3RD SITTING – THIRTEENTH PARLIAMENT | 2026 BUDGET DEBATE | DAY 5| PART 2
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Thank you honorable members. Please be
seated.
And let us invite
our honorable prime minister,
Brigadier
Super
Mark Phillips.
I forget your medication.
>> Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
>> Mr. Speaker, the only reason I'm walking
with this medication because I have
concern for the honorable members on the
other side of the house.
So if during my presentation or
afterwards
>> you need some relief, it's here.
>> We have enough for them.
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> I was about to say thank you for walking
with it. I You reminded me to send for
mine.
>> You might need it.
>> Mr. Speaker, today
I rise again
in support
of budget 20
26. And I say again because I rose many
times before from 2020 to now supporting
budgets that has transformed the lives
of the people of Guyana. as prime
minister of Guyana,
>> proudly as the prime minister of Guyana,
supporting his excellency
and of course supporting
our senior minister of finance in the
office of the president
Dr. Ashni Kumar Singh
and I must take the opportunity to
compliment
Dr. Singh for once again
having a budget
prepared that continues to keep us on
the trajectory
one of development.
Mr. Speaker,
this budget is being presenting
presented it was presented
on the 26th
of January 2026
at the defining moment
in our national life.
Following the general and regional
elections of September the 4th, 2025,
the People's Progressive Party Civic
>> Government returned to office not with
33 seats,
with 36 seats.
>> That's right. That's right.
>> The people of Guyana sent a message,
>> clear message.
>> Loud and clear. We want the PPPC
in government for the next 5 years to
steer the ship of development in Guyana
and
>> more.
>> And you know,
Mr. Speaker,
I sat unfortunately I wasn't here for
the first two days, but I heard
the presentations
from
the opposition, the combine opposition,
the smaller and smaller
components of the opposition.
And of course,
The seat that is awarded based on the
remainerium
enshrined
in our laws, our electoral laws. Some
say left leftovers.
>> Left left bun.
>> But then they will say a seat is a seat.
Bombay.
>> Bombay. That's right.
>> But you know, Mr. Speaker,
before I go into
the areas
of development that falls within the
ambit of the office of the prime
minister and you know as a prime
minister this is a unique prime
ministerial ship
hearkens back to the time of Mr. Samuel
Hines.
He was a prime minister with
responsibilities
>> not like
>> and
>> we had an intergnum
like that
>> and we have decided to continue with the
tradition
>> restore dignity to the prime
>> restore dignity to the prime minister
office
>> responsibility
>> and responsibility
>> responsibility
>> so even though I speak to you as prime
minister I still have to report on
several areas
not only on the prime ministerial
secretariat,
>> on disaster preparedness,
>> on energy.
>> On ICT connectivity.
>> Yes. Yes.
>> Areas.
>> All right. and on public communications
and information in Guyana.
>> Of course, I'm a member of the defense
board, too.
>> That's right.
>> And I'm ready to serve in any other
capacity so directed by his excellency
or president.
>> Mr. Speaker,
there are two or three matters that I
want to clear before I move into
discussing those areas of
responsibility.
And unfortunately, I would have expected
the
opposition leader or leader of the
opposition to be present here
because that would be in the true
fashion of a budget debate.
Should not be one-sided.
Both sides should be led
>> by their appointed constitutionally
appointed leaders.
me being leader of government business
and the leader of the opposition.
Unfortunately, this chair is empty.
>> So, we start with an empty chair
>> after a lot of excitement,
a lot of protesting
>> to occupy that seat.
>> And now the seat empty. And now the seat
is empty. Mr. Speaker,
>> and you know, Mr. Speaker,
>> if you're going to come to this house in
the absence of the leader of the
opposition, I want to educate the
members over there. If you're going to
come to this house and you're going to
criticize,
the policies,
the projects, the programs of the
government side, at least do some
research
>> and be present.
>> I know somebody complain that is a lot
of reading. But I used to be instructor
to start school in the military. And
whenever a student come to me and say,
"But you know, directing staff, it's a
lot of reading."
My response to that student was always,
"It's only a lot of reading if you do it
all."
Bit deep, right?
>> It's only a lot of reading if you do it
all.
>> The reality is that if you want to pass,
you have to do the readings.
>> That's right.
>> That's correct. That's correct.
>> That's correct. That's correct.
>> You have to spend the time and do the
readings. government is actually real
work.
>> You as opposition
>> is an important part of the governance
structure of Guyana.
>> And you have
>> you as opposition. You are. I said you
are.
>> I said you are. I did.
>> I said no. I'm sorry. If I say that, I'm
sorry. I'm I stand corrected.
>> I stand corrected. You you as opposition
you are
>> an important part of governance. You
have to keep us
literally and figuratively on our feet.
And you could only do that if you read.
As somebody said before, leaders are
readers.
>> Leaders are readers. So now that you
earn your seat
>> on the side of the opposition, you have
to do the reading. That's right.
>> You have to do the readings.
>> It will be a lot of readings.
>> And you have to do it all
>> if you're going to be effective here.
>> So you don't just ask somebody to send a
photograph.
>> And in addition to reading, you have to
do research. You have to go on the
ground.
>> The members on the depleting side of the
opposition, they have a favorite term
they always use, boots on the ground.
You have to put on your boots and go on
the ground.
>> Not to come like the honorable member,
Miss Scarlet, and tell this house, but
the lights off at Kato.
>> The lights ain't off at Kato. The lights
never went on at Kato.
You know why? Because we constructed the
hydropower dam and we wiring the 32
buildings to take the colors. We
finished wiring 28. And tomorrow,
tomorrow,
tomorrow we will turn on the lights
because the staff who has to man the
facility 247,
they went to let them for training and
including the staff are five women. You
should have pulled one of them aside and
asked them.
>> Don't come and mislead this house.
Because if you're a member of a party
that started on a lie,
>> you have to end on a lie because you led
by lies and liars. Is that a lie, Mr.
Speaker?
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> no. No. Unreal PM is not but um you're
treading on the unparliamentary
language.
>> Until
lie with untruth.
>> Mr. Speaker, I stand corrected.
>> I replace lie with untruth.
Mr. Speaker,
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> the honorable member Sar Boholly,
>> come to this house
>> and introduce a new word,
>> corruption.
>> What is corruption?
>> You are led by the poster child of
posterby of corruption.
>> That is your leader.
That is your leader and that is poetic
justice.
>> You come to tell us one thing and it fly
back right in your face
>> because you are led by the poster boy of
corruption.
>> Are you going to shout Mr. Speaker
again?
>> Are you going to shout Mr. Speaker?
And when you have your next when you
have your next conversation with your
leader,
>> tell him
>> that once you are blessed with life,
>> there are two things that you cannot
avoid. Debt and taxes.
>> I say no more.
>> You just said it all.
Don't come to this house
>> as merchants of grief
>> trading on people's sentiments
>> and sorrows
>> and sorrows.
>> You come here with your emotional
appeals
>> crocodile tears
>> false crocodile tears
>> tears.
>> I could cry too and I could wipe my eye.
>> Cry me a river
and nobody. You talking about a hospital
that since it opened every day treating
hundreds of gyles free of charge, saving
lives
and then they had
a routine servicing
of the roof and the guttering and
somebody failed to turn off failed to
turn off the top, right? fail to turn
off the pump. When they checking the
roof and the pumping system, some water
get on the ground, somebody picks and
send it to you,
>> right? And quickly they clean up the
water, right? Mop up the place, fix the
roof, fix the leaks, everything and
continue to serve people. All right.
>> You must not be a merchant of grief,
>> a propagandist.
>> Because if you keep telling yourself
that over and over, everybody around you
going to believe in the lie
>> yourself.
Don't come to this house and tell
halftruths and untruths.
>> Well, again, I corrected myself. Half
truths and untruths.
>> Halftruths and out truths.
>> Strangers to the truth.
>> You're strangers to the truth.
>> If you started with halftruths and
untruths, you will continue along that
line.
>> You continue along that line.
>> You hear me?
>> And you know,
>> Mr. Speaker,
come back to this thing about reading.
Read the list. Read the list.
>> If you don't want to read, use the phone
that is given to you as a member of the
operation.
>> And Google,
>> Google. Use your phone on Google.
>> And AI.
>> AI will give an overview
of Guyana's budget. Just type in
Guyana's budget 2020 to 2026.
>> No, I just I I'm trying to help you to
understand because I thought was
something difficult when we reading but
then I realized AI already captured it.
Guyana's budget 2020 to 2026
reflect a shift from pandemic recovery
and economic stabilization to rapid
oildriven infrastructure transformation
and social development. Hold on. Hold
on. Hear this one. Hear this one.
Putting the people first. focusing on
massive infrastructure investment,
education and strengthening household
incomes.
>> That is on AI. So if you didn't do the
relay AI, you would have been you would
have been educated.
Don't come to this house.
>> The honorable member
>> the honorable member Missnam
in our presentation talk about live
react.
I stand corrected.
Talk about lived reality.
>> Live reality.
>> I am 6 to 4 years old. I'll be 6 to 5.
I'll be 6 to 5 this year. And I want to
tell you about live reality in Gana.
Live reality. And it's significant that
this year, this year we are celebrating
our 60th anniversary of independence
with a democratically
elected government in place.
>> Remember in 1966 we had a democratically
elected government in place.
You're looking back.
>> Hello.
>> I was not 136 or six. I never said that.
I was 5 years old. But I remember I did
all the readings.
>> I did all the readings.
>> Don't try to throw me off. 1966 we had a
democratically elected government.
>> Our level of education and development
was surpassing
who?
>> Caribbean.
>> Don't worry. Who we led by?
>> We were led by boredom.
>> But he disappointed all of us. I don't
want to invoke his name here. Mr.
Speaker,
>> fast forward to 1968.
What has happened in Guyana? From 1968
>> to 1992. She had a walk. They can't
handle the truth.
>> Once you walk is because you can't. It's
two things. Either you're going to use
the bathroom or you can't handle the
truth.
>> He's going to use the bathroom.
>> He's going to use the bathroom. I said
it. You either go to use the bathroom or
you can't handle the truth. He's going
to use the bathroom.
>> 1966
independence under an elected democratic
elected government. I ain't going to say
history.
1968
right through 1985 electoral
malpractices that kept a government
illegally in office in this country and
took this country downhill. You heard it
from the previous presenter
at the end. By the time we took office
in 1992,
we were among the three poorest
countries in Latin America and the
Caribbean.
>> You had Bolivia above us. Then you had
Guyana and then you had Haiti.
>> Comrades
and I know my dear friend Dr. David
Hines, Professor Hines,
>> previously known as David Osborne before
he earned his doctorate.
You know, I want to take you down memory
lane
>> because you choose
in your earlier life to be a member of
the WPA,
the Working People Alliance and you
sitting next to people
whose leader that they glorify by
calling his name just now referred to
your group as the worst possible
alternative.
>> You remember that?
>> Worst possible. Are you comfortable
sitting next to them?
>> As a little boy in London,
>> when I was going to school, I had to
cross the river in the boat. Sha Solomon
don't know nobody. He didn't bar yet. He
didn't bar yet. He bar after
>> and when you cross from when you cross
from the western side to the eastern
side behind the bus terminal
>> written there was reactionaries beware.
64,
>> the PNC will fight fire with fire
>> and steel with steel.
>> And I kept reading that every time I
come over. And I decided to do further
readings.
>> And I saw that they also had other
slogans aimed at the WPA because the WPA
was a pain in that side of the anatomy
that I will not mention in this house
>> of the PNC. the history.
>> You were advised to sign your wills. Yes
or no?
>> Dr. Hines, you were collectively advised
to sign your wills.
>> Let it sink in a little bit. They will
understand. Don't worry, hecklers.
>> Don't worry, hecklers.
>> They should keep quiet and understand.
>> Fight steel with highly tempered steel.
No holes barred.
>> That is what you as a young activist in
the WPA.
>> You had to
you had to dance between the raindrops
because if any drops fell on you, you
would not have been here at us.
You would have suffered the same fate
>> like your fellow members
>> who was left lying in the prominard
gardens with the weapons next to them.
Do you remember that Dr. Hines? Give me
a nod if you remember.
>> Give me a nod if you remember.
>> Give me revolutionary.
>> So they were revolutionary too.
>> They were revolutionaries too.
You're a revolutionary, but you're on
the wrong side of the house.
>> Joshua Rami, you name him.
>> And for the young people here, don't let
them fool you.
>> You read about Venezuela.
>> It happened in Guyana, too.
>> I was a youngster going to school and I
had to fetch water. Dale talk about
fetch your water.
I had to fetch water.
>> And my friends, we had no gas stove, no
kerosene stove. They had to gather wood
and coals. So we had a PNC government
>> that relegated us in a biblical sense to
the fetchers of waters and heers of
wood.
>> That's what the PNC did to us.
fetchers of waters and viewers of wood.
>> When you go into the supermarket
>> and I used to go to a supermarket in
Lyndon known as the co-op crescent
supermarket used to be run by the
government. Let me talk. Let me talk.
Let me talk.
>> Don't Don't try to Don't try to
>> Don't try to shout me out.
There was nothing in the supermarket
beyond rice and sugar. Obviously
>> because it was grown in Gyana.
Whenever they bring the supply of the
other stuff, you had to line up and it
was rationed to you. And as a little
boy,
>> we like to play with names and
abbreviation.
So, LFSB
as little boys, LFSB meant lynen
forborn, but as little boys, our lived
experience
caused us
>> to see LFSB
and we said it as little boys because we
were innocent.
>> Line up for soap and butter.
>> That's what we did as little boys.
line up for soap and butter.
>> Wow.
>> That happened in this country.
>> People had scor
another name.
>> People had ricketetts scor.
And after day two, when you pull it, so
there some long slime
berry berry, you can't stand up
properly.
White belt.
>> Are you coming telling us
>> for people starving?
>> Fast forward
>> to another time
>> because you all benefited from the
democratic dividend that was ushered in
in the 1992 elections. and you were able
to win an election in n in 2015 and you
run this country from 2015 to 2020. We
fast forwarding now.
>> But before we go to fast forward, I talk
about the supermarkets.
>> They had and you know they had this way
like many socialist countries of finding
some
>> peculiar names
>> peculiar names for enterprises.
Mr. Hines. Professor Hines, do you know
or can you remember the knowledge
sharing institute?
>> Yes, sir.
>> Can you remember the knowledge sharing?
Am I lying?
>> KSI. They used to sell fish
>> and the other member talk about
corruption.
When you go there, you had to beg the
guy who selling not to give your basher
only.
Throw in some bangamary. Throw in some
butterfish.
I am saying this because I want
everybody here and the whole of Guyana
to understand what took place in this
country under the PNC
>> 19. It started in 1968
>> and it continued until we took office in
1992.
Comrades,
>> I'm telling you this because
those those who forget the past are
condemned to repeat it.
>> And many people many people enjoy the
democracy in this country. They enjoy
the social and economic gains in this
country from 1992 to 2015.
in fact of 2011. So they get complacent
and they decided to vote for y'all in
y'all took them right back
>> like the proverbial swine who returned
to wallow in the marrier. Y'all took
this whole country right back
to what obtained go back to
>> what obtained in 1968 1985.
>> Fast forward to 2020
in the army.
>> I did everything in the army including
leading the army.
>> Including being the head of the army.
>> You had to be talented to be selected as
the head of the army.
>> Unlike you.
2020
>> 2020
>> we went to an election.
>> The people said clearly with their votes
that we don't want you.
>> We give you 5 years and you failed
>> and you held on to office
>> for 5 months.
We recounted the votes
>> and what we knew
>> on closer business
>> on the 3rd of March 2020
>> was finally declared as the official
results of that election. The PPPC was
returned to government.
The PPPC returned to government at a
time when people were starving again as
a result of an APNU
clouded
changing the name. What is PNC?
>> AFC government.
>> The people were starving. We had CO.
>> Talk about
>> we had CO and we had the worst
the worst
>> spit
>> of management. Yes.
>> In fact, it was a high level of
mismanagement
>> in this country at that time.
>> You were trying to hold on to
government.
>> You were filling your pockets.
You were spending without any budget
that was legally authorized by this
house
>> because you could not have come to the
house. You could not have come to the
house,
>> right? because you should have held the
elections after the no confidence
motion. You held on to power and this
country went down.
>> All the markets were closed. You close
the markets. You close the supermarkets.
People were in their homes.
>> Then you know what?
>> You know what? You continue to fool the
people. The honorable member Sarabu talk
about a hospital that was leaking. You
took a hotel and you said you're going
to convert it to an infectious disease
hospital.
>> You had inherit what?
>> You had a commissioning activity and the
media's there. You could ask them after
they had the ceremony. They cut the
ribbon and they asked for a tour of the
facilities. You said no. No tour because
nothing was in there.
>> Nothing was in there.
>> We assumed
office on the 2nd of August
2020
and in less than 3 months
>> Dr. Frank Anthony and his staff had that
hotel
that that hotel converted to a hospital
up and running with gas with specialist
with dedication and saving lives.
That's what we did for these people of
Guyana. And that's why I'm saying
do not
forget the past
because you're condemned to repeat it or
to endure it. If you elect people,
you forget the past and reelect people,
you're condemned.
Mr. Speaker
>> at the end of 2025 elections
>> 109,000
>> and 66
>> D voted for win
>> 77,998
>> D voted
>> for the remnants
>> AP and UFC
>> remnants win got 16 seats
>> AP and you got 12
>> and the left left.
>> The person who got the largest among the
leftovers got a seat.
>> And you know what?
We got 242,498
votes.
But
>> we made a promise to the people in our
manifesto.
>> We made a promise to the people in our
manifesto
that when the PPPC is in government,
>> we manage
for the improvement of all the people.
We don't care who you voted for.
>> We don't care who you voted for.
We manage for all the people
>> in the government.
>> Comrade, listen and learn.
If you're disabled,
>> if you're old,
>> if you're young,
>> if you're unemployed,
>> if you're undermployed,
a waste,
>> if you're a business owner,
>> if you're a woman, you're a child.
>> There is something in this budget for
all of you.
>> All of you.
>> Comrades. from 83 billion to 12 billion.
>> That is not important.
>> What is important is that you are on the
other side of the house
>> and we will ensure that you don't starve
because we'll ensure nobody in this
country starve and that's why we have
the measures in that budget. Read it and
read it again and again and again until
you understand it. And when you
understand it and you start believing it
and see it being unfolded around you and
start benefiting from all the programs
and all the projects by 20 30 20
>> you will be you will be voting for us on
this side of the house.
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> this budget is about putting people
force
budget,000
>> comrade
when you finish I will continue on the
budget from
>> Mr. Speaker
>> given the given the above context.
>> It is now my honor
>> to demonstrate
>> the developments and achievements across
>> the core programat programmatic areas
that fall under the opaces of the office
of the prime minister and how they play
into that vision.
>> Power generation.
You failed this country at power
generation.
>> You had no vision.
>> No vision.
>> And there was no growth.
>> So you sat on what you were generating
>> and you felt
>> that that was enough for Guyana.
>> But after dealing with CO and setting
this country on a sound footing for
economic takeoff, that's a new term.
Check it out. for economic takeoff
>> significantly
>> for economic takeoff.
>> We have seen
>> tremendous growth in the demand for
power in our country and we had to plan
for it in the short, medium and long
term. Something that you failed to do.
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> power generation sit at the center of
our development agenda
>> because it underpins productivity,
competitiveness,
and quality of life.
Our approach, Mr. speaker combines
investment in renewable energy with
transformational projects such as the
gas to energy project to deliver
affordable,
>> reliable
and accessible electricity to all gy,
>> Mr.
This is directly aligned with our
commitment to advancing the global
goal of universal access to modern
energy while reducing costs,
strengthening energy security and
supporting sustainable
economic expansion.
>> I write to myself,
>> Mr. Speaker, the gas to energy project
remains
the most consequential investment
undertaken by this government
>> and is aimed to transform Guyana's
economic foundation
>> in 2025.
>> The program move firmly from planning
into large scale execution
>> at Wales. Phase one construction
advanced materially
>> under the EPC
>> and that is the engineering procurement
and construction works program.
Approximately 6 to 7% of foundation
piling was completed to date.
>> More than 3,000 cubic meters of
structural concrete were poured.
All four turbines were transported and
positioned on their foundations.
>> Mr. Speaker, six power transformers are
now in place at Wales and the structural
foundations for the four heat recovery
steam generators were completed.
>> This Mr. Mr. speaker is a transformative
project
>> that will take Guyana
>> into the future. We will have
electricity from that project in the
last quarter
>> of 2026.
>> 2026
>> reliable and low cost electricity
>> enabling heavy manufacturing
>> anchoring Wales development zone
>> and it will attract local and foreign
investors
>> that Mr. speaker will have a tremendous
industrial and economic impact here in
Guyana.
More stable electricity supply. That's
how it will affect you.
>> Lower energy costs over time.
>> New job skills,
>> new jobs and skills training,
stronger local industries, more
affordable food
>> and goods.
>> As part of the project, Phase one, we
have phase two and phase two
will see an advancement in terms of the
procurement process this year.
>> But definitely it is on target for
completion by 2030.
And phase two, we will have the
fertilizer plant which will lower food
cost in Guyana. A gas bottling plant. I
trust your word.
>> Low cost of cooking gas in Guyana.
>> A glass for the construction and export
of G of of glass from Guyana.
>> Data center important for us here in
Guyana will be established
>> to support our digital economy
>> and the NGL export
>> for revenue
>> generation.
>> Mr. Speaker,
Comrade,
>> just listen and learn.
>> Listen and learn.
>> Mr. Speaker, over the past 5 years,
>> the gas the Guyana Energy Agency has
played a central role in advancing our
government's commitment to affordable,
reliable, and renewable energy,
particularly
for Hinterland and Riverin communities.
Between 2020 and 2025,
>> this information,
>> we have invested as a government $25.4
billion in renewable energy
interventions
>> over that period. We've installed
renewable energy
in many
locations of Guyana and we've expanded
the capacity from 5.35 megawatt to 37.23
23 megawatt.
>> While more than 4,500
jobs were created across construction,
installation, operations, and
maintenance
>> 2026.
We will install 21 new solar photovolta
mini grids in Guyana.
>> We will upgrade 11.
>> Coming to you. coming to you. We will
upgrade 11 solar to voltax PV mini grids
>> in Guyana. We will construct a 3
megawatt solar PV plant at the Cheddon
International Airport.
And we have a project that is ongoing
with the World Bank where we will
implement
Caribbean efficient and green energy
building projects putting solar PV
system on over 250
buildings here in Guyana.
Honorable PM, I'm
>> I have the authority to give you five
minutes to wrap up.
>> PM, take an hour of my time.
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> take an hour of my time here
with the speaker's permission.
>> Mr. Speaker,
this upgrade
of an installation of solar PV systems
will benefit many of our hintterland
communities. Over 12,300
persons will benefit and villages like
Barameita, Cibby,
Caraburi, Quibbana, Akawini, Yarakita,
St. Monaco and Waka Pauo Oral and
Searuta
and Karau all will benefit from these
projects.
>> Listen, listen, pay attention. Pay
attention.
>> The 21 new solar PV mini grids will be
installed in regions 1 3 4 7 8 9 and 10.
>> And Mr. Mr. Speaker, I want to add
that at Lynen,
we are constructing a 15 megawatt solar
PV farm for the people of Lynden
and we have been able
to encourage
a private sector investment
from
Bosai
who will also construct a 10 megawatt
PV
farm in Lynden. Lynen will get a combine
of 25 megawatt of renewable energy by
the end of 2026.
>> Excellent. Excellent.
>> More than any other tongue, more than
any other region in Guyana.
That is what will happen to Lynen.
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> they like to talk about NDMA
and Wifi and what they did.
>> My lived experience, Mr. Speaker.
>> My lived experience.
>> Honorable member over there, I'm using
your tour. my lived experience
prior to 2020 when I was campaigning in
the hinterland.
Every location I went to,
>> I asked a simple question. Are you
connected to the internet? They said,
"Oh, we got a Wi-Fi
and I tried to connect.
I spend on the average of two hours
holding political meetings
and visiting people. And when I'm ready
to leave, I check my phone again. It
still has connecting, connecting,
connecting, connecting.
Today,
today,
253
villages in the hinterland of our
country, 100% connected villages and
satellite villages. go to any one of
them and go to the ICT hut or go to
where the Wi-Fi gy is and you will get
on the internet
>> thanks to the PPPC government.
>> That's what we did.
>> I don't have the time to give all the
details as to how we did it. However,
Mr. Speaker, 96%
of all our schools
are now connected to Wi-Fi GY. In 2020,
23% was connected. Today, 96% connected.
Mr. Speaker, in 2020, 10% of our health
centers and hospitals were connected to
the internet. Today, 88% are connected.
Mr. Speaker, 7% of our police stations
were connected in 2020. Today 69% of our
police stations and all our stations in
the hintterland are connected. Mr.
Speaker,
>> our prison
>> and no surprise 100% connection.
>> You had about 60% 100 our fire stations
100% connected.
>> Mr. Speaker, this is progress and this
is what the people of Guyana has been
looking forward to a long time and
they've enjoyed and benefit from 5 years
of progress 2020 to 2025 and it's no
surprise that they elected us with a
greater majority because they're looking
forward with great expectations for
another five years of development which
we will deliver. This is just the first
installment.
This is just the first installment of
the second phase of development for the
people of Guyana.
>> Mr. Speaker, everybody else,
>> we recognize that we could build all the
infrastructure,
but if we are to move forward into this
information age, we have to spend time
and money on training our people. And we
have established
an industry and innovation unit out of
the office of the prime minister. And
that unit will be busy again this year
>> training
>> training our people not only on the
coastland but in the hentterland.
Training our public servants.
Training the trainers who when they come
they will go back to their villages and
train the people in their villages. We
are spending more money doing that
training. We're spending more money on
competitions because we recognize that
in this digitalized world, we have to
build the capacity. We have to spend
money on upskilling our people. Another
important project before I go, Mr.
Speaker,
there was a project known as Hinterland
Pool and remote communities ICT
connectivity project
>> that was set up quite rightly said by
Mr. Sharma. It was set up by the APNU
AFC government. I assume office on the
2nd on the 2nd of August and I called
the project leader and I asked him some
questions
and he keep avoiding me and I decided I
want to do a field visit.
>> Let's go and see the equipment.
>> What did you find?
>> I find several containers parked in a
hotel on the east bank with the
equipment.
>> What?
And then when I tell him to open those
containers overnight he moved it. He
converted a supermarket in diamond to a
storage one for the equipment.
>> Mr. Speaker, we arrested that situation.
>> We restaff that facility and that unit.
And today I want to repeat I want to
report to this house that we have
constructed
172
172 ICT huts throughout the hintterland
and the coastal and riverin areas of
Guyana. We have another 18 under
construction and by the end of this year
we will satisfy the requirement for that
project with the final construction and
commissioning of all 200 ICT huts
and we have trained over 2,000
>> young people
not so young people
>> to manage those hs
>> to deal with the repairs for those hot.
Mr. Speaker,
Mr. Speaker, they don't want me to talk.
>> They don't want you to talk.
>> They don't want to hear progression.
>> But Mr. Speaker, I'm thankful for the
time you're giving me
>> to finish. And I want to say this, Mr.
Speaker, the digital identity card
>> with no legislation
>> is up and running. It is issued under
the authority of the digital identity
identity card act number 19 of 2023. You
just said no legislation. You just said
no legislation. While we have adopted
While we have adopted a phase approach,
listen and learn. While we have adopted
a phase approach to implementation,
let me be clear, Mr. Mr. Speaker, this
process is governed by law.
>> The current pilot phase is strictly
voluntary.
>> Mr. Duncan, strictly voluntary,
>> ensuring no citizen is compelled before
the full commencement of the act.
Additionally, Mr. Speaker, it is
appropriate to note that the data being
captured is that which has already been
legally provided to other state
registries, GRA, GRO and immigration.
This is simply a consolidation
of existing legal records into a more
secure format. Furthermore, Mr. Speaker,
with the appointment of the data
protection commissioner on January the
2nd, we have established the independent
oversight necessary to ensure that every
bite of data collected meets the highest
international standards of privacy and
security. And very soon, very shortly, I
will issue the commencement order.
Honorable,
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> disaster management and disaster
preparedness
is important for any country. If you're
talking about development, you have to
plan for disasters because a disaster or
a complex emergency that you have to
deal with disrupts the development
process. And Mr. Speaker, as the
minister responsible for disaster
preparedness, I am thankful for this
budget that will provide $73 billion to
ensure all of us are safe in Guyana and
to ensure we have the early warning and
all the contingency plans in place to
secure a Guyana that is developing and
transforming
at an accelerated rate.
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> you know,
>> I would like again to commend
Dr.
Ashdi Kumar Singh,
>> the director of budget, Miss Sonia
Rukdat, and all the hardworking staff of
the Ministry of Finance for another
stellar performance
>> in crafting and delivering
a budget
>> of 2026
that put the people force in this
country. that put all the people first
in this country.
>> The people who voted for the opposition,
the people who voted this government in
the office, the people who refused to
vote or for some reason could not have
voted.
All the people in Guyana will benefit
from this budget
putting the people force aptly named.
Mr. Speaker, thank you for indulging me.
>> Excellent.
>> Beyond the time, I have more information
that I will gladly impart to the
honorable members. They're very
receptive. Please decide the larger of
the the opposition. They're very
receptive to to what I'm saying and uh
but I have to leave now. Next week we
have the estimates and you could come
with some questions.
>> Lyndon will continue to develop without
you.
>> Thank you, honorable prime minister.
million. Thank you very very much.
The next speaker
the next speaker
his excellency Dr. Bar Jagio
his excellency Dr. Bar Jack deal
Gail.
>> Mr. Mr. Speaker, I'm advised that the
vice president will not uh speak will
not be here yet to speak. So I believe
his time can go to the additional time
go to the minister of finance when he's
closing.
>> Thank you Minister Tira. Honorable uh
just before we start
as last we gave a message to a young
lady. She's not three violations. She
Chill.
Wait,
this
Good.
>> Respect the boss here.
Honorable members, our next speaker is
the honorable leader of the opposition,
the honorable member, Mr. Ashudin
Muhammad.
>> Honorable leader of the opposition,
>> your time will start now.
>> Mr. Speaker, I rise as the leader of the
newest political movement. We invest in
nationhood which was established on
Independence Day of 2025
and in a mere 3 months was able to
disrupt the political landscape of
Guyana
despite the name calling sanctioned man,
gold smuggler, international fugitive.
Despite the delay,
>> resistance and every effort
>> to keep me out, I am standing tall and
strong.
>> And as the youngest leader of the
opposition
because over 109,000 voters believe in
me and my MPs,
>> they chose
>> hope over fear
>> and gave win a chance.
Right.
>> I thank our supporters who therein
bestowed on me this opportunity to
scrutinize the largest budget ever in
the history of Guyana, putting people
last. Yes.
And in this vein, I want to remind the
members on the oppos opposite side that
Guyana's parliament does not belong to
you. It belongs to the people.
Mr. Honorable Nandal, I want you to let
the nation know about the extradition
request.
The extradition request that came here
on the 26th of November,
>> that is transparency and accountability.
>> That is transparency and accountability.
There is an extradition request since
November and up to now
>> up to now we cannot charge we cannot
charge and bring these persons.
>> I hope you in trouble them law books
over there now.
>> I hope you in trouble those law books
over there.
>> Right, let I want you to know that you
could never be a presidential candidate
for the PBP.
>> Never.
>> Today in this honorable house, I am
conscious of the weight of the moment,
>> conscious of the expectations
of the GY people and conscious of the
responsibility that comes in responding
to a national budget of this magnitude.
Let me from the onset say thank you to
the hardworking public servants of the
different ministries.
>> Although nothing is in the budget for
the public servants. Absolutely nothing.
>> Even your guards out there.
>> Even your guards out there. No increase
for them.
>> That is the heart you got for the G
people. Honorable Nandal.
Read the budget. Read the budget.
>> Of course, I know the numbers more than
you.
>> I want to know how much is in the budget
to pay all the lawyers,
>> the prosecution team.
>> We need to know that.
>> Concerning the sanctions. Concerning
the sanctions, the PPP influenced the
sanctions.
>> Before the sanctions,
>> before the sanctions,
>> before the sanctions, no, the country
must know.
>> I want to answer this. The country must
know before the sanctions, your leaders
told me that if I don't release a
statement that I won't be running for
office, things going to happen. And
indeed, it happened.
Wing.
>> We need justice for crummy wing. What
about justice for crummy wing?
>> Mr. Speaker, let me make this clear. The
size of the budget does not impress us
on this side.
>> Not at all.
>> Does not impress us.
>> Perhaps the honorable member Ashi Singh
can draw comparisons to the nation and
size versus substance. Julius
>> and while he can present for 20 minutes
short of seven hours this much he won't
be able to do
>> right
>> because this budget lacks substance
>> putting people last
>> this week I listened to PPP members
heavily focus on personal attacks
>> on opposition members
>> and very little on their respective
portfolios again. Say it again.
Say it again.
>> The government presents this budget with
much pride and chatter
>> about its size.
>> You're right. We I think we getting a
lot of headache under this government.
>> A lot of headache under this government.
>> All week speakers from the government
boast about their 1 trillion $558
billion budget. Yes,
>> with assurance to the nation that the
budget is financed entirely with no new
taxes.
>> Right.
>> But I want to caution those honorable
members who are out of touch with the
realities of the ordinary citizens
>> that size
>> is not a measure of success. This year's
budget represents a 12.7%
increase from last year's budget and is
five times larger than the PBP's first
national budget in 2021.
>> Exactly.
>> Every year they come to this house with
historic groundbreaking numbers.
>> But where is this money going, Mr.
Speaker?
>> Right.
>> And who really benefits?
>> To Florida.
money in Florida.
>> A budget should be judged not by how
much is spent,
>> but how smartly it is spent
>> and how the people benefited.
>> Right.
>> Mr. Speaker, the first duty of this
house is to therefore look behind the
glossy
>> catchy headlines and ask tough
questions.
Who are the revenue streams carrying?
>> All right.
>> In this unprecedented level of
expenditure,
>> how much of this budget flows from oil
revenue?
>> A responsible nation plan must be built
on stable foundations,
not hope that the world market will
always be kind to Guyana.
Mr. Speaker, honorable Ashley Singh told
this noble house that the economy is
projected to grow 16.2% overall
>> and the non oil economy will expand by
10.8%.
>> These are impressive numbers. They look
good on paper,
>> but they do not help a mother who stands
in the market
>> and finds that the salary she earned
this month buys less than it did
>> last month. Ask me how I know. Honorable
members, it is because I have been on
the ground,
>> right? I have traveled the length and
breadth of this country
>> and I have reached into my own pockets
on numerous occasions to help many
people when the government failed them.
Oh my
>> fantastic.
>> Honorable Gail Tashiro.
>> Mhm.
>> You're present,
>> right? Why are you finding out about my
the little $298,770
monthly?
>> I had a lot of I had a lot of respect
for you, honorable Tisher.
>> Right.
>> But don't worry, every month I will
donate some money to you for cigarettes.
Don't worry.
You can see nobody disrespectfulness.
>> I listen to your speech.
>> How you can lie and say,
>> right?
>> Sorry, you can't use those words.
>> Mr. Speaker, did I hear a word that's
unpolarament?
>> Dishonest.
>> Withdraw. I withdraw that.
>> You better have. Thank you.
>> Yes.
>> You mentioned 98%.
>> Honorable member. Uh both words are on
parliamentary but more particularly for
me is the imputation
guided guided
>> you mentioned 98% of Gian
>> receiving water portable water
98%
is that true
continue sir. Don't let the pedophiles
distract me.
>> No one can distract me.
>> I went through the worst under the
people's progressive party
>> and that is why I will ensure
>> by the blessings of almighty god I work
every single day for the people of this
country for the voiceless
the oppressed
to get you out of power 2031.
Yes,
>> so I ask are these projections realistic
for ordinary citizens facing high cost
of living at a time when the recent IDB
stats I know you don't like to hear the
stats
>> 58%
58% of GE living in poverty and 32% in
object poverty Right.
>> Where in these figures do we see
betterment for the single parent,
>> the teacher,
>> the king cutters,
>> the fisherman,
>> the pensioner,
>> our indigenous people.
>> The honorable Sarah Brown is here.
Please do better for the indigenous
people.
>> Yes.
>> Please do better for them.
>> Because we will be on your backs every
day to ensure that you better the lives
of the indigenous people.
>> Growth that is felt only in boardrooms
and government reports is not growth.
Those connected to the PPP are the only
ones seemingly happy.
>> And even they are tired of the
dishonesty.
>> They are in my inbox complaining every
day.
>> Every day they're giving me information
as it relates to corruption.
>> Corruption.
>> Corruption.
>> Corruption.
>> Corruption.
>> Our priority should be the poor people.
that the rich can handle.
>> Our priority should be the poor people
in this country.
>> We're going to address that very soon,
very shortly.
>> We're going to address that very soon,
very shortly.
>> If the PPP
was so keen,
>> as it relates to this $191 billion, they
are claiming taxes.
Why they drop the charges?
>> Why did they drop the charges?
>> Honorable Kwami
back in 2018
when I used to bankroll the PPP. Your
leader told me don't leave the the money
withwami.
He told me don't leave the money with
honorable me.
>> Mr. Speaker, the government wants the
nation to believe that because the
budget is the largest in our history, it
will automatically produce the best
outcomes.
>> But bigger budgets
>> do not equal better lives. Right?
>> Ask the farmers, the youths, or better
yet, speak to the auxiliary staff in the
ministries.
>> A family can double its spending and
still fall deeper into debt
>> if priorities are wrong.
>> A country can triple its expenditure and
still leave its people struggling if
those monies are not properly spent.
Do the salaries of our frontline workers
and public servants increase relative to
the rising cost of living?
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> I wish to go back to standing.
>> Honorable member M. Shashira.
>> Yes. Thank you, sir. Uh 386.
A member shall not read his or her
speech except with the leave of the
speaker, but he or she may read excerpts
from books or papers in support of his
or her argument and may refresh his or
her memory by reference to news. Mr.
Speaker, I'm asking for you. This has
been raised several times in the House.
I'm raising it again. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Minister.
Honorable leader of the opposition, you
heard the uh point that the honorable
>> minister raise continue.
>> Thank you, sir.
>> I saw
I saw the high flip man in bellies
reading his speech.
I saw him reading his speech.
>> Honly the opposition, I think everyone
know who you're trying to talk about.
Please, please.
>> Okay.
We must ask ourselves, Mr. Speaker, how
callous are the members on the opposite
side of the house?
>> To stand boldfaced in this chamber and
present the biggest budget in the
history of this country, while more than
half of Guyana lives in poverty.
>> Amen. And there is still and there is
little to nothing to cushion the cost of
living or to ensure that the people of
this country can live better lives.
>> If parents must still choose between
medicine and school supplies,
>> then the size of this budget is an empty
boast.
>> Right.
>> Mr. Speaker, as Nelson Mandela reminded
the world, a nation should not be judged
by how it treats its highest citizens
but its lowest ones. Right.
Let that be the standard by which this
budget and the PPP government are
judged. The opposition does not oppose
development.
>> Mr. Speaker, 386. Again, the honorable
member is making no attempt to not read
his speech. He's a politician who has
won elections. He said that he won
109,000 votes. Mr. Speaker,
democracy.
>> Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker, just give me a
second, please. 386 says, "A member
shall not read him.
Honorable Chief Whip for the opposition,
I think I'm well well
>> and while I might be the slowest person
in the room,
>> I I won't I don't I wouldn't mind some
lessons from you in interpretation.
>> Lady the opposition.
>> Thank you.
>> And let me remind the members of this
assembly that everybody had a forest
time.
>> Honorable to Sher who rose and stand in
order 386 during our first speaker's
presentation. Mr.
>> Parliament
>> even she had a first time.
>> Mr. Speaker, you stood in this house
once.
>> I want to remind the honorable members
he said he's new on the job. He's a new
kid in the block that under Derek Jagen
as speaker of the house we were not
allowed to read our speeches. Honorable
Honorable Minister Tisher, we you and I
know the rules well.
>> Honorable leader of the opposition. You
were speaking about the speaker's first
experience.
>> No, sir.
>> You were saying about my first
experience.
>> No. What I mentioned is even you had a
first time. We all had a first time.
>> Except my first time I think I ad
>> very nice. I like that.
>> Yes.
>> I like that.
>> Mr. Speaker, permit me a brief personal
reflection.
six-year-old Stacy Ross and her two
teenage sons from
Mo
were promised assistance
from the very members right in here.
>> Three honorable members promised to
assist her building a home.
>> She waited for months.
She's differently able and I'm happy to
know that I delivered
>> and build a house for her.
>> Although
although we have $900 million in the
budget for the men and mission program,
>> we got to ensure that these monies are
spent to uplift the lives of the people.
Someone take note take note
continue.
>> That said, when I stand in this
assembly, understand that I'm not here
to criticize without solutions. I am
force a humanitarian before I'm a
politician.
>> I am first a humanitarian before a
politician.
I am not here for the position, the
title, the ranks,
>> to sit in the Land Cruisers,
>> right, to live the big boy lifestyle.
>> I lived it and I know of it.
>> I lived it and I know of it.
And it is from these real stories, Mr.
speaker from standing face to face with
real people and real hardships that I
can confidently say this budget does not
benefit the people.
>> What this budget is designed to do is to
have big numbers on paper and then in
dark rooms billions of dollars are
siphoned off for kickbacks.
Ax is axe zulfikar susan vicram or batty
lion
referring to them.
>> Yeah.
>> This is why every single day with the
strength of almighty god I will ensure
that we highlight expose and scrutinize
public spending.
>> We will pay attention to how taxpayers
dollars are spent. and come next
elections, you will be out of office.
>> Mr. Speaker, when the members on the
opposite side of the house announce
another historical budget, I hope that
this budget would have been a turning
point from dependence and poverty to
empowerment.
>> Right?
>> This is not putting people first. This
is putting people last.
>> On these fronts, this budget falls
short. Painfully,
>> painfully.
I listen today. Honorable Mark Phillips.
>> No, that was painful.
>> You're failing us big time with GPL.
>> Every day blackout.
>> Every day blackout.
>> Just in region six residents call and
say blackout while you were speaking.
>> Lucky them.
They spite 40 to something billion
dollars a year for the power ships
>> for the rental every month and the fuel
something billion dollars.
>> When those power ships decide to leave,
>> what happened?
>> Oh my god. We done.
>> We done.
>> You promised 50%
>> 50% slash in the light bills
>> for last year up to now.
>> No decrease in the light bill.
>> Right.
Another year,
>> honorable Vicram,
>> remember in 2020,
>> you talkless story because you get
excited when I hear about gold,
>> right? Excitement. Remember in 2020, you
didn't know how much penny weights make
an ounce.
>> Remember, you didn't even know the gold
price and how to find the price. But I
know there's a forest time for
everything, sir. I know there's a first
thing for everything.
>> How we know how we know about it?
>> This country,
>> right?
>> We get a lot a lot of reports
>> in Mudi,
>> right?
>> The name I think the name Rodrio,
>> you got to look into that. Honorable
Vicram,
>> right?
>> I know the name rings a bell to you.
>> Let's go.
Let's go. We doing this.
>> License gold dealership
>> for 2025
declines steeply by 21.5%.
>> 121,000 ounces.
>> But when
>> but when I was in the business,
>> the declarations were higher.
>> Where is the gold going? Honorable
Vikram,
>> where is the gold?
>> Where is the gold going?
>> An average an average of2 billion US
>> leaking out of our banking system
>> causing a heavy rate right now. If you
go to the banks,
>> if you go to any one of the banks, you
can't get us.
>> Don't listen to them.
>> And the honorable Ashi knows very well
what I'm speaking about. Right?
>> If you go to the banks
>> for 20,000 wire transfer, you got to
wait 2 three weeks.
>> Right?
>> But when I was in operation, the banks
would call me midnight to ensure they
get a couple million US for the next
day.
>> Right?
>> So that is why we are facing a heavy
increase as it relates to the cost of
living in Guyana. But they won't tell
the honorable members in here about this
or the people.
>> They won't mention this.
>> And this is affecting the people big
time in this country.
You don't worry about that, sir.
>> Tens of billions.
>> You mentioned spent on roads
>> and look at the condition of the roads.
>> I would highlight it every week.
>> All right.
>> But we know where the money going.
>> When the contractors receive their
payment,
>> they're not doing nothing. No job as it
relates to maintenance of the roads.
>> That is it. You continue, sir.
>> Elections time. They don't want the
truth.
>> Prior to the elections, you went and
meet all these small miners. You give
them engines. You give them tarpolins.
You give them pumps. And in the other
hand, you shut down all the small
miners.
>> Right?
>> But at the end of the day, the small
miners are the lifeline
>> and the backbone of this mining economy.
>> We need the small miners.
>> The gold price is $5,000 an ounce,
>> right? You check if two billion US
dollars are coming back to the system.
>> Y'all withdraw $2.4 billion US dollars
from the NRF. Just imagine two billion
US dollars leaking out the system and
you guys are turning a blind eye.
>> Right.
>> God help poor people.
>> I know very well about the gold
business.
>> Exactly. Exactly.
>> And from 2015 to 2020,
>> right? From 2015 to 2020, the PBP
benefited the most from my business.
I could recall a story
>> back in 2019 2020.
A senior person on this side in
government
call me
>> and they mention
>> I want you to release a statement that
you're not providing security for the
big boys in the PPP. I said I can't do
that.
>> I said I can't do that. that that man is
my brother and I won't do that.
>> Do you know that the APNU never
victimized me for that? Although they
were in power,
>> never victimized me for that.
>> And I told them straight
>> I told them straight that man is my
brother. I assisted both parties as a
businessman but I cannot do that. All
right,
>> honorable members on this side
victimizing everyone that is supporting
the wind party.
>> Look, just recently on the highway,
>> just recently on the highway, a lady
went for a a house a house lot Julius
>> and they told her that she's a wind
supporter. She cannot get it. But I want
to thank um
>> the honorable Colin Cole. I think he
looked into the matter and everything
was sorted
>> right.
>> Yes.
>> That is it.
>> Was your friend sir? Your friend,
>> right?
>> Mr. McCoy, please have some decorum in
this house.
>> What is the heavy hatred about?
>> Let's go. Let's go.
>> Honorable Vicram, I would like you to
make lands available for the small
miners,
>> viable lands.
>> Ensure you focus on the small miners.
>> Huh?
>> You seize all the lands,
>> right?
>> Tell the people you seize all my mining
lands,
>> right?
>> You seize all the mining lands.
>> The gunmen are terrorizing the small
gold miners.
>> We got to ensure
The minister, honorable Onich, we need
to put systems in place as it relates to
security
for our small miners.
ly that oil and gas are propelled
development. Oil and gas are a catalyst
for developing other sectors. Guyana
produces 920,000
barrels of oil every day.
Record numbers and more than half of the
country live in poverty.
>> We were told by the honorable minister
that the oil revenue is managed by
parliamentary oversight.
But how are we going to be parliamentary
oversight when you guys controlling
everything?
>> Is that transparency and accountability?
>> The minister claims oil revenues are
protected because parliament approves
withdrawals from the NRF.
>> But parliamentary
approval under a government with a
built-in majority is no oversight.
>> No oversight.
All right, let's go.
>> Real oversight requires transparent
audits
>> done by internationally recognized for
firms,
>> right?
>> Not reports filter through the same
government withdrawing and spending the
money like there's no tomorrow.
>> At present, the same executive that
requests the money controls the vote,
the agencies, and the reporting system.
That is my
>> Where is the transparency?
>> Honorable Tashira,
>> I had a we had one of the biggest
business in this country,
>> right? We're all the banks depending on
me for foreign currency and also your
party too. So have some respect.
I don't know what is this. What is the
problem with her?
>> Let's go. Let's go. Let's go.
>> Mr. Speaker, we are generating revenues
that previous generations could only
imagine.
>> Yet, this budget treats oil oil wealth
as routine income,
>> not as a transformational opportunity.
Win made it clear oil wealth must be
renegotiated, restructured and
redirected for across theboard national
benefit.
This budget does none of that. There is
no commitment to revisiting unfair
contracts. There is no clear strategy to
protect future generations from the
volatility of oil dependency.
>> Mr. Speaker, oil money spent without
reform is oil money wasted. And we see
that from the poor quality
infrastructure. This government is
heavily investing in new schools,
hospitals, and roads with alarming
structural defects mere months after
completion.
>> But we know why they like these big
infrastructural projects. We know why.
>> Oversight must be judged by outcomes. A
country earning billions should not have
communities begging for basic services.
the EITI that the honorable Vicramar
boast about at the end of the day there
is no transparency and accountability
there because all the records you have
to submit to the EITI
>> what's
>> the extractive industries extractive
sorry
>> yes
>> extractive industries transparency
institute
>> you learned something
Many resourceri countries are EITI
members and still suffer massive
exploitation
and Guyana must guard against such. The
minister boasted about transparency in
the oil and gas sector. But could the
minister tell us what the final cost of
the gas energy project is
>> and why they secretly settle a dispute
with a contractor without telling the
nation what that cost is?
Tell me
>> where is the report for the third audit
of Exxon Mobile
>> historical question
>> that audit reviewed over US 19.6 6
billion in expenses that Guyana must
pay.
>> Right.
>> Yet it is being hidden from Gian. Where
are the quarterly updates on the field
development plan?
>> Right.
>> The VP wants us to believe that the
reports were published. But when we
found out differently, he then said that
it doesn't need to be public
>> published public because the guy people
won't understand to read it. Hi.
>> But I know how to read it and I will
read it and analyze it for the gy
people.
>> The current system allows the government
to decide NRF withdrawals. The same
government to control information flow.
The same government appoints key
oversight officials. This concentration
of power is exactly what oil producing
nations are warning to avoid. Guyana
cannot risk repeating the resources.
Wealth for a select few and crumbs for
the majority of citizens.
>> Let me offer some solutions because they
are quick to say we criticize without
having any solutions.
>> Mr. Speaker, here is what real oversight
would look like for the approximately
3.25 25 billion USD sitting in the NRF
>> again.
>> Forensic audits published in full. A
truly independent NRF board with
opposition
>> with opposition of civil society
nominees.
>> Reestablish a petroleum unit with
specialists to provide oversight on the
FPS 24/7.
We want here but one man from natural
resource, a man from GR, one from the
Bureau of Standards.
>> We want a 247 service fully monitored.
>> Yes, sir.
>> Right.
>> Correct.
>> Additionally, many of the offshore
workers and the four FPSOs are being
unfairly treated.
>> Yes.
>> And if they dare speak up, they get
transferred or knocked off. Yet you
stand in this assembly to clap for
yourself under oversight you give to the
natural resources sector.
I love this.
>> The young PPP minister, the honorable
Koma,
who was ballsy enough to address wind
with disparaging remarks on bank
accounts right to speak
>> gloating in the victimization
of his master through prepared PPP
rhetoric.
Honorable, the same bank accounts.
The fellow members benefited so much
from them.
>> Mr. Speaker, the PPP ministers would be
happy to tell this assembly that
over,200 Gy businesses are covered by
the local content act. How much belongs
to those same PPP members?
>> The thing, man. Stand the thing, sir.
Stand the thing sir.
>> We got to see how much the shell
companies do.
>> Mr. Speaker, there are many gaps between
what was presented and the realities on
the ground.
>> All right.
>> Let us turn our attention to social
services.
>> Allow me to amplify the voice of my
colleague Honorable Natasha.
>> Mr. Speaker, this budget glorifies
social services as world class through
big spending without sensible reform. We
we propose in our manifesto an increase
in pensions, an increase in children's
cash grants, and modern and improved
hosts. We propose to build care homes,
special needs centers, and child care
facilities.
>> Not like the overpriced $94 million flat
building
>> at Anacrina, right?
>> But I'm happy since I visited there, the
building is finally open for the public.
big fanf fair, fancy headlines, ribbon
cutting ceremonies
before the elections. And yet that
building was there for months.
>> But our people, they are benefiting from
the building now.
>> Right. Thank God.
>> Let's go.
>> Yes sir.
>> Yeah. Because of it. Thank you.
>> Let's go.
>> They boast about having housing
programs. Well, housing must be treated
as an extension of good social services.
Housing and a livable wage are all
inseparable.
>> All right.
>> Housing without affordability cannot
provide shelter.
>> I could tell you a thing or two in this
regard. I have built many homes out of
my pocket.
>> Mr. Speaker, we the members of WIN
believe that this budget has plenty of
words and big numbers with heavy
misguided spending so that the elites on
Rob Street could get wealthier.
>> Against this backdrop, Mr. Speaker,
here's what a winning budget would have
done. Increase salaries for public
servants.
cut the cost of living by employing
several measures even if temporary while
we await the major projects to offer a
more fixed relief
>> measures like offering subsidies
>> on electricity. Honorable Phillips
on water across the board setting up
food banks even if it's to offer rice
flour oil and sugar to the poor and
needy. reducing fat
>> and starting a nationwide kitchen and
community garden project.
These are measures that should help one
to understand the plight of the people
and what is needed to ensure you put the
people first.
This and more could have been included
in this budget.
What we need to do, Mr. Speaker, is to
invest directly in people, not just
projects.
Many people still cannot afford food,
rent, transport, and utilities with
salaries alone. If a pensioner still
depends on family remittances or
informal work after an increase, that is
not major relief. It is survival
support.
>> In 2023, we had 73,000 pensioners.
And I'm using numbers presented to this
house by the honorable Ashnney Singh. In
2024, we had 76,000 pensioners, an
increase of 3,000.
And in 2025, just over 76,000
pensioners, no fixed number on the
increase, but in this year's budget,
Honorable Ash Singh said we have
approximately 95,000 pensioners. Where
did we find these new 19,000 pensioners?
Are we therefore implying that in the
year 1961
19,000 G were born?
>> Oh my.
>> Oh my.
>> One must question if these numbers are
accurate and where the money is going.
>> Right.
>> Can you live on the 46,000? Honorable
Phillips,
>> you said you're one of them.
>> Can you live on $46,000 a month, sir?
Yeah,
>> Mr. Speaker, while the PBP government
spent approximately 4.245
trillion from 2021 to 2025,
4 trill245
billion spent from 2021 to 2025. How did
it uplift the lives of the people?
>> Oh my god.
>> Pensioners received a pittance of
approximately $4,100 per year. And this
year the PBB comes to this house asking
us to support a mega 5,000 for our
pensioners.
>> Ridiculous.
>> That's ridiculous.
>> Is that putting people first?
>> Listen.
>> Listen. 5,000 is the increase.
>> 5,000.
>> Let's go.
>> $160.00.
I could recall
>> I could recall in Mashabo region 2 I
built a house for the oldest citizen
ever in this country 115 years of age
right when her family sent me the
pictures
how she used to live before
in deplorable inhumane conditions but
after all this is the uncaring
government we have to deal with the PPPC
See,
these are things that the PPP should
look into to better the lives of the
people of this country, especially our
centinarians.
I visited so much of recent and they all
complain that it's hard to survive on 4
to $1,000 a month.
>> What is required, Mr. Speaker, is a
different vision for Guyana. But some of
the honorable members are visionless.
This budget supports inequality. It
fuels frustration and it does not meet
our expectations. We on this side of the
house and thousands of win a new and
even PBP members refuse to support this
hardship. Guyana deserves a future where
prosperity is shared, not promised on if
the people behave well.
>> That's fire.
>> Not like the Eckles rally. If you behave
well, you're going to get this cash
grant.
of the country,
>> trick the entire country, but come 2031,
this not going to happen again.
Mr. Speaker, Guyana deserves a present
and future where dignity is guaranteed,
not negotiated. Mr. Speaker, the
interest of the members on this side of
the house is to serve the people, not to
lord over them,
>> but to serve them. And we will continue
to demand a budget that does the same.
There is little evidence that the 2025
social services measures provided any
transformation relief to citizens.
>> When I tell you, she
>> especially when you pay a visit to the
Palms or the Amarinian Hostel. I visited
so I know. Yes,
>> they act like the realities elude them.
Mr. Speaker, let the honorable members
address the declining birth rate in the
country.
>> Oh, wow.
>> Fewer women
>> are making babies in Guyana with 2025
recording the lowest birth rate in years
despite the introduction of the newborn
100,000 cash grant that takes months.
and their leader stood right here and
promised the mothers that they would
receive it before they leave the
hospital. I asked a few women why the
same song reverberates. The cost of
living is too high. You can't raise
children comfortably in this economy
with no proper social safety net.
Budget 2026 expanded spending in some
areas, but by how much? These social
services barely increased under the PPP
administration. Pension increased by a
mega 5,000. Wind proposed an increase in
pension to 100,000.
Public assistance went up from 22,000 to
25,000. WIN proposed an increase in
public assistance to 50,000.
From 2021 to 2025,
the PBP only increased public assistance
by $9,000.
>> Wow.
>> How can our differently abled people
survive?
>> Increases were not indexed against
inflation because they do not care. We
promised to reduce VAT from 14% to 10%.
Mr. Speaker, not only did we suggest a
meaningful reduction in VAT, but we also
propose a revision of the PAE and the
income tax thresholds to protect
worstinass families.
>> In our manifesto, we propose PA from 25%
to 20%. Right?
>> And the income tax threshold to 200,000.
But this uncaring government only
increased the income tax threshold to
$10,000 to 140.
>> Let's go.
>> Come on now. Let's go.
>> This uncaring government did not reduce
VAT. Right.
>> Instead of easing the burden on food,
utilities, school supplies, and
transportation, they remove VA on things
like new vehicles, hybrid SUVs, security
systems, jewelry, and high-end
furniture. Walk through our markets or
ask a normal man on the street. Speak
speak to
have some manners, please. Speak to
staff in your ministries and ask how
many of them can afford to buy new
vehicles,
>> upgrade their home,
>> right,
>> or buy jewelry.
>> These measures are more like gifts to
contractors and the rich than relief for
ordinary ges.
>> These tax measures favor luxury
purchases over daily necessities.
>> Mr. Speaker, you cannot claim to be
putting people first.
>> 386.
The honorable member is reading his
speech.
Thank you, Auntie.
>> Honorable member,
>> the campaign trail. You're going to hear
it. Don't worry.
>> On the campaign trail, you're going to
hear it.
>> You're going to hear it in the campaign
trail.
Our nearly 70,000 hardworking public
servants got nothing in this budget.
Absolutely nothing.
Not even a small salary increase, not a
bonus, nothing planned for them in this
year's biggest budget.
>> Right?
>> Nothing at all. On teachers day in 2025,
I can recall sitting in the botanical
gardens and the teachers complained
bitterly how hard it is to survive and
the pitons they're receiving.
>> Right.
Mr. Speaker, our public servants carry
this nation on their backs, but this
budget turns its back on them.
>> They come here and praise them with
words. Sell big dreams on the campaign
platform.
>> Sell big dreams on the campaign
platform.
>> Yes.
>> In turn,
>> they pay them with crumbs. This budget
brings no serious wage reform, no
consideration for rising food prices,
rent and transport, no answer to the
frustration in every ministry and every
police station. Wind's manifesto offered
a real solution. Structured wage
increases tied to productivity funded by
national growth and phased responsibly.
Because we understand this much. You
cannot demand first class service while
paying third class wages.
>> This budget forgets the working class.
But we will not. Mr. Speaker, after
infrastructure, which demands the
biggest portion of our budget, we have
education next demanding an allocation
of 183.6 billion.
Notwithstanding that in the last five
years from 2021 to 2025 we have expended
over 500 billion
over 500 billion to the Ministry of
Education
>> but in every region our schools have
plenty of problems. In every region we
have problems as it relates to our
schools.
Our education system is not properly
managed. The big C word we can't use
plagues the Ministry of Education.
>> And Mr. Speaker, I have highlighted and
assisted many schools with
inefficiencies in education.
>> My track record will show that act that
across nursery, primary and secondary
schools, I have reached into my own
pocket to assist students and teachers.
>> Mr. Speaker, again I raise 386. The
honorable member is making no attempt to
abide by the standing rules.
>> Honorable member, the standing rules,
the standing orders are quite clear
about reading.
>> So,
picking up the slack.
>> Picking up the slacks. Long before I was
elected leader of the opposition.
Honorable Paragon.
>> Honorable Parag, you need to ensure you
do better for our children.
28 years now the PPP in office and the
children of this country are forced to
use pit lines in schools. Bullying in
many of our schools across Guyana is
excessive. The school feeding program
needs a complete overhaul.
We have received so many complaints
about the meals and with the billion
spent to build these schools and dorms.
Many are way behind schedule and there
are visible structural defects within
months.
I urge the honorable parak to take a
walk up the road to the $700 million
rid dry weather school. Walk across on a
rainy day and you will see that the
school is leaking.
Another rush project. Another example of
mismanagement.
>> Honorable member, two things.
it. The honorable minister said the roof
was not leaking in this house. That a
tap was left on
and
>> that tap
that tap was left on between the roof
and the floor.
Right.
>> So to accuse
>> the honorable
minister of not doing anything about a
leaking roof is not accurate.
>> Guided sir.
>> And then the second thing is uh
>> look at the reading because it's obvious
from here.
>> Yes sir.
>> You don't have to read everything that
Chris
Our honorable members on the other side
of the house want to talk about putting
people first.
>> These are some of the issues you need to
address if you truly want to put our
people first.
>> Address bullying and blunt violence
among our students and even physical
assault. metal outer teachers. A senior
female teacher at Charity Secondary
School in region 2 was brutally
assaulted by a grade nine male student
on June on January the 22nd, 2026.
>> Address the unstable electricity supply
in schools at Kurukuru Nursery and
Blackwater Primary in the Bereimma
River.
>> Address the bat and pigeon infestation
in schools, namely the Zeberg Secondary
School and Port Kauma Nursery School.
All right.
All right.
>> Work on fixing schools of our dear
Amarinian children like the dangerous
dilapidated China nursery and primary
schools.
The Chinoing school.
Some schools in the hintterland that
should have dormitories are still
waiting to see them built. Though the
contracts were awarded awarded to
>> though they were awarded a lot of them
unfinished.
>> Oh my god.
>> Parents must send their children to live
with relatives or keep them home.
>> Teachers sharing beds at the home of
another teacher because the living
quarters they were given is not fit for
humans.
allocate more space for sports and
recreation for many of our schools that
are woefully lacking.
>> The because we care cash grant
>> $200,000
>> before the elections
>> in Lemm was promised
>> to the 206,000
children across this country. And now
you come to this honorable house
>> to give us $85,000.
>> To give us $85,000
>> $85,000. What happened? You promised
$200,000.
>> $200,000 you promised the children.
>> Mr. Speaker, as if enough mess was not
made at Ministry of Education,
>> they picked up this very member and put
her in a corner at local government. The
Ministry of Local Government is asking
us to spend 2 billion to upgrade
markets. But in 2025, the Ministry of
Local Government expenditure was 41.9
billion with over 2.7 billion approved
for upgrades to border and other
markets.
>> So, we must ask where is the money
going?
Mr. Speaker, the honorable prayer
>> is wrong and about the markets taking
pictures without addressing the issues.
>> It is like putting band-aid on a womb
>> that needs to be cleaned and dressed
properly.
>> I have visited both markets and they are
poorly maintained and remain the same.
>> Poorly maintained and remain the same.
We need to desilt the drains. We need to
ensure the washrooms are working.
>> Right?
>> The vagrants are taking over the market.
>> Right?
>> So these are the things we have to focus
on.
>> Drainage is a mess.
>> Drainage is a mess.
>> Drainage.
>> Last year billions were budgeted for
solid waste management. Yet garbage bins
were overflowing in the city.
>> This year again the big spender comes
for more billions.
Mr. Speaker, the PB cabinet is uncaring.
How a minister could try to convince us
that chocolates from humble beginnings
can have you buy houses abroad and build
mansions at home? The average chocolate
vendor would be lucky to get one of the
core homes they are building. And
according to the honorable member
Duncan, your bath towel is a wallto-wall
carpet in some of the homes they are
giving. But they do not care. I keep
saying their priorities are misaligned.
The honorable member can find time to
address me so often,
>> can find time so often to address me,
>> but can't sort the things out for the
common man on the road.
A city that looks neglected is not just
an aesthetic failure. It adversely
affects tourism. Tourism is built on
first impressions.
Visitors remember how a place looks when
a vlogger films overflowing garbage bins
and stagnant waste in downtown
Georgetown
>> and highlights it for an international
audience. That message becomes the image
of our country to millions of potential
visitors.
>> Infrastructure without cleanliness is
like building a showroom with broken
windows. But, Mr. Speaker, if we want to
put people first, we will redirect our
energies to ensuring the trillions we
are spending are spent wisely and people
in every sector are getting a part of
the pie.
>> Mr. Speaker, I choose to d the sad state
of public infrastructure in this country
as expensive incompetence. Mr. Speaker,
under public infrastructure, a whopping
196.1 billion has been earmarked to
expand and rehabilitate the country's
road and bridges.
>> The largest single transport
infrastructure component of the 2026
budget, another installment for the big
boys. When the government chooses to
hand out road and bridge contracts to
their friends and family instead of
awarding the contracts based on merit,
what we are left with is not quality
infrastructure. We are given
infrastructure that is unable to stand
up to the test of time.
This government touts a 2026 budget in
which over 50% reflects expenditure on
capital works boasting about providing
transformational infrastructure. World
class infrastructure. What world-class
infrastructure are we talking about? Is
it miles upon miles of road
infrastructure plagued by shoddy work
requiring massive repairs just a few
years after they were newly constructed?
Lyndon Tquani, our children can't go to
school. Kumaka to to Corbano. Honorable
Sarah Brown, please let your husband
look into this. I heard he's the
contractor.
Roads built today, break up tomorrow,
bridges built today. I just want to
interject about the standing order
people who are not here. I don't know
who is the contractor, but whoever is
the contractor, they're they're not in
this house.
>> Guided
>> poor planning, poor quality
infrastructure, poor outcomes, and the
sea. Well, Mr. Speaker, you b that word
from the parliament.
>> Mr. Speaker, this government's
incompetence is expensive, a burden that
our ordinary GY brothers and sisters are
forced to shoulder.
>> To the honorable Edgel, what you need to
do is simple. Allow the process of
awarding contracts at the tender board
to function as it should, transparently
so that qualified contractors and as far
as possible, local contractors get a
fair chance to qualify for these
projects.
Very soon, very shortly, we will address
the CEO of the tender board.
>> Playgrounds and recreational spaces,
>> Mr. Speaker, this assembly cannot ignore
the state of our nation's playgrounds
and recreational grounds
>> across Guyana.
>> Even recreational spaces for our
children and youth to go play gets named
among the big sea.
The honorable VP has repeatedly spoken
about the importance of recreational
centers and community grounds. Yet, they
are being sold to friends, families, and
favorites.
To this end, I l the efforts of my
colleague, Honorable Odessa Primers for
debunking the myths that all is well
over at the Ministry of Culture, Youth,
and Sports.
I highlighted so many problems with
community grounds, and the list keeps
getting longer. We have cows in these
community grounds.
>> Almost most of the community grounds in
this country.
>> Most of the community grounds in this
country. We got grass taller than me.
>> We need spaces for our children for for
the families in these communities to go
in the afternoon when they come home
from school to play a game of cricket, a
game of football.
Mr. Speaker, budget 2026 spends more,
but it does not do more. And that is why
we are seeing increased allocations,
which alone do not equal improved
outcomes. From 2021 to 2025, we have
expenditure of nearly 485 billion
dollars. Yet, we see that hospitals
without experience and adequate staffing
do not save lives.
Ask the family of the 22year-old Renisha
Niles who died at the state-of-the-art
Diamond Regional Hospital due to
shortage of oxygen tanks or Wendy
Wharton the mother who lost her baby
girl at said hospital or as the
surviving children and family of the 26
year old mother Latoya Griffith and her
baby who died
at a new Amsterdam hospital.
An honorable Frank Anthony
has the temerity to stand up in this
assembly and tell us healthc care has
improved where
>> some health related problems
>> 386 reading of speeches
>> delay in revoke the standing order
please sir
>> no answer
>> delayed payment
>> honor revel the opposition I don't know
who is saying read on but clearly that's
a big violation of the standing order I
urge you disin
>> delayed payment to staff especially to
our patient care assistance. Shortage of
nurses migrated in record numbers.
Timely turnover to get labs done. Rush
hospital projects.
Hoarding medication at the regional
offices in the hinterland. Mhm.
>> Vomit engineering
make
>> vomit engineering,
>> the new Amsterdam hospital project
>> and the maternity
and pediatric hospital right here at the
Ogle yet billions I'm showing the budget
here
>> but these facilities should have
finished long now.
>> Right. Right.
fix the problem.
>> I saw you commissioner ambulance boat in
region two and just the other day the
ambulance boat in water
>> at the super arms telling
>> 80 year old patient from region one on a
good trolley at the Ogal airport a
80year-old
>> I had to call the hospital
>> she was there at the airport for 1 hour
on a good trolley
>> and that is improve healthcare
>> expired cancer drugs at New Amsterdam
Hospital.
>> It was posted online all over it.
>> Cancer believe it.
>> Of course,
>> member posted up
>> and it was wrong.
>> Many health post and centers are not
equipped to store vaccines due to lack
of proper storage facilities.
>> Midway Care Center, you know about that
company, honorable friend,
>> huh?
The name sounds new to you. Midway Care
Center.
>> Midway Care Center. It sounds new to
you.
>> I heard you're the owner of the company.
>> Uh-huh.
>> Suffice to say, budget 2026 repeats the
2025 approach. larger allocations,
no proper planning, same outcomes. But
the honorable minister is not concerned
about improving healthcare. His focus is
on his private healthcare facility.
Where is training prioritizing this
budget? Why are we bringing 400 nurses
from Bangladesh and doctors from
Trinidad? Why not pay our own better?
The honorable minister of agriculture
wants us to believe all is fine and
dandy over there.
>> But our sugar workers,
>> our sugar workers were promised
>> three or four days out of crop.
>> They were promised three and four days
out of crop on the retroactive from
January to August up to now they cannot
be paid.
>> And yet and yet they claim they care
about hurricane cutters.
If it if it wasn't for me to visit the
cane cutters of the Albian estate
>> up to today, I'm sure they wouldn't have
been paid.
>> Honorable Schuman failed the indigenous
people.
For decades, three fishing companies
operated in Guyana.
>> Noble house seafoods, Pretty Ping
Investments and Rupy. 10 years ago,
Seabob shrimp catches were about45
million pounds per year. Now in 2026,
the catch is only£3 million.
>> You don't fail the
>> Noble House is closed.
>> Redhead is closed. Pretty Paul Singh is
the only one that remains.
>> This company has been the largest
seafood company in Guyana and the
Caribbean.
>> With catches reaching a maximum of 28
million pounds back in 20 back in 2013.
>> In 2025, catches are down to3 million
pounds annually.
>> Together, these three companies employed
over 2,500 workers. At present, the loan
company Pretty Paul has only 450
employees remaining. So now the question
lingers, why are these companies closed?
What happened to the 2,50 employees who
were laid off?
>> So when honorable member Zulfiar boast
about putting the people first, these
are the realities he refuses to accept.
>> Mr. Speaker, government could have
helped the fishery companies to keep
them alive. so that our gy people could
have remained employed in these
companies the same way they cushion
other industries. They could have given
the companies economic concessions such
as incentives and reduction of taxes on
various fishing supplies like the
endless concessions given to the Chinese
>> because we know the PPPC
we know they're very close you know to
sue and so
I ask again how are we putting the
people force
NDIA
Mr. Speaker, just take the period from
2021 to 2025. Approximately $190 billion
was spent and yet the ills continue. You
can take the entire budget 1 trill558
billion and give it to the NDIA and yet
it won't solve the problem.
>> Poor management, poor leadership.
>> No solution.
>> That's good. Is this how we manage the
affairs of the people of this country?
>> Mr. Speaker, at its bare minimum.
>> Let's go.
>> Let's go. Don't listen to foolishness.
>> Well, may say you got some tablets
there.
>> Mr. Speaker, the rice industry has
238,000 acres in this country with two
reaping per year. Rice farmers are
losing money in this country and the
government is doing almost nothing to
improve their livelihood. Mr. Speaker,
if only the honorable member would be
contented with the wealth he amass in
the PPP's forest term in office this
last term, he should source export
markets with the best price. Until that
happens, it is our farmers who suffer,
>> livestock, cattle and poultry. Mr.
Speaker, we are bringing in large
quantities of meat and poultry from
foreign countries including Brazil and
Surinam when we have vast amounts of
land and wellestablished cattle and
poultry farmers who are not afforded the
opportunity to produce adequate supplies
of meat and poultry for local
consumption and foreign export. Mr.
Speaker, while we are here, whatever
happened to the black belly sheep which
came from Barbados?
The last thing we heard the black belly
sheep. They're at a farm on the on this
Lynon Suzai Highway at Long Creek
at a very posh farm too.
Mr. Speaker, almost 30 years in office,
the PBP has failed to effectively
address our electricity supply.
two power ships and we are struggling
with inadequate electricity supply.
>> No, we got to go back there cuz GPL is
one of the biggest issues in this
country.
>> This year in our 2026 national budget, a
total of 119.4 4 billion has been
allocated to enhance the country's
electricity supply and energy
infrastructure. The PPP's inability to
find real solutions to these real
problems continue to see our country
spending enormous sums of money with no
concrete solution in sight.
>> Similarly, Mr. Speaker, poor water
quality in many parts of Guyana remains
a problem. Some places we have Asian
infrastructure and some none at all.
>> Honorable member, uh I think there was
an agreement on timing, so
>> I don't want to say you have 5 minutes,
but it's now bordering on almost an hour
and a half.
>> Oh, hour and a half here.
>> Wow.
Yeah.
>> Conclusion, Mr. Speaker,
>> as I move to close this debate, let me
remind this house that budgets are not
meant to be impressive by numbers and
records. Budgets are meant to improve
lives. Budgets are not meant to dominate
headlines. Budgets are meant to ease
burdens. Budgets are not meant to
inflate egos. Budgets are meant to
uplift people. They reveal who matters,
who waits, and who is asked to be
patient yet again. The people of this
country are not impressed by how many
pages this book contain, nor by how
loudly it was applauded by those on the
government benches. Ges will judge this
budget by a far simpler test. Did it
make my life better?
>> Mr. Speaker, this budget exudes the myth
of putting people's first. The
government has chosen this as a central
theme and it is a phrase that sounds
compassionate. It is a phrase that
sounds inclusive. It is a phrase that
suggests empathy. But a slogan is not a
policy in action.
>> Right? When we move past the Polish
language or for some of the honorable
members the views down market behavior
speeches and examine the actual nature
of this budget, we begin to see a
troubling disconnect between rhetoric
and reality.
>> Because putting people first means more
than finally announcing a delayed
promise cash grant. Putting people
forest means more than asking citizens
>> to be grateful for crumbs from a table
made rich by oil.
>> Yes,
>> true people forest budgeting requires
structural and systematic reforms
>> and deliberate redistribution especially
since the cost of living has increased
by 75%.
>> This budget offers the maintenance of
hardship instead of the elimination of
struggle.
>> Lovely.
Gian
just a second, Mr. Speaker. I'm not I'm
just confirming because you said we have
um he was at one and a half hours. I
have one 15 minutes. Just confirming if
that is accurate.
>> I am not going to get into a discussion
on timing, but
you have here an hour.
>> Just wanted to confir No problem. Thank
you, sir.
>> Mr. Speaker, Guyana stands at a historic
crossroads. Never has our nation
commanded resources of this scale. But
with that privilege comes
responsibility. We cannot sit here as
leaders of this great nation and mistake
volume for vision or lavish spending for
strategy.
>> History will record what we did with
this opportunity. Let it never be said
>> that at the hour of abundance
>> that we did not do our best to ensure
all 800,000 plus GE benefited from our
wealth. That said, Mr. Speaker, I cannot
support the 2026 budget for passage in
this assembly.
Lovely. Now you continue
don't like you at all apparently.
Continue.
>> Honorable.
>> Honorable Anel Nandelal,
>> a matter of national importance.
>> We have an extradition request here
since in November 26.
>> Answer my question.
>> Right. Please make it known to the
public.
Honorable Onage,
>> the extradition request came to you.
>> An honorable Todd. Please make it known
to the public.
>> Thank you.
>> Thank you honorable member.
And now for the honorable member, Dr.
Ashi Kumar Singh.
America.
We're going to let it go.
Ashley, should I take a suspension?
Seems that your side is now ready for
you.
>> Mr. Speaker,
as you are no doubt well aware yourself,
we're always ready.
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> they love
>> the privilege
>> is mine so much
>> and it is indeed a great privilege
for me to be able this evening
to rise on behalf of this people's
progressive party civic government
headed of course by his excellency the
president Dr. Muhammad Eran Ali
and comprising
amongst others the cabinet, the
government members of parliament
gathered here in this honorable house
and so many others
in whose
hands and in whose care
the task of
formulating
and implement menting and executing
government policy over the course of the
next 5 years
>> has been vested.
>> I listened keenly, Mr. Speaker, to the
entirety
of the debate on this year's budget, as
I always do every year.
But of course, this year
had a number of special
characteristics
that
resulted in me being reinforced in my
view
about the importance of the debate in
this year in particular.
First, of course, is the fact that 2026
is the first year
in this government's current term of
office.
And therefore, almost by definition,
budget 2026 was going to be
an extremely important budget because it
was going to define the path that we
will traverse over the course of the
next 5 years and set out our
government's agenda
for this current term of office.
But it was al also going to be an
important budget debate
because it was being it is being
considered
or it was going to be considered as it
has been considered
in a parliament of a considerably
different configuration
from any that we have seen perhaps in
the entire political history of this
country.
I
started the budget speech, Mr.
President, Mr. Speaker,
by setting out this political context
and by making the point that we
hold
the largest parliamentary majority that
has been won by any political party
over the course of the last two decades.
And we won that majority. We secured
that majority with the largest number of
absolute votes
and the largest or widest margin in the
popular vote in the history of
Democratic Guyana.
There was however, Mr. Speaker,
a third
dimension or aspect to the political
configuration
that is perhaps worthy of highlight
and I'm reminded of its importance
having heard and listened and indeed
having paid keen attention to the
presentation thus just made by the
leader of the opposition.
Because
this parliament
bears a characteristic that has I
believe perhaps never hi at all been
seen before
and I believe it was the honorable vice
president who said it
and I will repeat it
and that is
that this 13th parliament
Apart from the fact that the people's
progressive party civic government has
the largest majority that we've had in
two decades, this we are in this
parliament with that majority
with the most fragmented and the weakest
opposition in living memory
because for the first time in decades
the opposition benches are almost evenly
split. we can split here is about
whether it's 16 or 12, but they're
essentially evenly split. There's no
party with any dominant presence in the
opposition benches.
And so they are fragmented
and they are weaker
than any opposition that we have seen in
living memory. Glory.
>> And if we needed this point
to be demonstrated or to be reiterated
to us,
one had simply
to pay attention to the past week of
this budget debate.
And I will over the course of my
presentation today elaborate why this is
indeed the inescapable conclusion from
the last last week's deliberations.
Let me start first of all
Mr. speaker by saying how incredibly
proud I was
to be sitting on this side of the house
amongst these people's progressive party
civic members of parliament
and I consider it
a personal privilege and honor
to be a member of this people's
progressive party civic team.
Mr. Speaker, over the past week,
we saw
towering political giants
and at the risk of perhaps disappointing
some who might expect me to identify
their names. And we have many towering
political giants on our side,
some with more longevity than others.
But we witnessed over the past week
towering political giants
like the inimitable honorable Gail
Tashira
who has sat continuously in this house
since 1992 with distinction
and who has served the people of Guyana.
for decades before that
>> and has served her party for decades
before that.
>> And this morning they want disrespect.
>> I'm coming to that in a minute. I'm
coming to that in a minute. I saw we saw
we saw the nation and the world
were treated to political giants
of the measure and caliber of ael
tashira.
We saw some who were newer to politics
but are giants nonetheless
and have served this country with
distinction.
>> An honorable prime minister
permit me sir notwithstanding that I am
not in the chair today. Permit me sir to
say to you that were I in the chair but
Mr. Speaker, I would never dare to usurp
your authority. The honorable prime
minister deserves to take a bow. I'm not
inviting you to take a bow, sir, because
I don't have the authority to do so.
But we have in this you now have
>> Thank you very much, sir.
We have in this People's Progressive
Party and as leader of government
business, the honorable prime minister
who has distinguished himself in service
to Guyana for decades.
>> A highly decorated military general.
>> That's the
>> A highly decorated military general.
respected by
>> respected by all around the world and
certainly and especially in this
hemisphere.
never previously in politics
but in public service for all of his
life.
Deciding
that he
deciding and voluntarily choosing to
associate himself
with the political cause
that is the People's Progressive Party.
And Mr. Speaker, we saw some
who
did not
spend their entire lives in the People's
Progressive Party.
We saw some on this side of the house
who indeed are completely new
>> to the People's Progressive Party,
including colleagues, Mr. Speaker, who
started their political life elsewhere.
And they know
the belly of the beast on the other side
from the inside.
And knowing the belly of the beast on
the other side from the inside,
they chose voluntarily and willingly to
associate themselves with the People's
Progressive Party
and they acquitted themselves
at this podium in a manner that made me
proud to be Gion and made me proud to be
PPP.
Again
at the risk, Mr. Speaker, again at the
risk of offending some once you start
calling some names, you will omit
others.
But we heard from a James Bond. We heard
from a Tandai Mallister.
They were not born in the People's
Progressive Party, sir. They didn't
start their political lives in the
People's Progressive Party. They know
the other side very well
>> and they run.
>> And when at the first available
opportunity,
some will say that they ran
at the first available opportunity,
they stood up and they said in a very
intelligent and well-informed way.
And I might even say honorable Charles
Thompson that I disagree. Perhaps I
don't think they ran.
>> I think they weighed the alternative
because these are smart people.
>> And this was not an impulsive or
emotional move.
They analyzed the alternatives before
them.
They could have been over there or they
could have been over here. And many of
them gave sweat and perhaps even blood
for the PNC.
And when the PNC had an opportunity to
give them a role to play,
>> the PNC turned its back on them.
>> And having weighed the alternatives,
Mr. speaker
and having
carefully considered the matter,
they decided voluntarily to associate
with the People's Progressive Party and
they too
deserve to take a bow.
And then, Mr. Speaker, there were others
who also didn't spend their entire life
in politics. They are wellestablished
professionals in their respective
fields.
But they came with
incomparable political pedigree.
Pedigree that none of my colleagues on
the other side of the house could even
possibly begin to imagine.
But having been born in politics in the
people's progressive party and having
spent their entire life
as a professional distinguishing
themselves in their respective in their
particular field in the in the case of
the examples that I have in mind chose
eventually to leave the comfort of
professional life
and get involved in frontline politics.
And allow me here, Mr. Speaker, to
acknowledge my colleague, the honorable
member, Minister Vanessa Ben,
born as the daughter of Cherry Jag's
deputy premier.
>> Spent her entire life as a professional
and distinguished herself as a
professional and could be working
anywhere in the world.
and again as a professional with the
qualifications and track record to be
working anywhere in the world looked
around and said having spent my entire
life outside of politics well she's
still a young person so I could hardly
say my entire life but having spent all
of my life hitherto outside of politics
it is now time for me to associate
myself with my father's party
because of what I see transpiring in the
political space in Guyana.
And of course, there were many, many
other bright sparks, brand new MPs
who spoke for the first time, regional
MPs spoke with passion and energy.
Who could forget Assures Singh or Zamal
Hussein speaking with passion and energy
about what the people's progressive
party is doing for people in their
community in their respective
communities. Mr. Speaker,
this is the People's Progressive Party
City.
We heard from Minister Oes Walrun this
morning, this afternoon. again not born
in politics certainly not born in the
politics of the people's progressive
party but make made a conscious decision
today holds one of the most important
cabinet portfolios in our government and
is is discharging her responsibilities
with distinction
and we saw that distinction on display
earlier today and I could go on but I
won't on this occasion
Mr. speaker. But what we saw
over the course of the past week
was a full and rich
I turned and my eyes fell on young
Minister Sarah Brown and MP Sonia
Latchman.
young
indigenous Amarindian women
coming to this podium and I don't
believe there's anybody in Guyana whose
heart was not filled with pride when
they heard Sarah Honorable Sarah Brown
and Honorable Sonia Lashman speak at
this podium. You could not help but be
proud to be PPP and I was proud to be
PPP when I heard these MPs speak.
And so, Mr. Speaker, we received the
benefit
of an abundant display over the past
five days
of why the People's Progressive Party
remains
Guyana's only truly national multithnic
party.
Evergreen.
Evergreen. And I say to all Gian,
I say to all gy,
there is a home for you in the People's
Progressive Party.
>> Including those on that side of the
house
>> and that side
>> and that side that is your
>> including those on both sides of the
house. Some of whom I know
>> will eventually end up on this side.
Well, I can't necessarily, it's not my
place to say that they will end up on
this side of the house, but some of whom
I know inevitably will end up with the
people's progressive party
>> and moreover sir,
>> as I saw our young MPs,
as I saw our young members of parliament
distinguish themselves,
>> Terrena,
I was reinforcerated
in my I'm coming to that in a minute.
>> I was reinforced in my view
>> that the future of the people's
progressive party and therefore the
future of Guyana are in good hands and
are alive and well.
Mr. Speaker,
in contrast,
In contrast, sir,
>> we have on the other side of the house
>> two, well, three theoretically three
parties.
>> All of which really
came from the same source. They're
really, I think it was honorable Gail
Tasher who said it.
>> They're all the same.
>> They're all the same. They're all really
PNC.
>> Yes. PNC. And I'm not going to repeat
this catereration joke. I think it has
taken the internet by sufficient storm
for me not to dare to try to replicate
what I did when I presented the budget
speech. But they all came from the PNC.
Like I said, some over there there.
Uh the and the honorable Amana Walton is
PNC. the several
um uh win MPs are PNC and those who are
not PNC as honorable Priya Manachan said
it's some some rejects some dereliks
from the PNC and the rest of them I
believe the word she used was they're
all disaffected people
>> the rest are all there because they have
some grouse or the other people
>> they have a grouse they have an act you
don't enter politics
>> you won't hurt You don't enter politics
to grind some historic ax or some
personal cause
>> or to escape.
>> Well, I'm coming to that too.
>> You got a lot of things to come to,
>> Mr. Speaker.
I am not
going to go through
all of the speeches made
by all of the MPs. I believe that those
who spoke after them have already
abundantly responded
abundantly and adequately responded to
the various and rebutted and rejected
and corrected where needed the points
that were made
by all of the MPs
on the opposite side during the course
of this debate.
In the interest of time sir, I will
focus on two particular presentations.
One that came
from a new backbencher.
Oh,
>> one that was made a presentation that
was made by a new backbencher
>> who leads the
>> who leads the 12 member
>> back
>> who leads the 12 member
>> atneu
>> contingent
>> from the backbench
>> all of the
>> which incidentally sir
which incidentally sir is the smallest
PNC contingent.
>> Mr. Speaker, I wanted to make sure that
I was correct. I even got took the years
during the
the dictatorship.
Mr. Mr. Speaker, in the 1966 Parliament,
the PNC had in the first parliament, the
first of we are of course in the 13th
parliament. In Guyana's first
parliament,
the PNC had 22 seats.
In its second parliament, the PNC had 30
seats
>> started
>> in the third parliament. And of course,
like I said, I'm being No, I'm saying
they had I'm not saying they won.
They occupied
>> they occupied
>> in the third parliament they occupied 37
seats
>> Mr. Speaker, by 1981, the fourth
parliament, they occupied a whopping 53
seats
>> and they increased their presence
>> in the parliament
>> in 19 in the fifth parliament, the
198586 parliament.
>> That's the one that's
>> Mr. Speaker, the PNC occupied
>> legitimately or otherwise 54 seats. 54.
>> In the sixth parliament, they occupied
26 seats. In the seventh parliament, 25.
Well, of course, we are now in the post
1992 era. In 1992, they occupied 26
seats. In 19 in the seventh parliament,
they occupied 25 seats. In the eighth
parliament, this is the the 2001
parliament occupied 27 seats. In the
ninth parliament, they occupy 22 seats.
In the 10th parliament, by then they had
changed their name to APNU or APNFC. I'm
not sure.
There's a lot of debate about putting
putting people's first. The word people
has been at the beginning of the
People's Progressive Party since time
immemorial.
We didn't discard the name starting with
people people's national congress in
their case to hide under the disguise of
another name. But put that that's a
discussion for another day.
>> People by the 10th parliament they held
26 seats. In the 11th parliament
they held 33 seats. This is the
>> the the minority. Of course I should
have said in 20 in the 10th parliament
they held 26 seats but together with AFC
26 + 7 is 33 that's when they had the
one what we have described as the one
seat majority
>> in the 11th parliament they held 33
seats
in the 12th parliament which of course
is the parliament that was just
concluded where we were returned to
office they held 31 seats and in the
13th parliament
>> they hold 12 seats
>> on lucky number 13. What?
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> Friday the 13th,
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> notwithstanding
>> the evident evidently questionable
results during the 1964
to 1990
period.
I think it is fair to say that this
last election,
the people of Guyana
delivered a very clear message to the
PNC.
And it is under these circumstances
that the honorable Terren Campbell was
catapulted to lead this band of merry
men and women
>> of backbench
>> of 12 backbenturers
>> 12 disciples
>> and I want to say this Mr. Speaker, I
want to say because I have I try to be a
respectful person most of the and I
believe I succeed most of the time, not
necessarily always,
but I try to be a respectful person most
of the time.
I have had the honor to have served in
parliaments
where I sat opposite
Robert Corbin. I didn't have the
privilege of sitting in a parliament
opposite Desmond Hoy. When I came into
the parliament, the leader of the
opposition was Robert Corbin.
So I served in a parliament where the
PNC was led by Robert Corbin.
I served in the parliament where the PNC
was led by David Granger.
I served in the parliament
where the PNC was led by Joe
Harmon.
I served in the parliament when the PNC
was led by Aubrey Norton
and I must say, Mr. speaker that I have
never in any of those previous instances
witnessed anything like I witnessed over
the last 5 days
>> because
>> was that good
>> because
if the PNC had not already hit a low
point by securing only 12 seats
performance
>> they certainly had hit a low point by
the performance of the member of
parliament
leading them in this house.
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> no PNC MP. Mr. Speaker, I'll tell you
this because I, like I said, I too
wasn't born in politics. I have good
relationships with a lot of people in
the PNC. I have good relationships with
everybody in Ghana.
I have never witnessed
>> a more vile personalized behavior.
a more vulgar, vicious, vitriolic,
>> yes, no decor
>> behavior
by anybody who led the PNC in this
parliament
>> like I witnessed displayed by the
honorable Terren Campbell.
>> And Mr. Speaker, he has this interesting
way.
I don't think it is a secret that there
is a historic family association because
he mentions it every time he launches a
personalized attack against me.
I think he mentioned it in parliament
the other day. I
>> think he's smart.
>> I think he said he and my father are
friends. He said
>> well and it's not the first time he said
it. He keeps repeating it. Every time he
launches a personalized attack against
me, he keeps saying it. And it reminds
me, sir, of that famous old analogy
of
the Nazi
who
would always say, "But I'm not really a
Nazi because I have a Jewish friend."
>> Or of the Indogyanese man who is raid
and racist, but who would always say,
"Me, I couldn't possibly be a racist
because I have an Indo-Ganese friend."
or my best friends are Indo-Ganese or
vice versa the AfroGanese person who is
rapidly racist and says me I could never
be racist. I have an IndoGanese friend.
How why could you possibly describe me
as a racist?
The Honorable Terren Campbell repeatedly
I have never in my political life been
subject not and I'm not only speaking
about myself.
I have never been subject to and I have
never witnessed such vile personalized
attacks on people in politics. Never in
my life.
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> Mr. Speaker, I'm not going to speak
because I I
>> I've been in politics for a while so I
could handle anything.
>> I'm coming to you honorable Priya
Manikan. I'm coming to you honorable
minister Manikan.
This honorable member, Mr. Speaker,
notoriously
>> done
>> notoriously made a post on Facebook
body shaming a female minister. That's
>> right, sir.
>> Well, I'll tell you what,
the wave of reprimands that was
unleashed on him made him delete the
post. Oh my
>> even I couldn't do that.
>> Including by people who are connected to
him and I'm not going to name them.
>> Some of them sitting in the
>> I'm not going to name them out of
respect for them.
>> Including by people connected to him who
said to him, "Shame on you."
>> Come on Ghan Street.
>> And he was forced to delete.
>> He was forced to delete the post. But
Mr. Speaker,
>> I didn't do that.
>> Mr. Speaker, if you will,
>> you can't change the innate
characteristics of a person.
>> So having already been publicly shamed
because of his behavior towards
women in politics, the honor member
comes to this house. When did he speak?
Yesterday.
>> Yesterday.
>> And he's speaking about projects.
I think somebody mentioned something
about a project that had a design flaw.
I think the honorable Pyman Chan and I I
had to listen to this because I was like
almost in disbelief.
>> I had to listen to this thing and I'm
inviting the public to play this video
back.
There are certain lines, Mr. Speaker,
that you don't cross. None of us is
perfect, but there are certain lines you
don't. And I know I haven't discussed
this matter with the minister, man, but
I know she heard what he said.
>> I heard it was true. No,
>> I'll tell you what though. It reflects
an attitude
>> and a mindset
>> and a mindset.
>> And for those in this house who did not
catch what he said, he thinks that he
got away with it.
>> I didn't catch it.
>> I know you I know a lot of people didn't
catch it.
>> I'm going to tell you what he said.
>> So the honorable Priya man spoke about
the design floor.
She was speaking about Hags Bosch and
she was speaking about the road along
Hags Bosch and she gave an explanation.
>> The Honorable Terren Campbell comes to
this house at the microphone as the
leader of Forbes Barnam's party
>> as the leader of Far dressing up like he
go look like Forbes warn and somebody
say you wear the Barnum suit on Monday
or Tuesday. I don't pay attention to
them things.
>> But
coming to this parliament,
taking the podium, leader of Burnham's
party,
and this is what he said.
There have been so many design flaws in
this country. And he starts to list
examples. He said there was a design
flaw with Skeleton. There was a design
flaw with Amiler. He gave a couple other
examples. He said there's a design flaw
on the bar Jagdale bridge. The trucks
are rolling back.
>> And then he says there's a design flaw
with everything including Priya
Manachan.
>> Put that phrase in quotation marks
>> and watch the video back.
>> No chicken wings.
>> Watch the video back. There's a design
flaw with everything.
chicken wings.
>> There's a design flaw with everything,
including Priya Manich.
>> End of quote.
>> And they laugh over
>> and they laughed aoriously.
>> A joke. It was a joke.
>> It was a joke.
>> It was a joke of
>> a woman member of parliament.
>> A woman minister
>> and Ganesh laugh.
>> Ganesh
>> laugh now
>> leader
>> leader of B Forbes. No amount of
dressing up in Borham suit
>> will take you out of the gutter.
>> That's right.
>> No amount of dressing up.
>> And no amount of shouting and raising
your voice in this house to give
yourself fake gravitas
>> will lift you out of the gutter.
>> That's right.
>> It's a mindset,
>> Mr. Speaker.
>> Standpipeish behavior.
>> Mr. Speaker, there was much ado.
Somebody posted. So I presented this
budget under the theme
under the theme
>> putting people first. Well, we have
always put people first.
>> So So
>> who else you have put?
>> We have always put people first.
>> Who else you have put for first?
>> We have always put people first. Well,
well,
somebody apparently made the point that
APNU, I think, had this as their
manifesto
>> theme
>> and they posted a big picture of the
budget speech cover and myself and they
put the big word, it's a nonp
parliamentary word, sir, so I will say
it but not say it. They put a big word
mark thief with Ashnne Singh's
photograph and a picture of the theme
and a big word called I can't remember I
don't want to it's a member of
parliament on their side who made that
post
and the honorable Terren Campbell friend
of my father as he claims to be
gleefully
friend of my father
>> as he claims to be
shares disposed with a big war thief and
a sne picture on it.
>> Meanwhile,
>> but guess what? But guess what? So, so
he's accusing me of a of being a thief
because apparently a thief the theme
putting people force, which incidentally
they thief from Bill Clinton, but we'll
put that aside for the moment. But guess
what? Guess what? A couple days later,
he was driving in a brand new I think
Toyota and Cruiser, one of those big
vehicles.
And very pleased with himself that he
had bought this
>> very pleased that he had bought himself
this Toyota and cruiser and apparently
this time paid the taxes. Yeah, chicken
wing.
>> And obviously paying taxes was a very
unfamiliar sensation to him because he
was very elated and excited to post that
he had paid x amount in duties and taxes
being unfamiliar with paying taxes
apparently.
>> So he posts
>> that I've paid the taxes on this
vehicle. Well, there a lot of Chinese
people paying taxes on vehicles and they
jumping on Facebook and posting it.
>> But guess what?
The honorable member captions his post
in big bold all caps.
>> Three words.
Unbought,
>> unbossed,
>> unbothered,
>> and unbothered.
>> Yes, I remember it.
>> You remember the post?
>> Well, Mr. Speaker,
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> you would think that Mr. Originality,
>> you know, like they got miseniality.
You know like how you got mis
congeniality.
>> You would think that Mr. originality
who accused me of thiefing the PNC theme
would have been a little bit cautious
not to thief Prime Minister Mia
Mortley's slogan off of her Facebook
page
>> where for the longest while she has had
the phrase on bbought and on boss and
the prime minister of Barbados has never
made it a secret where she got that
theme from
>> it is Charlie Chisum's biography
autobiography
Because Shirley Chisum wrote in 1970 a
famous autobiography called unbought and
unbossed. And Charlie Chisum
incidentally is a distinguished
Caribbean American.
>> You know that
>> whose parentage originates half from
Guyana and half from Barbados.
Charlie Chisum, daughter of a gy and a
Barbadian parent and a distinguished
afroamerican or Africanamean.
The honorable David Hines would be very
familiar with her work
>> in 1970 authored her autobiography
titled on bought and on boss. And of
course, Prime Minister Mley is quite
rightly very proud of Charlie Chisum as
a Barbadian, a person who identifies as
a Barbadian American. So, she's adopted
this slogan for the longest while, Mr.
Originality.
Mr. Originality. So excited and elated
he was by the novelty of paying taxes.
>> I ain't going to use the word thief,
that unparliamentary word.
I will looked at it and you know I
suffer my moments of pettiness. Do I
want to share it to and put teeth? But I
said to myself, I'm going to save it for
this Friday.
>> In the spirit in the spirit of
>> I'm going to save it for this Friday.
>> I said that already. Pay attention.
>> Pay attention.
>> Pay attention.
pay attention.
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> standing order,
>> the honorable member is not supposed to
heckle. He's not in his seat.
>> He has to sit in his seat.
>> Mr. Campbell unbothered from Granger.
>> Oh yes, I forgot that. I forgot that the
time when Mr. Granger leaned on the
podium
>> unbothered
>> and said he's unbothered. Pegasus
Pegasus. It was at the Pegasus.
>> Mhm.
>> And so, Mr. Speaker,
but those are but examples
of the depths to which
Barnham's party
>> has gone
>> has gone
>> has sunk
>> has sunk
>> under the stewardship party
>> of of the honorable no no
>> party is not bothering me
>> party is bothering you
>> those are the depths to which the
people's National Congress has sunk.
>> We're scraping the bottom of the barrel
here.
>> And Mr. Speaker, throughout the week, we
were regailed
>> by all sorts of speurious statements
>> all throughout the week. Throughout the
week, we were regailed
>> by speurious comments.
by speurious comments and absurdities
of finance.
You continue to hide because you're
doing illegal stuff.
>> Here who speaks about illegality
here. Who speaks about illegality?
>> Here, Mr. Speaker,
>> I don't really know facts on this
matter,
>> but I am told
>> that there's a certain chain of fast
food restaurants
>> that for years was selling fried chicken
and fries and I believe maybe even some
bit of ice cream here and there,
charging the poor people of Guyana value
added tax to the G
>> and collecting the value added tax from
the poor people of Guyana that he now
professes to love.
charging the poor people of Guyana value
added tax. They now profess to love
these people.
>> Collecting the stacks, making a profit
off of these people
>> and collecting the VAT and not paying
over the VAT to the GR and when the time
come to pay over the VAT to the GR where
the money
>> writes the GR and says please write off
this VAT and this taxes that I owe you.
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> I stand on uh
4 to A. Sir,
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> I have never forget the Great British
Parliament. Sit down.
>> I am speaking.
>> Sit down.
>> I am speaking.
>> Sit down.
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> I have never
>> I have never had a write off of VAT or
any tax in Guyana. Never had a right off
of that or any tax in Guyana. And I
challenge the finance minister,
>> honorable member, you stand on what
standing order?
>> 486
>> and 416 included.
I have never had a write off of tax in
Guyana.
>> Never. Not once.
>> Never once. I have never asked for a
write off of taxes in this country. And
the honorable Larry Ali is not here, but
he can confirm if he were here that I've
never had a write off of tax in or a VAT
in this country. Never. Not once. And so
I challenge the finance minister to
withdraw that remark or produce the
evidence of a right off of primary tax
in this country.
>> Then we can't.
>> Mr. Speaker, once again, sir, it's
called hoodwinking.
>> It's called hoodwinking by obfuscation
>> because Mr. Speaker,
>> I see the honorable is not resuming his
seat. I'll wait for him to resume his
seat before I respond.
>> Mr. Speaker, it's called hoodwinking by
obfiscation or what you might call
splitting hairs
because every other person in this
country when they don't pay their taxes,
they're subject to something called
penalties and interest. And having
failed to pay over his taxes in a timely
manner, he accumulated a vast amount of
penalties and interest. I want him to
stand up and say that he's never asked
for a write off of penalties and
interest.
>> Stand up. Stand up.
>> Stand and say that.
Mr. Speaker, there's an old saying, who
the cap fit, wear it.
>> Yes, that's called a red herring.
>> Continue. Senior,
>> there's an old saying, who the I didn't
hear anybody. Who the cap fit, wear it.
>> A red herring.
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> Mr. Speaker, I want to repeat that I
never asked for or a write off of any
tax. The honorable minister is correct
that I ask for a partial write off of
penalties and interest. A partial write
off of penalties and interest after
having paid over $100 million in
penalties and interest. And the
honorable minister would know by the
member.
>> Thank you. Senior minister continue.
Mr. Speaker,
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> I expected treatment.
>> Mr. Speaker, as
>> and reaping
the business,
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> you can get it too.
>> It doesn't seem like you're on.
>> I sat here all week.
I am
>> Mr. speaker
to invoke those famous words and further
I need say not
Mr. Speaker
that kind of
duplicity
characterized the honorable member's
entire presentation
>> and all of his interventions.
is not
>> throughout this week.
>> On every matter
>> on every matter,
>> no.
>> And I could go on through a long list of
issues,
>> whether it be the question of
consultations on the budget.
Mr. Mr. Speaker, the People's
Progressive, no People's Progressive
Party civic government engages in a
single symbolic consultation on the
budget a few days before. I said that to
all of the members of the privates and
I've always said it to members of the
private sector on every occasion that
I've met them in close proximity to the
budget.
We consulted the private sector
extensively in the preparation of our
manifesto.
We are the only political party to have
done so.
>> That's true. That's true.
>> We received extensive submissions.
We are engaged with the private sector
literally every week if not every day.
Whether it be at the ministry of home
affairs, the ministry of local
government, the ministry of tourism,
I meet with members of the private
sector on one private sector body or
another.
And so, Mr. Speaker, this People's
Progressive Party civic government's
policies
are informed
by stakeholder input, not by a simple
single token engagement a few days
before the budget
by but by an ongoing
deep and profound engagement with the
private sector so that we can understand
what their priorities are, what their
interests are, what they would like us
to do more of, what they would like us
to do differently.
And Mr. Speaker, if the honorable member
was not content
to insult those on the opposite side of
this house, the honorable member went on
to describe the leaders of Guyana's
private sector and stakeholder community
>> as politically captured
>> as politically captured. And he repeats
it and he repeats it with great pride.
He repeats it with great pride.
>> The Private Sector Commission, the
Georgetown Chamber of Commerce, the
Ghana Manufacturers Association,
Regional Chambers of Commerce, the
Women's Chamber of Commerce,
>> the Miners Association,
Mr. Speaker, he describes all of these
people
as politically captured,
not content with hurling vile insults.
to those of us on this side of the
house. He proceeds, sir, to hurl insults
everywhere else, too. Well, I'll tell
you what. I'll tell you what. It is
because of that mindset, sir, through
you, Mr. Speaker, that you are now
sitting on that side of the house
leading the smallest group of PNC MPs,
in the history in the history of Guyana.
that side of the house.
>> The honorable member says he's going to
be coming on this side of the house.
He will last his call.
>> Sir, Mr. Speaker,
>> you will resign.
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> belly for his fight.
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> allow you.
>> I ain't got any like
mindset.
>> You're an opportunist that is not
prepared to serve people.
>> You go on every single Sunday to preach
>> to good news and you should come and
listen and you should come and listen to
change your mindset.
Mr. Speaker,
>> the honorable member,
>> the honorable member
>> says that he is waiting.
>> The honorable member says that he is
waiting
>> to come on this side of the house. Well,
I said earlier, Mr. Speaker, and it's no
secret that I maintain an open channel
of communication with people all over
the political divine. I speak with
people in every political party. I
maintain an open channel of
communication. So I will confess sir I
will confess sir that
I had an engagement with a very senior
member of the people's national congress
of pedigree
who has been in the PNC for a very long
time. Not one who when he was catapulted
to the leadership had to hide and bob
and weave about whether he's a PNC
member or when he become a PNC member.
And we all recall the the the drama over
whether he's a whether he's a PNC member
at all
>> and if so when he became a PNC member
>> I spoke I spoke Mr. Speaker I spoke Mr.
Speaker
>> with a prominent member of the PNC and I
said man
>> I said man what going on over there
where where y'all find this chap from
>> and Mr. speaker that senior member of
the people's national congress gave m
made a very gave me a very interesting
response he said in cricket
to give you a cricketing analogy they
got something name a night watchman
>> now I'm not a cricketer the cricketer
here is Charles Ramson or or or Steven
Jacobs in fact
>> a night watchman
>> right but the senior member of the PNC
said to me you ever they said I know you
don't play cricket but you just watch
cricket you ever hear about a night
Watchman
>> Steven Jacobs and Charles Ramson will
explain to you. Honorable The Honorable
Steven Jacobs and the Honorable Charles
Rams will explain to you what is a night
watchman.
>> But but but I'll tell you what, but I'll
tell you what.
>> You ever hear a night watchman?
>> But I'll tell you what.
He shielded the water.
>> Actually, this man trying to get into
>> you know about baseball. You know about
cricket. You You know about cricket. You
know about baseball. Because I have a
baseball analogy for you too. Yes, sir.
I'm guiding. I know.
>> All right. You guys need to spend a lot
of time in the United States of America
though. But anyhow, that's beside the
point.
Mr. Speaker,
the honorable the senior member of the
PNC who spoke with me said to me,
"There's a man y'all used to call Norton
little leaguer."
>> Little or eager.
>> So I said, "Yes, yeah, we call little
league, but this chap the cake."
>> He said to me, "Now pee," he gave me, he
he taught me a word that I had to
Google.
He said, "You might not be familiar." He
said, "I know a little baseball cuz I
live in America before or I have family
who live in America."
He said, "Do you ever hear the phrase
T-baller?"
>> I said, "How you going to spell that?"
He said, "You could spell it either T
baller or T E baller." And I invite the
public and I invite members of this
honorable house to Google T-ball. I had
to Google it.
>> I had to Google T-ball.
Honorable Schuman, you have young kids
who play baseball. You know what's a
tala?
>> The person said to me, "In cricket, we
call a night watchman, but in baseball,
a more suitable name, a more suitable
description for the honorable Terrence
Campbell is T-baller."
T-baller. They say, "You know, you
should call T-ball Terren or T-ball
Terrence."
Well, I out of respect, I wouldn't do
that, sir. Maybe not in this honorable
house. Maybe outside. But Google
T-baller. I had to Google it
>> to discover what is T-ball and T-baller.
>> Google.
>> So, Mr. Speaker, for all of his bombast
for all of his bombast
over the past week, sir,
>> for all of his bomb bluster and bombast,
Mr. Speaker,
>> even within the PNC, Mr. Terence
Campbell the honorable member is not
taken seriously sir.
>> He's not taken seriously.
>> He holding the fort like a night
watchman
>> until time comes for a real leader to
take over back.
>> I see Mahipal angling there. I don't
know if it can be Mahipal waiting.
>> And Mr. Speaker, it is most unfortunate.
>> It is most unfortunate. And it is most
unfortunate sir
because look where we are.
>> Look where we are.
>> Only
>> you know nothing substantive depletion
of the NRF reporting accurately. I laid
you before the house
>> man. This chap is something
>> really trying to talk on a Friday
morning.
>> Really trying to talk on a Friday cannot
address the matter of substance.
>> Yes Mr. Speaker. First of all, Mr.
Speaker,
>> I don't allow myself to be lectured by
T-ballers.
>> Listen to me. I lecture you over boxing.
>> I don't allow myself to be lectured by
tea ballers.
>> I don't allow myself to be lectured by
tea ballers, sir.
>> Mr. Speaker, I don't need Mr. Terren
Campbell's endorsement or validation.
>> Nobody on this side of don't need your
validation. Nobody on this side of them
don't need your validation.
>> Let me tell you something, Mr. Speaker,
through you, sir. Nobody on this side of
the house needs validation from the
likes of Terrence Campbell.
You
with your head down and I bring to you
Ashley, you shall
be you like a friend.
>> Honorable member, please. Allow the
minister to continue.
Mr. Speaker,
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> the behavior is on display for all to
see.
>> Yes.
>> The behavior is on display for all to
see.
>> I'm a fighter and the people,
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> a fighter don't start fighting when
they're 70.
>> Mr. Speaker, I'm happy for the honorable
member to continue.
Mr. Speaker,
>> matters.
>> A simple matter over the course of the
last week, well maybe two weeks.
A simple matter, sir. Mr. Campbell wants
to run a country. Mr. Speaker, over the
course of the last two weeks,
Mr. Campbell, the honorable member and
the AP andu MPs that he leads
and win could not agree sir on the
matter of allocation of portfolios in a
shadow cabinet.
>> That is the big big and bad. That's the
with all the bluster and bombast
Mr. Campbell could not secure more than
two shadow cabinet seats
in his negotiations with a political
entity that le that is less than one
year old
>> with all of his bluster and bombast and
bullism.
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> honorable
member Mr. Gavl,
>> the honorable minister of finance is
wrong about not being able to secure
more than two seats. In fact, the first
order, the first offer was for five
seats. So, he's he's repeating stuff
that is incorrect, sir.
>> I I honorable minister, I will uphold
that point of order and I will
>> and Mr. Speaker, I will not, Mr.
Speaker, I of course was not privy to
what was transpiring between them, but
what I do know is
>> I do have an article here dated February
1, 2026
where
it is head, this article is headlined
win yet to reach agreement on budget
debate arrangements.
Starbrook news 21st of January
APNU says win failed to engage
meaningfully in talks on united
opposition.
So Mr. Speaker, what whether it is five
or two or whatever it is, what I do know
is that for for all his bluster and
bombast, the honorable successor to
Aubrey Norton was granted the mammoth 15
plus 5 minutes to speak in this budget
debate because he was unable to reach
agreement with winter
on Thursday.
>> 15 bothers you,
>> Mr. Speaker.
>> Mr. Speaker, incapable.
These are the people who want to present
themselves as an alternative government.
Incapable of working together as an
opposition on something as
inconsequential.
It's not like this thing going to be
cast in stone forever till thy kingdom
come.
>> It shallows
>> on this simple matter of allocating
portfolios for the purposes of the
budget debate.
And Mr. Speaker, they rather give up all
than accept the two or the five that
they were offered.
>> They rather sit down because you are the
weakest presence of the PNC in the
history of farms party.
>> You could not even extract you could not
even extract significant portfolio
representation.
>> We stand on principle.
>> Well, Mr. Speaker, what I know
>> what I know, sir, is that they sat down
meekly and trotted out one after the
other on their with their little
50-minute allocations or like the
backbenchers that he is
>> like the backbencher
>> like the backbencher that he is.
>> Mr. Speaker, the honorable member,
>> Mr. Terrence Campbell, the honorable
member sir, has no claim to credibility.
Mr. Speaker,
when this gentleman
when this gentleman was nominated to
lead
APNU in the parliament,
he was asked our Europe member.
>> Mr. Speaker, on the 15th of November in
Deana Waves,
>> the headline is Atne parliamentary
leader secretive about PNCR membership
>> plays down party leadership prospects.
You talking about who hang
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> I am as happy to be a follower as I am
to be a leader.
>> I am as happy to be a follower. You have
never followed. You have never served as
a regular MP. James Bondant and like
Mallister serve in the PNC and they're
not sitting where you are sitting. You
never slept as an ordinary MP. You are
catapulted into the leadership. Well,
Mr. Speaker, for the record, I am
equally happy to be a follower as I am
to be a leader. And I'm proud of it. I'm
proud of it.
And he who is not willing to be a foot
soldier is not entitled to be a general.
>> He doesn't want to be a foot soldier. He
start with an
we don't get to anug
when he couldn't establish here laugh
here Mr. Speaker. When he couldn't
establish that he's a PNC member. Here
what he said. My blood was always green.
I went to bishop's high school.
I have this story here. My blood was
always green. I went to Bishop. Never
mind, sir.
>> Never mind, sir.
>> I thought he was accusing
>> that on the 19th of July 2025.
>> Never mind, sir, that on the 19th of
July 2025, the honorable Terren Campbell
said in Kai news, I was never part of
any political party. New at new
candidate Terren Campbell.
Mr. Speaker,
>> Mr. Campbell is on public record
as being a founder member of
>> Anug.
>> Stabbrook News January 8, 2019.
Businessman Campbell walks away from
Anug.
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> go ahead. Honorable member involved in
the initial
>> I was involved in the initial
discussions to form Anoo but before the
launch of that party I had departed. I
not I there is not a resignation was not
even necessary. Before the launch of
Anug I announced that I was no longer in
any discussions with that political
party. So I I was never a member, never
signed up, never paid any fees, anything
never filled out a form. So I ask the
honorable minister to withdraw that.
Sir,
>> honorable minister, uh we heard from the
MP. He was never associated with that
statement. Um I'll uphold a point of
order. Thank you.
>> And of course, you know, Mr. Speaker, I
will defer to your ruling. I will simply
cite a stab news headline
dated January 8, 2019
where the story is headlined businessman
Campbell walks from Anug due to
polarized political climate
and the story goes on to say local
businessman Terren Campbell lest there
be any doubt who we're speaking about
has ended his brief foray into politics.
Mr. Speaker,
>> I stand on 48 yesterday because
>> honorable uh
>> MP.
>> Yeah,
>> I just want to hear uh what is in the
article and give a ruling.
>> But but Mr. Speaker, can you give me one
second because yesterday
>> Go ahead. Go ahead. yesterday when I
raised the issue of the Bangladeshi
um government establishing a high
commission in Guyana to explore the
labor market. Your ruling at that time
was that we do not f we do not I think
we wouldn't follow the news or
something.
>> I was just about I was just about
>> one more thing sir over and over again
and I have said this many times the
headline does not reflect what was said
by someone. It's happened to me at least
five times recently with several
different news outlets. So I would
encourage the honorable minister to read
properly rather than just read
headlines. But I just the point is I'm
rising on your ruling last night sir.
>> Yes sir. And you're in order.
>> Very very well sir.
In fact, in in fact, in fact, the
honorable member
>> I will do, sir, exactly as the honorable
member has requested.
>> The honorable member asks for me to read
from the article.
>> This guy needs a
>> Mr. Speaker, the article has a quotation
in inverted commas quoting from a press
Mr. Speaker,
>> whether he reads it or not is not
important.
>> And I was impacted by that last night.
>> Yes.
>> Thank you,
>> honorable minister.
I I just want from my ear to to to hear
the end of that because
we do have a standing order that speaks
specifically to reference to news,
>> right?
And it says that we should not. And I
may have to now rule absolutely on it
because people are refuting what their
these quotes are. And um but I still
wanted to hear what's in court because
this is something I want to also talk to
the media about,
you know, because in here I laid out the
principle for the media, but out there I
banned the media.
Go ahead honorable
>> Mr. Speak. So do I have your permission
sir to
>> yes
>> read from the article very well sir.
>> So the article Mr. Speaker and again for
those who want to read it in its
fullness for themselves. It is the 8th
of January 2019. Stabbrook news
headlined businessman Campbell walks
from anog due to polarized political
climate and somewhere midway through the
article there's a quotation carried in
inverted commas in quotation marks that
reads sir as follows. It says open
quote. So it's a quotation from the
party. It says, this is ANOG of course.
It says, open quotes, it is clear that
Terren has come under severe pressure
because of his leading role in
establishing ANOG.
Some of us have also come under pressure
from official sources very recently as a
consequence of our association
with ANU and in the past. We have
endured and survived and expect to
continue to do so in the future and the
quote goes on. But what I wanted to draw
attention to, sir, was the quote the
release the release from the party
quoted in inverted commas in quotation
marks in the aforementioned cited
article in Stabber News that Mr.
Campbell according to this article and
according to the direct quotation
carried in this article from Anoo that
Mr. Campbell played
in quotes a leading role in establishing
Anuk.
Fast forward sir.
Fast forward speaker
minister. Uh so
it says a leading role. You know there
are many organizations which I played a
leading role in organizing but never was
a member of. So
while it may sound as if he was a member
I can't associate leading role with
being a member of right let's move on
from this
>> I honorable member Mr. Camp just one
second.
>> Yes.
>> A simple Google check will show that
anog was launched on January 18, 2019.
And I through you I'm asking the
minister to say the date of that
article.
>> Honorable I I am not going to continue
along the line. I've ruled I understand
being involved in the formation of
organizations and not being a member of
it. Uh we have accepted your position
that you've never been a member of an
ANU and the minister will move on. Very
well sir I might add sir I won't quote
from them but there is a vast array a
colle v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v
v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v
v v vast collection of articles carried
in stab news in deer waves etc on this
matter
which you never
>> you should have been paying attention I
said the date on several occasions I
said it on several occasions I'm not
here to compensate for your
inattentiveness you suffer from some
kind of attention deficit I'm not here
to compensate for your attention deficit
Mr. Speaker,
Mr. Speaker,
>> go ahead. Very well.
>> I'm not here to compensate for your
>> I'm not here, sir, to I I said I said
the date of this news article on many
occasions.
>> Check this.
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> Mr. Speaker, it is most regrettable,
sir, that the cameras are aimed at me on
this occasion. I would have liked this
spectacle of Mr. Campbell's behavior to
be broadcast for the nation to witness.
>> Want somebody
the PPP and the graph that they're
involved in. That's what the people want
to see and I will fight.
>> Honorable member, Mr. Campbell,
we have lectured on the use of
unparliamentary language,
>> but I checked my Thesarus just now
and the particular standing order speaks
to language which the speaker may
disallow.
>> Thank you.
And so, like I said, Mr. Speaker,
>> throughout his presentation,
the nation was subjected to the same
kind of duplicity,
fancy footwork,
splitting hairs throughout his entire
presentation in this house. Mr. Speaker,
and throughout the entire week, sir.
>> Mr. Speaker, on the subject of Guyana's
macroeconomic performance,
Mr. Speaker, the honorable member spoke
first of all cited with much applom.
He cited with much a plum the practice
in Ghana and he brandished sir a
document that lists the spending
made in Ghana from the authorized budget
funding amount which of course is
governed by Ghanaian legislation. It's
called the ABA in Ghana governed I
believe by the Petetroleum Revenue
Management Act if I'm not mistaken
a model sir with which I'm very familiar
Mr. speaker in Ghana they comply with
what is required by the Ghanaian
legislation
we have in this country we're governed
in this country by laws and we have a
natural resource fund act
>> honorable member Mr. Campbell
>> the minister is entering into ter before
currently before the court. Sir,
>> what is
honorable? Let's hear about the
honorable minister because reference was
made in here
concerning the Ghanaian legislation. you
know was hold up as the ideal
um for us.
>> I think the point that he is trying to
make is they have their rules and laws
and we have ours but I don't want to
>> Mr. Speaker yesterday when I raised it I
said the reporting on the use of the
funds is a good model to follow. I did
not say that and I particularly if you
go back to the answer I said I will not
drift into any area that subjunies
>> yes you you did but if it's a good I
don't know where the minister is going
with this so if he's going to
tell us
you know what is good for the goose and
good for the ganda I want to Mr.
Speaker, what standing order is he
standing on?
>> Thank you very much.
>> He's standing on the permission of the
speaker.
>> Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I too
have no intentions of venturing
into matters that are currently being
considered by the courts of Guyana.
But this matter was raised in the
honorable house by the honorable member
and I don't know if he expects that or
he believes that he enjoys some monopoly
on the right to raise this matter with
the expectation that I will not be
responding because in that case he is
grossly mistaken.
>> Absolutely.
>> I will repeat what I was saying a minute
a few minutes a minute or two ago.
In Ghana,
they have their own legislation
and they follow their own model and they
comply with that model.
We have in Guyana a natural resource
fund act which was passed by this
national assembly in 2021 in December
2021 in that very famous sitting of this
honorable house
>> when they tried to steal the mace
>> when of course there was that much
publicized incident with the attempted
theft of the mace
and we this parliament enacted a natural
resource fund act with which well first
of all which is vastly superior to what
was in place previously
>> y
>> and with which we are in full compliance
>> yes
and Mr. Speaker, on the questions
concerned,
without, like I said, prosecuting or
attempting to prosecute this matter
this evening or in this honorable house,
I will draw attention to the fact that
there is a vast literature
on this question
of whether funds should be earmarked or
not. There is a vast literature on this
subject matter
and Mr. Speaker in Guyana for as long as
that is what is in our law books that is
what we are required to comply with
>> exactly
>> if and when the law changes at some
point in time in the future this
people's progressive party civic
government will comply with the law the
extent law at the time
>> but Mr. Speaker, in its infinite wisdom,
this house legislated
that the transfers from the NRF will be
transparent,
will be transferred in total in
accordance with a simple and
parsimonious formula that every single
GY citizen will be able to understand
and that all of those revenues will be
paid into the consolidated fund and
their utilization will be in accordance
with the national budgetary process. And
that, Mr. Speaker, is precisely what we
are doing in accordance with the laws of
Guyana.
>> And like I said, Mr. Speaker, I would
urge the honorable member to acquaint
himself.
And as with all of these matters there
the there is a lit there there is a the
jury is out and there's a vast
literature out there but there are
compelling arguments
why resource revenue should not be
earmarked. I draw the honorable members
attention
sir to a publication by the OECD.
the OECD in 2019 sir published this is
just one example
published in 2019
policy guidance it's an OECD development
policy tools it's an it's a publication
in that series and it is titled using
extractive revenues for sustainable
development
subtitled policy guidance for
resourcerich countries Mr. Speaker
there's a whole chapter In this
publication
on the pitfalls of air marking natural
resource revenue, there's a whole box,
box 2.3
from page from page 24 to 25. And I'm
just pulling out one box. The box is
titled
the pitfalls of air marking natural
resource revenue from the OECD.
Now, I'm not saying this is the only
view, sir.
I'm not saying this is the only view,
but this is a rather compelling view and
I don't present myself as a subject
matter expert on anything.
But I will say that this publication was
authored by people who can legitimately
and appropriately present themselves as
subject matter experts.
Mr. Speaker, the honorable member made
much ado,
much ado
about macroeconomic performance
>> and incurrence of debt.
Mr. Speaker, it is this people's
progressive party civic government and
our predecessors
that brought Guyana back from
bankruptcy.
I believe I believe it was the honorable
me minister on Walrand
who read this morning
from the 1993 budget quoted from the
1993 budget speech when more than 100%
of government revenue was being utilized
to service our debts
>> and it is a previous people's
progressive party civic government that
has brought us back
>> from the bankruptcy in which the PN C
had placed us.
>> That's where you taking us.
>> Mr. Speaker, today Guyana's debt to GDP
ratio is the second lowest in the
Western Hemisphere thanks to prudent
fiscal management by the People's
Progressive Party.
When countries around the hemisphere and
around the world have a debt to GDP
ratio, have debt to GDP ratios that
exceed 100%.
And in even more cases that exceed 16,
17, and 80%. Guyana's debt to GDP ratio
at the end of 2025 was 28.6%.
Like I said, the second lowest in the
Western Hemisphere,
>> Mr. speaker and the same applies to debt
service our debt service to revenue
ratio
Mr. Speaker in 2025 compared to the one
more than 100% that Minister Walrun
referred to in 1993 in 2025 the debt
service to revenue ratio in Guyana was
5.53%.
Coming from a position where we were
spending more than 100% of our revenue,
we are now spending 5.5% of government
revenue to serve to service our debt.
And at the same time, sir, we are
investing aggressively to transform our
country for the long term.
>> Let's build.
>> And at the same time, sir, we are
improving and expanding social services.
That, Mr. Speaker, that sir is prudent
and responsible economic management.
>> But the honorable member doesn't want to
hear that.
The honorable member instead, Mr.
speaker
believes that he can continue in the
tradition
of distorting the facts and distorting
and misrepresenting the truth to present
a false and inaccurate picture to the
people of Guyana. But these are
different times, sir.
But honorable minister, you're imputing
now, right?
>> I withdraw, sir. I'll be guided by you,
sir. I withdraw.
The honorable member made much ado sir
about the performance of the non well he
gave this absolutely astonishing he made
this point sir about the rate of growth
and he made the point that we were
growing at 46% and we are now growing at
16%.
Mr. Speaker,
when you start at one
and you grow by one to two, you're
growing by 100%.
>> When you grow from two to three,
you're no longer growing by 100%. You're
now growing by 50%.
When you grow from three to four,
>> you're no longer growing by 100% or 50%.
You're now growing by 33%.
>> When you grow from four to five, you're
still growing.
>> Your your economy is still growing by
the same absolute level, but your rate
of growth as you grow on a larger base,
your rate of growth will decline. Mr.
speaker. That is not rocket science.
>> It's not rocket science.
It is not brain surgery. It's not even
frying chicken. It's basic arithmetic.
>> It's basic arithmetic.
>> It's basic arithmetic.
>> Mr. Speaker,
the same the honorable member
speaks of the non- oil economy.
Sir,
we know
>> that apart from the services sector,
>> Guyana has a very important non-oil
extractive sector.
>> We have gold,
>> we have boxite,
>> we have other minerals, we have quarry
stone and sand, etc.
>> Mr. Speaker, just like I believe it was,
I don't recall who it was on their side,
the honorable member cited when the gold
industry was declaring 700,000 ounces
during the AP and UFC period.
>> Get your numbers right.
>> Mr. Speaker, that declaration was thanks
to large scale operators that the
People's Progressive Party brought to
Guyana
and Troy.
>> The all member cited AGM and Troy that
the PVP brought to Guyana
>> that they inherited
>> that were producing gold thanks to them
becoming to Guyana thanks to the
People's Progressive Party and he cites
that as the big example. Mr. Speaker,
this matter has been ventilated on so
many occasions previously.
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> the honorable member turns to boxite.
>> The honor member turns to boxite.
Sir,
>> sir, sir. When the People's Progressive
Party
When the People's Progressive Party
When the People's Progressive Party
demitted office in 2015,
boxite was being produced in the Borby's
River
>> and more than a thousand persons were
working at the boxite mines in Barbies.
I believe it was the honorable minister
Ben Vessa Ben who spoke of the fact that
people from it, Quaani, Lynen, New
Amsterdam were working were working in
the boxite industry in Barbese River.
>> Mr. Speaker,
Mr. Speaker,
>> the PNC
who the honorable member now represents
in parliament is the party that sat
down.
Well, I don't know if he at that time
was with well, Anug, I guess, didn't
exist at that time. I don't know who he
was with at that time.
>> Mr. Speaker, the honorable member who
now heads the atu contingent in this
house, Mr. Speaker,
>> honorable member,
>> Mr. speaker standing on forte but really
and truly is this is an honorable house
and the honorable anan pasad is saying
that he's leaving to go call canu on me
imputing to me to be a drug dealer I
don't believe that that's not the
standard of the house
>> honorable member I I didn't hear that
but if honorable member
is going to use that language please
desist
Honorable Minister,
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> Mr. Speaker, and let me be crystal clear
>> that this People's Progressive Party,
Civic
Party and in government, whether in
government or in opposition. We were in
opposition at that time. We would always
stand on the side of the working people
of Ghana.
>> Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker, the PNC sat
down and allowed the Barbies boxite
operations to be closed,
>> allowed th hundreds of workers, more
than a thousand workers to be put out of
work.
Even if there were labor
>> issues
instead of addressing well, they didn't
have a ministry of Did they have a
ministry of labor?
>> We don't care about the people.
>> Did they have a ministry of labor?
They care at they didn't have a ministry
of labor.
>> Ministry,
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> Mr. Speaker, they didn't have a ministry
of labor. So, I don't know if that is
what paralyzed them.
>> I don't know if that paralyzed them, but
m Mr. Speaker, whether because they had
shut down the Ministry of Labor or for
whatever reason, they sat down and
allowed those people to be put out of
work. Those people were Lindeners. They
came from Iuni and Quani. They came from
New Amsterdam and elsewhere in the
Borbis River. They were all put out of
work because of the PNC, the APNU and
AFC in government at the time.
>> Mr. Speaker, this People's Progressive
Party
>> will bring back an investor to resume
boxside production in the Barbies River.
And we will work sir.
>> We have already worked with the
investors sir to have methological grade
boxite produced in Lynen. And this year
sir in Lynden we will exceed 4 million
tons of boxite in Lynen. Hundreds more
lyneners are employed today in the
boxite industry that were employed. More
than five about 500 more lindoners are
employed. that 500 Lynen families
are employed in the boxite industry than
were employed in 2020 in the boxite
industry as a result of us creating an
investorfriendly environment in Lynden
and they wonder Mr. Campbell wonder sir
no amount of jack in the box jumping up
and down like a jack in the box will
compensate for the fact that he is part
of a callous honorable minister we also
have
like a
in one of the um words phrases that we
don't use I had to caution the like a
foul remember certainly sir I I would be
guided by you. I withdraw. I think they
>> whatever the whatever I I I I withdraw,
sir. And I'm perfectly happy to move on.
No amount of
histrionics.
No amount of histrionics sir will
compensate for the fact will will remove
or erase or alter the fact that it is
the PMC the AP and U AFC as they were
then known that presided over the
collapse of the boxite industry hurting
Lindeners and hurting people of New
Amsterdam and people of the Borbis river
>> no amount of history Mr. Speaker will
rewrite that history
>> honorable member Mr. Campbell
>> yeah Mr. Speaker, I I'm standing on 40A.
It was the Burbese the Russell company
to which referred who fired their own
workers at um on on the Burbese River
and left Guyana taking out their
equipment. At no point did the
government fire anyone. And he's
imputing to the government at that time
something that they did not cause. Sir,
>> if the honorable minister has evidence
to the contrary, I'm challenging him to
produce it now. Sir,
>> honorable honorable member, Mr.
Campbell.
>> This one is very hard for me to rule on
having been involved
as Minister Labor in that dispute which
started a little while and had many
actors
at that time then inherited by Minister
Gopal and then
a Department of Labor. So, it's a
difficult one. Um, from where I was,
there is a lot of credibility to the
position taken by the honorable minister
cuz I was there in cabinet too.
>> Absolutely.
>> Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
Suffice it, sir, to say.
Honorable Minister, I was about to say,
suffice it to say, I was even called
racist by some actors.
>> Well, there you go, sir.
>> Mr. Speaker, thankfully, sir, we have
the benefit of your prior experience in
this matter, as we do on so many other
matters where we get the benefit of your
wisdom and experience.
Suffice it to say, sir, that it was the
AP and U AFC who were in government.
>> Mr. Speaker, I'm standing on 40 again.
>> Go ahead. Honorable member.
>> Mr. Speaker, you have pointed out that
this matter was complex and started when
you were minister of labor, then passed
on to the honorable Enk Gopal when I
think he was minister of labor and then
would have passed on to whosoever
succeeded him at the um in the APN AFC.
So this was a matter the issue of poor
industrial relations precede.
>> Okay. You're treading on grounds which
you don't have firsthand knowledge but
the honorable minister was making a
particular point and um I need to allow
him to complete because of the facts
that I know. Right.
>> Mr. Speaker, I was in fact about to move
on. I was simply going to make the
point. Sir, all that I was going to say,
suffice it to say that it was the AP and
U AFC who were in government at the time
that the Barbies River boxite operations
were closed down and people were put out
of work. That is all that. Now, I
understand that that is a government
that said government is not responsible
for creating jobs. So, I can understand
why they probably felt it's not their
problem and if the people are in work or
not, it's not their problem. I can
that's a different matter. But all all
that I was going to say is that at the
time that the Barbies River boxite
operations were closed down, it is the
AP and UFC that were in government and
who therefore either by action or
inaction presided as the incumbent
government over a situation that saw
nearly a thousand GY families put out of
income.
>> And that is in the boxite industry. Not
to mention all that has been all that is
widely known about the sugar industry.
And Mr. Speaker, I could go on for a
very long time
on various matters.
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> Mr. Speaker, much ado, much ado, sir,
>> was made of an IDB report
>> that cites a poverty statistic.
>> Uhhuh.
>> Go to that one,
>> Mr. Speaker.
The 58%
>> Mr. Speaker, the 58%.
>> Mr. Speaker, the report is unambiguous.
On page 41, it has an appendix that is
headed up, appendix, tables, and
figures.
And the title of that appendix, it's
appendix table A O A
surveys analyzed by country and it lists
the countries and it says for Guyana
source bureau statistics
survey labor force survey years
2016 to 2018,
2021.
For those who need to be reminded,
the period 2016 to 2018 fell squarely
during the APNU AFC's tenure in
government
and 2021 was in the heart of the coid9
shutdown.
Mr. Speaker, the report is clear. paid
41
2016 to 2018. So that poverty statistic
that they were trottting out
>> is an app new AFC legacy.
>> It's an app new AFC legacy. It says it
here clearly. The report is titled 10
findings about poverty in Latin America
and the Caribbean. It's published by the
IDB as working paper num IDB WP01644.
It's dated November 2024.
And on page 41, it says that the survey
analyzed for Guyana period
>> was the labor force survey for 2016 to
2018 and 2021 when we were in the in the
depths of COVID 19.
>> We told them the two over there.
>> No, no, no, no. I on this I rarely
disagree with my cabinet colleagues.
>> I rarely disagree with my cabinet
colleagues. It did not fry over their
heads. Honorable minister Ali.
>> This is a pattern of behavior.
>> This is a pattern of behavior.
>> Selective choosing of information. And
I'm putting the whole box.
>> Selective interpretation.
>> Selective quotation.
Chronic and bareface distortion.
Correct.
>> This is a pattern of behavior.
>> Correct.
>> Misleading the country. But guess what,
Mr. Speaker, the people, you know, they
say now,
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> honorable member,
>> Mr. Camp,
>> I I'm forced to stand again because the
honorable minister said chronic dis 40
acuted
chronic distortion. That would be to
everyone including myself who would have
cited the 58%. That's the bit that's the
latest available evidence that we have
on poverty in Guyana. And and and the
reason sir the reason sir that there is
not a more upto-date is because the the
the PPP government did not submitted the
necessary data for an updated report.
>> Okay. You stood on a point of order. Uh
if you want explanation
I will have to ask permission for the
honorable member to take his seat but I
want to rule on the point of order but
chronic distortion. I sat for 5 days and
here that we have 58% and 32%.
uh
>> and made out as if that is
>> in existence now.
>> No, no reference to the data and I'm
happy I'm hearing when the data was
pulled from. Go ahead, honorable
minister.
>> Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
Thank you very much, M. Thank you very
much, Mr. Speaker. And with your
permission and approbation, sir, I will
repeat
that while speaker after speaker on that
side repeated that statistic, not one of
them chose to turn to page 41 and
disclose that the data related to 2016
to 2018 period.
>> Not one of them. And once again sir
further on this matter I say not
>> Mr. speak. In addition to that,
>> in addition to that, sir,
I know right now,
>> in addition to that, sir, in addition to
that, sir, there is something called
basic common sense.
>> There's something called basic common
sense.
>> Mr. Speaker, this report explains that
it is measuring poverty during the APU
period. Admittedly,
it is measuring poverty against a
particular poverty line.
Mr. Speaker, that poverty line is
defined on page three.
It the section called methods.
And in that method section, it describes
the analytical approach
and it describes the poverty lines that
are used in this document.
>> Sir, let me quote
quote from the report. The report says,
and I quote, we use two poverty lines
for this paper.
Rather than constructing new lines, we
draw on lines already monitored by the
World Bank.
For extreme poverty, we use the cutoff
of $3.65
US
per capita per day, which the World Bank
defines as the median poverty line for
lower middle inome countries. TBA atal
2022.
I further quote sir that moderate
poverty refers to individuals living
with an income between $3.65
per day and $6.85
per day where US $6.85 per day is
defined by the World Bank as the median
poverty line for upper middle inome
countries.
Mr. Speaker,
if we take the moderate poverty line
of $6.85
per day, let us round that up. My arith
my arithmetic is not what it used to be
when I was younger. Let us round it up
for for convenience to seven US dollars
per day. And let us use again for
arithmetic convenience 200 to one. $7 US
per day at 200 to1 is 1,400 Ghana
dollars. Mr. Speaker, I challenge the
honorable member to find anybody in
Guyana working for 1400,400 Ghana
dollars per day. I challenge him to find
anybody working for or willing to work
for $1,400 per day. Unskilled laborers,
sir.
>> Unskilled. And everybody knows this.
$8,000 a day.
>> Everybody in Guyana knows this that an
unskilled laborer
>> $8,000 a day
>> does not come out of his bed and does
not leave his yard for less than
>> Minister Edel says $8,000 Ghana dollar a
day.
Sir,
>> common sense would tell you
>> common sense would tell you,
>> sir, that you can't get any. Nobody is
working for that amount of money in
Ghana. Nobody.
>> Nobody.
>> Sir,
>> if the honorable member can find people
who are working at that rate and willing
to work at that rate, bring them and we
will pay them.
>> We will employ them.
But but Mr. Speaker, it is convenient
to continue to repeat the
misrepresentation.
>> And it is this convenient and now
ingrained habit of misrepresentation. I
like I said could go on and on. We have
a labor market survey sir that has shown
how incomes have risen and how
employment has grown and how
unemployment has been h haveved and cost
>> sir and how unemployment has been h
haveved
>> sir
Mr. Speaker that survey is publicly
available and many members quoted from
it
>> Mr. speaker. But it is this chronic
habit,
>> it is this chronic habit of selective
citation of statistics, whether accurate
or otherwise
that has been displayed for a very long
time by the APNU, AFC, the PNC,
>> that has resulted now in their complete
and abject loss of credibility with the
people of Guyana. And that has directly
resulted in them being consigned to 12
seats in the backbenches.
There is a direct nexus because today
sir because today sir the gy people are
much wiser.
>> They are much wiser.
>> They are much much wiser sir.
With the result, sir, with the result,
sir, that as others have said before me,
those
who
for one reason or another
could not, of course, the People's
Progressive Party won a very solid
majority,
but we are a democracy and people are
free to choose and we will always
protect and defend agenda. And there are
some who are still not prepared to
choose the People's Progressive Party
and we will continue to work to win
their hearts and minds and we will win
their hearts and minds.
But sir, there are some
who are dieh hard PNC and they can't
bring themselves to vote for the PPP.
But Mr. Speaker,
in 2025, they decided that they did not
want to have anything to do with the PNC
any longer. And they walked away from
the PNC. And you saw it, Mr. Speaker, in
Lynden. You saw it in Georgetown. You
saw it in New Amsterdam. And you saw it
in villages throughout the length and
breadth of Guyana. And the tragic the
tragic reality sir is that they still
have not learned their lesson.
They still have the the same behavior
>> mindset
>> the same behavior continue. Mr. Speaker,
imagine
>> imagine
>> imagine that tens of thousands of those
people got to do with the budget.
>> It has everything to do with the budget.
>> Correct? because tens of thousands of
those people
>> preferred to walk away from the PNC
>> and walk towards a party headed by an
individual who is subject to
international sanctions.
>> Can you imagine that?
>> They walked away from you.
>> They walked away from you.
>> They w You love the Lindoners, but the
Lindoners discarded you. our country.
>> You love the Lindoners, but you did
nothing for the Lyneners and they
discarded you.
>> They discarded you
>> and they prefer to go and walk away to a
new brand new political entity headed by
an internationally sanctioned individual
>> rather than vote for the PNC.
>> Well, the PM well the PPP won 36 seats.
U12
resources
>> the PNC 136 the PPP the PPP 136 seats
you scrape home with 12
>> under your supervision must be flagged
to the election
>> Mr. Speaker
Mr. speaker.
>> And so, sir,
>> and so, sir,
>> tens of thousands of people, some came
to the People's Progressive Party
>> and the rest of them went to win.
>> That that's the reality. That's what
happened in
>> associating themselves and in fact, Mr.
speaker jeopardizing themselves.
>> Jeopardizing themselves,
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> jeopardizing themselves, sir,
>> jeopardizing themselves
>> by associating themselves now with a
party headed by a sanctioned individual.
Mr. Speaker,
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> have And I turn now, sir, to the leader
of the opposition.
>> I turn now, sir, to the leader of the
opposition.
>> And having listened to the presentation
>> by the leader of the opposition,
>> go ahead, Ashley.
Having listened to the leader of the
opposition,
>> having listened to the reading lessons,
>> now that you finish with me, I go
you want to come.
That's why we love our name.
>> The leader of the opposition
combine opposition.
>> That's how chickens behave.
>> That's how chickens behave.
and I'll be following you online.
>> I expected better of you, Honorable
Mahipal. Be careful who you follow.
>> Be careful who you follow online.
>> Be careful who Be careful about
following the night watchman.
>> Be careful about following the night
watchman or the T-baller.
Mr. Speaker, I turn now, sir, to the
leader of the opposition. And sir
>> sir,
I believe
that
we really are at a very important point,
a very importantly
been decimated and discarded,
consigned to the dust bins of historic
irrelevance.
Some have come over to us and others
have sought refuge like I said by a new
political party founded by a sanctioned
individual.
Mr. Speaker,
it is very important and but in doing
so, sir,
are willing or were willing
knowingly or unwittingly
to jeopardize themselves
by this association.
Mr. Speaker, I wish sir to quote
from
the US Treasury Department press release
issued sir
on June 11th, 2024
on the matter of the sanctions.
That press release said it started
today. The Department of the Treasury's
Office of Foreign Assets Control, OFAC,
sanctioned members of one of Guyana's
wealthiest families.
Nazar Muhammad and his son Azrad
Muhammad,
their company Muhammad's Enterprise,
etc., etc.
It goes on to indicate other parties who
were sanctioned
including business entities
namely Hadi's world team Muhammad's
racing team
etc.
It details sir
the offenses
committed
and it says amongst other things that
between 2019 and 2023
Muhammad's enterprise omitted more than
10,000
kilograms of gold
>> from import and export declarations
and avoided paying paying more than 50
million in duty taxes to the government
of Guyana.
It goes on further to say
that OFAC is designating Azreed and
Muhammad's enterprise
for being persons who have materially
assisted,
sponsored or provided financial,
material or technological support for
goods or services to or in support of
corruption including the
misappropriation of state assets.
the expropriation of private assets for
personal gain,
corruption related to government
contracts, or the extraction of natural
resources or bribery that is conducted
by a foreign person.
And it continues,
Mr. Speaker, subsequently
our country was regailed with the news
of an unsealed United States District
Court indictment
on the said
Azraine Muhammad.
And in that unsealed indictment, it said
that the named individual
did knowingly, and I quote, did
knowingly and with the intent to further
the objects of the conspiracy,
combine, conspire, confederate, and
agree with each other and others known
and unknown to the grand jury
to commit offenses against the United
States.
That is to knowingly and with intent to
defraud, devise, and intend to devise a
scheme and artifice
to defraud and to obtain money and
property by means of materially false
and fraudulent premises,
representations, and promises. knowing
that the pretenses, representations and
promises were false and fraudulent when
made
etc etc
including
in connection with interstate and
foreign commerce and it goes on.
Mr. Speaker, it spoke about a conspiracy
by the defendants in quotes to
unlawfully enrich themselves
and defraud the government of Guyana in
connection with taxes and loyalties and
royalties.
It spoke about offenses committed in the
United States of America,
coordinated with company one via
electronic communications between Guyana
and Miami to transport gold sold by
Muhammad's Enterprise from Guyana to
Miami and Dubai via Miami.
and in connection with those shipments
that the defendants caused payments to
company one from bank accounts in Guyana
to the southern district of Florida. It
goes on to speak of company two whom the
defendants caused to ship empty wooden
boxes,
Mr. Speaker, with seals from gold
buyers. It goes on, sir,
to state that the defendants reused
empty boxes with intact GR and Guyana
gold board seals. empty boxes
>> for shipments of gold to make it appear
that Muhammad's enterprise had paid
Guyana taxes and royalties on shipments
of gold
when in truth and in fact Muhammad's
enterprise had not paid them on those
shipments of gold.
It spoke of shipments through Miami with
at least 10,000 kg of gold
resulting in a loss to the GY
authorities of approximately $50 million
US.
And it spoke of the defendants using
those proceeds
for their own personal benefit.
Mr. Speaker,
it goes on sir to speak of conspiracy to
commit money laundering
and I quote from in or around 2017
and continuing through on or about June
11th, 2024 in Miami date county in the
southern district of Florida and
elsewhere.
The defendants did knowingly and
voluntarily
combine, conspire, confederate and agree
with each other and others known and
unknown to the grand jury to commit
offenses
etc etc in connection of course sir with
the offense of committing money
laundering. It spoke of the purpose of
the conspiracy.
It said that the purpose of the
conspiracy by the defendants was to
unlawfully enrich themselves
by engaging in a scheme to defraud
etc etc
Mr. Speaker
and I could go on sir but this is a
document it this document is publicly
available
Mr. Mr. Speaker, most people in Guyana
would read this document and be shocked
and horrified. They would want to know
if this is a movie they're watching.
>> They would want to know if this is a
movie they're watching.
>> Horror movie,
>> Mr. Speaker,
but this is not I mean this is these are
occurrences and events that are in most
in the minds of most gy
unfathomable unimaginable.
>> I should call the movie of the
>> Mr. Speaker,
I want sir, of course, as I simply
quoted sir from a public document and I
will defer obviously the attorney
general has addressed this matter in his
own presentation and he posed some
questions to the honorable leader of the
opposition which did not answer
>> which remain unanswered to date up or up
to now
>> and the matter is of course engaging the
attention
of of the court system.
So I will not sir
elaborate further on that matter. I have
infinite faith in the court system in
Guyana and I have no doubt that the
matter will be considered
and determined.
I wish sir because we we listened
we listened sir
to a presentation that would ordinarily
I think to most people appear on the
surface to be very convincing
because we heard the leader of the
opposition
espouse his
concern
for the ordinary gy citizen
the poor poor people of Guyana,
>> paragon of virtue.
>> He presented himself, sir, as the par as
indeed as a as a moral authority,
>> as a moral authority,
as a champion of the vulnerable in
Guyana. And if you looked at that
presentation on the surface, if you were
an outsider
or maybe even a Martian,
an outsider to our planet,
unfamiliar with what has been going on
on our planet and even in our country.
I can understand why you might be
mesmerized. You might be convinced.
>> Mesmerized.
>> Maybe not mesmerized. The reading did
get a little bit monotonous after a
while,
but I can understand why some may have
been or could be convinced.
But of course, Mr. Speaker,
you can't have committed these offenses
and not be
a very sophisticated,
even perhaps
manipulative individual.
You can't have committed these offenses.
And sir,
I don't wish like I said to
pronounce or express judgment or an
opinion on this matter. I will defer to
the courts of Guyana. But I want to
share with the people of Guyana
some extracts
from an article carried by the Guardian
which is a highly respected and this
article is not about the leader of the
opposition.
It's not about the leader of the
opposition of Guyana.
I want to read this article from the
Guardian.
The article is
headed up
well it's dated 29th of April 201
Sunday I believe 29th of April 2001
and it like I said was published by the
Guardian
and it's a two-part article
and that two-part article is called
Killing Pablo. Now I
I I'm a little bit uncomfortable with
the title, but I'm reading it as it is.
>> Which one of the Guardians? They got so
many Guardians newspapers all over.
>> Well, it's the Guardian.com, sir. It's
online as the guardian.com.
>> Okay.
>> www.theguardian.com.
But it's a story that has been widely
documented
>> all over the world. There are books and
movies. There are academic papers, there
are thesis
that have been written, thesis and
dissertations that have been written on
this very case.
Mr. Speaker, I want sir, I don't want
anybody to nod off. So, I don't want to
ask anybody to close their eyes
as they listen to this story.
I see the honorable minister Manik Chan
has her eyes wide open behind her
sunglasses
>> and we are hearing
>> and I'm not going to suggest that
anybody closes their eyes sir because
this is a matter that is so grave
that every single citizen of Guyana
>> should hear it
>> needs to listen to this story and needs
to keep their eyes very very wide open.
>> Sir,
this is what and like I said, there's a
reason why I said I don't want you to
close your eyes. You may close your eyes
and you may imagine that it is not an
individual called Pablo that the story
is about. And you may substitute for the
name Pablo,
>> any name that you believe might fit the
story. appropriate.
>> I'm I'm going to school today. I'm going
to school today. Try not. Let's go.
>> What appropriate?
>> I'm not suggesting any name, sir.
>> Mr. Speaker
in the preface the prefaratory paragraph
to the article.
The author
Mark Bowen, who coincidentally wrote a
book on this matter,
says, and I quote, "Colombian drug
baron,
playboy,
and politician
Pablo Escobar started out as a car thief
and became the world's seventh richest
man.
In the first of two extracts from his
new book, Mark Bowen explains how the
school teacher's son,
the son of an innocent school teacher,
would let nothing stand in his way,
not even the might of the United States
government.
The art
>> the teacher son is Pablo in this story
sir
the article reads as follows and I quote
again
as his fortune grew
and his fame spread
Pablo began tending his public image
conscientiously denying any official
connection to his illicit enterprises
and working hard to appear likable.
Although his reputation
terrified
even hardened Median criminals,
>> employing leftist rhetoric when it
suited his needs,
Pablo played upon popular resentment of
the established powers in Bogotaa
>> and the historically hard feelings
towards the United States.
It goes on, it gets very interesting,
sir.
It says, "Surrounded by bodyguards
and worshipful associates,
he had begun to see himself differently.
It wasn't enough anymore to have
succeeded on the streets of Medí
or to dominate the international drug
trade.
Somewhere along the way,
Pablo had begun to see himself as a
great man.
>> This story goes on.
Politics
was the next logical step. Oh.
>> Mhm.
>> In 1978,
>> it's like it's happening right here.
>> He was elected as a substitute city
council member in Medí.
He helped underwrite the presidential
campaign of President Betanor that year,
loaning the campaign planes and
helicopters
and also contributed liberally to the
campaign of Bettonor's rival Julio
Turbay.
So underwriting the campaign, loaning
planes and contributing liberally
to the rival as well.
>> We heard that tonight in the house. I I
don't know if this sounds familiar.
>> Somebody said they supported both sides
and as a businessman
heard that.
>> Mr. Speaker, the story goes on.
Two years later,
Pablo backed the formation of a new
national political movement. Movement.
>> Another movement.
A word, sir, that we heard
>> used with pride
>> right in this honorable house.
>> Wake up.
>> Two years later, Pablo backed the
formation of a new national political
movement,
etc., etc. In 1982, he ran for Congress
himself.
>> I read this. I read this book.
>> I witnessed it.
Mr. Speaker,
the story goes on. It said,
"So Pablo
became a congressman."
He became a congressman.
>> It was just a substitute position.
It was just a substitute position. I'm
not going to use the word shadow
position or
position on the other side or whatever
you want to call it. I'm quoting
faithfully from the article. It was just
a substitute position.
But the victory seemed precisely the
validation he had sought.
>> President
said, "Mr. Speaker, given the Colombian
constitution,
the post conferred automatic judicial
immunity.
So Pablo could no longer be prosecuted
for crimes under Colombian law. That's
of course Colombian law.
>> Not Chinese law.
>> Correct.
>> He was entitled to a diplomatic visa.
>> Wow.
>> Which he began using that year to take
trips with his family to the United
States. M
>> he paused in front of the White House
>> with his young son.
>> This is his normal story here.
>> And began enjoying for the first time
the mansions he had purchased for
himself in Miami.
Full stop.
>> Pablo had arrived. Full stop.
He told his friends
that he intended someday soon
>> be president
>> to be the president of Colombia
>> and people probably used to call him
president.
>> Yes.
actually it's interesting that you
should say that
>> because he founded the story continues
he founded his own newspaper
Medí civico of course that predated
social media
>> and social media pages
>> Facebook you remember
>> so in those days he founded his own
newspaper Medí civico
>> carries propaganda
>> which produced occasional fawn ing
profiles of its benefactor.
>> Yes, I remember him. One Escobar admirer
said in its pages, his hands almost
priestlike, drawing parabas of
friendship and generosity in the air.
The hands
>> drawing parabas of friendship and
generosity in the air. Yes, I know him.
his eyes weeping because there is not
enough bread for all of the nation's
dinner tables.
>> I have watched his tortured feelings
when he sees street children, angels
without toys, without a present, without
a fortune.
Pablo sponsored art exhibitions to raise
money for charity. He founded Medí
Without Slums, an organization that
sought to continue his housing programs
for the poor.
>> Oh,
>> somebody's been studying someone here.
>> He took walking tours of city slums.
>> Uhhuh.
>> With two local priests whose friendship
implied the blessings of the church.
>> Oh,
quarantine.
quarantine pastor
Philippi.
>> At this time,
he went to great lengths
to erase evidence of his more sorted
criminal past while still flaunting it
in private.
And he undertook an aggressive campaign
to be seen as a benevolent lawabiding
citizen.
>> Wow.
>> He hired publicists
>> and paid off journalists.
>> Sound familiar?
>> I'm reading, Mr. Speaker.
>> I'm reading, sir, from this article.
>> Mr. Speaker, with his election.
>> With his election,
>> Pablo became a popular public figure
>> to an increasingly admiring Bogotaa
press.
>> He became Colombia's own Robin Hood.
In April 1983,
>> the magazine Seana profiled him warmly,
noting only
that the sources of his wealth never
ceased to be the object of speculation,
>> waving his diamond and gold Rolex,
admitting to his ownership of a fleet of
planes and helicopters and vast real
estate holding things worldwide.
In the article, Pablo traced the origin
of his estimated5 billion US fortune
to a bicycle rental business which he
said he had started in Medí when he was
16 years old.
He went on to say
in quotes,
"I dedicated some years to the lottery.
Then I got into the business of buying
and selling cars and finally I ended up
in property." End of quote.
>> Mr. Speaker,
He and other narco kingpins
>> were at least for this brief period
popular heroes.
The embodiment of cool.
As glamorous as they were dangerous in
pop culture portrayals such as the TV
program Miami Vice, in real life,
Pablo played his role with panache.
Mr. Speaker, with panache.
Mr. Speaker,
>> Honorable James, Honorable James Bond
is smiling with what I believe is
familiar recognition.
>> Pablo played his role
with Panache.
>> Steven Flemings, James.
>> Mr. Speaker,
By 1984,
he was untouchable
>> in Medí.
He moved openly around the city,
attending bull fights and nightclubs,
throwing parties at his estates, all the
while officially a fugitive.
Popular and powerful, he had clearly
bought off the police and courts there.
and anyone who considered standing up
against him was marked for
assassination.
>> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Mr. Speaker,
and the story goes on
and it gets more and more gruesome.
Mr. Speaker,
further down the article,
Pablo was usually tipped off well in
advance of any effort to arrest him.
>> Wow.
>> And he had homes scattered throughout
the mountainous Medí area.
And Mr. Speaker,
this story continues
and tells the gruesome tale.
sir
of how this behavior continued
and continued
until sir
sir
sir
I I can't even bring myself to read all
of this article how gruesome it gets
but I'm seeing some parts here I think
that need to be mentioned.
Mr. Speaker, it says that he had bombed
or bribed just about every official in
Colombia,
but it was so clear that no one in
Bogotaa was going to cut a deal that
would jeopardize all important ties with
the United States government. So, what
do you think Pablo then decided to do?
Pablo then began trying to work some
influence in Washington.
He tried retaining
he had tried to retain a lobbying firm
>> managed by Henry Kissinger in an effort
to influence the Reagan administration.
and he retained a lawyer who worked in
the same firm as Jeb Bush, son of the
president-elect, hoping to eventually
persuade the younger Bush to approach
his father.
>> Both efforts failed,
Mr. Speaker, and this
I this is why I said it became gruesome.
>> No, no, no, no. The the honorable
attorney general is right.
>> There are some gory and gruesome
>> attorney general.
>> Mr. Speaker, there are some gruesome and
gory details to this story that I am
terrified to read. I don't even want to
read them.
>> There are some gory and gruesome details
to this story.
>> Bomb the plane.
>> Bomb the plane carrying civilians.
>> A commercial flight.
>> Did you say bomb the plane?
>> Bomb the plane. Bombed an Avianka
commercial flight.
>> Bombed the plane.
>> I remember that.
>> Bombed a commercial Aviana flight.
>> Gruesome. Mr. Speaker,
>> killing 110 people on the plane.
>> Mr. Speaker,
it was an act of audacious cruelty.
>> And Mr. Speaker, it is these atrocities
that would prove ultimately to be fatal
mistakes.
They made Pablo
enemies who were far more powerful than
any he had faced before.
Downing a commercial airliner
was an attack on global civilization.
It meant that Pablo now posed a direct
threat to American citizens.
And it goes on.
Mr. Speaker,
this is a terrifying story.
It's a terrifying story
and
I it would it is not my want sir to
superimpose
any parallels
direct or indirect obvious or obscure
>> to this story.
But I ask all Gy people
through you sir
while keeping your eyes wide open to
close your eyes and ask yourself if this
story sounds familiar.
>> If it rings a bell
>> it started
>> very familiar. We sir,
>> alarm,
>> we sir are at an extremely important
juncture
in our country's history.
And sir,
just like in the case of Pablo,
tragically sir, it is the most
vulnerable
who are being exploited
in pursuit of a very narrow personal
effort
to save oneself.
to save oneself.
>> And I I felt I felt sad, Mr. Speaker.
>> I felt sad as I sat here and listened to
the leader of the opposition speak.
>> Read
>> or read because he too is a young
Chinese person. And I asked myself,
how did he end up here?
in this situation
and
I went beyond. Sir, I thought of all of
the innocent people
who are being seduced,
recruited and seduced into this effort
with no thought of consequence
>> for them.
with no thought of consequence for them,
sir,
who are being recruited and seduced with
one objective in mind. Mr. Speaker, if
the honorable leader of the opposition
is innocent, then let the court process
proceed and let him prove his innocence,
as I'm sure he will endeavor to do,
>> if he could,
>> if he could.
>> But tragically, Mr. Speaker,
tragically, sir,
the leader of the opposition has chosen
to ensnare everybody,
all the members of his family,
innocent, poor people, vulnerable
people, recruiting them by whatever
means
to this quote unquote political movement
with one might speculate the hope that
somehow this will protect him.
Mr. Speaker,
the tale of Pablo
is a cautionary tale.
It's a cautionary tale.
And we have a duty as rightthinking Gy
citizens and there are many the
overwhelming majority of Gy citizens are
rightthinking.
We have a duty Mr. Speaker. It will not
happen. The court process will go its
way
and will continue and will reach its
eventual
its eventual culmination or conclusion
and so will he.
Mr. Speaker, but at some point in time,
at some point in time, those innocent
people
who
got disenfranchised with the PNC, didn't
feel that they could come with the PPP
ended up over there. Some of them had a
grouse. Some of them felt they were
treated badly. Some of them couldn't
bring themselves to vote for the PPP,
ended up over there. At some point in
time, sir, they will be left high and
dry. I and
>> high and dry.
>> Answer
one of their front benches,
a shadow minister, no less
in her innocent delusion
said that even when they carry he, the
money was still there.
>> We all recall that statement
>> that even when they carry he
I'm not calling any names sir
said that even when they carry he the
money go still there
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> we know who
>> Thankfully, sir. Thankfully, sir,
thankfully
the Gy people are a lot wiser than to
allow ourselves to go too far down this
road.
>> And the education you're giving them
tonight is helping.
>> They may not always be happy with the
People's Progressive Party.
We may not always get it right.
Out of 10 things, we probably do eight
very well. We probably do one reasonably
well. And number 10, we probably do not
so well.
We will not always get it right.
But we get the overwhelming majority of
things right. Yeah.
>> And we will continue to spend every
single day,
every single day, Mr. Speaker, not only
this week and this month,
>> every day,
>> every day for the next 5 years,
>> to ensure
that the people of Guyana see steady and
sustainable improvements in their lives
and to ensure that our country does not
end up down the abysmal path
of becoming
>> Pablo Republic.
captured
by Pablo and the likes of Pablo.
>> Mr. Speaker,
we commit ourselves to doing that work
in order to protect our country and to
protect the GY people.
There are some who for the short term
may have been convinced for one reason
or another
that
they would like to be over there.
But we in the People's Progressive Party
have infinite faith in the soundness of
the judgment of the GY people.
And so I say with the greatest of
respect I say with the greatest of
respect to the leader of the opposition
and I'm saying this publicly.
I say with the greatest of respect to
the leader of the opposition
through you sir
prove your innocence in court
as is your right. Prove your innocence
in court.
But through you again, sir, I beg of the
leader of the opposition, do not ensnare
innocent, vulnerable GY people in this
effort to save yourself.
If you are innocent,
you will prove that innocence,
but do not ensnare poor innocent GY
people.
It is the most
I don't want to use an inappropriate
word sir
but it is an extremely alarming
exploitation.
It's a heart. It's a We have seen callus
in Guyana before, particularly from the
PNC. We have seen mercilessness.
But this is a particularly callous
effort
to ensnare and endanger people.
to ensnare and endanger people
>> with purely selfish objectives
>> purely selfish objectives
so I say sir on behalf of this people's
progressive party civic government that
we don't want we are working hard we're
trying to build a modern Guyana and we
spent the whole of the last week
speaking about the modern Guyana that
we're building
have we saw solved every problem
already. We haven't.
We're working every day to solve
problems.
>> That's what we do.
>> That's what we do. That is what
responsible governments do.
And we have been very clear sir that the
Guyana that we are building
is not a Guyana where
anybody will have to sit around waiting
for a Pablo
or a Pedro
or whatever you might want to call him
to come along to give them a small piece
>> or whatever. whatever you want to call
them. The Guyana that we are building,
sir,
>> is a Guyana where every single Gy person
will be able
to get a good quality education and
training so that they can take care of
themsel
to be able to get a good quality job so
that they can earn for themsel.
>> To be able to become a homeowner on
their own so they don't depend on
anybody to go and build a house for
them. and then own them for the rest of
their lives
>> and be able to ensure them in some
inappropriate enterprise.
>> The Guyana that we're building is a
Guyana where everybody, every family
having become homeowners will be able to
own their own car,
will be able to educate their children,
will be able to live more comfortably.
And we are seeing that
>> Mr. Speaker, in every single social
indicator,
number of students attending high
school, number of students passing
examinations,
access to improved health care. Of
course, obviously, not every problem has
been solved in the education sector, the
health sector. But nobody can stand up
with a straight face and say that the
quality of health care and the quality
of education they get today is vastly
superior. vastly
>> vastly superior to what they benefited
from 5 years ago. Nobody can say that
with a straight face.
>> I'm looking for a PNC doctor though.
>> Mr. Speaker,
>> a Spanish speaking one, you got to speak
Spanish.
>> Mr. Speaker, we have taken the position.
Whatever your political orientation
might be,
if you want training to become a doctor
or nurse,
We encourage, we train you for free.
>> Yes.
>> And you are guaranteed a job when you
finish the training.
>> We are increasing the places for medical
training
so that you can access training in the
medical sciences in regions two and six
and elsewhere.
>> We recognize that we need engineers and
we want young boys and girls to become
engineers. And we have said you must not
only be able to become an engineer by
coming to Tain to Turkine campus or to
Tain campus. Well in fact you couldn't
do engineering at Tain campus. We have
said we will now deliver engineering in
regions two in region six and elsewhere
region three.
You can't come to the course to have
access to university education.
We will deliver it to your home in your
village through the gold scholarship
program.
>> We're doing that.
>> You can't come to the coast or you live
in the hinderland and you are not well
and it's a small village that doesn't
have a big hospital. We will diagnose
you using teley medicine
and on the basis of di that diagnosis we
will treat you.
>> This sir is the guy that we're building.
Yes,
>> you historically never used to get water
in your village. We will sink a well and
we will build a water distribution
system. You historically never used to
have access to electricity. We will
deliver a a solar panel and a household
unit. If you are too far away from a
mini grid and if you're living in a
heavily populated community, we will
build a mini grid for you in your
community.
Mr. speaker. They came, they trotted out
all week
and said,
well, in fact, the leader of the
opposition today said putting people
last. I think he said that with a lot of
mirth and amusement.
>> He wants to be put first.
>> He's the only one that must come first,
>> sir.
To all of the children,
to all of the children who will be
enjoying improved access to quality
education in the more than 100 newly
constructed modern schools across the
country and who will benefit from the 40
additional schools that we are building
right now. We are putting those children
first.
their parents who no longer have to buy
textbooks.
Their teachers who no longer have to
worry about buying basic school
necessities because we're giving school
grants, we are putting those teachers
and those parents first.
Mr. Speaker,
the 14,000 children whose parents no
longer have to shoulder the full cost of
CC and Cape
>> we are paying that
>> we are paying the exam for you.
>> So no child will be told you cannot
write eight subjects because your
parents can't afford to pay the fees.
>> Yes.
>> And all of us know Mr. speaker of
children who in a previous era could not
write the number of C-section subjects
that they were able to write simply
because their parents could not afford
it. All of us know children who could
have gone on to do Cape but whose
parents chose not to. They were
brilliant children capable of going on
to Cape. Capable of winning
scholarships, doing well at Cape and
winning the scholarships that would come
with topping the country at Cape but did
not go on to write Cape because their
parents could not afford to send them.
And we are saying to you, we will pay
for the cape. We will pay for the CET.
We will put the textbooks in the
schools. We will give you a cash grant.
Every single child, $85,000 a month.
$85,000 a year. Sorry.
We will give you the because we care
cash grant $85,000 a year.
The a cash grant incidentally, which was
taken away
by the AP and UFC. We restored it. We
have increased it. We've added a
transportation grant. And when you add
the uniform grant, it comes up to the
very respectable sum of $85,000 a year
for every single child.
So when you say the budget has nothing
for anybody, tell that to the parents of
those children.
And their solution, they can't even
figure out what their solution. Some of
them say we will increase the cash grab.
BS.
>> Some of them say 5Bs. Bring back the 32
dilapidated buses.
>> Not to mention the fact that we have
been distributing
providing buses to in remote
communities.
>> Mr. Speaker in the public health care
system the people who will enjoy
worldclass care at Lima the Kendran
diamond and more bath number 75 village
modern hospitals
>> and there's no denying if you visit
those hospitals I had the privilege of
visiting the number 75 village hospital
not so long ago I was in Barbies as I am
frequently
a brand new hospital staffed
by specialist doctors including highly
talented and highly qualified Gion
doctors.
>> All of those patients who are going to
benefit from that that world class
healthcare sir
>> 38,000
>> they don't count
>> benefited.
>> You have 38,000 who have already
benefited.
>> Yes.
You have hundreds of elective surgeries
and emergency surgeries that have been
done.
>> The hearing aids that we will
distribute, the assistive aids that we
will distribute,
the more than 90,000 old age pensioners
who will receive an increased pension,
they're not going to be benefiting from
this budget, Mr. Speaker.
And so we have listened,
Mr. Mr. Speaker, and I could go on in
every sector, in the farming
communities,
the sugar workers who will continue to
be able to work in the sugar industry as
we continue to strive to modernize the
industry and make it vibrant,
competitive, they don't count.
>> The rice farmers who would continue to
benefit from our extension services and
our support with patty and fertilizer,
they don't count.
the cash crop farmers
who will benefit from the hopeike canals
that we are building to make sure that
the risk of flooding is minimized and we
are building those hopeike canals in
region in in region six in region five
and in region three.
>> Yes, we are on the way
>> hopeike canals.
They don't count. The farmers who will
be planting the 100,000 plus acres of
new land that will be opening up for
cultivation. They don't count.
Well, Mr. Speaker, we count them.
>> And I can assure you, we will continue
to put all of those people first.
>> Who eat the food that the farmers make
here?
>> Mr. Speaker,
the infrastructure that we're building
out,
the roads
that for so long have been inadequate
to handle the rapidly growing traffic.
Many speakers on our side of the house
made reference to the fact that now in 3
months we import 9,9 10,000 basically a
whole series 9,999
motor vehicles are imported
within 3 months. Those are Gion families
becoming owners of their own
transportation.
And that didn't happen by magic, Mr.
Speaker. It didn't happen by magic. It
happened, Mr. speaker because very
simply it happened sir because
more of them are working
more of them are earning
more of them are in a position to go to
the bank and take a loan because they
now have an income they now have a
demonstrated accumulation of some amount
of savings in the bank they are
financially included
They are credit worthy.
>> Yes,
>> they have assets that they can pledge
and the banks consider them to be a good
credit risk.
>> Mr. Speaker, on that matter alone,
I can speak for hours,
sir,
if you look, Mr. speaker at the manner
in which private sector credit has
grown.
Mr. Speaker,
it's important that we understand what
is happening.
Mr. Speaker, credit by the banking
system
to households. We have to understand
what's going on. This n this 10,000 cars
every quarter didn't happen by magic.
The banks don't lend people who are not
earning or who don't demonstrate a good
credit risk. You have to have a good
credit risk because the banks are
lending other people savings.
Mr. Speaker,
at the end of 2019,
at the end of 2019,
or if you want to fast forward even to
the end of 2020, it doesn't matter.
either
uh benchmark will give you the same
result. At the end of 2020,
total credit by the banking system
for the purchase of motor cars
was $10 billion, $10.4 billion. The year
before it was 9.3.
Mr. Speaker, at the end of 2025,
total credit for the purchase of motor
cars is now a whopping 33.3
billion. More than three times what it
was in 2020. More than three times,
that is $33 billion have been lent to Gy
families
>> to put Mr. Speaker,
>> let us sir process. I know you of course
are a distinguished economist yourself.
So I know you will process these numbers
faster than most. Let us process for a
moment what has happened with private
sector credit just for the purchase of
motor vehicles. The banks in Guyana
have lent Gy households $33 billion,
meaning they have found enough Gy
borrowers who are sufficiently creditw
worthy, meaning they either had assets
that they could pledge and or they had a
stream of income that the bank was
satisfied will be able to repay the loan
to lend, Mr. Speaker, $33 billion to
Gian families to buy motorc cars.
>> Process that for a minute.
>> The answer, the reason, sir, is very
simple.
The reason is very simple. More Gy
people are working.
>> Yes.
>> More own their own home so they can
pledge their own their home or an asset
as a collateral.
More gy families have a level of
disposable income that demonstrates
creditworthiness.
>> They're there for a good credit risk and
the banks have confidence in them. The
banks as you know are very conservative
in Guyana.
So imagine even with this conservative
posture,
Mr. Speaker, this is reflected
everywhere. It's reflected in every
single sector.
It's reflected in every single sector.
Uh you Mr. Speaker, I could be here for
a very long time.
I could be here for a very long time.
Sir,
>> if you look at every category of vehicle
registration,
>> Mr. Speaker, if you look at private
sector credit and the manner in which
private sector credit on the whole has
increased,
Mr. Speaker, at the end of 2020, total
credit by the banking system amounted to
259
billion Ghana dollars. 259.8 billion
Ghana dollars. At the end of 2019, hold
that number 259.8,
Mr. Speaker, at the end of 2025, that
number which you will recall at the end
of 2020 was 259 billion. At the end of
2025, it is $531.8
billion.
More than double. More than double. And
it went to GY businesses in agriculture,
in mining, manufacturing, services.
Credit to household, Mr. Speaker, credit
to households has doubled.
At the end of 2019, credit to households
was 33.5 billion. It was 34.1 billion at
the end of 2020. At the end of 2025, it
is $66 billion.
These are not, Mr. Speaker, real estate
mortgages.
At the end of 2020, real estate
mortgages amounted to 90.6 billion. At
the end of 2025, real estate mortgages
amounted to $185 billion. That's crazy.
>> Double in five years. double.
And what's more, Mr. Speaker,
we want to make sure that every single
Gian who wants to set up a small
business,
>> we want them to be able to access
credit, access financing for their
business. Mr. President, Mr. Speaker,
>> our president,
>> our president
made an announcement that we will
establish anme development bank
>> 100 million US injected in this.
>> This budget includes a hundred million
US
>> and Mr. Speaker, we're going to use that
money to give small business loans
>> to small entrepreneurs, sir at zero
interest,
>> at zero collateral. We will not ask them
to pledge collateral and we will not
charge them any interest.
>> Finances. And what is more sir is we
will work with them to be able to to to
access additional financing with
commercial banks and we will work with
them at a concessional rate
and we have already described the
mechanism under which that will be done
that they can access up to another $7
million
and Mr. Speaker, our ultimate objective
is for them to graduate out of this
program and become small and
medium-sized entrepreneurs who can stand
on their own two feet.
>> And so, Mr. Speaker,
like I said, I could go on for a very
long time, but perhaps I will save some
of that for another occasion.
>> I will conclude, sir.
I will conclude sir
very simply
>> I will conclude sir very simply by
saying the following
>> we really are
>> we really are at a truly
historic moment in our country's history
>> in so many ways
>> in so many ways
and the people of Guyana are
demonstrating a greater sophistication
in their political judgments
>> than at any other time
>> in our country's history.
And we saw this
>> in 2025.
And Mr. Speaker, our pledge,
our pledge
to all Gian
is that not a single day will go by over
the course of the next 5 years.
Not a single day or a single hour will
go by over the course of the next 5
years that we led by our president will
not be working hard
to convince every single GY person those
who voted with us and will be and would
like to stay with us and those who for
whatever reason did not vote with us. We
will spare no effort in working hard to
convince you and to demonstrate to you
in an even more emphatic fashion than we
have done in the past that the People's
Progressive Party remains the vastly
superior alternative
amongst all competing if I might afford
them that portrayy amongst all competing
political alternatives.
Our manifesto spells out what we will
do. And as my colleagues have said
before me, budget 2026 represents the
first installment in the delivery of
that manifesto.
And the privilege is mine, sir, on
behalf of the people's progressive party
civic government
to thank everyone in this house who
contributed to this debate. not only my
colleagues on this side of the house,
>> but in fact even those on that side of
the house
>> to thank all of them for putting on
display once again to the gy people why
a vote for the people's progressive
party civic is a vote for Guyana and for
the gy people.
I am privileged sir
to commend budget 2020 to join my
colleagues in commending budget 2026 to
this honorable house and at the
appropriate time sir with your
permission I will be moving the relevant
motions to secure its passage. I thank
you very much sir.
Thank you very much honorable
senior minister in the office of the
president with responsibility for
finance the honorable Dr. Ashni Kumar
Singh.
Honorable members, the debate
has concluded today,
Saturday
the 7th of February,
2026.
Before we adjourn, sorry, suspend,
we will consider and dispose of the
report of the business subcommittee
of the committee of supply
and this is on the allocation of time
for the consideration of the 2026
estimates
of expenditure by the committee of
supply.
We will now go into committee of supply
for this purpose.
Sergeant arms will now put the mace
below the table.
And for the first time members going
through their budget process,
we're now going into committee of the
whole, the committee of supply to
consider the allocation of time for each
one of the heads, the ministries, and
the report
on those allocations by the business
subcommittee has been circulated.
So now the assembly is in the committee
of supply
and I wish to report
that the business subcommittee
of the committee of supply this
committee we met on Wednesday the 4th of
February 2026.
We consider the allocation of time for
consideration of the 2006 estimates
in this subcommittee
and pass the resolution
on this matter.
As I've said the copies of the minutes,
resolution and schedule has been
circulated have been circulated.
I now call on the honorable
senior minister
Dr. Singh
to move the
necessary motion.
Thank you very much Mr. Chairman. I now
sir move that this committee doth agree
with the business subcommittee in the
said resolution. Thank you very much
sir.
and the details of which are
uh included.
I now put a question that the committee
of supply
approve
of the resolution. Those in favor say I.
>> Those against say no. Eyes have it.
We have passed the resolution. Just want
to draw your attention. I think one of
the days we're going to go till 2:00
a.m.
>> on Thursday.
>> Well, we have allocated the time. We
just can't consider it now.
Let the assembly resume.
So we're back in
committee,
honorable members at this hour. Again, I
want to congratulate the honorable
senior minister for his almost
9 hours and 35 minutes of presentations
during these debates.
This is a good time to take the
suspension and we return on Monday at 2
p.m. Have a safe trip home. Good night.
Heat. Heat.
Everyone.
Heat. Heat.
Heat. Heat.
Heat. Heat.
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