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YIKES! Federal Reserve to Flip Flop Tuesday!

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hey everyone meet kevin here we actually

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federal reserve let's talk about what we

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okay folks let's talk about waller so

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waller says that he is open to

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supporting 50 basis points at several

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more meetings in addition to the ones

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that we already have planned we already

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had 50 in may 50 june 15 july 50 basis

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points of the fed funds rate right and

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the expectation for the markets right

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now is that we're going to raise the fed

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funds rate to somewhere between two and

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a half to three percent probably above

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the neutral rate which is deemed to be

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two and a half so probably two point

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seven five to three the market's already

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pricing that in now it is at least it

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took a while to price that fully it i

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mean this last five months of a stock

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market kind of collapse here is because

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the market has been pricing in oh okay

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we're going to be at one and a half by

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the end of year oh no we're gonna be at

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two at the end of the year oh no we're

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gonna be at three at the end of the year

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right so now you've got waller though

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he's a big fan of being so aggressive

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that we don't even have to care whether

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it's a demand problem or a supply

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problem which he just said in the

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interview

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with regard to what's causing inflation

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the problem is inflation is too high and

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it's taking too long to get it down now

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this taking too long to get it down is

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something that could create issues of

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impatience at the fed and it could lead

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them to make a policy mistake by hiking

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too much and then all of a sudden

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inflation does potentially come down at

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the same time as they've hiked too harsh

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which remember generally their efforts

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have a lagging impact on the market so

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we usually don't feel the impact of that

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fed funds rate until six months after

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even though verbally and then in the

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stock market the fed can verbally kind

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of affect the stock market with just

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what their plans are the

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latter impacts can take around six

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months to actually be felt it used to be

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thought that it takes about 18 months to

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feel federal reserve monetary policy

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efforts but now it's believed that

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because of the communications and modern

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age and how quick financial markets

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react that we could price things in

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quicker but still you have a lag here

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and so the big thing with waller is he

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wants to continue to hike hike until we

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start seeing a meaningful excite in

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inflation which you can't really blame

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him because we're not seeing a

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meaningful decline in inflation you look

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at the next cpi report and the

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expectations for the next one we're

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expecting to go from 8.3 inflation down

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to 8.2 it's like a 0.1 percent decrease

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in inflation that's not enough now the

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good news is we already know the fed's

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planning on hiking in june and july 50

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basis points that's already priced in

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the big question is what's going to

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happen on the september 20th meeting

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well the other thing to consider is

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we're going to get guidance not by this

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next cpi report but by the three after

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that see we're going to get on june 10th

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the cpi report for may okay great but

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then we have three more coming out after

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that the june report on july 13th the

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july report on august 10th and the

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august report on september 13th those

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three need to start showing meaningful

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declines in inflation and if we're not

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actually getting meaningful declines in

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those three reports not the next one but

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the three after that then we're gonna

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have problems and the worst case

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scenario is that we end up stuck

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somewhere of an inflation rate of like

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six and a half to seven and a half

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percent because then the fed is going to

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have to painfully paul volcker us

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because we'll probably see inflation

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expectations rise in the market because

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we're not getting them to come down

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inflation expectations can be measured

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by two things consumer surveys but my

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favorite is the five year break even

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because we know the fed uses it as well

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take a look at the right side over here

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2.99 this is the five-year break-even

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rate that's

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essentially a market's expectation of

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inflation you can see how we've really

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declined here in our inflation

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expectations from this peak over here in

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march and we kind of get these sort of

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like bobs up and down as long as we do

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see this rotate down we do believe and

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expect that inflation will also come

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down that's the hope fingers crossed

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we'll see so the cpi reports are going

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to be really really important the last

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thing that waller says that we want is

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that the public to believe that

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inflation will continue to go up because

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then he says it becomes economically

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difficult and painful to reduce

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inflation and he's right because he's

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basically talking about then having to

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paul volcarus fortunately right now even

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the hawk and this is a really important

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one in my opinion even the hawk is not

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saying we need to paul volcker

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even the hawk the most hawkish one is

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essentially saying hey like yeah we need

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to go above neutral maybe as much as a

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percent above neutral that would be

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three and a half percent right but we're

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not getting any indications from even

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the most hawkish person at the fed that

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oh we need to

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you know rug pull everybody we need to

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go for like an eight percent fed funds

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rate and and paul volcker us essentially

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like what happened in the early 80s

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where they raised the fed funds rate to

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above the rate of current inflation to

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really show markets that were forcing it

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down but always remember the big

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difference between the early 80s and now

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is that inflation expectations were

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skyrocketing we just left the dollar so

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you know the gold standard seven eight

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years before that actually a little bit

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more before that and uh expectations

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where this is it this is the end of a

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monetary regime that is not happening

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now which is good but what is happening

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is joe biden is going to meet with

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powell and you can only imagine that joe

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biden who's been sandbagged by a mansion

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and cinema who's gotten virtually

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nothing done the first his first two

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years is probably nervous about losing

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both the house and the senate in

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november and this is widely expected to

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happen and you know that even though

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powell and biden should be politically

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separate because powell does not work

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for the government they work for the fed

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and that is not part of the government

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you know that biden's got to sit down

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powell and probably in some private

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meeting go dude man like can we get

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inflation down at the same time as we

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can pump the stock market back up okay

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because trump said in his rallies the

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stock market would crash if you like the

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biden and i got an election coming up

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and uh we need uh

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and it's interesting because that

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political motivation kind of already

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aligns with what we're hearing from the

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fed that oh

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you know we'll probably pause in

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september and just see how things go and

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it's like oh okay really so if you pause

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in september

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and you pause and you go with like 25 bp

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hikes let's say september and november

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you still have the december meeting

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after the election where you could get

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more aggressive if you needed to so it

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wouldn't surprise me if they go 25

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september 25 november worst case

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scenario if they need to go higher they

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go like 50 75 or something insane in

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december and that'll be problematic that

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would mean that inflation didn't end up

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coming down it wasn't transitory which i

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know a lot of people are it was never

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transitory kevin let's get over it fine

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uh but but very interesting

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in my opinion paying attention to what

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comes out of that meeting probably going

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to be something relatively political

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and i'm curious to see what levers

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biden's going to try to pull and it'll

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be fascinating to see if powell changes

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his tune he definitely changed his tune

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from the last time they met the last

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time they met when uh powell was getting

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ready for confirmation all of a sudden

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powell became a little bit more hawkish

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and started

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stopped using the word transitory and

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all of a sudden it's like oh my gosh

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like we need to speak to the american

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people we will get inflation down it's

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kind of like to some degree and i hate

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saying this he kind of has to play a

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little bit as a joe biden puppet and

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this kind of similarly this pressure

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happened with trump as well trump was

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threatening to fire jerome powell back

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in 2018 if he didn't stop raising rates

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and powell ended up pausing now it could

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the argument could be made that don't

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worry like

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that

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powell would have made those decisions

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anyway but every time we have these

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meetings there tends to be in a little

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bit of an inflection point so let's pay

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attention to what comes out of that

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meeting the meetings on tuesday all

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right so thank you so much for watching

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