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No One Is Buying Computers Anymore

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Even though it's been happening for a

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while, I haven't actually made a

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dedicated video on this. Can I just rant

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about the absolute state of the PC

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industry right now? And frankly, not

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even just PCs, just consumer electronics

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in general. If you're someone that likes

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tech or if you're someone who is just

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getting interested in tech and you know,

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maybe you want to build your first

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computer, this is a horrible time to do

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so. this is an awful time to do so. I am

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a Linux gamer and obviously I care about

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things like the Steam Deck. The Steam

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Deck did an absolutely phenomenal thing

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for both Linux gaming and the Linux

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desktop in general. Obviously, Proton

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already existed, but it showed the

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regular gamer that Linux is actually

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viable for gaming as long as you don't

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play, you know, multiplayer competitive

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nonsense. Everything else, great

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experience. It's amazing. And things

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have been getting better. Even though

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when it first launched, it was in the

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middle of a global supply chain

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shortage.

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And now we don't have a global supply

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chain shortage. We have a global RAM

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shortage and a global flash storage

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shortage. And now the Steam Deck is just

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not in stock in most of the world. There

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are still third party sellers that are

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selling the Steam Deck, but those are

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obviously going to dry up eventually.

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There's going to be secondhand sellers,

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things like that. So, there's going to

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be some like stock floating around, but

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you just can't easily buy a Steam Deck

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right now, which what does that mean for

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the Steam Machine? How much of this is

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Valve taking any allocation they had and

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then moving it over to the Steam

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Machine? And how much of this is Valve

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just not having anything to build

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anything? We don't know what's happening

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with the Steam Machine because Valve is

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being relatively quiet about it and I

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understand why because I don't think

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they know what's happening either. They

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probably have some numbers that are

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floating around, some ideas of what's

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going on, but until they are ready to

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launch something, it's really hard to

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commit to anything right now. So, they

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put out this post a little while ago

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basically trying to answer some of the

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questions like pricing and timing and

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things like that. And pretty much what

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they said is

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due to RAM pricing,

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we don't know. Due to storage pricing,

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we don't know. I'm sure they had like a

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relatively sane price in mind initially,

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but when you talk about PC like pricing

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now,

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that's well over $1,000. And all of this

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is because of absolutely ridiculous RAM

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and also flash storage pricing primarily

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being caused by a massive demand for AI

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data centers. prime example of that.

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Open AI secured roughly 40% of the

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world's RAM supply for their Stargate

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project. And that lasts, I believe they

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have it until like 2028

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or something stupid like that. And

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that's just one project and one company.

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There are lots of others. And if you're

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making RAM, I understand why you're not

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selling to consumers. And if you are,

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you're raising the price because you

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have guaranteed sales going right to the

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AI companies, going to the AI data

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centers if you're a company. Like that

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is logically the thing you would do.

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Now, I do wish they would up production

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and this would become less of a problem,

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but this is the state we're in. What

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makes this especially bad is whilst you

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as a consumer might go and buy your RAM

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dims from all of these different

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companies, when we talk about the actual

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production of the RAM chip modules that

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go on the dims, there's basically three

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companies that do 90% of the world's

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production. That is Samsung, SKHEX, and

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Micron,

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who also make the RAM for your GPUs. who

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also make not as much but together a

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majority of the flash storage modules

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closer to 60 65%.

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We are seeing DDR5 pricing go upwards of

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4x the price within a year.

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Modules that you bought like January

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last year,

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let's say it was uh $200,

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$800 for the exact same thing. Now,

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there is some very recent reports of

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minor price drops in Europe. This

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literally just happened like 2 days ago.

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I wouldn't put too much stock in this. A

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lot of people are going to see this

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like, "Oh my god, PRICES ARE FINALLY

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COMING DOWN. THIS IS AMAZING. PRICES ARE

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COMING DOWN." FIRSTLY, it's a small

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drop. It's still upwards of 4x the

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price. It's just not 5x the price

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anymore. So, that's something at least.

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Also, my expectation is they literally

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cannot sell it at that price. So, people

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are just not buying it. And we'll get

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more to that in just a minute. Also, I

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would expect that a lot of the people

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that were buying RAM anyway probably

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have stopped panic buying. So, with less

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panic buying, there's less of a sort of

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push to raise the price even further.

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Without long-term data, it's really hard

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to say exactly what is happening here.

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But I really don't think prices are

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going to just come back down,

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let alone come back down to where they

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were. I don't think prices are ever

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going back to where they were. We're not

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going to see prices like this anymore.

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What's going to happen is prices will

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come down eventually, but I expect still

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probably minimum

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double the price, probably even more

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than that. There is no world where

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you're seeing things return to how they

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were. You know what happened with GPU

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prices postco?

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Things are not going back to the way

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they were. Things have been getting so

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bad that for a while people were buying

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up so dim modules which is laptop RAM

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and then using an adapter to run that in

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their desktop system. It technically

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sort of works. It can be a little

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unstable, but at least at the time it

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hadn't yet been hit by the price hike,

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at least anywhere near as much. Even

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now, it has gone up. It's just not as

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much because there's just way less

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interest in laptop memory and getting it

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working is

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a bit rough. As for regular desktop RAM,

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a lot of people aren't even considering

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GDDR5 platforms. A lot of them are just

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staying on DDR4.

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But even then, we are seeing people who

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are building DDR3

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machines. People are buying DDR3

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motherboards, DDR3 memory, older CPUs

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that use a DDR3 motherboard, and

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we're seeing price rises there.

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Now the thing is for a lot of people if

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you're not doing like rendering you're

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not playing the most up to-ate games on

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the highest settings if you just need a

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computer frankly a DDR3 machine is

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actually totally fine now for some

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reason and I don't know how people had

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this much copium

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there were people going around saying

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Chinese RAM was going to save the day

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Chinese RAM it's so much cheaper it

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works in a regular motherboard oh my god

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we just buy Chinese RAM and then and

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then everything is good. So, China has

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some domestic manufacturers that weren't

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really selling globally as such hadn't

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really been hit by the price hikes and

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it's just regular RAM. It's by some

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companies that exist in China. People

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started buying the RAM and hey, guess

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what happened when they started selling

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more outside of China? Um,

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they just sold at market rate and then

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the discount is is is just gone. What I

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will say is having more manufacturers of

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RAM is going to put global supply chain

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pressure on RAM pricing and probably

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will affect pricing to some extent.

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However,

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there are AI companies in China and

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Chinese AI companies are going to want

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RAM as well. So, they're not going to

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just sit back and just ignore a local

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supplier. So this idea that Chinese RAM

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would save the day just didn't even make

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any sense as a premise. Now RAM has been

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the main focus because RAM has been the

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most affected by the problem. But flash

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memory again is made by mostly the same

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companies and also has been having a

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price hike. This means your 2 and 1/2 in

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SSDs, your M.2 drives, fun stuff like

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this. It also means any devices that

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happen to have flash storage like you

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know phones

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and

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everything else that has storage

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basically because pretty much no one is

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using a spinning metal disc, especially

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in a device that is supposed to be

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portable. It's been nowhere near as bad.

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We've seen price hikes in the range of

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30 to 60%,

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sometimes worse depending on the region.

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I recently had to buy a new drive. It

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was 400 Australian dollars for a two

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terbte drive. I was not happy about it,

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but

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I had to buy it. I needed the drive. And

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that's the problem, right? I needed a

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drive. I needed my computer to be

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working correctly. You can't just not

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buy it. Now, there's secondhand stuff,

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but because the primary new market is

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going up, the secondand market is also

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going to be going up. Also, secondhand

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drives can be a little bit iffy.

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Secondhand RAM's definitely a lot

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better. But again, if you see the market

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is saying $1600 for 32 GB of RAM, what's

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your secondhand RAM going to be CHARGED

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AT? PROBABLY PRETTY close to that. And

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while storage isn't as bad just yet,

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prices are expected to continue rising

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at least for the rest of the year. I

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would honestly expect longer. And

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when we're talking about businesses,

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right, businesses will buy computers

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because they have to. But what about

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regular people? What are regular people

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doing? So, we're also seeing price

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raises happening with GPUs, which is

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also great. So, here's where we're at.

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GPUs are going up. RAM is going up.

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Storage is going up. What about the

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things that uh don't have those issues?

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What's happening there? Well, prices of

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motherboards are not going up. But if

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you can't buy the RAM for it, if you

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can't buy a new GPU, if you can't buy

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storage, well, it's pretty logical

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what's going to happen.

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No one's buying CPUs. Down 51%

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yearonear. And the exact same thing is

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happening with motherboards. Down 50%

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because if you can't build a PC,

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why would you buy the parts that haven't

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gone up? And if you have a PC right now

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and it works,

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why would you leave the platform that's

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going to charge you a lot more money? If

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you have working RAM, like

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unless you just really want to upgrade,

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you have like a business reason to do

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so,

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it's really getting hard to justify

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actually spending that money. For some

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reason early on there were this idea

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that like consoles were not gonna be

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affected by the pricing. I don't know

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where anyone got that idea because

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consoles have all of the same problems

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that PCs have here. It's just you don't

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really get to see the price of the

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individual components and well

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there's there's there's been some price

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hikes. Also sometimes with consoles the

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price hikes aren't directly with the

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console. It's going to be price hikes

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with their subscriptions and other

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things surrounding it or game price

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increases, things where they can make

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back the money in various other ways.

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This is happening to the entire tech

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industry. Many consumer electronics

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manufacturers will go bankrupt or exit

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product lines by the end of 2026 due to

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the AI memory crisis. Feison CEO

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reportedly says this is a problem that

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is going to affect everyone even if you

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don't have a PC. This is going to affect

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phones. It's going to affect tablets.

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It's going to affect laptops. It's going

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to affect desktops. It's going to affect

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consoles. It's going to affect cars. Not

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to the same extent because they tend to

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have not that much RAM. And the price of

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the RAM is very small in comparison to

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the rest of the car, but as cars get

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more technologically advanced, there's

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more electronics, there's more RAM,

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there's more storage.

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Everything

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everything electronic gets affected.

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Consumer electronics will see a large

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number of failures from the end of this

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year to 2026. This was the end of 2025.

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Many system vendors will go bankrupt or

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exit product lines due to a lack of

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memory. Mobile phone production will be

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reduced by 200 to 250 million units and

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PC and TV production will be

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significantly reduced. Oh yeah, didn't

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mention that one. Also TVs. Yeah,

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because you know smart TVs have lots of

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additional RAM in them and

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yay. Um, imagine

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imagine if you're like you work an

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artisan PC builder right now. You must

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be terrified about what's going to

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happen over the next like year or

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actually best case estimates say this is

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going to last until like 2028. Some are

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even predicting out to 2030. If you're

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an artisan PC builder, if you manage to

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stay in business for all this time, I'm

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going to be genuinely impressed because

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if you're a Dell, if you're an HP, if

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you have government and business

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contracts, governments and businesses

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will continue buying whatever you charge

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them. But if you're trying to sell to

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regular people, you run a gaming PC

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company,

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I can only imagine that your numbers

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probably look pretty similar to what

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we're seeing happen to CPUs, what we're

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seeing happen to motherboards, possibly

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even worse. Another very fun thing

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that's been happening is there's been

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talk of HP having a gaming laptop

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subscription service, a rental laptop, a

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lease laptop. Leasing is pretty common

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in the corporate world. Lease to own is

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pretty common for consumers. But there

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is no owning here. There is you are

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renting the laptop. Now, is this a bad

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deal? The problem

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is it's really hard to say that it is

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with the way things are right now

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because basically it is like 16 to 19

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months of the price that you pay to

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purchase the device

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and you're going to be able to get

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upgrades and other things like that. So

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I don't like it. I really don't like it,

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but it's not a bad deal for a lot of

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people, and that's really annoying to

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me. I don't like the idea of renting a

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laptop. Business is obviously different,

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but like a personal laptop that you're

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renting,

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but with things the way they are,

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I see why people might be interested.

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funnily enough, um, also

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we all know that Apple does like

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ridiculous RAM pricing, but Apple has

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yet to increase their RAM prices. If

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they have, it's been like a very minor

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increase. This somehow makes Apple a

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good deal for RAM.

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I don't know how this world exists.

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Obviously, they're going to raise prices

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with the next device, but I don't know

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how this world exists and how we got

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here. So, everything sucks. Everything

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is going to keep sucking. And

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well, it's a really bad time to be a

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young person that wants to get involved

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in tech, isn't it? But hey, maybe, just

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maybe, this is the excuse people to

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write good optimized code. If they don't

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have fast hardware, they got to make it

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work somehow. That's my copium. That's

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my opium.

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It's not going to happen. But hey,

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maybe. Anyway, what's probably going to

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happen is everyone like cloud computing

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and nobody owns a computer. And anyway,

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um yeah, if you like the video, go like

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the description down below. That's going

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to be it for me. And

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what do I say?

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If it don't involve money, then I don't

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accept. If it don't involve money, then

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I don't accept.

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