Preparing for the Fed's September Meeting.
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Airport traffic outpaced 2024 levels in
July and August after running below 2024
levels in May and June. So in other
words, airport traffic's back. Consumer
spending has historically led payrolls
and consumers keep spending. Although of
course they're arguing that there's a
decline here consumer spending per Bank
of America research, but not retail
sales this morning. So retail sales this
morning were fantastic. Uh but you do
have some potential momentum changers to
pay attention to this is per Apollo
research and what they're doing is
they're looking at the last uh you know
spending relative to the last 90 days
and what they're seeing so far they're
still seeing rising momentum in that air
travel but they are starting to see
slowing momentum in other categories.
So, there's a lot that says, "Hey,
August strong. We have reason to be
bullish." And I think that's what sets
up for that Federal Reserve punt.
However, amplifying some of this weekly
data, you always have to be careful
about this when these e research
institutions do this and they're like,
"Oh, you know, hey, we're like things
are slowing down. Things are slowing
down." Does it really matter though? I
mean, look at this. This talk about
growth slowing over here on consumer
spending. Look how volatile these charts
are. I think it's is these are things to
pay attention to, but I don't know that
we're in a position of bearishness
because of we're going to amplify, you
know, some weekly data here. In fact,
the Atlanta Fed just seconds ago
increased their GDP estimate for the
third quarter. Look at what's going on.
You can't be bearish about this. Look at
this. The GDP now estimate has just
risen from 3.09% 09%
to 3.4%
for the third quarter. Uh now measured
on September 16th uh up 3.09% on
September 10th after recent releases
from the retail sales numbers. And we
specifically saw real personal
consumption expenditures growth and real
gross private domestic investment
growth. This gross private investment
domestic growth huge for the economy by
the way that grew uh 6.2 2% which is
huge. And that 6.2% number actually grew
up to 6.9%.
Let's go 69. But anyway, the these are
these are good numbers. So again, yes,
on on the weekly data front. Yes,
Apollo, we could see volatility, but we
always expect to see volatility on the
weekly data fronts, especially when we
compare it to the prior uh, you know, 90
days when we have a little bit more
consistency. So, we'll see. So far,
travel spend also worth noting. Travel
spend up 2.8% year-over-year in the week
ending August 30th.
Debit card spending. Who uses a debit
card? Don't use a debit card. Use a
credit card. Get yourself points. My
favorite, by the way, is um the travel
card. Uh if you travel, best travel
card, meet me.com/cap1.
Really good. I prefer it over AMX. Not
even a competitor. Next best. I I'll
give JP Morgan credit there, but but
I've been mad at JP Morgan. They opened
134 accounts for Epstein. Didn't realize
that withdrawing hundreds of thousands
of dollars of cash was sus. Sorry, I'm
going on a tangent here. I shouldn't I
shouldn't do that. Uh but anyway, debit
card spending growth. Look at this.
debit card spending growth up 3.3%
outpacing credit card spending growth
which is crazy because usually the lower
income uh individuals are going to use
debit cards more frequently. Uh and this
is a sign that you know you're even
seeing spending bumps in some of the
lower levels here. Take a look at this
online retail spending up 8.3%
year-over-year in the week ending August
30th. That's huge. That's absolutely
huge. So this is this is very exciting.
These are good data sets so far. Of
course, it could all flip-flop, but
Federal Reserve meeting tomorrow. I
think the Federal Reserve is going to
punt big time. We're going to get our 25
basis point cut. Don't worry, that's
basically priced in. The Fed's really
unlikely to shock us. Somebody asked us
this morning like, "Hey Kevin, you know,
what are the odds we get something crazy
like a 75 basis point cut or or you
know, even more like some kind of shock
cut as if the Fed's finally waking up
and trying to avoid a recession.
Maybe one in a thousand. I don't see it.
I see much more of a Federal Reserve
that's going to punt and focus on future
data." Now, this took me by surprise.
The Federal Reserve does not actually
have a November meeting this year. So
that means they have a preh Halloween
meeting, which is really interesting
because it means the preh Halloween
meeting is all going to be based on the
data that comes out. ADP jobs numbers
October 1st, BLS jobs numbers October
3rd and Jolts on the 30th. But beyond
that, this is probably not going to be a
hawkish or dovish kind of move. This is
going to be a Fed that says, "Look,
things are fine right now." You know,
CNBC is talking about recession odds
going up from 30 to 40% now based on
their expectations of recession. But
frankly, when we look at some of this
underlying data, you can't help but be
bullish. And look at the retail sales
numbers that came out this morning. The
retail sales numbers were gang busters.
Not only did we beat on retail sales
numbers this morning, but we also
revised higher the prior estimate of
retail sales. This is good. Barons
basically had a great article on this.
They basically made this argument that
even though consumers act like they're
gloomy or they say they're gloomy,
they're still spending money. And that's
because usually human psychology says
you spend money until you don't have it
anymore. And usually you don't have it
anymore when you lose your job, but then
it's too late. Then you've lost your job
and then it's too late to save money,
right? So this is human nature though.
you assume that salary is going to keep
coming in and you don't save. This is
very very normal. It's the same thing
with the stock market. We get greedy
with this idea that the stock market's
going to go up forever and we don't
consider that at some point it's going
to make sense on some overextended
stocks to have trailing stop limits,
which is okay. You know, we've been
talking about trailing stops and they've
been killing it since April because
we've been straight up. I remember in
April saying, "Hey, hey, you know, this
this could actually end up being a
short-term bottom. protect yourself to
the downside with the trailing. But if
we go up from here, your trailings are
going to kill it because you won't sell.
You'll just keep riding up. But look at
the details of these retail sales
numbers here. What do we have? We have
malls and retail stores not doing that
great. But what actually is doing well?
Clothing's up. Thanks, Sydney Sweeney.
What else? We've got e-commerce up, food
and drinking places up. Fantastic.
What's down? Building materials and a
little bit on furniture. furniture a
little volatile over the last few months
because of tariffs pull forward and
otherwise but consistently on building
materials you're negative I mean you had
0.1% growth this month from last month
but you had negative -2.3%
year-over-year.9
since June and -2.5 June to June so
these numbers are great for real estate
which obviously I I don't want to shill
it I I talk about it so much you already
know this I love house hack it's my baby
and uh We love what we find to be a
really competitive time for
construction, building ADUs, building
spec homes, and remodeling properties.
Okay? But you know, we're a real estate
play. So, if you want to invest in
Houseack, you go to houseack.com, read
the solicitation, the BPM, okay? This
video is not a solicitation. All that
said, the data so far is good. I mean,
retail sales this morning advance, we're
expected to come in at 0.2, we got 6.
Xauto, we got 7 versus4 and plus one on
the revision on both of those. on the
control group we were expecting point4
we got 7 really good some of these
surveys like yesterday's Empire
manufacturing survey came in negative it
was expected to be positive this morning
we had the New York Fed services
business activity came in really
negative negative 19.4 versus the
negative 5.8 than they'd expected. So,
you do have these surveys like the PPIs
or the P or the PMIs rather or the S&Ps
that show like little volatility signs.
And I think that's because on a month-
over-month basis, you just tend to get
this up and down, this up and down. And
this is where the Fed, I think, is just
going to look and say, uh, hey, uh, just
like, uh, Toad over here, hi, uh, here's
your 25 basis point cut. We're neither
neutral or we're neither hawkish nor,
you know, dovish. We're just going to
kind of keep looking at the data and the
unemployment rate's good. Retail sales
are holding up. People are spending. Uh,
you know, the Atlanta Fed sees GDP at 3%
for the quarter. Uh, we're revising up
our GDP estimates, even if inflation is
transitory over the next 6 to 12 months.
We are way too early to say that the
economy is falling off a cliff.
Now, is that potentially an oopsie
dupes? Is the Federal Reserve going to
leave us in a recession? Maybe. But so
far, we just keep getting this hard data
that suggests no. I mean, look at what
part of it could potentially be
manipulation by Donald Trump. I don't
know. But I tell you, I woke up this
morning and I was studying those uh
those unemployment claim numbers from
Texas and I got sused out that
potentially a Donald Trump friendly
state is actually adjusting numbers or
or making declaratory statements about
economic data that just favor Donald
Trump.
So, let me explain that. I'm going to go
to the Axios piece so you could see that
a little bit more directly here. Take a
look at this. Fraudulent Texas
unemployment filings cause national
spike. So basically unemployment claims
spiked last week to the highest level
since uh 2021. Usually when unemployment
claims spike, it's too late. You know,
you're you're deep in a recession and
you're actually probably closer to the
end of the recession than the beginning
of the recession. Last week we had a a
modest spike. You know, it wasn't like
an off the cliff, oh my gosh, we're in
recession spike, but it was there was a
spike last week. Immediately, people
focused on Texas, and Texas had about
15,000 more claims than usual. Now,
Texas is a very Trump friendly state.
And so, what a surprise. But Texas ends
up coming out saying, "Oh, yeah, hey,
uh, we're committed to making sure that
we have accurate data." And uh the
spokesperson for the Texas Workforce
Commission has now released a statement
saying, "We've observed an uptick in ID
fraud claims or attempts aimed at
exploiting the unemployment system since
Labor Day."
Huh. That's a convenient way to
basically try to explain away something
that's broadly one of the, you know,
fewer sets of economic data that that is
negative at the moment in favor of
Trump. So, it does make you scratch your
head a little bit like how much are we
actually getting reality?
I don't know. Uh, but so far retail
sales, uh, jobs data could all be
broadly in line with an economy that's
getting ready to soft land. I think
we're at a coin toss, but remember what
the economist said yesterday. It's worth
just reiterating. The economist thinks
that our break even rate could actually
be between 0 to 30,000 jobs per month.
Our last 3-month moving average is
29,000 jobs created. That's a very slow
growth economy and it's very unusual.
It's just sort of like an economy that's
slugging along. But the hope is that
maybe next year we could start booming
again. That we get through this soft
patch here this winter. People keep
spending and we can get back to growth.
that this was all just a normalization
post tariffs or whatever. So, I'm
optimistic on that. It's one of the
reasons why we have 10 stocks to buy for
the next 10 years in the meet Kevin
membership, but we also have 10 stocks
not to buy for the next 10 years, which
I think is almost equally as important.
Uh, but anyway, consider the Federal
Reserve tomorrow and the dot plot. So,
the dot plot, here's the dot plot that
we had last time. I think the Federal
Reserve gives us a very benign move up
in GDP, especially with there. I
wouldn't be surprised if ends up
giving you a really big outlier right
here. I bet you is going to come
in. uh will give you 3%. Like
you're going to have a big move over
here to the hot side. Not a surprise.
But again, it's it's Trumpian influence
that's going to move these averages. If
Moran comes in and gives you I mean I
think they I mean they use median over
here purposefully for this, right? Like
thank goodness they use median. But the
point is this range over here will be a
lot higher my take because of and
I wouldn't be surprised if you have a
low read over here because comes
in and gives you 2%. So some of our data
is getting manipulated in my opinion and
there is a risk you know when Donald
Trump fires people at the labor
department because he doesn't like the
data and doesn't understand how
revisions work. Well, that's a problem.
Shout out to Sarah Isa, by the way. I
don't know why that top looks awesome
today. It just it's all perfect. I love
that. I Sorry, I got distracted there.
Oh, look, the 10-year Treasury yield.
That's actually what I meant to look at.
Look, we're almost under 4%. Anyway, so
so think about this for a moment. You've
got uh you're going to have show
up on a low dot here as well, right? So,
Moran will show up low. uh you know he's
going to be the lowest over here. I mean
you could potentially see him over here
uh which is is remarkable. I wouldn't be
surprised you see a second dot over here
uh for but
this is not going to be this big old Fed
meeting that I think gives anybody any
clarity. I think a lot of people are
hoping for that tomorrow but it's going
to be a punt. It's going to be a punt to
the October 28th 29th meeting. we'll get
one more set of unemployment data which
really makes the beginning the our next
catalyst the first week of October
October 1st and October 3rd which means
uh you know me personally what I
mentioned in the alpha report this
morning was that I thought the cues were
not like I literally said don't go calls
on the cues for the day go consider
calls on the cues for the end of the
month okay I'm not going to talk about
price target because that's for the meat
Kevin membership but the reason I said
that is because usually the day before
the Fed you have a little bit of a
pullback It's not a surprise that you'd
have a little bit of a pullback or like
some nervousness before the Fed meeting.
And I think there one of the reasons for
that is some people are nervous that
you're going to end up getting a really
hawkish pal tomorrow. I think for the
first time in a while you get neither
hawk nor dove. You get a neutral pal
that's like look things are good right
now. Now there are concerns. That said
like talk to us at the end of the
October meeting. we'll have a whole lot
more clarity then and maybe we will
maybe we won't you know he could end up
uh uh punting then as well but uh you
know my take is this is great this so
far if you are bullish stocks and you
don't want a reason to sell your stocks
this is fantastic now I maintain that if
you want to diversify one of the best
things to do is diversifying to real
estate but I'm not going to get into the
whole house I pitch right now I'll save
you from that but broadly I I promise
you I'm looking on like a daily basis
for bearish stuff and you know look at
the 102 yield curve for example. You
know the 102 the 102 yield curve is a
fantastic proxy for where the economy is
pricing in recessionary risks right now
and we are deescalating our tensions on
the 102 yield curve. Yields are coming
down which is bullish. It's bullish real
estate. bullish stocks and the spread is
shrinking which is broadly bullish the
economy where you get like the only way
you get this to skyrocket is if you get
some really horrible jobs numbers and
they're going to have to be negative at
this point I I will go on record to say
the only way we really get a recession
is if we start getting unrevised
negative numbers which means the October
numbers come in negative the November
numbers are negative the December
numbers are negative that's going to be
bad That's going to be where you want
your trailing stops and you back out.
But it's unless we get negative any of
these low numbers at this point, people
are just going to blame on a lack of
migration. Uh and so, you know, who
cares is is basically uh where we're
going to sit. Uh so, broadly, uh I I'm
going to say on this, you know, bullish
until proven otherwise. That's what I'm
going to call it. Uh you know, we're
going to call it daddy's back. We are
bullish until proven otherwise. Uh there
are real concerns and again I'm not I'm
not saying we're not like at a 50/50
shot of a recession, but uh I I don't
see the Fed being bearish tomorrow and I
don't see the Fed panicking tomorrow. Uh
so that's my take on the Fed tomorrow.
And we've got some SAP estimates here.
Let's see what some of y'all say here.
Uh let's see here. Uh let's see here. Uh
we have somebody says Powell's going to
hawk to us. I don't think Powell's going
to hawk to us. Kevin, what's your bull
bear scale? I think I'm probably sitting
at like a, you know, I'm I'm concerned
about the labor market weakness, but
it's probably popped up to like the 49
to like five range. Probably in that
little range right there. Uh, so so it's
like I'm in the middle. Uh, kind of like
my politics. Uh, somebody says, "What if
he doesn't cut?" That's really unlikely.
If he doesn't cut, the market's going to
fall. You know, we saw the JP Morgan
forecast on that. Uh, and I agree with
it entirely. Uh it's it's it's not very
likely to me that they're not going to
cut. They would shock the market by
doing that. And inflation numbers, you
know, were not like so impressive that
we have to do that. Uh let's see here.
What else do we have here? Uh we've got
a lot of things. Okay, that's good.
Thanks, Sydney Sweeney. Exactly.
Uh okay. Yeah. Broadly, you all seem to
Jerome Powell gonna give Trump another
stroke. No, you know, the thing is
Jerome Powell could have given Trump a
stroke at the uh Jackson Hole meeting,
but he didn't.
That was a sign that Jerome Powell is
putting his sort of ego above
uh this this like let's get Trump thing.
and he's putting his ego aside and he's
saying, you know what, I will stand
there for doing what's right for the
economy, which is paying more attention
to the labor market and calling
inflation transitory. Basically, not
spotted transitory, but overtime
transitory. This means that we are going
to end up with a 25 basis point cut and
a setup for let's wait and see what the
numbers are for October. That's my take.
It was just in my opinion a relatively,
you know, boring call. Uh the somebody
says, "What's the probability of a Fed
50?" It's about 4.8% right now. So very
very low. Uh and then you have you have
Nick T. He's tweeting pictures right now
of uh the Fed.
Let's see here. He's got here we go.
Uh there's Jerome Powell. Look at that.
He's got the iPad. Oh, they've all got
the iPad. The keyboard iPads, bro. I got
the white one, too, right here. Let's
go. I could join the Fed. No way. Yeah,
it's This thing's heavy, by the way. You
carry this sucker around. But it's the
uh the white iPad. Uh the the keyboard
iPad. I love this thing. So, it's great.
That's awesome. They're all using This
is kind of actually a cool picture over
here. Uh, you've got there's Lisa Cook.
Oh, Lisa Cook. Where's They don't
show there's no picture of him. But
anyway, they're doing their This room is
a lot brighter than I thought it was. I
honestly when I had these visions of
like, you know, the boardroom for the
Fed, I always had these visions of it
being like a dark place,
which is crazy. Uh, so, uh, very
interesting. Uh, okay. So, uh, let's see
here.
That's it. That's that's the take on the
Fed. Pretty benign, honestly.
>> Why not advertise these things that you
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knows about this.
>> We'll we'll try a little advertising and
see how it goes.
>> Congratulations, man. You have done so
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you.
>> Kevin Pra there, financial analyst and
YouTuber. Meet Kevin. Always great to
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