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Airport traffic outpaced 2024 levels in

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July and August after running below 2024

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levels in May and June. So in other

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words, airport traffic's back. Consumer

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spending has historically led payrolls

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and consumers keep spending. Although of

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course they're arguing that there's a

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decline here consumer spending per Bank

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of America research, but not retail

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sales this morning. So retail sales this

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morning were fantastic. Uh but you do

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have some potential momentum changers to

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pay attention to this is per Apollo

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research and what they're doing is

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they're looking at the last uh you know

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spending relative to the last 90 days

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and what they're seeing so far they're

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still seeing rising momentum in that air

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travel but they are starting to see

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slowing momentum in other categories.

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So, there's a lot that says, "Hey,

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August strong. We have reason to be

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bullish." And I think that's what sets

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up for that Federal Reserve punt.

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However, amplifying some of this weekly

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data, you always have to be careful

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about this when these e research

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institutions do this and they're like,

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"Oh, you know, hey, we're like things

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are slowing down. Things are slowing

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down." Does it really matter though? I

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mean, look at this. This talk about

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growth slowing over here on consumer

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spending. Look how volatile these charts

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are. I think it's is these are things to

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pay attention to, but I don't know that

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we're in a position of bearishness

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because of we're going to amplify, you

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know, some weekly data here. In fact,

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the Atlanta Fed just seconds ago

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increased their GDP estimate for the

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third quarter. Look at what's going on.

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You can't be bearish about this. Look at

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this. The GDP now estimate has just

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risen from 3.09% 09%

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to 3.4%

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for the third quarter. Uh now measured

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on September 16th uh up 3.09% on

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September 10th after recent releases

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from the retail sales numbers. And we

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specifically saw real personal

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consumption expenditures growth and real

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gross private domestic investment

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growth. This gross private investment

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domestic growth huge for the economy by

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the way that grew uh 6.2 2% which is

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huge. And that 6.2% number actually grew

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up to 6.9%.

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Let's go 69. But anyway, the these are

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these are good numbers. So again, yes,

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on on the weekly data front. Yes,

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Apollo, we could see volatility, but we

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always expect to see volatility on the

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weekly data fronts, especially when we

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compare it to the prior uh, you know, 90

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days when we have a little bit more

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consistency. So, we'll see. So far,

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travel spend also worth noting. Travel

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spend up 2.8% year-over-year in the week

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ending August 30th.

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Debit card spending. Who uses a debit

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card? Don't use a debit card. Use a

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credit card. Get yourself points. My

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favorite, by the way, is um the travel

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card. Uh if you travel, best travel

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card, meet me.com/cap1.

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Really good. I prefer it over AMX. Not

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even a competitor. Next best. I I'll

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give JP Morgan credit there, but but

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I've been mad at JP Morgan. They opened

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134 accounts for Epstein. Didn't realize

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that withdrawing hundreds of thousands

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of dollars of cash was sus. Sorry, I'm

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going on a tangent here. I shouldn't I

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shouldn't do that. Uh but anyway, debit

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card spending growth. Look at this.

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debit card spending growth up 3.3%

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outpacing credit card spending growth

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which is crazy because usually the lower

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income uh individuals are going to use

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debit cards more frequently. Uh and this

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is a sign that you know you're even

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seeing spending bumps in some of the

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lower levels here. Take a look at this

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online retail spending up 8.3%

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year-over-year in the week ending August

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30th. That's huge. That's absolutely

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huge. So this is this is very exciting.

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These are good data sets so far. Of

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course, it could all flip-flop, but

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Federal Reserve meeting tomorrow. I

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think the Federal Reserve is going to

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punt big time. We're going to get our 25

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basis point cut. Don't worry, that's

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basically priced in. The Fed's really

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unlikely to shock us. Somebody asked us

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this morning like, "Hey Kevin, you know,

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what are the odds we get something crazy

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like a 75 basis point cut or or you

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know, even more like some kind of shock

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cut as if the Fed's finally waking up

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and trying to avoid a recession.

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Maybe one in a thousand. I don't see it.

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I see much more of a Federal Reserve

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that's going to punt and focus on future

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data." Now, this took me by surprise.

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The Federal Reserve does not actually

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have a November meeting this year. So

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that means they have a preh Halloween

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meeting, which is really interesting

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because it means the preh Halloween

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meeting is all going to be based on the

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data that comes out. ADP jobs numbers

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October 1st, BLS jobs numbers October

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3rd and Jolts on the 30th. But beyond

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that, this is probably not going to be a

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hawkish or dovish kind of move. This is

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going to be a Fed that says, "Look,

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things are fine right now." You know,

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CNBC is talking about recession odds

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going up from 30 to 40% now based on

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their expectations of recession. But

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frankly, when we look at some of this

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underlying data, you can't help but be

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bullish. And look at the retail sales

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numbers that came out this morning. The

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retail sales numbers were gang busters.

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Not only did we beat on retail sales

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numbers this morning, but we also

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revised higher the prior estimate of

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retail sales. This is good. Barons

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basically had a great article on this.

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They basically made this argument that

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even though consumers act like they're

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gloomy or they say they're gloomy,

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they're still spending money. And that's

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because usually human psychology says

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you spend money until you don't have it

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anymore. And usually you don't have it

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anymore when you lose your job, but then

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it's too late. Then you've lost your job

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and then it's too late to save money,

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right? So this is human nature though.

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you assume that salary is going to keep

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coming in and you don't save. This is

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very very normal. It's the same thing

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with the stock market. We get greedy

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with this idea that the stock market's

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going to go up forever and we don't

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consider that at some point it's going

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to make sense on some overextended

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stocks to have trailing stop limits,

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which is okay. You know, we've been

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talking about trailing stops and they've

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been killing it since April because

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we've been straight up. I remember in

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April saying, "Hey, hey, you know, this

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this could actually end up being a

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short-term bottom. protect yourself to

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the downside with the trailing. But if

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we go up from here, your trailings are

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going to kill it because you won't sell.

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You'll just keep riding up. But look at

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the details of these retail sales

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numbers here. What do we have? We have

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malls and retail stores not doing that

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great. But what actually is doing well?

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Clothing's up. Thanks, Sydney Sweeney.

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What else? We've got e-commerce up, food

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and drinking places up. Fantastic.

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What's down? Building materials and a

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little bit on furniture. furniture a

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little volatile over the last few months

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because of tariffs pull forward and

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otherwise but consistently on building

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materials you're negative I mean you had

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0.1% growth this month from last month

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but you had negative -2.3%

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year-over-year.9

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since June and -2.5 June to June so

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these numbers are great for real estate

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which obviously I I don't want to shill

7:22

it I I talk about it so much you already

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know this I love house hack it's my baby

7:28

and uh We love what we find to be a

7:30

really competitive time for

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construction, building ADUs, building

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spec homes, and remodeling properties.

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Okay? But you know, we're a real estate

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play. So, if you want to invest in

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Houseack, you go to houseack.com, read

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the solicitation, the BPM, okay? This

7:41

video is not a solicitation. All that

7:43

said, the data so far is good. I mean,

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retail sales this morning advance, we're

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expected to come in at 0.2, we got 6.

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Xauto, we got 7 versus4 and plus one on

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the revision on both of those. on the

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control group we were expecting point4

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we got 7 really good some of these

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surveys like yesterday's Empire

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manufacturing survey came in negative it

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was expected to be positive this morning

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we had the New York Fed services

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business activity came in really

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negative negative 19.4 versus the

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negative 5.8 than they'd expected. So,

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you do have these surveys like the PPIs

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or the P or the PMIs rather or the S&Ps

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that show like little volatility signs.

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And I think that's because on a month-

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over-month basis, you just tend to get

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this up and down, this up and down. And

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this is where the Fed, I think, is just

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going to look and say, uh, hey, uh, just

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like, uh, Toad over here, hi, uh, here's

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your 25 basis point cut. We're neither

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neutral or we're neither hawkish nor,

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you know, dovish. We're just going to

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kind of keep looking at the data and the

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unemployment rate's good. Retail sales

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are holding up. People are spending. Uh,

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you know, the Atlanta Fed sees GDP at 3%

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for the quarter. Uh, we're revising up

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our GDP estimates, even if inflation is

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transitory over the next 6 to 12 months.

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We are way too early to say that the

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economy is falling off a cliff.

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Now, is that potentially an oopsie

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dupes? Is the Federal Reserve going to

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leave us in a recession? Maybe. But so

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far, we just keep getting this hard data

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that suggests no. I mean, look at what

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part of it could potentially be

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manipulation by Donald Trump. I don't

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know. But I tell you, I woke up this

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morning and I was studying those uh

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those unemployment claim numbers from

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Texas and I got sused out that

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potentially a Donald Trump friendly

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state is actually adjusting numbers or

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or making declaratory statements about

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economic data that just favor Donald

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Trump.

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So, let me explain that. I'm going to go

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to the Axios piece so you could see that

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a little bit more directly here. Take a

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look at this. Fraudulent Texas

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unemployment filings cause national

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spike. So basically unemployment claims

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spiked last week to the highest level

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since uh 2021. Usually when unemployment

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claims spike, it's too late. You know,

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you're you're deep in a recession and

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you're actually probably closer to the

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end of the recession than the beginning

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of the recession. Last week we had a a

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modest spike. You know, it wasn't like

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an off the cliff, oh my gosh, we're in

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recession spike, but it was there was a

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spike last week. Immediately, people

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focused on Texas, and Texas had about

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15,000 more claims than usual. Now,

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Texas is a very Trump friendly state.

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And so, what a surprise. But Texas ends

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up coming out saying, "Oh, yeah, hey,

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uh, we're committed to making sure that

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we have accurate data." And uh the

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spokesperson for the Texas Workforce

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Commission has now released a statement

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saying, "We've observed an uptick in ID

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fraud claims or attempts aimed at

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exploiting the unemployment system since

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Labor Day."

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Huh. That's a convenient way to

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basically try to explain away something

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that's broadly one of the, you know,

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fewer sets of economic data that that is

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negative at the moment in favor of

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Trump. So, it does make you scratch your

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head a little bit like how much are we

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actually getting reality?

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I don't know. Uh, but so far retail

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sales, uh, jobs data could all be

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broadly in line with an economy that's

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getting ready to soft land. I think

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we're at a coin toss, but remember what

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the economist said yesterday. It's worth

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just reiterating. The economist thinks

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that our break even rate could actually

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be between 0 to 30,000 jobs per month.

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Our last 3-month moving average is

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29,000 jobs created. That's a very slow

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growth economy and it's very unusual.

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It's just sort of like an economy that's

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slugging along. But the hope is that

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maybe next year we could start booming

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again. That we get through this soft

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patch here this winter. People keep

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spending and we can get back to growth.

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that this was all just a normalization

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post tariffs or whatever. So, I'm

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optimistic on that. It's one of the

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reasons why we have 10 stocks to buy for

12:12

the next 10 years in the meet Kevin

12:13

membership, but we also have 10 stocks

12:15

not to buy for the next 10 years, which

12:17

I think is almost equally as important.

12:19

Uh, but anyway, consider the Federal

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Reserve tomorrow and the dot plot. So,

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the dot plot, here's the dot plot that

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we had last time. I think the Federal

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Reserve gives us a very benign move up

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in GDP, especially with there. I

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wouldn't be surprised if ends up

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giving you a really big outlier right

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here. I bet you is going to come

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in. uh will give you 3%. Like

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you're going to have a big move over

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here to the hot side. Not a surprise.

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But again, it's it's Trumpian influence

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that's going to move these averages. If

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Moran comes in and gives you I mean I

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think they I mean they use median over

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here purposefully for this, right? Like

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thank goodness they use median. But the

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point is this range over here will be a

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lot higher my take because of and

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I wouldn't be surprised if you have a

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low read over here because comes

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in and gives you 2%. So some of our data

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is getting manipulated in my opinion and

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there is a risk you know when Donald

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Trump fires people at the labor

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department because he doesn't like the

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data and doesn't understand how

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revisions work. Well, that's a problem.

13:34

Shout out to Sarah Isa, by the way. I

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don't know why that top looks awesome

13:37

today. It just it's all perfect. I love

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that. I Sorry, I got distracted there.

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Oh, look, the 10-year Treasury yield.

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That's actually what I meant to look at.

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Look, we're almost under 4%. Anyway, so

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so think about this for a moment. You've

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got uh you're going to have show

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up on a low dot here as well, right? So,

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Moran will show up low. uh you know he's

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going to be the lowest over here. I mean

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you could potentially see him over here

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uh which is is remarkable. I wouldn't be

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surprised you see a second dot over here

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uh for but

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this is not going to be this big old Fed

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meeting that I think gives anybody any

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clarity. I think a lot of people are

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hoping for that tomorrow but it's going

14:22

to be a punt. It's going to be a punt to

14:24

the October 28th 29th meeting. we'll get

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one more set of unemployment data which

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really makes the beginning the our next

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catalyst the first week of October

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October 1st and October 3rd which means

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uh you know me personally what I

14:38

mentioned in the alpha report this

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morning was that I thought the cues were

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not like I literally said don't go calls

14:43

on the cues for the day go consider

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calls on the cues for the end of the

14:48

month okay I'm not going to talk about

14:50

price target because that's for the meat

14:52

Kevin membership but the reason I said

14:53

that is because usually the day before

14:55

the Fed you have a little bit of a

14:56

pullback It's not a surprise that you'd

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have a little bit of a pullback or like

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some nervousness before the Fed meeting.

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And I think there one of the reasons for

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that is some people are nervous that

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you're going to end up getting a really

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hawkish pal tomorrow. I think for the

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first time in a while you get neither

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hawk nor dove. You get a neutral pal

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that's like look things are good right

15:15

now. Now there are concerns. That said

15:20

like talk to us at the end of the

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October meeting. we'll have a whole lot

15:24

more clarity then and maybe we will

15:26

maybe we won't you know he could end up

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uh uh punting then as well but uh you

15:31

know my take is this is great this so

15:34

far if you are bullish stocks and you

15:37

don't want a reason to sell your stocks

15:39

this is fantastic now I maintain that if

15:41

you want to diversify one of the best

15:43

things to do is diversifying to real

15:44

estate but I'm not going to get into the

15:46

whole house I pitch right now I'll save

15:47

you from that but broadly I I promise

15:50

you I'm looking on like a daily basis

15:51

for bearish stuff and you know look at

15:55

the 102 yield curve for example. You

15:57

know the 102 the 102 yield curve is a

16:00

fantastic proxy for where the economy is

16:04

pricing in recessionary risks right now

16:07

and we are deescalating our tensions on

16:10

the 102 yield curve. Yields are coming

16:13

down which is bullish. It's bullish real

16:16

estate. bullish stocks and the spread is

16:19

shrinking which is broadly bullish the

16:21

economy where you get like the only way

16:23

you get this to skyrocket is if you get

16:25

some really horrible jobs numbers and

16:27

they're going to have to be negative at

16:29

this point I I will go on record to say

16:32

the only way we really get a recession

16:35

is if we start getting unrevised

16:37

negative numbers which means the October

16:40

numbers come in negative the November

16:42

numbers are negative the December

16:43

numbers are negative that's going to be

16:45

bad That's going to be where you want

16:46

your trailing stops and you back out.

16:49

But it's unless we get negative any of

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these low numbers at this point, people

16:54

are just going to blame on a lack of

16:55

migration. Uh and so, you know, who

16:58

cares is is basically uh where we're

17:01

going to sit. Uh so, broadly, uh I I'm

17:04

going to say on this, you know, bullish

17:07

until proven otherwise. That's what I'm

17:09

going to call it. Uh you know, we're

17:11

going to call it daddy's back. We are

17:13

bullish until proven otherwise. Uh there

17:16

are real concerns and again I'm not I'm

17:18

not saying we're not like at a 50/50

17:20

shot of a recession, but uh I I don't

17:22

see the Fed being bearish tomorrow and I

17:24

don't see the Fed panicking tomorrow. Uh

17:26

so that's my take on the Fed tomorrow.

17:28

And we've got some SAP estimates here.

17:30

Let's see what some of y'all say here.

17:32

Uh let's see here. Uh let's see here. Uh

17:37

we have somebody says Powell's going to

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hawk to us. I don't think Powell's going

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to hawk to us. Kevin, what's your bull

17:43

bear scale? I think I'm probably sitting

17:46

at like a, you know, I'm I'm concerned

17:48

about the labor market weakness, but

17:51

it's probably popped up to like the 49

17:54

to like five range. Probably in that

17:56

little range right there. Uh, so so it's

17:59

like I'm in the middle. Uh, kind of like

18:01

my politics. Uh, somebody says, "What if

18:04

he doesn't cut?" That's really unlikely.

18:07

If he doesn't cut, the market's going to

18:08

fall. You know, we saw the JP Morgan

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forecast on that. Uh, and I agree with

18:12

it entirely. Uh it's it's it's not very

18:15

likely to me that they're not going to

18:17

cut. They would shock the market by

18:19

doing that. And inflation numbers, you

18:21

know, were not like so impressive that

18:23

we have to do that. Uh let's see here.

18:26

What else do we have here? Uh we've got

18:29

a lot of things. Okay, that's good.

18:31

Thanks, Sydney Sweeney. Exactly.

18:35

Uh okay. Yeah. Broadly, you all seem to

18:39

Jerome Powell gonna give Trump another

18:40

stroke. No, you know, the thing is

18:43

Jerome Powell could have given Trump a

18:46

stroke at the uh Jackson Hole meeting,

18:49

but he didn't.

18:51

That was a sign that Jerome Powell is

18:54

putting his sort of ego above

18:58

uh this this like let's get Trump thing.

19:02

and he's putting his ego aside and he's

19:05

saying, you know what, I will stand

19:08

there for doing what's right for the

19:11

economy, which is paying more attention

19:12

to the labor market and calling

19:14

inflation transitory. Basically, not

19:16

spotted transitory, but overtime

19:18

transitory. This means that we are going

19:21

to end up with a 25 basis point cut and

19:25

a setup for let's wait and see what the

19:28

numbers are for October. That's my take.

19:31

It was just in my opinion a relatively,

19:33

you know, boring call. Uh the somebody

19:36

says, "What's the probability of a Fed

19:38

50?" It's about 4.8% right now. So very

19:43

very low. Uh and then you have you have

19:46

Nick T. He's tweeting pictures right now

19:50

of uh the Fed.

19:53

Let's see here. He's got here we go.

19:58

Uh there's Jerome Powell. Look at that.

20:00

He's got the iPad. Oh, they've all got

20:02

the iPad. The keyboard iPads, bro. I got

20:05

the white one, too, right here. Let's

20:07

go. I could join the Fed. No way. Yeah,

20:11

it's This thing's heavy, by the way. You

20:14

carry this sucker around. But it's the

20:16

uh the white iPad. Uh the the keyboard

20:20

iPad. I love this thing. So, it's great.

20:23

That's awesome. They're all using This

20:25

is kind of actually a cool picture over

20:27

here. Uh, you've got there's Lisa Cook.

20:30

Oh, Lisa Cook. Where's They don't

20:34

show there's no picture of him. But

20:36

anyway, they're doing their This room is

20:38

a lot brighter than I thought it was. I

20:40

honestly when I had these visions of

20:42

like, you know, the boardroom for the

20:44

Fed, I always had these visions of it

20:46

being like a dark place,

20:49

which is crazy. Uh, so, uh, very

20:53

interesting. Uh, okay. So, uh, let's see

20:58

here.

21:00

That's it. That's that's the take on the

21:02

Fed. Pretty benign, honestly.

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>> Why not advertise these things that you

21:06

told us here? I feel like nobody else

21:08

knows about this.

21:08

>> We'll we'll try a little advertising and

21:10

see how it goes.

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>> Congratulations, man. You have done so

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much. People love you. People look up to

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you.

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>> Kevin Pra there, financial analyst and

21:16

YouTuber. Meet Kevin. Always great to

21:18

get your take.

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