Campbell could not secure more than

219:49

two shadow cabinet seats

219:52

in his negotiations with a political

219:54

entity that le that is less than one

219:56

year old

220:00

>> with all of his bluster and bombast and

220:03

bullism.

220:05

>> Mr. Speaker,

220:07

>> honorable

220:09

member Mr. Gavl,

220:14

>> the honorable minister of finance is

220:17

wrong about not being able to secure

220:19

more than two seats. In fact, the first

220:21

order, the first offer was for five

220:24

seats. So, he's he's repeating stuff

220:26

that is incorrect, sir.

220:29

>> I I honorable minister, I will uphold

220:35

that point of order and I will

220:38

>> and Mr. Speaker, I will not, Mr.

220:41

Speaker, I of course was not privy to

220:42

what was transpiring between them, but

220:44

what I do know is

220:47

>> I do have an article here dated February

220:49

1, 2026

220:53

where

220:56

it is head, this article is headlined

220:58

win yet to reach agreement on budget

221:00

debate arrangements.

221:03

Starbrook news 21st of January

221:07

APNU says win failed to engage

221:10

meaningfully in talks on united

221:12

opposition.

221:13

So Mr. Speaker, what whether it is five

221:15

or two or whatever it is, what I do know

221:19

is that for for all his bluster and

221:21

bombast, the honorable successor to

221:25

Aubrey Norton was granted the mammoth 15

221:29

plus 5 minutes to speak in this budget

221:31

debate because he was unable to reach

221:33

agreement with winter

221:35

on Thursday.

221:36

>> 15 bothers you,

221:38

>> Mr. Speaker.

221:41

>> Mr. Speaker, incapable.

221:43

These are the people who want to present

221:45

themselves as an alternative government.

221:49

Incapable of working together as an

221:52

opposition on something as

221:53

inconsequential.

221:56

It's not like this thing going to be

221:57

cast in stone forever till thy kingdom

221:59

come.

222:00

>> It shallows

222:01

>> on this simple matter of allocating

222:04

portfolios for the purposes of the

222:06

budget debate.

222:08

And Mr. Speaker, they rather give up all

222:11

than accept the two or the five that

222:13

they were offered.

222:15

>> They rather sit down because you are the

222:18

weakest presence of the PNC in the

222:21

history of farms party.

222:24

>> You could not even extract you could not

222:27

even extract significant portfolio

222:29

representation.

222:32

>> We stand on principle.

222:34

>> Well, Mr. Speaker, what I know

222:38

>> what I know, sir, is that they sat down

222:41

meekly and trotted out one after the

222:44

other on their with their little

222:46

50-minute allocations or like the

222:48

backbenchers that he is

222:51

>> like the backbencher

222:54

>> like the backbencher that he is.

222:57

>> Mr. Speaker, the honorable member,

223:00

>> Mr. Terrence Campbell, the honorable

223:01

member sir, has no claim to credibility.

223:07

Mr. Speaker,

223:09

when this gentleman

223:12

when this gentleman was nominated to

223:14

lead

223:17

APNU in the parliament,

223:20

he was asked our Europe member.

223:24

>> Mr. Speaker, on the 15th of November in

223:26

Deana Waves,

223:29

>> the headline is Atne parliamentary

223:32

leader secretive about PNCR membership

223:36

>> plays down party leadership prospects.

223:39

You talking about who hang

223:42

>> Mr. Speaker,

223:44

>> Mr. Speaker,

223:46

>> I am as happy to be a follower as I am

223:50

to be a leader.

223:52

>> I am as happy to be a follower. You have

223:55

never followed. You have never served as

223:57

a regular MP. James Bondant and like

224:00

Mallister serve in the PNC and they're

224:03

not sitting where you are sitting. You

224:05

never slept as an ordinary MP. You are

224:07

catapulted into the leadership. Well,

224:09

Mr. Speaker, for the record, I am

224:12

equally happy to be a follower as I am

224:15

to be a leader. And I'm proud of it. I'm

224:19

proud of it.

224:21

And he who is not willing to be a foot

224:23

soldier is not entitled to be a general.

224:32

>> He doesn't want to be a foot soldier. He

224:33

start with an

224:35

we don't get to anug

224:38

when he couldn't establish here laugh

224:40

here Mr. Speaker. When he couldn't

224:41

establish that he's a PNC member. Here

224:43

what he said. My blood was always green.

224:47

I went to bishop's high school.

224:51

I have this story here. My blood was

224:53

always green. I went to Bishop. Never

224:55

mind, sir.

224:57

>> Never mind, sir.

224:58

>> I thought he was accusing

224:59

>> that on the 19th of July 2025.

225:04

>> Never mind, sir, that on the 19th of

225:07

July 2025, the honorable Terren Campbell

225:09

said in Kai news, I was never part of

225:13

any political party. New at new

225:16

candidate Terren Campbell.

225:19

Mr. Speaker,

225:21

>> Mr. Campbell is on public record

225:25

as being a founder member of

225:28

>> Anug.

225:32

>> Stabbrook News January 8, 2019.

225:34

Businessman Campbell walks away from

225:37

Anug.

225:38

>> Mr. Speaker,

225:40

>> go ahead. Honorable member involved in

225:43

the initial

225:44

>> I was involved in the initial

225:46

discussions to form Anoo but before the

225:49

launch of that party I had departed. I

225:52

not I there is not a resignation was not

225:54

even necessary. Before the launch of

225:57

Anug I announced that I was no longer in

225:59

any discussions with that political

226:01

party. So I I was never a member, never

226:04

signed up, never paid any fees, anything

226:06

never filled out a form. So I ask the

226:08

honorable minister to withdraw that.

226:10

Sir,

226:11

>> honorable minister, uh we heard from the

226:14

MP. He was never associated with that

226:19

statement. Um I'll uphold a point of

226:22

order. Thank you.

226:23

>> And of course, you know, Mr. Speaker, I

226:25

will defer to your ruling. I will simply

226:27

cite a stab news headline

226:31

dated January 8, 2019

226:35

where the story is headlined businessman

226:38

Campbell walks from Anug due to

226:41

polarized political climate

226:44

and the story goes on to say local

226:47

businessman Terren Campbell lest there

226:49

be any doubt who we're speaking about

226:52

has ended his brief foray into politics.

226:55

Mr. Speaker,

226:59

>> I stand on 48 yesterday because

227:02

>> honorable uh

227:04

>> MP.

227:05

>> Yeah,

227:06

>> I just want to hear uh what is in the

227:09

article and give a ruling.

227:11

>> But but Mr. Speaker, can you give me one

227:13

second because yesterday

227:14

>> Go ahead. Go ahead. yesterday when I

227:16

raised the issue of the Bangladeshi

227:20

um government establishing a high

227:23

commission in Guyana to explore the

227:25

labor market. Your ruling at that time

227:27

was that we do not f we do not I think

227:30

we wouldn't follow the news or

227:31

something.

227:32

>> I was just about I was just about

227:34

>> one more thing sir over and over again

227:37

and I have said this many times the

227:40

headline does not reflect what was said

227:42

by someone. It's happened to me at least

227:44

five times recently with several

227:46

different news outlets. So I would

227:48

encourage the honorable minister to read

227:51

properly rather than just read

227:52

headlines. But I just the point is I'm

227:54

rising on your ruling last night sir.

227:57

>> Yes sir. And you're in order.

228:00

>> Very very well sir.

228:02

In fact, in in fact, in fact, the

228:05

honorable member

228:11

>> I will do, sir, exactly as the honorable

228:14

member has requested.

228:16

>> The honorable member asks for me to read

228:19

from the article.

228:21

>> This guy needs a

228:22

>> Mr. Speaker, the article has a quotation

228:27

in inverted commas quoting from a press

228:32

Mr. Speaker,

228:41

>> whether he reads it or not is not

228:43

important.

228:44

>> And I was impacted by that last night.

228:47

>> Yes.

228:48

>> Thank you,

228:50

>> honorable minister.

228:55

I I just want from my ear to to to hear

228:59

the end of that because

229:02

we do have a standing order that speaks

229:04

specifically to reference to news,

229:09

>> right?

229:11

And it says that we should not. And I

229:15

may have to now rule absolutely on it

229:20

because people are refuting what their

229:24

these quotes are. And um but I still

229:28

wanted to hear what's in court because

229:30

this is something I want to also talk to

229:33

the media about,

229:35

you know, because in here I laid out the

229:38

principle for the media, but out there I

229:41

banned the media.

229:45

Go ahead honorable

229:46

>> Mr. Speak. So do I have your permission

229:48

sir to

229:49

>> yes

229:49

>> read from the article very well sir.

229:52

>> So the article Mr. Speaker and again for

229:54

those who want to read it in its

229:55

fullness for themselves. It is the 8th

229:58

of January 2019. Stabbrook news

230:01

headlined businessman Campbell walks

230:04

from anog due to polarized political

230:06

climate and somewhere midway through the

230:10

article there's a quotation carried in

230:13

inverted commas in quotation marks that

230:16

reads sir as follows. It says open

230:20

quote. So it's a quotation from the

230:23

party. It says, this is ANOG of course.

230:26

It says, open quotes, it is clear that

230:29

Terren has come under severe pressure

230:31

because of his leading role in

230:33

establishing ANOG.

230:36

Some of us have also come under pressure

230:38

from official sources very recently as a

230:40

consequence of our association

230:43

with ANU and in the past. We have

230:46

endured and survived and expect to

230:49

continue to do so in the future and the

230:51

quote goes on. But what I wanted to draw

230:54

attention to, sir, was the quote the

230:56

release the release from the party

231:00

quoted in inverted commas in quotation

231:03

marks in the aforementioned cited

231:06

article in Stabber News that Mr.

231:09

Campbell according to this article and

231:12

according to the direct quotation

231:14

carried in this article from Anoo that

231:17

Mr. Campbell played

231:20

in quotes a leading role in establishing

231:23

Anuk.

231:25

Fast forward sir.

231:28

Fast forward speaker

231:30

minister. Uh so

231:34

it says a leading role. You know there

231:38

are many organizations which I played a

231:41

leading role in organizing but never was

231:45

a member of. So

231:48

while it may sound as if he was a member

231:52

I can't associate leading role with

231:54

being a member of right let's move on

231:57

from this

231:57

>> I honorable member Mr. Camp just one

232:00

second.

232:01

>> Yes.

232:05

>> A simple Google check will show that

232:08

anog was launched on January 18, 2019.

232:12

And I through you I'm asking the

232:14

minister to say the date of that

232:15

article.

232:18

>> Honorable I I am not going to continue

232:21

along the line. I've ruled I understand

232:25

being involved in the formation of

232:27

organizations and not being a member of

232:30

it. Uh we have accepted your position

232:34

that you've never been a member of an

232:36

ANU and the minister will move on. Very

232:41

well sir I might add sir I won't quote

232:45

from them but there is a vast array a

232:47

colle v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v

232:48

v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v

232:48

v v vast collection of articles carried

232:49

in stab news in deer waves etc on this

232:53

matter

232:55

which you never

232:56

>> you should have been paying attention I

232:57

said the date on several occasions I

232:59

said it on several occasions I'm not

233:01

here to compensate for your

233:02

inattentiveness you suffer from some

233:04

kind of attention deficit I'm not here

233:06

to compensate for your attention deficit

233:26

Mr. Speaker,

233:30

Mr. Speaker,

233:34

>> go ahead. Very well.

233:36

>> I'm not here to compensate for your

233:38

>> I'm not here, sir, to I I said I said

233:41

the date of this news article on many

233:44

occasions.

233:55

>> Check this.

233:59

>> Mr. Speaker,

234:01

>> Mr. Speaker,

234:03

>> Mr. Speaker, it is most regrettable,

234:05

sir, that the cameras are aimed at me on

234:08

this occasion. I would have liked this

234:10

spectacle of Mr. Campbell's behavior to

234:12

be broadcast for the nation to witness.

234:15

>> Want somebody

234:18

the PPP and the graph that they're

234:20

involved in. That's what the people want

234:23

to see and I will fight.

234:28

>> Honorable member, Mr. Campbell,

234:30

we have lectured on the use of

234:34

unparliamentary language,

234:41

>> but I checked my Thesarus just now

234:45

and the particular standing order speaks

234:48

to language which the speaker may

234:52

disallow.

234:54

>> Thank you.

234:58

And so, like I said, Mr. Speaker,

235:02

>> throughout his presentation,

235:06

the nation was subjected to the same

235:09

kind of duplicity,

235:12

fancy footwork,

235:14

splitting hairs throughout his entire

235:17

presentation in this house. Mr. Speaker,

235:19

and throughout the entire week, sir.

235:22

>> Mr. Speaker, on the subject of Guyana's

235:25

macroeconomic performance,

235:28

Mr. Speaker, the honorable member spoke

235:31

first of all cited with much applom.

235:34

He cited with much a plum the practice

235:38

in Ghana and he brandished sir a

235:41

document that lists the spending

235:46

made in Ghana from the authorized budget

235:50

funding amount which of course is

235:52

governed by Ghanaian legislation. It's

235:55

called the ABA in Ghana governed I

235:58

believe by the Petetroleum Revenue

236:00

Management Act if I'm not mistaken

236:04

a model sir with which I'm very familiar

236:07

Mr. speaker in Ghana they comply with

236:12

what is required by the Ghanaian

236:14

legislation

236:15

we have in this country we're governed

236:17

in this country by laws and we have a

236:21

natural resource fund act

236:26

>> honorable member Mr. Campbell

236:32

>> the minister is entering into ter before

236:36

currently before the court. Sir,

236:38

>> what is

236:43

honorable? Let's hear about the

236:44

honorable minister because reference was

236:48

made in here

236:50

concerning the Ghanaian legislation. you

236:52

know was hold up as the ideal

236:56

um for us.

236:57

>> I think the point that he is trying to

236:59

make is they have their rules and laws

237:02

and we have ours but I don't want to

237:06

>> Mr. Speaker yesterday when I raised it I

237:09

said the reporting on the use of the

237:14

funds is a good model to follow. I did

237:18

not say that and I particularly if you

237:20

go back to the answer I said I will not

237:23

drift into any area that subjunies

237:27

>> yes you you did but if it's a good I

237:33

don't know where the minister is going

237:34

with this so if he's going to

237:38

tell us

237:42

you know what is good for the goose and

237:44

good for the ganda I want to Mr.

237:47

Speaker, what standing order is he

237:48

standing on?

237:49

>> Thank you very much.

237:49

>> He's standing on the permission of the

237:51

speaker.

237:55

>> Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I too

237:59

have no intentions of venturing

238:02

into matters that are currently being

238:05

considered by the courts of Guyana.

238:10

But this matter was raised in the

238:12

honorable house by the honorable member

238:15

and I don't know if he expects that or

238:18

he believes that he enjoys some monopoly

238:21

on the right to raise this matter with

238:23

the expectation that I will not be

238:25

responding because in that case he is

238:27

grossly mistaken.

238:28

>> Absolutely.

238:31

>> I will repeat what I was saying a minute

238:33

a few minutes a minute or two ago.

238:36

In Ghana,

238:38

they have their own legislation

238:41

and they follow their own model and they

238:45

comply with that model.

238:48

We have in Guyana a natural resource

238:52

fund act which was passed by this

238:55

national assembly in 2021 in December

238:57

2021 in that very famous sitting of this

239:01

honorable house

239:02

>> when they tried to steal the mace

239:04

>> when of course there was that much

239:07

publicized incident with the attempted

239:10

theft of the mace

239:12

and we this parliament enacted a natural

239:16

resource fund act with which well first

239:20

of all which is vastly superior to what

239:23

was in place previously

239:24

>> y

239:25

>> and with which we are in full compliance

239:28

>> yes

239:36

and Mr. Speaker, on the questions

239:40

concerned,

239:42

without, like I said, prosecuting or

239:44

attempting to prosecute this matter

239:47

this evening or in this honorable house,

239:50

I will draw attention to the fact that

239:52

there is a vast literature

239:55

on this question

239:58

of whether funds should be earmarked or

240:02

not. There is a vast literature on this

240:05

subject matter

240:07

and Mr. Speaker in Guyana for as long as

240:11

that is what is in our law books that is

240:14

what we are required to comply with

240:16

>> exactly

240:17

>> if and when the law changes at some

240:19

point in time in the future this

240:22

people's progressive party civic

240:23

government will comply with the law the

240:25

extent law at the time

240:27

>> but Mr. Speaker, in its infinite wisdom,

240:31

this house legislated

240:34

that the transfers from the NRF will be

240:37

transparent,

240:39

will be transferred in total in

240:41

accordance with a simple and

240:43

parsimonious formula that every single

240:46

GY citizen will be able to understand

240:50

and that all of those revenues will be

240:52

paid into the consolidated fund and

240:56

their utilization will be in accordance

240:59

with the national budgetary process. And

241:02

that, Mr. Speaker, is precisely what we

241:04

are doing in accordance with the laws of

241:07

Guyana.

241:15

>> And like I said, Mr. Speaker, I would

241:17

urge the honorable member to acquaint

241:18

himself.

241:20

And as with all of these matters there

241:23

the there is a lit there there is a the

241:25

jury is out and there's a vast

241:26

literature out there but there are

241:28

compelling arguments

241:31

why resource revenue should not be

241:33

earmarked. I draw the honorable members

241:36

attention

241:38

sir to a publication by the OECD.

241:43

the OECD in 2019 sir published this is

241:46

just one example

241:48

published in 2019

241:51

policy guidance it's an OECD development

241:54

policy tools it's an it's a publication

241:57

in that series and it is titled using

242:01

extractive revenues for sustainable

242:03

development

242:05

subtitled policy guidance for

242:07

resourcerich countries Mr. Speaker

242:11

there's a whole chapter In this

242:13

publication

242:14

on the pitfalls of air marking natural

242:18

resource revenue, there's a whole box,

242:21

box 2.3

242:23

from page from page 24 to 25. And I'm

242:26

just pulling out one box. The box is

242:28

titled

242:30

the pitfalls of air marking natural

242:33

resource revenue from the OECD.

242:37

Now, I'm not saying this is the only

242:38

view, sir.

242:40

I'm not saying this is the only view,

242:42

but this is a rather compelling view and

242:46

I don't present myself as a subject

242:48

matter expert on anything.

242:51

But I will say that this publication was

242:53

authored by people who can legitimately

242:56

and appropriately present themselves as

242:58

subject matter experts.

243:05

Mr. Speaker, the honorable member made

243:07

much ado,

243:10

much ado

243:12

about macroeconomic performance

243:16

>> and incurrence of debt.

243:19

Mr. Speaker, it is this people's

243:22

progressive party civic government and

243:24

our predecessors

243:26

that brought Guyana back from

243:28

bankruptcy.

243:31

I believe I believe it was the honorable

243:34

me minister on Walrand

243:37

who read this morning

243:40

from the 1993 budget quoted from the

243:42

1993 budget speech when more than 100%

243:47

of government revenue was being utilized

243:49

to service our debts

243:52

>> and it is a previous people's

243:54

progressive party civic government that

243:56

has brought us back

243:58

>> from the bankruptcy in which the PN C

244:01

had placed us.

244:03

>> That's where you taking us.

244:05

>> Mr. Speaker, today Guyana's debt to GDP

244:09

ratio is the second lowest in the

244:13

Western Hemisphere thanks to prudent

244:15

fiscal management by the People's

244:17

Progressive Party.

244:21

When countries around the hemisphere and

244:23

around the world have a debt to GDP

244:26

ratio, have debt to GDP ratios that

244:28

exceed 100%.

244:30

And in even more cases that exceed 16,

244:33

17, and 80%. Guyana's debt to GDP ratio

244:37

at the end of 2025 was 28.6%.

244:42

Like I said, the second lowest in the

244:44

Western Hemisphere,

244:48

>> Mr. speaker and the same applies to debt

244:53

service our debt service to revenue

244:56

ratio

244:57

Mr. Speaker in 2025 compared to the one

245:01

more than 100% that Minister Walrun

245:04

referred to in 1993 in 2025 the debt

245:09

service to revenue ratio in Guyana was

245:12

5.53%.

245:14

Coming from a position where we were

245:16

spending more than 100% of our revenue,

245:19

we are now spending 5.5% of government

245:22

revenue to serve to service our debt.

245:26

And at the same time, sir, we are

245:29

investing aggressively to transform our

245:32

country for the long term.

245:33

>> Let's build.

245:35

>> And at the same time, sir, we are

245:37

improving and expanding social services.

245:41

That, Mr. Speaker, that sir is prudent

245:45

and responsible economic management.

245:49

>> But the honorable member doesn't want to

245:52

hear that.

245:57

The honorable member instead, Mr.

245:59

speaker

246:01

believes that he can continue in the

246:03

tradition

246:05

of distorting the facts and distorting

246:07

and misrepresenting the truth to present

246:11

a false and inaccurate picture to the

246:13

people of Guyana. But these are

246:14

different times, sir.

246:16

But honorable minister, you're imputing

246:18

now, right?

246:19

>> I withdraw, sir. I'll be guided by you,

246:22

sir. I withdraw.

246:24

The honorable member made much ado sir

246:27

about the performance of the non well he

246:30

gave this absolutely astonishing he made

246:33

this point sir about the rate of growth

246:38

and he made the point that we were

246:39

growing at 46% and we are now growing at

246:42

16%.

246:45

Mr. Speaker,

246:47

when you start at one

246:51

and you grow by one to two, you're

246:55

growing by 100%.

246:58

>> When you grow from two to three,

247:03

you're no longer growing by 100%. You're

247:05

now growing by 50%.

247:08

When you grow from three to four,

247:11

>> you're no longer growing by 100% or 50%.

247:15

You're now growing by 33%.

247:19

>> When you grow from four to five, you're

247:22

still growing.

247:24

>> Your your economy is still growing by

247:26

the same absolute level, but your rate

247:30

of growth as you grow on a larger base,

247:33

your rate of growth will decline. Mr.

247:36

speaker. That is not rocket science.

247:39

>> It's not rocket science.

247:42

It is not brain surgery. It's not even

247:44

frying chicken. It's basic arithmetic.

247:49

>> It's basic arithmetic.

247:53

>> It's basic arithmetic.

247:56

>> Mr. Speaker,

247:58

the same the honorable member

248:02

speaks of the non- oil economy.

248:05

Sir,

248:08

we know

248:10

>> that apart from the services sector,

248:13

>> Guyana has a very important non-oil

248:17

extractive sector.

248:19

>> We have gold,

248:21

>> we have boxite,

248:23

>> we have other minerals, we have quarry

248:25

stone and sand, etc.

248:28

>> Mr. Speaker, just like I believe it was,

248:31

I don't recall who it was on their side,

248:34

the honorable member cited when the gold

248:37

industry was declaring 700,000 ounces

248:40

during the AP and UFC period.

248:43

>> Get your numbers right.

248:44

>> Mr. Speaker, that declaration was thanks

248:47

to large scale operators that the

248:49

People's Progressive Party brought to

248:50

Guyana

248:56

and Troy.

248:56

>> The all member cited AGM and Troy that

248:58

the PVP brought to Guyana

249:01

>> that they inherited

249:03

>> that were producing gold thanks to them

249:05

becoming to Guyana thanks to the

249:07

People's Progressive Party and he cites

249:10

that as the big example. Mr. Speaker,

249:11

this matter has been ventilated on so

249:14

many occasions previously.

249:17

>> Mr. Speaker,

249:19

>> the honorable member turns to boxite.

249:22

>> The honor member turns to boxite.

249:25

Sir,

249:28

>> sir, sir. When the People's Progressive

249:31

Party

249:33

When the People's Progressive Party

249:36

When the People's Progressive Party

249:38

demitted office in 2015,

249:41

boxite was being produced in the Borby's

249:44

River

249:47

>> and more than a thousand persons were

249:49

working at the boxite mines in Barbies.

249:51

I believe it was the honorable minister

249:52

Ben Vessa Ben who spoke of the fact that

249:56

people from it, Quaani, Lynen, New

249:58

Amsterdam were working were working in

250:03

the boxite industry in Barbese River.

250:10

>> Mr. Speaker,

250:12

Mr. Speaker,

250:16

>> the PNC

250:18

who the honorable member now represents

250:21

in parliament is the party that sat

250:24

down.

250:26

Well, I don't know if he at that time

250:28

was with well, Anug, I guess, didn't

250:30

exist at that time. I don't know who he

250:31

was with at that time.

250:34

>> Mr. Speaker, the honorable member who

250:37

now heads the atu contingent in this

250:39

house, Mr. Speaker,

250:45

>> honorable member,

250:47

>> Mr. speaker standing on forte but really

250:50

and truly is this is an honorable house

250:53

and the honorable anan pasad is saying

250:57

that he's leaving to go call canu on me

250:59

imputing to me to be a drug dealer I

251:02

don't believe that that's not the

251:03

standard of the house

251:05

>> honorable member I I didn't hear that

251:08

but if honorable member

251:12

is going to use that language please

251:16

desist

251:17

Honorable Minister,

251:19

>> Mr. Speaker,

251:21

>> Mr. Speaker,

251:24

>> Mr. Speaker, and let me be crystal clear

251:28

>> that this People's Progressive Party,

251:29

Civic

251:31

Party and in government, whether in

251:33

government or in opposition. We were in

251:35

opposition at that time. We would always

251:37

stand on the side of the working people

251:39

of Ghana.

251:41

>> Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker, the PNC sat

251:45

down and allowed the Barbies boxite

251:48

operations to be closed,

251:51

>> allowed th hundreds of workers, more

251:54

than a thousand workers to be put out of

251:57

work.

251:58

Even if there were labor

252:01

>> issues

252:03

instead of addressing well, they didn't

252:05

have a ministry of Did they have a

252:06

ministry of labor?

252:07

>> We don't care about the people.

252:08

>> Did they have a ministry of labor?

252:11

They care at they didn't have a ministry

252:13

of labor.

252:14

>> Ministry,

252:16

>> Mr. Speaker,

252:19

>> Mr. Speaker, they didn't have a ministry

252:21

of labor. So, I don't know if that is

252:23

what paralyzed them.

252:25

>> I don't know if that paralyzed them, but

252:28

m Mr. Speaker, whether because they had

252:30

shut down the Ministry of Labor or for

252:31

whatever reason, they sat down and

252:34

allowed those people to be put out of

252:36

work. Those people were Lindeners. They

252:38

came from Iuni and Quani. They came from

252:40

New Amsterdam and elsewhere in the

252:42

Borbis River. They were all put out of

252:45

work because of the PNC, the APNU and

252:48

AFC in government at the time.

252:51

>> Mr. Speaker, this People's Progressive

252:54

Party

252:56

>> will bring back an investor to resume

252:58

boxside production in the Barbies River.

253:03

And we will work sir.

253:07

>> We have already worked with the

253:09

investors sir to have methological grade

253:13

boxite produced in Lynen. And this year

253:16

sir in Lynden we will exceed 4 million

253:20

tons of boxite in Lynen. Hundreds more

253:24

lyneners are employed today in the

253:26

boxite industry that were employed. More

253:28

than five about 500 more lindoners are

253:31

employed. that 500 Lynen families

253:35

are employed in the boxite industry than

253:38

were employed in 2020 in the boxite

253:40

industry as a result of us creating an

253:43

investorfriendly environment in Lynden

253:47

and they wonder Mr. Campbell wonder sir

253:50

no amount of jack in the box jumping up

253:52

and down like a jack in the box will

253:54

compensate for the fact that he is part

253:57

of a callous honorable minister we also

254:02

have

254:04

like a

254:07

in one of the um words phrases that we

254:11

don't use I had to caution the like a

254:15

foul remember certainly sir I I would be

254:18

guided by you. I withdraw. I think they

254:25

>> whatever the whatever I I I I withdraw,

254:28

sir. And I'm perfectly happy to move on.

254:30

No amount of

254:33

histrionics.

254:35

No amount of histrionics sir will

254:38

compensate for the fact will will remove

254:40

or erase or alter the fact that it is

254:43

the PMC the AP and U AFC as they were

254:46

then known that presided over the

254:49

collapse of the boxite industry hurting

254:52

Lindeners and hurting people of New

254:54

Amsterdam and people of the Borbis river

254:56

>> no amount of history Mr. Speaker will

254:58

rewrite that history

254:59

>> honorable member Mr. Campbell

255:01

>> yeah Mr. Speaker, I I'm standing on 40A.

255:05

It was the Burbese the Russell company

255:07

to which referred who fired their own

255:09

workers at um on on the Burbese River

255:13

and left Guyana taking out their

255:15

equipment. At no point did the

255:17

government fire anyone. And he's

255:18

imputing to the government at that time

255:21

something that they did not cause. Sir,

255:26

>> if the honorable minister has evidence

255:29

to the contrary, I'm challenging him to

255:31

produce it now. Sir,

255:32

>> honorable honorable member, Mr.

255:34

Campbell.

255:36

>> This one is very hard for me to rule on

255:40

having been involved

255:43

as Minister Labor in that dispute which

255:48

started a little while and had many

255:51

actors

255:53

at that time then inherited by Minister

255:57

Gopal and then

256:00

a Department of Labor. So, it's a

256:04

difficult one. Um, from where I was,

256:09

there is a lot of credibility to the

256:12

position taken by the honorable minister

256:14

cuz I was there in cabinet too.

256:16

>> Absolutely.

256:18

>> Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

256:24

Suffice it, sir, to say.

256:28

Honorable Minister, I was about to say,

256:30

suffice it to say, I was even called

256:33

racist by some actors.

256:36

>> Well, there you go, sir.

256:40

>> Mr. Speaker, thankfully, sir, we have

256:42

the benefit of your prior experience in

256:45

this matter, as we do on so many other

256:48

matters where we get the benefit of your

256:50

wisdom and experience.

256:54

Suffice it to say, sir, that it was the

256:57

AP and U AFC who were in government.

257:00

>> Mr. Speaker, I'm standing on 40 again.

257:03

>> Go ahead. Honorable member.

257:07

>> Mr. Speaker, you have pointed out that

257:09

this matter was complex and started when

257:12

you were minister of labor, then passed

257:14

on to the honorable Enk Gopal when I

257:16

think he was minister of labor and then

257:18

would have passed on to whosoever

257:20

succeeded him at the um in the APN AFC.

257:25

So this was a matter the issue of poor

257:28

industrial relations precede.

257:31

>> Okay. You're treading on grounds which

257:33

you don't have firsthand knowledge but

257:35

the honorable minister was making a

257:38

particular point and um I need to allow

257:42

him to complete because of the facts

257:45

that I know. Right.

257:48

>> Mr. Speaker, I was in fact about to move

257:50

on. I was simply going to make the

257:51

point. Sir, all that I was going to say,

257:54

suffice it to say that it was the AP and

257:57

U AFC who were in government at the time

257:59

that the Barbies River boxite operations

258:01

were closed down and people were put out

258:04

of work. That is all that. Now, I

258:05

understand that that is a government

258:08

that said government is not responsible

258:10

for creating jobs. So, I can understand

258:13

why they probably felt it's not their

258:15

problem and if the people are in work or

258:17

not, it's not their problem. I can

258:19

that's a different matter. But all all

258:21

that I was going to say is that at the

258:23

time that the Barbies River boxite

258:25

operations were closed down, it is the

258:27

AP and UFC that were in government and

258:30

who therefore either by action or

258:33

inaction presided as the incumbent

258:36

government over a situation that saw

258:38

nearly a thousand GY families put out of

258:42

income.

258:43

>> And that is in the boxite industry. Not

258:45

to mention all that has been all that is

258:48

widely known about the sugar industry.

258:50

And Mr. Speaker, I could go on for a

258:53

very long time

258:55

on various matters.

258:57

>> Mr. Speaker,

259:01

>> Mr. Speaker, much ado, much ado, sir,

259:06

>> was made of an IDB report

259:09

>> that cites a poverty statistic.

259:12

>> Uhhuh.

259:12

>> Go to that one,

259:13

>> Mr. Speaker.

259:15

The 58%

259:16

>> Mr. Speaker, the 58%.

259:18

>> Mr. Speaker, the report is unambiguous.

259:22

On page 41, it has an appendix that is

259:27

headed up, appendix, tables, and

259:30

figures.

259:32

And the title of that appendix, it's

259:36

appendix table A O A

259:40

surveys analyzed by country and it lists

259:45

the countries and it says for Guyana

259:50

source bureau statistics

259:53

survey labor force survey years

259:58

2016 to 2018,

260:02

2021.

260:04

For those who need to be reminded,

260:08

the period 2016 to 2018 fell squarely

260:13

during the APNU AFC's tenure in

260:17

government

260:20

and 2021 was in the heart of the coid9

260:24

shutdown.

260:26

Mr. Speaker, the report is clear. paid

260:28

41

260:31

2016 to 2018. So that poverty statistic

260:34

that they were trottting out

260:36

>> is an app new AFC legacy.

260:39

>> It's an app new AFC legacy. It says it

260:41

here clearly. The report is titled 10

260:45

findings about poverty in Latin America

260:47

and the Caribbean. It's published by the

260:50

IDB as working paper num IDB WP01644.

260:55

It's dated November 2024.

260:58

And on page 41, it says that the survey

261:02

analyzed for Guyana period

261:04

>> was the labor force survey for 2016 to

261:07

2018 and 2021 when we were in the in the

261:11

depths of COVID 19.

261:13

>> We told them the two over there.

261:16

>> No, no, no, no. I on this I rarely

261:18

disagree with my cabinet colleagues.

261:20

>> I rarely disagree with my cabinet

261:22

colleagues. It did not fry over their

261:25

heads. Honorable minister Ali.

261:29

>> This is a pattern of behavior.

261:33

>> This is a pattern of behavior.

261:35

>> Selective choosing of information. And

261:38

I'm putting the whole box.

261:39

>> Selective interpretation.

261:42

>> Selective quotation.

261:44

Chronic and bareface distortion.

261:47

Correct.

261:47

>> This is a pattern of behavior.

261:50

>> Correct.

261:50

>> Misleading the country. But guess what,

261:53

Mr. Speaker, the people, you know, they

261:56

say now,

261:57

>> Mr. Speaker,

261:59

>> honorable member,

262:01

>> Mr. Camp,

262:03

>> I I'm forced to stand again because the

262:06

honorable minister said chronic dis 40

262:10

acuted

262:12

chronic distortion. That would be to

262:15

everyone including myself who would have

262:17

cited the 58%. That's the bit that's the

262:20

latest available evidence that we have

262:22

on poverty in Guyana. And and and the

262:26

reason sir the reason sir that there is

262:28

not a more upto-date is because the the

262:31

the PPP government did not submitted the

262:34

necessary data for an updated report.

262:37

>> Okay. You stood on a point of order. Uh

262:40

if you want explanation

262:43

I will have to ask permission for the

262:45

honorable member to take his seat but I

262:49

want to rule on the point of order but

262:51

chronic distortion. I sat for 5 days and

262:56

here that we have 58% and 32%.

263:03

uh

263:06

>> and made out as if that is

263:11

>> in existence now.

263:14

>> No, no reference to the data and I'm

263:16

happy I'm hearing when the data was

263:20

pulled from. Go ahead, honorable

263:22

minister.

263:23

>> Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

263:26

Thank you very much, M. Thank you very

263:28

much, Mr. Speaker. And with your

263:31

permission and approbation, sir, I will

263:34

repeat

263:36

that while speaker after speaker on that

263:39

side repeated that statistic, not one of

263:42

them chose to turn to page 41 and

263:48

disclose that the data related to 2016

263:51

to 2018 period.

263:54

>> Not one of them. And once again sir

263:58

further on this matter I say not

264:02

>> Mr. speak. In addition to that,

264:04

>> in addition to that, sir,

264:07

I know right now,

264:10

>> in addition to that, sir, in addition to

264:14

that, sir, there is something called

264:16

basic common sense.

264:19

>> There's something called basic common

264:21

sense.

264:26

>> Mr. Speaker, this report explains that

264:30

it is measuring poverty during the APU

264:32

period. Admittedly,

264:34

it is measuring poverty against a

264:37

particular poverty line.

264:40

Mr. Speaker, that poverty line is

264:42

defined on page three.

264:46

It the section called methods.

264:50

And in that method section, it describes

264:52

the analytical approach

264:54

and it describes the poverty lines that

264:58

are used in this document.

265:02

>> Sir, let me quote

265:05

quote from the report. The report says,

265:09

and I quote, we use two poverty lines

265:13

for this paper.

265:15

Rather than constructing new lines, we

265:17

draw on lines already monitored by the

265:20

World Bank.

265:22

For extreme poverty, we use the cutoff

265:27

of $3.65

265:30

US

265:32

per capita per day, which the World Bank

265:36

defines as the median poverty line for

265:38

lower middle inome countries. TBA atal

265:42

2022.

265:44

I further quote sir that moderate

265:47

poverty refers to individuals living

265:51

with an income between $3.65

265:54

per day and $6.85

266:00

per day where US $6.85 per day is

266:05

defined by the World Bank as the median

266:07

poverty line for upper middle inome

266:10

countries.

266:12

Mr. Speaker,

266:15

if we take the moderate poverty line

266:19

of $6.85

266:22

per day, let us round that up. My arith

266:26

my arithmetic is not what it used to be

266:28

when I was younger. Let us round it up

266:31

for for convenience to seven US dollars

266:33

per day. And let us use again for

266:37

arithmetic convenience 200 to one. $7 US

266:41

per day at 200 to1 is 1,400 Ghana

266:44

dollars. Mr. Speaker, I challenge the

266:47

honorable member to find anybody in

266:50

Guyana working for 1400,400 Ghana

266:53

dollars per day. I challenge him to find

266:56

anybody working for or willing to work

266:58

for $1,400 per day. Unskilled laborers,

267:02

sir.

267:04

>> Unskilled. And everybody knows this.

267:06

$8,000 a day.

267:07

>> Everybody in Guyana knows this that an

267:10

unskilled laborer

267:12

>> $8,000 a day

267:13

>> does not come out of his bed and does

267:16

not leave his yard for less than

267:20

>> Minister Edel says $8,000 Ghana dollar a

267:22

day.

267:25

Sir,

267:26

>> common sense would tell you

267:29

>> common sense would tell you,

267:32

>> sir, that you can't get any. Nobody is

267:35

working for that amount of money in

267:37

Ghana. Nobody.

267:39

>> Nobody.

267:43

>> Sir,

267:44

>> if the honorable member can find people

267:46

who are working at that rate and willing

267:48

to work at that rate, bring them and we

267:49

will pay them.

267:50

>> We will employ them.

267:54

But but Mr. Speaker, it is convenient

267:59

to continue to repeat the

268:01

misrepresentation.

268:03

>> And it is this convenient and now

268:06

ingrained habit of misrepresentation. I

268:09

like I said could go on and on. We have

268:11

a labor market survey sir that has shown

268:13

how incomes have risen and how

268:15

employment has grown and how

268:17

unemployment has been h haveved and cost

268:20

>> sir and how unemployment has been h

268:22

haveved

268:24

>> sir

268:26

Mr. Speaker that survey is publicly

268:28

available and many members quoted from

268:30

it

268:33

>> Mr. speaker. But it is this chronic

268:36

habit,

268:38

>> it is this chronic habit of selective

268:42

citation of statistics, whether accurate

268:46

or otherwise

268:48

that has been displayed for a very long

268:51

time by the APNU, AFC, the PNC,

268:55

>> that has resulted now in their complete

268:58

and abject loss of credibility with the

269:01

people of Guyana. And that has directly

269:03

resulted in them being consigned to 12

269:06

seats in the backbenches.

269:08

There is a direct nexus because today

269:11

sir because today sir the gy people are

269:15

much wiser.

269:18

>> They are much wiser.

269:21

>> They are much much wiser sir.

269:26

With the result, sir, with the result,

269:29

sir, that as others have said before me,

269:36

those

269:38

who

269:40

for one reason or another

269:44

could not, of course, the People's

269:47

Progressive Party won a very solid

269:49

majority,

269:51

but we are a democracy and people are

269:53

free to choose and we will always

269:54

protect and defend agenda. And there are

269:57

some who are still not prepared to

270:00

choose the People's Progressive Party

270:01

and we will continue to work to win

270:04

their hearts and minds and we will win

270:06

their hearts and minds.

270:10

But sir, there are some

270:13

who are dieh hard PNC and they can't

270:15

bring themselves to vote for the PPP.

270:19

But Mr. Speaker,

270:21

in 2025, they decided that they did not

270:24

want to have anything to do with the PNC

270:28

any longer. And they walked away from

270:30

the PNC. And you saw it, Mr. Speaker, in

270:34

Lynden. You saw it in Georgetown. You

270:37

saw it in New Amsterdam. And you saw it

270:40

in villages throughout the length and

270:42

breadth of Guyana. And the tragic the

270:44

tragic reality sir is that they still

270:48

have not learned their lesson.

270:52

They still have the the same behavior

270:56

>> mindset

270:57

>> the same behavior continue. Mr. Speaker,

271:00

imagine

271:02

>> imagine

271:04

>> imagine that tens of thousands of those

271:07

people got to do with the budget.

271:09

>> It has everything to do with the budget.

271:11

>> Correct? because tens of thousands of

271:14

those people

271:16

>> preferred to walk away from the PNC

271:20

>> and walk towards a party headed by an

271:23

individual who is subject to

271:25

international sanctions.

271:28

>> Can you imagine that?

271:29

>> They walked away from you.

271:32

>> They walked away from you.

271:36

>> They w You love the Lindoners, but the

271:37

Lindoners discarded you. our country.

271:41

>> You love the Lindoners, but you did

271:42

nothing for the Lyneners and they

271:44

discarded you.

271:47

>> They discarded you

271:49

>> and they prefer to go and walk away to a

271:52

new brand new political entity headed by

271:54

an internationally sanctioned individual

271:58

>> rather than vote for the PNC.

272:02

>> Well, the PM well the PPP won 36 seats.

272:06

U12

272:07

resources

272:08

>> the PNC 136 the PPP the PPP 136 seats

272:15

you scrape home with 12

272:18

>> under your supervision must be flagged

272:20

to the election

272:23

>> Mr. Speaker

272:26

Mr. speaker.

272:28

>> And so, sir,

272:32

>> and so, sir,

272:34

>> tens of thousands of people, some came

272:37

to the People's Progressive Party

272:39

>> and the rest of them went to win.

272:44

>> That that's the reality. That's what

272:45

happened in

272:47

>> associating themselves and in fact, Mr.

272:50

speaker jeopardizing themselves.

272:55

>> Jeopardizing themselves,

272:59

>> Mr. Speaker,

273:03

>> jeopardizing themselves, sir,

273:08

>> jeopardizing themselves

273:10

>> by associating themselves now with a

273:13

party headed by a sanctioned individual.

273:20

Mr. Speaker,

273:24

>> Mr. Speaker,

273:27

>> have And I turn now, sir, to the leader

273:30

of the opposition.

273:34

>> I turn now, sir, to the leader of the

273:35

opposition.

273:38

>> And having listened to the presentation

273:41

>> by the leader of the opposition,

273:43

>> go ahead, Ashley.

273:45

Having listened to the leader of the

273:47

opposition,

273:48

>> having listened to the reading lessons,

273:52

>> now that you finish with me, I go

274:12

you want to come.

274:18

That's why we love our name.

274:31

>> The leader of the opposition

274:34

combine opposition.

274:36

>> That's how chickens behave.

274:40

>> That's how chickens behave.

274:45

and I'll be following you online.

274:46

>> I expected better of you, Honorable

274:48

Mahipal. Be careful who you follow.

274:50

>> Be careful who you follow online.

274:56

>> Be careful who Be careful about

274:58

following the night watchman.

275:02

>> Be careful about following the night

275:03

watchman or the T-baller.

275:14

Mr. Speaker, I turn now, sir, to the

275:18

leader of the opposition. And sir

275:22

>> sir,

275:25

I believe

275:27

that

275:29

we really are at a very important point,

275:33

a very importantly

275:43

been decimated and discarded,

275:46

consigned to the dust bins of historic

275:48

irrelevance.

275:50

Some have come over to us and others

275:52

have sought refuge like I said by a new

275:57

political party founded by a sanctioned

276:00

individual.

276:03

Mr. Speaker,

276:05

it is very important and but in doing

276:07

so, sir,

276:10

are willing or were willing

276:13

knowingly or unwittingly

276:17

to jeopardize themselves

276:20

by this association.

276:23

Mr. Speaker, I wish sir to quote

276:27

from

276:29

the US Treasury Department press release

276:35

issued sir

276:39

on June 11th, 2024

276:44

on the matter of the sanctions.

276:48

That press release said it started

276:54

today. The Department of the Treasury's

276:56

Office of Foreign Assets Control, OFAC,

277:00

sanctioned members of one of Guyana's

277:02

wealthiest families.

277:06

Nazar Muhammad and his son Azrad

277:09

Muhammad,

277:10

their company Muhammad's Enterprise,

277:14

etc., etc.

277:17

It goes on to indicate other parties who

277:20

were sanctioned

277:23

including business entities

277:28

namely Hadi's world team Muhammad's

277:30

racing team

277:33

etc.

277:35

It details sir

277:38

the offenses

277:41

committed

277:43

and it says amongst other things that

277:47

between 2019 and 2023

277:50

Muhammad's enterprise omitted more than

277:54

10,000

277:56

kilograms of gold

277:58

>> from import and export declarations

278:02

and avoided paying paying more than 50

278:05

million in duty taxes to the government

278:09

of Guyana.

278:11

It goes on further to say

278:15

that OFAC is designating Azreed and

278:18

Muhammad's enterprise

278:20

for being persons who have materially

278:23

assisted,

278:25

sponsored or provided financial,

278:28

material or technological support for

278:32

goods or services to or in support of

278:36

corruption including the

278:38

misappropriation of state assets.

278:40

the expropriation of private assets for

278:44

personal gain,

278:46

corruption related to government

278:48

contracts, or the extraction of natural

278:51

resources or bribery that is conducted

278:54

by a foreign person.

278:58

And it continues,

279:02

Mr. Speaker, subsequently

279:06

our country was regailed with the news

279:10

of an unsealed United States District

279:12

Court indictment

279:15

on the said

279:17

Azraine Muhammad.

279:21

And in that unsealed indictment, it said

279:26

that the named individual

279:30

did knowingly, and I quote, did

279:33

knowingly and with the intent to further

279:35

the objects of the conspiracy,

279:39

combine, conspire, confederate, and

279:41

agree with each other and others known

279:44

and unknown to the grand jury

279:49

to commit offenses against the United

279:52

States.

279:55

That is to knowingly and with intent to

279:59

defraud, devise, and intend to devise a

280:03

scheme and artifice

280:06

to defraud and to obtain money and

280:08

property by means of materially false

280:12

and fraudulent premises,

280:15

representations, and promises. knowing

280:18

that the pretenses, representations and

280:21

promises were false and fraudulent when

280:24

made

280:26

etc etc

280:28

including

280:30

in connection with interstate and

280:32

foreign commerce and it goes on.

280:36

Mr. Speaker, it spoke about a conspiracy

280:40

by the defendants in quotes to

280:43

unlawfully enrich themselves

280:47

and defraud the government of Guyana in

280:51

connection with taxes and loyalties and

280:53

royalties.

280:55

It spoke about offenses committed in the

280:57

United States of America,

281:01

coordinated with company one via

281:04

electronic communications between Guyana

281:07

and Miami to transport gold sold by

281:11

Muhammad's Enterprise from Guyana to

281:13

Miami and Dubai via Miami.

281:17

and in connection with those shipments

281:19

that the defendants caused payments to

281:22

company one from bank accounts in Guyana

281:26

to the southern district of Florida. It

281:29

goes on to speak of company two whom the

281:35

defendants caused to ship empty wooden

281:38

boxes,

281:41

Mr. Speaker, with seals from gold

281:43

buyers. It goes on, sir,

281:48

to state that the defendants reused

281:50

empty boxes with intact GR and Guyana

281:53

gold board seals. empty boxes

281:56

>> for shipments of gold to make it appear

281:59

that Muhammad's enterprise had paid

282:01

Guyana taxes and royalties on shipments

282:04

of gold

282:06

when in truth and in fact Muhammad's

282:09

enterprise had not paid them on those

282:13

shipments of gold.

282:17

It spoke of shipments through Miami with

282:19

at least 10,000 kg of gold

282:24

resulting in a loss to the GY

282:26

authorities of approximately $50 million

282:29

US.

282:31

And it spoke of the defendants using

282:33

those proceeds

282:35

for their own personal benefit.

282:41

Mr. Speaker,

282:43

it goes on sir to speak of conspiracy to

282:48

commit money laundering

282:51

and I quote from in or around 2017

282:56

and continuing through on or about June

283:00

11th, 2024 in Miami date county in the

283:04

southern district of Florida and

283:06

elsewhere.

283:08

The defendants did knowingly and

283:11

voluntarily

283:13

combine, conspire, confederate and agree

283:16

with each other and others known and

283:21

unknown to the grand jury to commit

283:24

offenses

283:26

etc etc in connection of course sir with

283:29

the offense of committing money

283:32

laundering. It spoke of the purpose of

283:35

the conspiracy.

283:36

It said that the purpose of the

283:38

conspiracy by the defendants was to

283:40

unlawfully enrich themselves

283:44

by engaging in a scheme to defraud

283:49

etc etc

283:52

Mr. Speaker

283:55

and I could go on sir but this is a

283:58

document it this document is publicly

284:01

available

284:05

Mr. Mr. Speaker, most people in Guyana

284:07

would read this document and be shocked

284:10

and horrified. They would want to know

284:12

if this is a movie they're watching.

284:15

>> They would want to know if this is a

284:17

movie they're watching.

284:21

>> Horror movie,

284:23

>> Mr. Speaker,

284:25

but this is not I mean this is these are

284:30

occurrences and events that are in most

284:33

in the minds of most gy

284:36

unfathomable unimaginable.

284:39

>> I should call the movie of the

284:42

>> Mr. Speaker,

284:44

I want sir, of course, as I simply

284:48

quoted sir from a public document and I

284:51

will defer obviously the attorney

284:54

general has addressed this matter in his

284:56

own presentation and he posed some

284:58

questions to the honorable leader of the

285:01

opposition which did not answer

285:03

>> which remain unanswered to date up or up

285:06

to now

285:09

>> and the matter is of course engaging the

285:11

attention

285:12

of of the court system.

285:16

So I will not sir

285:19

elaborate further on that matter. I have

285:21

infinite faith in the court system in

285:23

Guyana and I have no doubt that the

285:25

matter will be considered

285:28

and determined.

285:32

I wish sir because we we listened

285:37

we listened sir

285:40

to a presentation that would ordinarily

285:44

I think to most people appear on the

285:47

surface to be very convincing

285:51

because we heard the leader of the

285:52

opposition

285:54

espouse his

285:56

concern

285:58

for the ordinary gy citizen

286:01

the poor poor people of Guyana,

286:04

>> paragon of virtue.

286:06

>> He presented himself, sir, as the par as

286:09

indeed as a as a moral authority,

286:14

>> as a moral authority,

286:16

as a champion of the vulnerable in

286:19

Guyana. And if you looked at that

286:22

presentation on the surface, if you were

286:25

an outsider

286:27

or maybe even a Martian,

286:30

an outsider to our planet,

286:33

unfamiliar with what has been going on

286:36

on our planet and even in our country.

286:40

I can understand why you might be

286:41

mesmerized. You might be convinced.

286:45

>> Mesmerized.

286:46

>> Maybe not mesmerized. The reading did

286:49

get a little bit monotonous after a

286:51

while,

286:53

but I can understand why some may have

286:57

been or could be convinced.

287:02

But of course, Mr. Speaker,

287:06

you can't have committed these offenses

287:09

and not be

287:12

a very sophisticated,

287:14

even perhaps

287:16

manipulative individual.

287:19

You can't have committed these offenses.

287:23

And sir,

287:25

I don't wish like I said to

287:30

pronounce or express judgment or an

287:32

opinion on this matter. I will defer to

287:34

the courts of Guyana. But I want to

287:37

share with the people of Guyana

287:42

some extracts

287:44

from an article carried by the Guardian

287:50

which is a highly respected and this

287:52

article is not about the leader of the

287:54

opposition.

287:57

It's not about the leader of the

287:58

opposition of Guyana.

288:01

I want to read this article from the

288:04

Guardian.

288:05

The article is

288:08

headed up

288:11

well it's dated 29th of April 201

288:16

Sunday I believe 29th of April 2001

288:21

and it like I said was published by the

288:24

Guardian

288:25

and it's a two-part article

288:28

and that two-part article is called

288:32

Killing Pablo. Now I

288:36

I I'm a little bit uncomfortable with

288:38

the title, but I'm reading it as it is.

288:42

>> Which one of the Guardians? They got so

288:44

many Guardians newspapers all over.

288:46

>> Well, it's the Guardian.com, sir. It's

288:48

online as the guardian.com.

288:50

>> Okay.

288:50

>> www.theguardian.com.

288:55

But it's a story that has been widely

288:57

documented

288:59

>> all over the world. There are books and

289:02

movies. There are academic papers, there

289:05

are thesis

289:07

that have been written, thesis and

289:09

dissertations that have been written on

289:11

this very case.

289:14

Mr. Speaker, I want sir, I don't want

289:17

anybody to nod off. So, I don't want to

289:19

ask anybody to close their eyes

289:22

as they listen to this story.

289:27

I see the honorable minister Manik Chan

289:30

has her eyes wide open behind her

289:34

sunglasses

289:37

>> and we are hearing

289:38

>> and I'm not going to suggest that

289:39

anybody closes their eyes sir because

289:41

this is a matter that is so grave

289:45

that every single citizen of Guyana

289:48

>> should hear it

289:50

>> needs to listen to this story and needs

289:53

to keep their eyes very very wide open.

290:00

>> Sir,

290:02

this is what and like I said, there's a

290:04

reason why I said I don't want you to

290:05

close your eyes. You may close your eyes

290:07

and you may imagine that it is not an

290:10

individual called Pablo that the story

290:12

is about. And you may substitute for the

290:15

name Pablo,

290:17

>> any name that you believe might fit the

290:21

story. appropriate.

290:23

>> I'm I'm going to school today. I'm going

290:25

to school today. Try not. Let's go.

290:27

>> What appropriate?

290:30

>> I'm not suggesting any name, sir.

290:37

>> Mr. Speaker

290:41

in the preface the prefaratory paragraph

290:44

to the article.

290:48

The author

290:49

Mark Bowen, who coincidentally wrote a

290:52

book on this matter,

290:55

says, and I quote, "Colombian drug

290:59

baron,

291:00

playboy,

291:02

and politician

291:04

Pablo Escobar started out as a car thief

291:09

and became the world's seventh richest

291:12

man.

291:15

In the first of two extracts from his

291:18

new book, Mark Bowen explains how the

291:22

school teacher's son,

291:25

the son of an innocent school teacher,

291:30

would let nothing stand in his way,

291:35

not even the might of the United States

291:39

government.

291:42

The art

291:44

>> the teacher son is Pablo in this story

291:48

sir

291:50

the article reads as follows and I quote

291:54

again

291:56

as his fortune grew

292:00

and his fame spread

292:03

Pablo began tending his public image

292:09

conscientiously denying any official

292:12

connection to his illicit enterprises

292:15

and working hard to appear likable.

292:20

Although his reputation

292:23

terrified

292:25

even hardened Median criminals,

292:30

>> employing leftist rhetoric when it

292:33

suited his needs,

292:35

Pablo played upon popular resentment of

292:38

the established powers in Bogotaa

292:42

>> and the historically hard feelings

292:44

towards the United States.

292:47

It goes on, it gets very interesting,

292:48

sir.

292:50

It says, "Surrounded by bodyguards

292:55

and worshipful associates,

292:58

he had begun to see himself differently.

293:05

It wasn't enough anymore to have

293:08

succeeded on the streets of Medí

293:12

or to dominate the international drug

293:15

trade.

293:16

Somewhere along the way,

293:20

Pablo had begun to see himself as a

293:23

great man.

293:30

>> This story goes on.

293:34

Politics

293:36

was the next logical step. Oh.

293:43

>> Mhm.

293:46

>> In 1978,

293:47

>> it's like it's happening right here.

293:49

>> He was elected as a substitute city

293:51

council member in Medí.

293:54

He helped underwrite the presidential

293:56

campaign of President Betanor that year,

294:00

loaning the campaign planes and

294:02

helicopters

294:04

and also contributed liberally to the

294:07

campaign of Bettonor's rival Julio

294:10

Turbay.

294:12

So underwriting the campaign, loaning

294:15

planes and contributing liberally

294:18

to the rival as well.

294:20

>> We heard that tonight in the house. I I

294:22

don't know if this sounds familiar.

294:24

>> Somebody said they supported both sides

294:26

and as a businessman

294:30

heard that.

294:31

>> Mr. Speaker, the story goes on.

294:33

Two years later,

294:36

Pablo backed the formation of a new

294:38

national political movement. Movement.

294:44

>> Another movement.

294:47

A word, sir, that we heard

294:51

>> used with pride

294:54

>> right in this honorable house.

294:58

>> Wake up.

294:58

>> Two years later, Pablo backed the

295:01

formation of a new national political

295:03

movement,

295:06

etc., etc. In 1982, he ran for Congress

295:10

himself.

295:11

>> I read this. I read this book.

295:14

>> I witnessed it.

295:16

Mr. Speaker,

295:19

the story goes on. It said,

295:23

"So Pablo

295:26

became a congressman."

295:29

He became a congressman.

295:32

>> It was just a substitute position.

295:38

It was just a substitute position. I'm

295:40

not going to use the word shadow

295:41

position or

295:44

position on the other side or whatever

295:47

you want to call it. I'm quoting

295:48

faithfully from the article. It was just

295:51

a substitute position.

295:54

But the victory seemed precisely the

295:58

validation he had sought.

296:03

>> President

296:07

said, "Mr. Speaker, given the Colombian

296:10

constitution,

296:12

the post conferred automatic judicial

296:15

immunity.

296:17

So Pablo could no longer be prosecuted

296:20

for crimes under Colombian law. That's

296:22

of course Colombian law.

296:25

>> Not Chinese law.

296:26

>> Correct.

296:27

>> He was entitled to a diplomatic visa.

296:30

>> Wow.

296:31

>> Which he began using that year to take

296:33

trips with his family to the United

296:35

States. M

296:37

>> he paused in front of the White House

296:41

>> with his young son.

296:43

>> This is his normal story here.

296:45

>> And began enjoying for the first time

296:49

the mansions he had purchased for

296:52

himself in Miami.

296:55

Full stop.

296:57

>> Pablo had arrived. Full stop.

297:01

He told his friends

297:03

that he intended someday soon

297:06

>> be president

297:06

>> to be the president of Colombia

297:12

>> and people probably used to call him

297:13

president.

297:14

>> Yes.

297:22

actually it's interesting that you

297:24

should say that

297:25

>> because he founded the story continues

297:28

he founded his own newspaper

297:31

Medí civico of course that predated

297:33

social media

297:34

>> and social media pages

297:36

>> Facebook you remember

297:38

>> so in those days he founded his own

297:40

newspaper Medí civico

297:43

>> carries propaganda

297:44

>> which produced occasional fawn ing

297:47

profiles of its benefactor.

297:52

>> Yes, I remember him. One Escobar admirer

297:57

said in its pages, his hands almost

298:01

priestlike, drawing parabas of

298:04

friendship and generosity in the air.

298:06

The hands

298:08

>> drawing parabas of friendship and

298:11

generosity in the air. Yes, I know him.

298:14

his eyes weeping because there is not

298:17

enough bread for all of the nation's

298:19

dinner tables.

298:21

>> I have watched his tortured feelings

298:25

when he sees street children, angels

298:29

without toys, without a present, without

298:33

a fortune.

298:36

Pablo sponsored art exhibitions to raise

298:39

money for charity. He founded Medí

298:42

Without Slums, an organization that

298:45

sought to continue his housing programs

298:48

for the poor.

298:52

>> Oh,

298:53

>> somebody's been studying someone here.

298:57

>> He took walking tours of city slums.

299:01

>> Uhhuh.

299:01

>> With two local priests whose friendship

299:05

implied the blessings of the church.

299:07

>> Oh,

299:09

quarantine.

299:10

quarantine pastor

299:13

Philippi.

299:24

>> At this time,

299:26

he went to great lengths

299:30

to erase evidence of his more sorted

299:33

criminal past while still flaunting it

299:37

in private.

299:39

And he undertook an aggressive campaign

299:42

to be seen as a benevolent lawabiding

299:46

citizen.

299:47

>> Wow.

299:48

>> He hired publicists

299:50

>> and paid off journalists.

299:54

>> Sound familiar?

299:55

>> I'm reading, Mr. Speaker.

299:59

>> I'm reading, sir, from this article.

300:06

>> Mr. Speaker, with his election.

300:09

>> With his election,

300:12

>> Pablo became a popular public figure

300:16

>> to an increasingly admiring Bogotaa

300:19

press.

300:21

>> He became Colombia's own Robin Hood.

300:28

In April 1983,

300:31

>> the magazine Seana profiled him warmly,

300:34

noting only

300:36

that the sources of his wealth never

300:39

ceased to be the object of speculation,

300:43

>> waving his diamond and gold Rolex,

300:48

admitting to his ownership of a fleet of

300:50

planes and helicopters and vast real

300:53

estate holding things worldwide.

300:56

In the article, Pablo traced the origin

300:59

of his estimated5 billion US fortune

301:03

to a bicycle rental business which he

301:07

said he had started in Medí when he was

301:10

16 years old.

301:16

He went on to say

301:19

in quotes,

301:21

"I dedicated some years to the lottery.

301:25

Then I got into the business of buying

301:27

and selling cars and finally I ended up

301:31

in property." End of quote.

301:36

>> Mr. Speaker,

301:42

He and other narco kingpins

301:46

>> were at least for this brief period

301:49

popular heroes.

301:51

The embodiment of cool.

301:53

As glamorous as they were dangerous in

301:56

pop culture portrayals such as the TV

301:59

program Miami Vice, in real life,

302:02

Pablo played his role with panache.

302:07

Mr. Speaker, with panache.

302:14

Mr. Speaker,

302:16

Google

302:16

>> Honorable James, Honorable James Bond

302:24

is smiling with what I believe is

302:27

familiar recognition.

302:30

>> Pablo played his role

302:34

with Panache.

302:35

>> Steven Flemings, James.

302:38

>> Mr. Speaker,

302:40

By 1984,

302:43

he was untouchable

302:46

>> in Medí.

302:48

He moved openly around the city,

302:51

attending bull fights and nightclubs,

302:54

throwing parties at his estates, all the

302:56

while officially a fugitive.

303:00

Popular and powerful, he had clearly

303:03

bought off the police and courts there.

303:05

and anyone who considered standing up

303:07

against him was marked for

303:09

assassination.

303:10

>> Yes.

303:11

>> Yes.

303:15

>> Mr. Speaker,

303:17

and the story goes on

303:21

and it gets more and more gruesome.

303:27

Mr. Speaker,

303:29

further down the article,

303:32

Pablo was usually tipped off well in

303:34

advance of any effort to arrest him.

303:36

>> Wow.

303:37

>> And he had homes scattered throughout

303:39

the mountainous Medí area.

303:44

And Mr. Speaker,

303:48

this story continues

303:52

and tells the gruesome tale.

303:57

sir

303:59

of how this behavior continued

304:03

and continued

304:07

until sir

304:13

sir

304:16

sir

304:18

I I can't even bring myself to read all

304:21

of this article how gruesome it gets

304:24

but I'm seeing some parts here I think

304:26

that need to be mentioned.

304:32

Mr. Speaker, it says that he had bombed

304:36

or bribed just about every official in

304:38

Colombia,

304:40

but it was so clear that no one in

304:42

Bogotaa was going to cut a deal that

304:45

would jeopardize all important ties with

304:47

the United States government. So, what

304:50

do you think Pablo then decided to do?

304:53

Pablo then began trying to work some

304:56

influence in Washington.

304:59

He tried retaining

305:02

he had tried to retain a lobbying firm

305:08

>> managed by Henry Kissinger in an effort

305:11

to influence the Reagan administration.

305:14

and he retained a lawyer who worked in

305:17

the same firm as Jeb Bush, son of the

305:20

president-elect, hoping to eventually

305:23

persuade the younger Bush to approach

305:25

his father.

305:29

>> Both efforts failed,

305:33

Mr. Speaker, and this

305:38

I this is why I said it became gruesome.

305:42

>> No, no, no, no. The the honorable

305:44

attorney general is right.

305:46

>> There are some gory and gruesome

305:49

>> attorney general.

305:50

>> Mr. Speaker, there are some gruesome and

305:52

gory details to this story that I am

305:55

terrified to read. I don't even want to

305:57

read them.

305:59

>> There are some gory and gruesome details

306:02

to this story.

306:03

>> Bomb the plane.

306:04

>> Bomb the plane carrying civilians.

306:08

>> A commercial flight.

306:10

>> Did you say bomb the plane?

306:11

>> Bomb the plane. Bombed an Avianka

306:13

commercial flight.

306:15

>> Bombed the plane.

306:17

>> I remember that.

306:19

>> Bombed a commercial Aviana flight.

306:24

>> Gruesome. Mr. Speaker,

306:28

>> killing 110 people on the plane.

306:32

>> Mr. Speaker,

306:34

it was an act of audacious cruelty.

306:40

>> And Mr. Speaker, it is these atrocities

306:45

that would prove ultimately to be fatal

306:49

mistakes.

306:51

They made Pablo

306:54

enemies who were far more powerful than

306:58

any he had faced before.

307:02

Downing a commercial airliner

307:05

was an attack on global civilization.

307:09

It meant that Pablo now posed a direct

307:12

threat to American citizens.

307:17

And it goes on.

307:19

Mr. Speaker,

307:22

this is a terrifying story.

307:26

It's a terrifying story

307:29

and

307:33

I it would it is not my want sir to

307:36

superimpose

307:38

any parallels

307:42

direct or indirect obvious or obscure

307:47

>> to this story.

307:50

But I ask all Gy people

307:53

through you sir

307:56

while keeping your eyes wide open to

308:00

close your eyes and ask yourself if this

308:03

story sounds familiar.

308:07

>> If it rings a bell

308:09

>> it started

308:11

>> very familiar. We sir,

308:13

>> alarm,

308:15

>> we sir are at an extremely important

308:19

juncture

308:21

in our country's history.

308:24

And sir,

308:28

just like in the case of Pablo,

308:31

tragically sir, it is the most

308:34

vulnerable

308:37

who are being exploited

308:40

in pursuit of a very narrow personal

308:46

effort

308:48

to save oneself.

308:52

to save oneself.

308:56

>> And I I felt I felt sad, Mr. Speaker.

309:01

>> I felt sad as I sat here and listened to

309:05

the leader of the opposition speak.

309:09

>> Read

309:10

>> or read because he too is a young

309:13

Chinese person. And I asked myself,

309:17

how did he end up here?

309:20

in this situation

309:23

and

309:25

I went beyond. Sir, I thought of all of

309:28

the innocent people

309:31

who are being seduced,

309:35

recruited and seduced into this effort

309:39

with no thought of consequence

309:43

>> for them.

309:45

with no thought of consequence for them,

309:47

sir,

309:49

who are being recruited and seduced with

309:52

one objective in mind. Mr. Speaker, if

309:56

the honorable leader of the opposition

309:58

is innocent, then let the court process

310:01

proceed and let him prove his innocence,

310:03

as I'm sure he will endeavor to do,

310:06

>> if he could,

310:07

>> if he could.

310:10

>> But tragically, Mr. Speaker,

310:13

tragically, sir,

310:16

the leader of the opposition has chosen

310:20

to ensnare everybody,

310:23

all the members of his family,

310:27

innocent, poor people, vulnerable

310:29

people, recruiting them by whatever

310:32

means

310:34

to this quote unquote political movement

310:40

with one might speculate the hope that

310:44

somehow this will protect him.

310:50

Mr. Speaker,

310:53

the tale of Pablo

310:55

is a cautionary tale.

310:58

It's a cautionary tale.

311:02

And we have a duty as rightthinking Gy

311:06

citizens and there are many the

311:08

overwhelming majority of Gy citizens are

311:12

rightthinking.

311:15

We have a duty Mr. Speaker. It will not

311:19

happen. The court process will go its

311:21

way

311:23

and will continue and will reach its

311:25

eventual

311:27

its eventual culmination or conclusion

311:30

and so will he.

311:32

Mr. Speaker, but at some point in time,

311:37

at some point in time, those innocent

311:40

people

311:41

who

311:43

got disenfranchised with the PNC, didn't

311:45

feel that they could come with the PPP

311:46

ended up over there. Some of them had a

311:49

grouse. Some of them felt they were

311:51

treated badly. Some of them couldn't

311:53

bring themselves to vote for the PPP,

311:55

ended up over there. At some point in

311:57

time, sir, they will be left high and

311:59

dry. I and

312:01

>> high and dry.

312:02

>> Answer

312:04

one of their front benches,

312:08

a shadow minister, no less

312:13

in her innocent delusion

312:18

said that even when they carry he, the

312:20

money was still there.

312:24

>> We all recall that statement

312:27

>> that even when they carry he

312:31

I'm not calling any names sir

312:34

said that even when they carry he the

312:36

money go still there

312:40

>> Mr. Speaker,

312:42

>> we know who

312:43

>> Thankfully, sir. Thankfully, sir,

312:47

thankfully

312:48

the Gy people are a lot wiser than to

312:53

allow ourselves to go too far down this

312:56

road.

312:58

>> And the education you're giving them

313:00

tonight is helping.

313:01

>> They may not always be happy with the

313:03

People's Progressive Party.

313:06

We may not always get it right.

313:10

Out of 10 things, we probably do eight

313:12

very well. We probably do one reasonably

313:15

well. And number 10, we probably do not

313:18

so well.

313:20

We will not always get it right.

313:24

But we get the overwhelming majority of

313:25

things right. Yeah.

313:27

>> And we will continue to spend every

313:31

single day,

313:34

every single day, Mr. Speaker, not only

313:37

this week and this month,

313:39

>> every day,

313:40

>> every day for the next 5 years,

313:43

>> to ensure

313:45

that the people of Guyana see steady and

313:49

sustainable improvements in their lives

313:52

and to ensure that our country does not

313:56

end up down the abysmal path

314:01

of becoming

314:03

>> Pablo Republic.

314:06

captured

314:08

by Pablo and the likes of Pablo.

314:13

>> Mr. Speaker,

314:15

we commit ourselves to doing that work

314:19

in order to protect our country and to

314:22

protect the GY people.

314:25

There are some who for the short term

314:27

may have been convinced for one reason

314:29

or another

314:32

that

314:35

they would like to be over there.

314:38

But we in the People's Progressive Party

314:41

have infinite faith in the soundness of

314:45

the judgment of the GY people.

314:53

And so I say with the greatest of

314:55

respect I say with the greatest of

314:58

respect to the leader of the opposition

315:00

and I'm saying this publicly.

315:02

I say with the greatest of respect to

315:04

the leader of the opposition

315:07

through you sir

315:09

prove your innocence in court

315:12

as is your right. Prove your innocence

315:16

in court.

315:18

But through you again, sir, I beg of the

315:21

leader of the opposition, do not ensnare

315:24

innocent, vulnerable GY people in this

315:27

effort to save yourself.

315:31

If you are innocent,

315:33

you will prove that innocence,

315:36

but do not ensnare poor innocent GY

315:39

people.

315:43

It is the most

315:45

I don't want to use an inappropriate

315:47

word sir

315:49

but it is an extremely alarming

315:52

exploitation.

315:55

It's a heart. It's a We have seen callus

316:00

in Guyana before, particularly from the

316:03

PNC. We have seen mercilessness.

316:07

But this is a particularly callous

316:11

effort

316:13

to ensnare and endanger people.

316:17

to ensnare and endanger people

316:21

>> with purely selfish objectives

316:25

>> purely selfish objectives

316:29

so I say sir on behalf of this people's

316:32

progressive party civic government that

316:35

we don't want we are working hard we're

316:38

trying to build a modern Guyana and we

316:40

spent the whole of the last week

316:42

speaking about the modern Guyana that

316:43

we're building

316:46

have we saw solved every problem

316:47

already. We haven't.

316:50

We're working every day to solve

316:51

problems.

316:52

>> That's what we do.

316:53

>> That's what we do. That is what

316:54

responsible governments do.

316:59

And we have been very clear sir that the

317:03

Guyana that we are building

317:06

is not a Guyana where

317:09

anybody will have to sit around waiting

317:12

for a Pablo

317:15

or a Pedro

317:17

or whatever you might want to call him

317:19

to come along to give them a small piece

317:27

>> or whatever. whatever you want to call

317:28

them. The Guyana that we are building,

317:31

sir,

317:32

>> is a Guyana where every single Gy person

317:37

will be able

317:39

to get a good quality education and

317:41

training so that they can take care of

317:44

themsel

317:46

to be able to get a good quality job so

317:49

that they can earn for themsel.

317:52

>> To be able to become a homeowner on

317:54

their own so they don't depend on

317:55

anybody to go and build a house for

317:56

them. and then own them for the rest of

317:58

their lives

317:59

>> and be able to ensure them in some

318:02

inappropriate enterprise.

318:05

>> The Guyana that we're building is a

318:07

Guyana where everybody, every family

318:11

having become homeowners will be able to

318:13

own their own car,

318:16

will be able to educate their children,

318:20

will be able to live more comfortably.

318:21

And we are seeing that

318:24

>> Mr. Speaker, in every single social

318:27

indicator,

318:28

number of students attending high

318:30

school, number of students passing

318:31

examinations,

318:34

access to improved health care. Of

318:36

course, obviously, not every problem has

318:38

been solved in the education sector, the

318:39

health sector. But nobody can stand up

318:42

with a straight face and say that the

318:45

quality of health care and the quality

318:46

of education they get today is vastly

318:50

superior. vastly

318:52

>> vastly superior to what they benefited

318:54

from 5 years ago. Nobody can say that

318:56

with a straight face.

318:58

>> I'm looking for a PNC doctor though.

319:01

>> Mr. Speaker,

319:02

>> a Spanish speaking one, you got to speak

319:05

Spanish.

319:07

>> Mr. Speaker, we have taken the position.

319:12

Whatever your political orientation

319:14

might be,

319:16

if you want training to become a doctor

319:19

or nurse,

319:21

We encourage, we train you for free.

319:24

>> Yes.

319:25

>> And you are guaranteed a job when you

319:27

finish the training.

319:31

>> We are increasing the places for medical

319:33

training

319:35

so that you can access training in the

319:37

medical sciences in regions two and six

319:41

and elsewhere.

319:44

>> We recognize that we need engineers and

319:46

we want young boys and girls to become

319:48

engineers. And we have said you must not

319:50

only be able to become an engineer by

319:52

coming to Tain to Turkine campus or to

319:54

Tain campus. Well in fact you couldn't

319:56

do engineering at Tain campus. We have

319:58

said we will now deliver engineering in

320:01

regions two in region six and elsewhere

320:04

region three.

320:09

You can't come to the course to have

320:11

access to university education.

320:14

We will deliver it to your home in your

320:16

village through the gold scholarship

320:18

program.

320:18

>> We're doing that.

320:23

>> You can't come to the coast or you live

320:25

in the hinderland and you are not well

320:27

and it's a small village that doesn't

320:29

have a big hospital. We will diagnose

320:32

you using teley medicine

320:35

and on the basis of di that diagnosis we

320:38

will treat you.

320:40

>> This sir is the guy that we're building.

320:43

Yes,

320:46

>> you historically never used to get water

320:48

in your village. We will sink a well and

320:49

we will build a water distribution

320:51

system. You historically never used to

320:53

have access to electricity. We will

320:55

deliver a a solar panel and a household

320:58

unit. If you are too far away from a

321:00

mini grid and if you're living in a

321:03

heavily populated community, we will

321:04

build a mini grid for you in your

321:07

community.

321:09

Mr. speaker. They came, they trotted out

321:14

all week

321:16

and said,

321:21

well, in fact, the leader of the

321:22

opposition today said putting people

321:27

last. I think he said that with a lot of

321:29

mirth and amusement.

321:30

>> He wants to be put first.

321:32

>> He's the only one that must come first,

321:35

>> sir.

321:38

To all of the children,

321:41

to all of the children who will be

321:44

enjoying improved access to quality

321:47

education in the more than 100 newly

321:51

constructed modern schools across the

321:53

country and who will benefit from the 40

321:57

additional schools that we are building

321:58

right now. We are putting those children

322:01

first.

322:06

their parents who no longer have to buy

322:08

textbooks.

322:10

Their teachers who no longer have to

322:12

worry about buying basic school

322:14

necessities because we're giving school

322:16

grants, we are putting those teachers

322:19

and those parents first.

322:23

Mr. Speaker,

322:25

the 14,000 children whose parents no

322:30

longer have to shoulder the full cost of

322:33

CC and Cape

322:35

>> we are paying that

322:36

>> we are paying the exam for you.

322:39

>> So no child will be told you cannot

322:41

write eight subjects because your

322:42

parents can't afford to pay the fees.

322:45

>> Yes.

322:46

>> And all of us know Mr. speaker of

322:49

children who in a previous era could not

322:52

write the number of C-section subjects

322:53

that they were able to write simply

322:56

because their parents could not afford

322:57

it. All of us know children who could

322:59

have gone on to do Cape but whose

323:02

parents chose not to. They were

323:03

brilliant children capable of going on

323:06

to Cape. Capable of winning

323:08

scholarships, doing well at Cape and

323:09

winning the scholarships that would come

323:11

with topping the country at Cape but did

323:13

not go on to write Cape because their

323:14

parents could not afford to send them.

323:16

And we are saying to you, we will pay

323:19

for the cape. We will pay for the CET.

323:22

We will put the textbooks in the

323:23

schools. We will give you a cash grant.

323:25

Every single child, $85,000 a month.

323:28

$85,000 a year. Sorry.

323:31

We will give you the because we care

323:33

cash grant $85,000 a year.

323:37

The a cash grant incidentally, which was

323:39

taken away

323:42

by the AP and UFC. We restored it. We

323:45

have increased it. We've added a

323:47

transportation grant. And when you add

323:49

the uniform grant, it comes up to the

323:52

very respectable sum of $85,000 a year

323:55

for every single child.

324:01

So when you say the budget has nothing

324:04

for anybody, tell that to the parents of

324:06

those children.

324:08

And their solution, they can't even

324:10

figure out what their solution. Some of

324:11

them say we will increase the cash grab.

324:15

BS.

324:16

>> Some of them say 5Bs. Bring back the 32

324:19

dilapidated buses.

324:23

>> Not to mention the fact that we have

324:25

been distributing

324:27

providing buses to in remote

324:29

communities.

324:31

>> Mr. Speaker in the public health care

324:33

system the people who will enjoy

324:36

worldclass care at Lima the Kendran

324:38

diamond and more bath number 75 village

324:44

modern hospitals

324:46

>> and there's no denying if you visit

324:47

those hospitals I had the privilege of

324:50

visiting the number 75 village hospital

324:52

not so long ago I was in Barbies as I am

324:55

frequently

324:57

a brand new hospital staffed

325:01

by specialist doctors including highly

325:06

talented and highly qualified Gion

325:08

doctors.

325:15

>> All of those patients who are going to

325:17

benefit from that that world class

325:20

healthcare sir

325:21

>> 38,000

325:22

>> they don't count

325:23

>> benefited.

325:24

>> You have 38,000 who have already

325:25

benefited.

325:26

>> Yes.

325:28

You have hundreds of elective surgeries

325:31

and emergency surgeries that have been

325:32

done.

325:34

>> The hearing aids that we will

325:35

distribute, the assistive aids that we

325:37

will distribute,

325:40

the more than 90,000 old age pensioners

325:44

who will receive an increased pension,

325:50

they're not going to be benefiting from

325:51

this budget, Mr. Speaker.

325:54

And so we have listened,

325:57

Mr. Mr. Speaker, and I could go on in

325:59

every sector, in the farming

326:02

communities,

326:03

the sugar workers who will continue to

326:06

be able to work in the sugar industry as

326:08

we continue to strive to modernize the

326:10

industry and make it vibrant,

326:12

competitive, they don't count.

326:15

>> The rice farmers who would continue to

326:18

benefit from our extension services and

326:20

our support with patty and fertilizer,

326:22

they don't count.

326:27

the cash crop farmers

326:30

who will benefit from the hopeike canals

326:32

that we are building to make sure that

326:33

the risk of flooding is minimized and we

326:36

are building those hopeike canals in

326:38

region in in region six in region five

326:42

and in region three.

326:44

>> Yes, we are on the way

326:45

>> hopeike canals.

326:48

They don't count. The farmers who will

326:51

be planting the 100,000 plus acres of

326:53

new land that will be opening up for

326:55

cultivation. They don't count.

326:59

Well, Mr. Speaker, we count them.

327:01

>> And I can assure you, we will continue

327:04

to put all of those people first.

327:10

>> Who eat the food that the farmers make

327:12

here?

327:13

>> Mr. Speaker,

327:14

the infrastructure that we're building

327:16

out,

327:18

the roads

327:22

that for so long have been inadequate

327:25

to handle the rapidly growing traffic.

327:29

Many speakers on our side of the house

327:31

made reference to the fact that now in 3

327:34

months we import 9,9 10,000 basically a

327:38

whole series 9,999

327:41

motor vehicles are imported

327:44

within 3 months. Those are Gion families

327:48

becoming owners of their own

327:50

transportation.

327:52

And that didn't happen by magic, Mr.

327:54

Speaker. It didn't happen by magic. It

327:58

happened, Mr. speaker because very

328:01

simply it happened sir because

328:07

more of them are working

328:10

more of them are earning

328:13

more of them are in a position to go to

328:15

the bank and take a loan because they

328:19

now have an income they now have a

328:22

demonstrated accumulation of some amount

328:24

of savings in the bank they are

328:27

financially included

328:29

They are credit worthy.

328:31

>> Yes,

328:32

>> they have assets that they can pledge

328:34

and the banks consider them to be a good

328:37

credit risk.

328:40

>> Mr. Speaker, on that matter alone,

328:44

I can speak for hours,

328:48

sir,

328:50

if you look, Mr. speaker at the manner

328:53

in which private sector credit has

328:56

grown.

328:59

Mr. Speaker,

329:01

it's important that we understand what

329:03

is happening.

329:05

Mr. Speaker, credit by the banking

329:08

system

329:10

to households. We have to understand

329:12

what's going on. This n this 10,000 cars

329:15

every quarter didn't happen by magic.

329:17

The banks don't lend people who are not

329:20

earning or who don't demonstrate a good

329:23

credit risk. You have to have a good

329:25

credit risk because the banks are

329:27

lending other people savings.

329:30

Mr. Speaker,

329:33

at the end of 2019,

329:38

at the end of 2019,

329:42

or if you want to fast forward even to

329:43

the end of 2020, it doesn't matter.

329:45

either

329:46

uh benchmark will give you the same

329:48

result. At the end of 2020,

329:52

total credit by the banking system

329:55

for the purchase of motor cars

329:59

was $10 billion, $10.4 billion. The year

330:01

before it was 9.3.

330:05

Mr. Speaker, at the end of 2025,

330:10

total credit for the purchase of motor

330:13

cars is now a whopping 33.3

330:18

billion. More than three times what it

330:20

was in 2020. More than three times,

330:24

that is $33 billion have been lent to Gy

330:29

families

330:31

>> to put Mr. Speaker,

330:33

>> let us sir process. I know you of course

330:38

are a distinguished economist yourself.

330:41

So I know you will process these numbers

330:43

faster than most. Let us process for a

330:46

moment what has happened with private

330:48

sector credit just for the purchase of

330:50

motor vehicles. The banks in Guyana

330:55

have lent Gy households $33 billion,

330:59

meaning they have found enough Gy

331:02

borrowers who are sufficiently creditw

331:05

worthy, meaning they either had assets

331:08

that they could pledge and or they had a

331:11

stream of income that the bank was

331:13

satisfied will be able to repay the loan

331:15

to lend, Mr. Speaker, $33 billion to

331:20

Gian families to buy motorc cars.

331:24

>> Process that for a minute.

331:27

>> The answer, the reason, sir, is very

331:29

simple.

331:31

The reason is very simple. More Gy

331:34

people are working.

331:35

>> Yes.

331:36

>> More own their own home so they can

331:39

pledge their own their home or an asset

331:41

as a collateral.

331:43

More gy families have a level of

331:45

disposable income that demonstrates

331:48

creditworthiness.

331:49

>> They're there for a good credit risk and

331:51

the banks have confidence in them. The

331:54

banks as you know are very conservative

331:56

in Guyana.

331:58

So imagine even with this conservative

332:01

posture,

332:02

Mr. Speaker, this is reflected

332:04

everywhere. It's reflected in every

332:06

single sector.

332:09

It's reflected in every single sector.

332:12

Uh you Mr. Speaker, I could be here for

332:15

a very long time.

332:18

I could be here for a very long time.

332:20

Sir,

332:21

>> if you look at every category of vehicle

332:24

registration,

332:27

>> Mr. Speaker, if you look at private

332:28

sector credit and the manner in which

332:31

private sector credit on the whole has

332:34

increased,

332:36

Mr. Speaker, at the end of 2020, total

332:42

credit by the banking system amounted to

332:45

259

332:47

billion Ghana dollars. 259.8 billion

332:50

Ghana dollars. At the end of 2019, hold

332:52

that number 259.8,

332:56

Mr. Speaker, at the end of 2025, that

332:59

number which you will recall at the end

333:01

of 2020 was 259 billion. At the end of

333:05

2025, it is $531.8

333:09

billion.

333:11

More than double. More than double. And

333:14

it went to GY businesses in agriculture,

333:18

in mining, manufacturing, services.

333:21

Credit to household, Mr. Speaker, credit

333:23

to households has doubled.

333:27

At the end of 2019, credit to households

333:29

was 33.5 billion. It was 34.1 billion at

333:34

the end of 2020. At the end of 2025, it

333:37

is $66 billion.

333:40

These are not, Mr. Speaker, real estate

333:43

mortgages.

333:45

At the end of 2020, real estate

333:47

mortgages amounted to 90.6 billion. At

333:51

the end of 2025, real estate mortgages

333:53

amounted to $185 billion. That's crazy.

333:58

>> Double in five years. double.

334:02

And what's more, Mr. Speaker,

334:05

we want to make sure that every single

334:09

Gian who wants to set up a small

334:11

business,

334:14

>> we want them to be able to access

334:16

credit, access financing for their

334:18

business. Mr. President, Mr. Speaker,

334:22

>> our president,

334:25

>> our president

334:27

made an announcement that we will

334:29

establish anme development bank

334:32

>> 100 million US injected in this.

334:35

>> This budget includes a hundred million

334:37

US

334:39

>> and Mr. Speaker, we're going to use that

334:42

money to give small business loans

334:48

>> to small entrepreneurs, sir at zero

334:53

interest,

334:54

>> at zero collateral. We will not ask them

334:57

to pledge collateral and we will not

334:59

charge them any interest.

335:02

>> Finances. And what is more sir is we

335:06

will work with them to be able to to to

335:10

access additional financing with

335:12

commercial banks and we will work with

335:15

them at a concessional rate

335:17

and we have already described the

335:20

mechanism under which that will be done

335:22

that they can access up to another $7

335:23

million

335:25

and Mr. Speaker, our ultimate objective

335:28

is for them to graduate out of this

335:30

program and become small and

335:31

medium-sized entrepreneurs who can stand

335:34

on their own two feet.

335:40

>> And so, Mr. Speaker,

335:43

like I said, I could go on for a very

335:47

long time, but perhaps I will save some

335:49

of that for another occasion.

335:52

>> I will conclude, sir.

335:54

I will conclude sir

335:57

very simply

335:59

>> I will conclude sir very simply by

336:02

saying the following

336:04

>> we really are

336:06

>> we really are at a truly

336:09

historic moment in our country's history

336:14

>> in so many ways

336:16

>> in so many ways

336:18

and the people of Guyana are

336:20

demonstrating a greater sophistication

336:24

in their political judgments

336:26

>> than at any other time

336:28

>> in our country's history.

336:31

And we saw this

336:34

>> in 2025.

336:36

And Mr. Speaker, our pledge,

336:40

our pledge

336:42

to all Gian

336:45

is that not a single day will go by over

336:48

the course of the next 5 years.

336:52

Not a single day or a single hour will

336:56

go by over the course of the next 5

336:58

years that we led by our president will

337:02

not be working hard

337:06

to convince every single GY person those

337:09

who voted with us and will be and would

337:12

like to stay with us and those who for

337:16

whatever reason did not vote with us. We

337:19

will spare no effort in working hard to

337:23

convince you and to demonstrate to you

337:25

in an even more emphatic fashion than we

337:28

have done in the past that the People's

337:31

Progressive Party remains the vastly

337:35

superior alternative

337:37

amongst all competing if I might afford

337:41

them that portrayy amongst all competing

337:44

political alternatives.

337:46

Our manifesto spells out what we will

337:48

do. And as my colleagues have said

337:51

before me, budget 2026 represents the

337:55

first installment in the delivery of

337:57

that manifesto.

338:00

And the privilege is mine, sir, on

338:03

behalf of the people's progressive party

338:06

civic government

338:08

to thank everyone in this house who

338:12

contributed to this debate. not only my

338:15

colleagues on this side of the house,

338:18

>> but in fact even those on that side of

338:21

the house

338:23

>> to thank all of them for putting on

338:25

display once again to the gy people why

338:30

a vote for the people's progressive

338:32

party civic is a vote for Guyana and for

338:35

the gy people.

338:38

I am privileged sir

338:41

to commend budget 2020 to join my

338:43

colleagues in commending budget 2026 to

338:46

this honorable house and at the

338:48

appropriate time sir with your

338:50

permission I will be moving the relevant

338:52

motions to secure its passage. I thank

338:55

you very much sir.

339:07

Thank you very much honorable

339:10

senior minister in the office of the

339:12

president with responsibility for

339:14

finance the honorable Dr. Ashni Kumar

339:19

Singh.

339:25

Honorable members, the debate

339:28

has concluded today,

339:31

Saturday

339:33

the 7th of February,

339:36

2026.

339:39

Before we adjourn, sorry, suspend,

339:42

we will consider and dispose of the

339:45

report of the business subcommittee

339:48

of the committee of supply

339:51

and this is on the allocation of time

339:56

for the consideration of the 2026

340:00

estimates

340:02

of expenditure by the committee of

340:05

supply.

340:06

We will now go into committee of supply

340:10

for this purpose.

340:12

Sergeant arms will now put the mace

340:16

below the table.

340:19

And for the first time members going

340:24

through their budget process,

340:26

we're now going into committee of the

340:30

whole, the committee of supply to

340:32

consider the allocation of time for each

340:35

one of the heads, the ministries, and

340:38

the report

340:40

on those allocations by the business

340:42

subcommittee has been circulated.

340:50

So now the assembly is in the committee

340:52

of supply

340:54

and I wish to report

340:57

that the business subcommittee

341:00

of the committee of supply this

341:02

committee we met on Wednesday the 4th of

341:06

February 2026.

341:08

We consider the allocation of time for

341:12

consideration of the 2006 estimates

341:16

in this subcommittee

341:19

and pass the resolution

341:21

on this matter.

341:24

As I've said the copies of the minutes,

341:30

resolution and schedule has been

341:33

circulated have been circulated.

341:36

I now call on the honorable

341:39

senior minister

341:41

Dr. Singh

341:43

to move the

341:45

necessary motion.

341:48

Thank you very much Mr. Chairman. I now

341:52

sir move that this committee doth agree

341:58

with the business subcommittee in the

342:00

said resolution. Thank you very much

342:03

sir.

342:05

and the details of which are

342:08

uh included.

342:13

I now put a question that the committee

342:17

of supply

342:19

approve

342:21

of the resolution. Those in favor say I.

342:24

>> Those against say no. Eyes have it.

342:29

We have passed the resolution. Just want

342:31

to draw your attention. I think one of

342:33

the days we're going to go till 2:00

342:35

a.m.

342:38

>> on Thursday.

342:44

>> Well, we have allocated the time. We

342:46

just can't consider it now.

342:49

Let the assembly resume.

343:03

So we're back in

343:06

committee,

343:08

honorable members at this hour. Again, I

343:12

want to congratulate the honorable

343:15

senior minister for his almost

343:19

9 hours and 35 minutes of presentations

343:24

during these debates.

343:28

This is a good time to take the

343:29

suspension and we return on Monday at 2

343:33

p.m. Have a safe trip home. Good night.

343:52

Heat. Heat.

344:41

Everyone.

344:55

Heat. Heat.

345:55

Heat. Heat.

346:49

Heat. Heat.

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