Charlie Kirk "Racist"

this I mean really it's it's the Clyborn not wanting to vote the honor of Charlie

Kirk's legacy is a way of reigniting the affirmative action debate which by our

Supreme Court was determined illegal for colleges to utilize affirmative action.

Now in fairness the Supreme Court has shifted heavily to the right over the

past few years but it's still the Supreme Court. still the law of the

land. >> People, whether it be a race or gender,

not based on merit, but based on their race or gender, the obvious

should be clear to everyone, which is, is that person then qualified?

>> That's an obvious question. you. This is something that Elon Musk

brings up a lot as well is if we're using affirmative action style hiring in

uh medicine, for example, are people dying because potentially people with

lower qualifications are getting uh jobs as doctors or are getting into medical

school where potentially those with better grades and better qualifications

are getting overlooked because of somebody else that fills a racial quota.

Uh it's a reasonable argument to make. the the reason affirmative action

existed. I think this is worth bringing up. The reason affirmative action was

created, if you will, or thought up was that uh it was a principle of of of

fairness and equity. And the idea, which I sounds ironic, I know to many people

are like, "Oh, how is it fair to pick somebody because of the color of their

skin over somebody else?" I understand it. It takes a moment to really break

down why affirmative action existed in the first place. And and don't mistake

this for a defense of it. That's more of background acknowledgement so that you

know where my head is coming from when we talk about affirmative action.

Affirmative action really started because there's the idea that for

generations through the public lynching of black Americans, you know, through

the Jim Crow era in the 1890s through the 1950s, uh, and then redlinining

thereafter in real estate that black Americans have not been able to access

one of the single easiest ways and almost certain ways to build your wealth

in America, and that's home ownership. because you were discriminated and

segregated against uh in the Jim Crow era and publicly killed. And then in the

80s, you were redlined against, lenders wouldn't lend to you. Real estate agents

wouldn't show homes to you. Uh there was uh there there were blockbusting

principles where people would say, "Hey, blacks are moving into the neighborhood.

Quick, sell your house." Like that was a real estate sales tactic back in like

the 60s. uh where where agents would utilize a race moving into a

neighborhood to scare other people out of the neighborhood to get them to sell

like blockbusting, redlinining. These are all things that helped

diminish a black American's ability to build wealth. And unfortunately, when

you concentrate poverty and you limit the wealth of a racial group, you also

limit the potential educational achievement of that group of

individuals. So it becomes harder for example to pay for private school or an

advanced college uh or uh you know degree or whatever and so then you

continue this loop of a lack of educational achievement. Now should that

then well let I'll go in order here. So linearly that then gave rise to the idea

of okay well if you came from essentially a uh a disadvantaged

background then then it would only be fair to make it easier for you to have

access to advanced jobs or professions or schooling or education or whatever.

And I think that's where the debate sort of divides. Then the debate divides

into, okay, well, is it one thing to have affirmative action in education

where you allow people into, you know, you give people a chance to study

because they had lower grades. they so they get a chance to study at at

potentially a more prestigious university or do you potentially give

them the role as a doctor even though they had lower grades whereas somebody

doesn't have uh that advantage where they sort of get that leg up just

because of the color of their skin. Right? So then it goes to sort of

reverse racism where it's like okay well wait a minute like I get it you were

disenfranchised in the past but does that mean that I should be disen you

know disadvantaged because I was born you know white or whatever right that's

the problem and that's why this affirmative action situation has become

such a debate because it's on one hand affirmative action is a tool for trying

to provide equity to what has been an injustice for hundreds of years but then

it also to pay for that injustice robs people who are not minorities today and

also potentially then robs recipients of the best medical care. Right? So, it's

it's hard. Like I I I definitely understand both arguments

>> because because of the bar that the corporation itself set up by saying

publicly, we're going to do this type of DEI hiring. Then you have to wonder, is

it because of their race or their gender?

That's not what it is. Hold on. That's not what it is. Why would you have to

wonder about Yeah. I mean, why would you have to wonder that? The only reason you

would wonder that is if you're inclined to believe that no that nobody

>> can be qualified if they are black and brown going into No, that's that's not

true. It So, she's making the slippery slope argument. The slippery slope is

basically it's a logical fallacy where you argue the extreme. Okay. So, she's

going, "Oh, well, you're basically saying no black can qualify." No, that's

not what he's saying. That's not what anyone uh when it comes to affirmative

action or DEI is saying. What's being said, uh is that if you have a 3.8 GPA,

are you potentially getting in over somebody with say a 4.0 GPA because of

the color of your skin? So, it's on the margin. And then the question is if on

the margin we are uh you know giving positions to people who have slightly

lower scores because of their race. Does that mean medical care for example or

piloting as Jim Clyborn was talking about or whatever uh have slightly lower

proficiencies? That's the concern. And then of course the response to that is

oh well even suggesting that that's racist.

Well, is it or is it just responding to the data and the facts which are that

standards are different uh for uh for for minorities or have been and this is

one of the reasons we've seen such an anti-Dei push and why so many companies

have abandoned their DEI policies under the Trump administration probably

through pressure of sort of the might of the Trump administration. Right? It's

really difficult right now to stand in the face of the Trump administration

say, "Oh, we're going to, you know, we're going to do what we want and we're

not going to worry about uh, you know, your initiatives because that's going to

be a great way to destroy shareholder value." And ultimately, that is the

purpose of what companies exist for is to generate shareholder value. So,

that's tough, but it means DEI is dead under Trump for a while. Okay. All

right. So, now that we have that clarified, let's keep going. Also, but

here's one other here's one other thing that I I think is just a factual dispute

with what you're describing. >> You're suggesting that the standards are

lower for people of color filling these roles when there is absolutely the exact

opposite. No evidence exact opposite. >> No, no, but that's what you said. You

said, Hold on, Hogan. You said you said that they're they're they are only

getting these jobs because of their race or gender and not because they are

qualified. So, are they qualified or not?

>> That's not what I said. >> Are they qualified or not? What I said

was >> is a pilot sitting in a hold on Kogan.

Is a pilot sitting on an airplane flying a plane whether he's black or white or a

woman or gay or lesbian, are they are if they are sitting in that seat and they

meet the FAA requirements for being in that seat, are they qualified?

>> If they are qualified, I sure hope so. >> Are they? Well, remember there was

actually a whole DEI piece on uh the FAA air traffic control where basically if

you were African-American, if you were black American, you had the opportunity

to join this discriminatory group uh at the FAA that said, "Hey,

we'll give you answers to tests. will help you, prep you for FAA tests. You

have to pay a membership to our, you know, uh, our discrimination agency, and

once you do, you're in this stuff. Let me see if I can pull it up. Uh, I mean,

there are lawsuits about it. Here's actually a lawsuit I was able to quickly

pull up this uh, and it revealed a lot of the FAA documents. In 2014, the FAA

with illegal racebased motives stripped graduates of ATC of their merit-based

pre-qualified employment status. We have uh let's see here. Uh the ATC abandoned

its merit-based um

recruiting and instead tried to hire more of particular races and then

developed programs to increase the volumes of uh you know minority race

individuals. And there was a whole PDF pamphlet from the FAA on

exactly this. So yeah, it's not just that the standards publicly show up as

slightly different. It's that the screening criteria change. Look at this.

I found it. Look at this. This was from the FBI. What are the relative values of

diversity and the prediction of performance and outcomes? Okay. There's

a trade-off between diversity, adverse impact, and predicted job outcomes. And

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that came up in this lawsuit where basically, you know, groups within the

FAA uh and it was this company, this this, you know, group is now defunct

because they got exposed, but it was the National Black Coalition of Federal

Aviation Employees. And so it wasn't necessarily that the standards were

different is that there was basically blatant corruption uh to to

reverse racistly hire people. So, it's not just about standards, though. You

know, you could also look at medical school acceptance rates by race uh and

and you could find the same thing. So, like there's plenty of data uh about

this uh and and and that's what what ultimately gets people frustrated. But

anyway, let's keep going with this debate here.

>> But you don't believe that they're qualified.

>> That's not what I said. What I said was if the criteria was their race or

gender, then how am I to knowific?

So when I noticed that that's what he said, that's not my fault. Joe Biden

said it. >> You were in the White House when Donald

Trump said he was going to put a woman on the Supreme Court and then he picked

Amy Coney Barrett. Is she not qualified? She,

>> you know, take a look at this. Take a look at this here. Medical school

acceptance rates, medical school acceptance rates, average MCAT score and

GPA for uh the, you know, medical school applicants. Okay, this I think is very

interesting. Look at white. the white GPA average 3.71

with the white uh uh you know MCAT score 507.

If you then go to the Asian category 508,

average GPA 3.72 and then if you go to black or Hispanic

the GPA drops to 3.4 4 to 3.5 and the MCAT score drops 10 points to 497 to

499. That's what people are talking about.

>> But but Katanji Brown Jackson is not >> he talked about the qualification as

well. What I'm saying is >> in that clear directive from Joe Biden

in the clear directive from those companies they are saying we are

filling. Let me let me ask let me ask >> I'm going to ask you again because I

think you have another opportunity to really think this through.

>> Donald Trump >> that's really condescending too. It's

like like you know have bring arguments and facts.

>> Donald Trump said I am going to pick a woman to go on the Supreme Court. Oh you

know what let me ask let me give you let me give you another one. Should he not

>> George HW Bush said, "I am going to pick a I'm going to pick a black man to fill

a role on the Supreme Court." >> Are those people unqualified?

>> I want always the most qualified people. >> Are they qualified or not?

>> It depends. >> Right. The argument here isn't are they

qualified enough to pass the minimum standard. The argument is are they the

best person for the job. Right? She's making the argument that, well, did they

pass the bar? Like, did they pass the minimum bar to meet the standard for the

job? The guy on the left, he's saying, I don't care what the minimum is. I want

the best person for the job. >> Or not.

>> It's always a when you base it on race or gender, if you base it on

qualification, if the person is black or woman or whatever, it doesn't matter.

>> Let me just ask you a direct question. It's the ultimate

>> okay for Donald Trump to have DEI quotas or not.

>> It's not okay for anyone to have DEI quot. Why did he have a DEI quota by

your definition for Amy Coney Baron? >> He didn't. He said that was one of the

selections. People said he should fill it with a woman.

>> Okay. He said he was going to fill it with a woman and he did.

>> He did not only interview women for the job.

>> Correct. >> Okay.

>> So, I'm sure Joe Biden didn't interview men for black women for the job. He Joe

Biden had said he as he went in his search process his short list would be

all women of color and they were listen and they were qualified. That's not

true. They were disqualified. We're we're taking issue.

I just think it's you guys are you guys are misleading. I don't want to I'm not

going to I'm not going to say you're say you're misleading.

>> This always drives me nuts when people are like oh you guys are misleading.

Where are the facts and the data? Bring the facts and the data. Like I've I've

brought now the FAA example, the medical school example. like the goal is just to

bring the facts and the data, right? Uh and and uh she does interrupt quite a

bit here without providing the data. And that's normal when people don't have

data. There can be a little bit more of of a lash out. So So remember average

GPA and MCAT scores for black and Hispanic are lower than white and Asian.

This is true. Uh we also know that we had this, you

know, 2014 discriminatory lawsuit bring to light a lot of racism at the FAA and

they're literally talking about pilots. I'm a pilot. You know, this case

specifically was about um air traffic control

thing about what Donald Trump said the day after, you know, Justice Ginsburg

died. He said he was going to pick a woman to replace her. He said that.

Okay, I'm not paraphrasing. That is what he said.

>> By that standard, he should not have issued that criteria.

>> All right. >> All right. One one more thing. Justice

Thomas, who I'm sure you love. >> You love him, right?

>> Sure. >> He was chosen to replace a black Supreme

Court justice in part because he was a black man. Who is more qualified in

terms of actual experience to be on the court? Him or Katanji Brown Jackson? Do

you know? >> I don't know if any of them.

>> Okay. Well, I've checked. I've checked. She served as a federal judge for way

longer. He actually didn't before she was put put on the Supreme Court.

>> No. False. He was on He was on the DC Court of Appeals, the second highest

court. She served by the bar association cannot disperse.

>> Just a quick confirmation that yes, Clarence Thompson was chosen in part

because he was a black man to replace a black Supreme Court justice uh by George

HW Bush. And this was verified uh by both NPR and the New York Times. It is

also true that Katanji Brown Jackson did serve as a US District Court judge uh

and an appeals court judge before her Supreme Court appointment.

So yes, she is right about this. Uh and Thomas only briefly served as a DC

circuit judge before he got nominated. So yes, Katanji Brown Jackson does

appear to have more experience. So she is right about that.

>> He was on there for a very brief period of time.

>> She will serve as a judge. >> We have never considered any nominee for

Supreme Court who was on the DC Court of Appeals to be unqualified for the

Supreme Court. >> I am not suggesting Never ever has that

been suggesting. >> You're saying Clarence Thomas was not

qualified. >> I'm not actually No, not I am not. You

just said I am not suggesting that he's unqualified.

>> No, she said less qualified. saying that he is qualified

just the way that Katanji Brown Jackson is qualified just the way that Amy Coney

Bar said he was less qualified. No. >> Yeah, cuz you you passed this minimum

bar on >> I'm asking you I'm saying about

comparing their resumes. If you want to compare their resume,

we get it. Let's keep going. >> Statement was diverse at their high.

>> I want to go back. This all started when we were talking about these quotes right

here. whether or not Democrats should have voted to honor Charlie Kirk's life.

And Congressman, I respect you. You are a living legend. I I deeply respect your

motives. However, I I think that this is a question of whether we and honor

people who gave their life to public service. I didn't agree with Charlie

Kirk on everything. Okay. >> But he gave his life to public service.

>> I'll let you have the last word on this. Go ahead.

>> But let me just say this. >> His life is one thing. His legacy is

another. Now, I

honor everybody's life, but when you tell me that there was a diversity to

hire, when you tell me you going to give thought to whether or not a black pilot

is qualified, something else is going on in your head. And that's a legacy that I

would never >> I don't think something else is going on

in your head. I think based on the history of discrimination that we've

seen in both directions, you know, people are responding and reacting to

what we're seeing in in lawsuits, data, and facts.

>> Vote to honor. So, if they had taken legacy pilot is qualified, something

else is going on in your head. And that's a legacy that I will never vote

to honor. So, if they >> Okay. So he will never vote to honor the

legacy of Kirk because Kirk would get suspicious over, hey, you

know, are you actually a qualified pilot because of the color of your skin?

because that is according to uh you know Clyborn here something that Charlie Cook

stood for which others clearly make the case that this is totally taken out of

context for Charlie Kirk because these are affirmative action debates that have

happened uh that Clyborn hands down is saying nope not honoring this guy don't

care >> taking legacy off which we asked him to

do and just honor his life you You got my vote.

>> But his legacy, I know what my father's uh inherited from the legacy of the

South. >> Huh. No, it's interesting.

>> Good to have you with us on this. >> It is. It is an interesting There's so

much interesting perspective and data on this. I wonder if we can get in context

what Charlie Kirk said. Charlie Kirk race pilot. Let's see. Full quote. Oh,

here we go. Okay, full quote. Well, let's watch it.

The media claim, "If I see a black pilot, I'm going to be

like, "Boy, I hope he's qualified." The Charlie Kirk show, Jan 23:24. That's the

media quote. What he actually said. Okay.

>> All right. Let me tell you exactly what I said. Okay. So, this was in response

first and foremost to United Airlines saying that half of all their new pilots

that they're going to hire are going to be women or people of color. Currently,

they're 15%. Okay. So, they want to go from 15% to 50%. A conversation then

ensued about how every time affirmative action is employed, standards have to be

lowered. There's not. >> Yeah, that that's exactly what we see

statistically, not only with the medical school statistics that we bring up uh

but also uh broadly uh this idea that hey, not only do we see the results, but

if we're going to increase the ratio of people, you have to lower the standard

because we don't have 50% uh you know, black population or a 50%

black population in the United States. I think the black black population works

out to around 14%. So on a relative basis in order to actually increase that

ratio, you have to change the standards. That's that's I think the idea the the

argument that he's making here. >> A single instance where that is does not

occur. So then I said I said boy if I see a black

>> now theoretically it could not occur right if if we said hey the standards

the minimum bar must be met for all. Theoretically, yes, it could work.

>> Pilot, I'm now going to wonder, is that individual qualified? Were they selected

because of their race? But that's not who I am. But this makes me think this

way. And I stand completely by that statement. Secondly, let me just finish.

DEI and affirmative action, what it does is it lowers the merit. It lowers the

threshold of standards and increases things that do not matter.

>> Yeah. And I think that's that's a byproduct, not the intention. Like I

don't think medical schools or you know aviation companies are saying oh we want

lower standards. I think they're saying we just in the past we want a certain

set of diversity a certain quota. Charlie is saying yes but a result of

that is lower standards such as skin color and ethnic background. So that

that is what I said. Okay. Now a more important question to ask me is Charlie

would do you believe that black pilots can be qualified? Of course, any

individual can be qualified. I want a >> I mean, I got qualified to fly a jet

single pilot, you know, so anybody can do it.

>> Hiring quota and program that only cares about qualification, not skin color. And

thirdly, I would say, why does United Airlines care so much about the color of

the pilots that are flying them? Shouldn't they just want the best

pilots? When you guys are flying from Vegas to Dallas or Vegas to Chicago, are

are you gonna feel safer or more comfortable when you hit turbulence if

you have a diverse pilot or if you have a cockpit of the most qualified people

that are there that have proven that they know how I

>> I I I mean I agree with what Charlie's saying here. I I don't I don't know how

you can disagree with what Charlie's saying here. I think he's right.

>> To land and fly planes, >> you just want I don't Nobody cares what

the color of your skin is. Just do good work. be a good human and do the best

that you possibly can do. That's all anybody's asking for.

>> How do you feel about legacies in that regard? Because legacies obviously have

a leg up in getting into certain institutions just based on who went

there before them that is close to them. >> How do I feel? I think I think legacies

are somewhat against merit to be consistent.

>> Yeah. So I mean >> just want to make sure you're

>> But I will >> Okay. I mean, that's probably like a

reference to legacy admissions at colleges where, you know, like, oh, your

brother went to the school, so you get a leg up. I mean, Charlie's also right

here that actually, in my opinion, sort of reiterates the, you know, anti- uh,

you know, race priority here. And the priority is instead, no, let's just

focus on merit. And when we focus on merit, great. That's that's what we

want. We we can then uh, you know, have a United States

that can be the best it possibly can be. Big fan of that. Now, I saw somebody in

the comments. They're like, "Oh, well, Kevin, you could be the best, you know,

Chinese worker ever, but you're not Chinese, so you're not going to get a

job in China." Well, that's why I choose not to live in China, right? That's why

I choose to live in America, where we focus on

what should be the most righteous, not what's best for the Communist Party of

China. Who cares? That's, you know, I'm

grateful we're here in America. >> Tell us about this.

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>> Congratulations, man. You have done so much. People love you. People look up to

you. >> Kevin Praath there, financial analyst

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