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I don't think we ever fought in real

life.

>> No.

>> No.

>> We got that out like in the performance,

I guess.

>> Good for us.

>> Yeah.

>> Not really.

>> I remember the process. It's funny cuz

the original script they were doing like

an eight mile type vibe.

>> Yep.

>> Do you remember that?

>> Yeah, I do. it they were going to kind

of go with a eight mile thing and then

we kind of changed a little bit and went

where the show went which was ultimately

the better choice and originally

they had called and said hey uh so we'd

like you to play Nathan you remember

that those days

>> but I had already kind of been Charlie

Todd and Tristan Drey and I'd kind of

done the bad boy thing and I was looking

forward to just just kind of being the

moral compass and trying to do something

a a little different. And so I said, I'd

really like to play Lucas. So I remember

Mark Schwan took me over to Tolen's

house and said, "All right, we're going

to play some oneon-one. You pass this,

you're going to get the gig." And I

failed miserably. [snorts]

He's like, "Okay, all right. We got some

work to do." And I just remember I was

walking down the street. I don't

remember what I was doing, but I was

remember I was walking down the street

and I happened to be in Beverly Hills

and I got the phone call that we were

moving forward and that that was going

to be the show that we were going to do

and that I was immediately going to

basketball coaching for the entire

summer until we were ready to go.

>> Yeah. I mean, I was uh 17 and my mom was

bringing me into LA for auditions and

sort of the flip side of your story. I

read for just an initial read with just

me and the casting director for Lucas

and obviously I was really excited about

the role cuz I played basketball in high

school and it was like, you know, I was

I was not much older than the actual

character. So, it was right up my alley.

And after that read, they brought me

back in said, "We've got our guy for

Lucas, but would you like to read for

Nathan?" And I was like, "Absolutely,

let's do it." So after that, I tested I

tested did like five auditions with like

the network and the studio executives,

went to my acting coach and he like

tuned me up and made it all the way down

to the end to the basketball test at

Mike Tolen's house and uh was playing

one-on-one against Brian Robbins and he

scored the first two points and then he

sort of pulled me aside and he was like,

"You know that you're playing for your

job, Right. And I was like, "Yeah." He

was like, "Okay." Then I didn't let him

score again. So, yeah.

>> And he hammered it home.

>> Did you dunk on him?

>> I did not I did not dunk on him, but

he's crafty. He's crafty out there.

Yeah, for sure. But yeah, I've

thankfully passed that test and I was on

my way to Wilmington.

>> Crazy. But then they had to pick up the

pilot.

>> Yep.

>> And then we waited the whole summer to

find out if we were going and picked up

in May. But I remember when we shot when

I got the pilot originally. This was one

of the few shows that I had read and I

had done a few other failed pilots and I

just remember writing on the cover of

the script. The show's got legs.

>> Flashes in the paint. Fergie finds him

on the wings. Scott

for the game.

>> You could see the beginning of something

really cool.

>> There was something about it.

Absolutely.

>> Yeah.

>> Y

>> we got lucky. [cheering]

I remember being like really excited and

nervous for sure. Yeah. But the thing is

is I remember like you had worked in

Wilmington before.

>> I had never been to North Carolina. You

knew the ropes there a bit. You had

worked there a bit. It was nice to have

that experience there.

>> I mean, don't you guys ever think that

maybe we belong here?

>> Yeah, I remember that part of it. The

early days of the show, it was like I

had done Dawson's Creek there.

>> Well, just so you know,

I'm not that guy. And so I'd spent a

year already kind of learning from those

who came before us, from Josh and James

and Michelle and Katie and everybody.

And so kind of knew the town a little

bit, knew the lay of the land, which was

fun for all of us cuz I mean when we

first started it was just like you move

out to North Carolina. You're in this

small town and we're all going through

the same process. We're all away from

home. We don't really know anybody and

we're working with each other every

single day and that's your family. like

these are the people that you know and

you can share something and you have

common goals and you're aspiring for the

same thing. So I think became a really

close tight family.

>> Yeah.

>> And we'll go to dinners all the time and

that was always the plan.

>> You know, everyone get together and just

go.

>> Yeah. I mean, I remember initially the

impact on me was that I was filming

where Dawson's Creek was filming. And

when we shot our pilot episode, they

were shooting their final episode of

their series.

>> And I remember the transbow vans taking

us through downtown and and the Dawson's

Creek production was shooting downtown

and I saw Katie Holmes and I was fully

starruck. Like fully starruck. And I

just remember thinking, man, they've

been here for six years. That is wild. I

can't believe that. Like it never even

occurred to me in that moment that we

would be there for anywhere near that

long. So for me it was really really

cool and I just I grew to love the

place. Absolutely. It became a little

bubble in good and bad ways but I think

mostly good.

>> There's always something to shooting a

show on location like that. Right.

Wilmington became a character in show.

>> Yeah.

>> Without Wilmington I don't know that the

show is as successful somewhere else. I

just don't think it happens.

>> Yeah.

>> It's a character. It's a total character

in the show and it shapes the show. the

same thing it did with Dawson's Creek

and these picturesque beautiful

sceneries that you get to see and the

energy, the vibe.

>> Scott,

what's up, coach?

>> Not you. You.

>> I remember it felt like high school in

that respect. Everybody was working all

the time cuz all the characters were

together all the time. And so things

like a hurricane blows through town or

something like that. And it's like

everybody has like a hurricane party in

the hotel. And

>> that was fun. Those were good times.

Hurricane parties in the hotel. in the

Thing episode. I don't know why, but

that episode's burned into my brain.

>> This one's funny. Thing, let's killed

him last.

>> Wait, your name is Thing.

>> That's right.

>> That episode is the one that comes to my

mind every time I think about the early

days,

>> right?

>> For some reason.

>> And I'm Thing one.

>> Okay. Wait, let me guess. Thing two,

thing three, cuz I'm a third. I remember

those were the first days that I was

like, "Oh, I just did my first 17-hour

day or my first 18 hour day." And I

wonder if that has something to do with

it because there was the days just sort

of became one in that episode

especially.

>> Yep. Get your clothes off, boys.

>> You're going shopping.

>> Him and I are I think our clothes got

stolen and we're running around

>> and our boxers

>> in our boxers

>> written with stuff written on our back.

Raven suckers out.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> And we're running around the woods as

they're like running around. The things

are running around, i.e. like warriors.

Ravens, come out and play.

>> Oh, Ravens,

come out and play.

>> And uh we're running around the back lot

and it was just Mosquito Valley. And I

think we started work and we didn't

finish and the sun had already come up,

gone down like we saw the whole cycle.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Some of my favorite moments ever filming

were our nights at the river court.

>> Yes. You

>> ready for this? Why not? It's your life.

There's a magic in the air and you're

looking over the water and the lights

are all beautiful in the city even

though we lit most of those up

ourselves.

>> Yeah.

>> And there's this fog rolling in late at

night and we got the big old helium

balloons blowing up to light up the and

you see the battleship right there and

you know as the seasons went on we had

fans lined up all around the court.

Yeah,

>> we were playing. Yep.

>> It was pretty pretty crazy. Those are my

favorite nights.

>> And if we were shooting there it was

usually probably because we had some

night work to do there which means that

we were likely going to see the sunrise.

which also made it kind of magical and

mystical in a way. Those were some of my

earliest fondest memories of of shooting

the show as being out there on that

river court that they built, you know,

just for the show and they tore it down.

>> Should have left it.

>> I It would have been so cool if they

left it.

>> Yeah.

>> I'd be out there shooting hoops every

time we went back,

>> right?

>> 100%.

>> Loop for the win.

[cheering]

>> I would not consider myself a basketball

player. Now, can I say that I learned a

lot? Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah.

>> There's no I I was surrounded by so many

great athletes there. I mean, all of our

guys that came, all the Ravens, they're

the same guys, you know. They all had to

come in. They all had to audition. They

all had to play ball. They all had to be

selected by Brendan, our coach, and kind

of like coordinator, basketball

coordinator. They all had to be

selected. So, all these guys were great

athletes. They'd played ball their whole

lives. And so, when you're around that

all the time, you're going to learn

things.

I think the big thing for me was that

basketball was never my passion. I think

if I would have developed a passion for

it, then I would have been on the

weekends playing. I would have and they

they did and I think I would have gotten

much better at it. Uh I have a passion

for football. That's my that's my sweet

spot. And so yeah, I could sit all on

the weekends all day. I'm out there. I

mean, I'm coaching my son out in Nova

Scotia and I love it. Like it's the

greatest thing in the in the world for

me. So, it's it's very similar in that

aspect, but I I learned

>> Yeah.

>> enough to get by.

>> Now, I will say like you you to go from,

you know, you didn't play at all. And by

the time I met you, I think you had been

training for a couple of months with

Brendan. And to go from like really

never playing to where you were when

even when I first met you, it was

definitely impressive. And I think like

a testament to how much you cared about

the show. Like even if you didn't love

basketball, you you know, you wanted you

loved the show and you wanted it to be

as good as it could be. And that showed

and how quickly you learned. For sure.

>> I didn't want to ever let anybody down.

That's the hard part is never wanted to

let anybody down, you know. So like even

if you did miss a shot, you gosh,

>> everybody's got to go back to one

because me and and that that'll get to

you. So you like you really want to

perform.

>> [cheering]

>> I think he really thrived when it was

time for us to just throw up a couple

fullcourt shots at the end of the day.

That's when he could really just heave

it across the gym. That was great.

>> Yeah. Yeah. It's my sweet spot.

>> Expect plenty more of that father son

game cuz we're going to crush you guys.

>> James Ly had the best basketball.

>> I will say Paul Johansson's good.

>> Paul Johansson played professionally. He

was so so good.

>> Did you ever play one-on-one with him?

>> He probably tried to get me to play

one-on-one with him, but he was so much

bigger than me and still very very

athletic.

>> Um, there's no way I would have like

actually done it. I would have just been

like, "No, I'm good. I'm trying to.

[laughter]

>> No way, man." And it's wild to think

that he was

>> What What do you think he was? 35, 36?

>> He was 36 37. Yeah.

>> Wow.

>> When he started.

>> So, I'm like easily three years older

than him now than when he started.

>> Yeah. We don't talk about them.

[laughter]

It's not true. There's no way. I'm

circle a decade order than

>> full circle.

>> None of us want you on the team, man. I

don't want you. The guys don't want you.

>> He is exactly like season one. Early

Nathan.

>> Exactly. That's what I was going to say.

>> Pretty identical. Like if you were like,

"What's James?" Like like you ever see

early One Tree Hill when Nathan was kind

of a prick?

>> Nailed it.

>> Full-blown. Kidding. Kidding. Kidding.

No guys. Amazing. Lovely. That's why

they wanted him for Lucas. If I can

describe Lucas in one word,

bastard.

>> That was the fun part though was playing

that part of the character. That was

definitely fun. I think that's that

version of him was I don't know,

especially as a teenager when like you

like at that time, you know, you still

have a little bit of like the teenage

angst that you don't know what to do

with. It was really fun to like just

play that version of Nathan for sure.

Well, what what I find interesting about

any show I think that goes on for a

really long time is that the characters

and you become you kind of intertwine.

For instance, Lucas became a writer a

lot in part because I was constantly

writing and I always wanted to write.

And I think that the characters really

start to come much more similar to who

we were. And I don't know if that's

because we're spending so much time in

their shoes that we start to kind of

lean towards who they are.

>> Yeah.

>> I don't know what that's all about

>> or if it's like the other way around.

>> However, it's the other way around.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, I do know that some of it was

taken because, you know, A and B was

happening in your life and it was like,

oh, well, this makes sense. Let's just

do that.

>> Just going straight into the script.

>> Yeah. Like Lucas Scott only got HCM

because Chad was not enjoying

basketball. [laughter] It is what it is

what it is.

>> Yeah. I I that's a that's a good that's

a good point that you bring up like

which one comes first because I remember

feeling the same thing. I remember not

knowing anymore if the dialogue,

you know, written for Nathan was in like

the cadence of my voice or if my voice

became had become the cadence of the way

that Nathan spoke.

>> Right?

>> I used to be somebody Haley. Do you

understand that? Do you understand what

that means? I used to be Nathan Scott

and I was great. That's part of what

comes with being on a show that goes

that long. And if you have if you're

lucky enough to experience something

like that. Um, you know, maybe maybe you

will in that way. But as far as like

differences or similarities with the

actual character, I mean, I think I was

probably the most different from Nathan

early on, you know, in those early

seasons. Um, and similar more similar to

him later when he was much more

mildmannered. But I did miss that. I

missed the hottempered. I was like I I

very almost every season I would just

wonder like where did that version of

him go? Like I want to see it every once

in a while or a little bit more, you

know?

>> Right. And I remember the same for

Lucas. I was like, dude, Lucas is always

the moral compass of the show. Can we do

something bad for once?

>> Yeah.

>> Can Lucas do something wrong, please?

>> Screw up.

>> Love Pete, let me screw up and have some

fun with it.

>> And you know, I I think that that's

probably why I like would shave my head

or do something crazy with my hair

because it was only control over

anything in my life I had. Um went

through a lot of bad hair seasons due to

that. What is it with us actors and and

our hair and just doing weird things?

>> You have no control over anything.

>> Yeah.

>> So, you're like, you know what?

>> It's the only thing I can control.

>> It's mine.

>> So, I'll just shave it off.

>> Yeah. Or grow it out. Do a really bad

job of it.

>> You know, if you want to do something

nice for Haley, you might want to try

investing in a razor.

>> The hair journey. My hair journey wasn't

that interesting. I did have this thing

where like I had to cut my hair um

because they needed to make they needed

my character to have long hair, but they

were going to do flashbacks. So, they

ended up having to paste or like put

extensions in my hair. So, I had this

big like long lion's mane and they took

the hair

>> when you were in the wheelchair.

>> Yes. Yeah.

>> And then they took the hair that they

had cut from my head and they cut it

into little tiny pieces and they pasted

it with glue onto my face to do this

every day for like several episodes. U

it took hours and it was like it was the

summer as well, so it was so itchy.

>> Itchy. Um and then you go to lunch and

it's in your mouth.

>> Oh, I could Yeah, 100%. Um so yeah, that

was my hair journey all in one thing

there.

>> What happened to your head?

[music]

I figured new town, new look.

>> Okay, whatever you say, Felicity.

>> I went through a lot of hair journeys.

There's a lot of cringe in there.

[laughter]

>> But you know what?

>> I don't remember cringe. I don't

>> It's because we're fortunate enough to

not go back and do like a rewatch. Oh, I

can't. If I went back and watched it.

>> What do you think was the What do you

think was the most cringe?

>> Season 4.

>> Season four.

>> I think this is what I've been told.

>> So, remember this is what I've been

told. All right. All right. We're going

to be real. Okay. We're going to go

brass tax real. I remember there was a

liberation moment. I shaved the head,

but also because I was going to go do

House of Wax. So, that's kind of why I

actually did internship because I wanted

>> I wanted the character to be different

from from Lucas and from how I was

known. You know, I just wanted to be an

actor. And I think that that's what you

really want is creativity.

>> Then, as the seasons went on, I just

wanted a different identity, right? So

then I remember growing it out, but I

didn't know how to style it. There was

no there was no rhyme or reason. I think

there was a platinum blonde moment in

there too where I bleached my hair.

>> Yeah. I went to the Bombers with all my

friends as you do and I lost a bet and

>> to to just bleach your hair.

>> Correct.

>> Oh.

>> We got back to the show and they liked

it and they just kept it. They didn't

like dye it back to its

>> Okay.

>> original color. So that's cuz you lost a

bet.

>> I lost a bet. Yeah. I think there's a

lot of finding yourself, you know, and

and and when you get down to the truth

of it, I just had no idea who I was and

I thought I was something that I wasn't

and I wanted to be this guy and so

you're trying to do all these different

things to be something and when really

at the end of the day just be you and

that's all you can be and it took me a

long time to discover that and to

finally be like you know who I am like

stop like you're not just just be you

just be happy just be the jovial guy

that you are and I think that's why I

changed my hurt so many millions of

times.

>> What are you talking about, Haley?

>> Um,

we got married last night. [music]

>> I need to know how you feel about the

fact that your character got married in

high school.

>> Teaching moment, James.

>> Yes. Yes. Good question. I remember like

now it seems far more ridiculous to me

than it did at the time. Um, I wasn't

that much older than the character. And

I think when you are that young, you

kind of feel like you should be doing

anything that all adults do anyways. So

like what's the big deal? But I do

remember what a big deal it was just

from like everybody else's reaction on

set and the fact that it was like the

first I think it was the first episode

we had where the script they used to

give us like physical scripts instead of

just sending PDFs. Um the script had

like these red pages like the last two

were red and I guess that meant like do

not photocopy these you know the

sensitive material and and reading that

and just being like oh I guess this is

like a really big deal and then going

into the makeup trailer and like you

know um Joyy's in there and she's like

did you see what's going on? And that's

when I realized like oh this is going to

be kind of like a a real cliffhanger or

something. It's going to be like there's

going to be a reaction here. So yeah, I

mean I think looking back on it, it

seems like a crazy choice. Um uh but at

the time it was just it just felt like

fun, you know, good good TV. I I didn't

think that like the marriage would last

or anything. I was like, "Oh, they're

doing this so that they can, you know,

it can go down in flames." Um [laughter]

so so that was yeah, that was that. But

then yeah, I think the reaction to Na in

general, it's honestly it's just

wonderful. like it really makes me feel

like Joy and I obviously did something

right there. And it was such a pleasure

to play that relationship with her. And

so, you know, the fact that it went the

distance for the show and the fact that

it went the distance for the the fan

base. Yeah, I'm I'm proud of it. I love

you, Haley.

>> I love you, too.

>> Who would you say is the stronger

couple, Haley and Nathan, or Payton and

Lucas?

>> Oh, here's where we are getting set up.

>> Yeah, it's a major fail. There's no

there's no Is there a right answer?

>> No. It's hard to say. They both go the

distance, right? Like why

>> agreed.

>> Does there have to be

I think in my personal opinion they're

both starcross lovers, right? You got

the whole thing going on there. You

know, she's my best friend, he's my

brother. That's you know, the bad guy.

Um you can't you can't date my best

friend. What are you doing? So there's

that whole aspect of it. And like you

better take care of her to the end of

time. And sure enough, he does. He's a

man of his word and it goes on forever.

And the show literally revolves around

Na when Leighton leaves, you know, like

that is the world. And then Payton from

the pilot, it was that moment at the

Rivercourt. And I said it a million

times and I'll say it again when Luke

looks at her. I mean, even as soon as

the car, she slams on the car breaks and

I'm standing there and I take the ear

pods out. They're not earpods.

>> They don't exist back then.

>> We know what you're talking about. We

know what you're talking about. But when

Luke looks at her and says, "I'll be

seeing you." And there's that moment and

it hangs out in the air. That moment

right there to me summed up the

relationship that it was always going to

be. Does that make sense?

>> Yeah. I think points for for Leighton

too for like embarking on a journey as

well, like regardless of, you know, the

circumstances that surrounded it having

to happen. But like the character in the

fictional world like went on this

adventure together to go live somewhere

else besides Tree Hill.

>> Take a ride with me. Payton. [music]

>> Don't you mean Payton Scott?

>> Which is I think something that Nye

didn't do. Like Ney is like, you know,

famous for like staying home and like

being that sort of like rock. But I

think there's like an aspirational sort

of like you know ambitious aspect to the

characters to that to Leaden that is

that is pretty cool. Yeah.

>> We're on a yacht somewhere in New

Zealand.

>> Exactly. Exactly.

>> Good old Andy.

>> So take a look in that mirror and remind

yourself to be happy because you deserve

to be.

Believe that.

What was the most out there or like

shocking thing that happened on the show

that you both were just like, "How are

we pulling this off?" Like,

>> "Oh, I mean, it's got to be the scene

that you were in."

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> I'm going to You take it away. You were

there.

>> Okay. I remember I begged and pleaded.

Begged and pleaded. Please, I don't need

to be there. There is no need for Lucas

Scott

>> to be there.

>> Lucas,

>> is everything all right? That's fine.

>> If you really want to do it, fine. go

ahead and write the scene, but it's

terrible.

>> I'm getting a heart. It's about time.

>> And I remember I started to care a lot

more and I started to really get more

involved and just wanted to like I don't

know, I just was older and starting to

try to take ownership of my own things,

right? Instead of 20 or 21, I was

probably 25. And uh I saw it, read the

script, and I knew exactly what they

were. I was like, they want this to make

the soup. Remember that show, the soup?

And I was like, "This is a total

promotional scene." I mean, I'll set it

up for you. Ready?

>> And my dog happened to eat, say,

>> 3 o of actually some really nice

Lebanese hash, would you say he'd be

okay or no?

>> All things are very possible, I guess,

in the spectrum of things. So, if you

were at home and you were making pot

brownies, as one does, and your fell

asleep and your dog happened to get into

said pot brownies and ingest the entire

tin, first thing, of course, you're

going to do take him to the ER.

>> Sit your stupid ass [music] down and

I'll call a veterinarian.

>> Next, we're going to obviously get

exhausted cuz we also ate some of these

said pot brownies and fell asleep.

Meanwhile, my dog's leash, it's like one

of those 25 ft leashes. It goes and

wraps around the whole ER. And then, of

course, if you're going to bring a heart

replacement in, it's coming right in

through the ER.

>> And it's not locked off. The case is not

locked off. It's coming right in.

>> No, just a standard igloo.

>> Standard, you know. Yeah. Like you're

camping.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Camping with cooler. Really?

>> Cooler.

>> Yeah.

>> Going to walk right in through those

doors where, in fact, my dad is waiting

to get set hard. He's not in the

prepping room. And if you have a trip

line in the middle of an ER, you will

trip and the igloo flies and the heart

goes getting across the room. It's not

in a package. It's just sitting right

there on top of ice. Somehow the dog got

off the leash. Not sure how, but he did.

Of course, I happen to be there.

And as I'm standing there, it picks it

up and scarfs up and it runs off. And I

witnessed this entire thing as Dan Scott

also witnesses. [music] And he knows

that that that's probably his heart that

just got eaten by the stoned dog who had

the munchies.

Wow. That's a reach.

>> Can I just say that was really

impressive like what you just did. Like

I feel like that should be like a show

in in itself. Like just you on a stool

with like a spotlight live audience. You

taking the audience through that scene

just narrating it like you did. It can

play on the screen behind you. That was

>> great.

>> Thank you, sir. Thank you.

>> Um, but yeah, how many times have you

had to break that scene down? I mean,

people must ask you about that all the

time.

>> All the time.

>> It's Yeah,

>> that scene went down in infamy.

>> I get asked about it all the time. I

wasn't in the scene. Like,

>> I asked I said, "I don't need to be in

the scene." Like, ah, it's the pin. It's

the button on the scene that you smirk

about it and laugh about it. It's like,

okay. All right. Yeah. That was that

that was that. But yeah, we get asked

about that all the time. That was our

jumping the shark moment. [music]

>> It's a great song.

>> It's a great song.

>> That's what I think about it. I mean, I

can 100% see how people could get really

tired of their own theme song for their

show or anybody could get tired of any

theme song for any show because it's

played so repetitively. But that song

doesn't get old for me. It's a great

song. It's a great song. It's in the

right genre for me. I like that it's got

that rock edge to it, you know, very

alternative, kind of, you know, teen

angsty. I think I just reposted a thing

that Hulu had posted cuz the show is on

Hulu if you want to stream it right now.

And it said,

"Name a better theme song." And I I just

don't think you can. I mean, there's a

lot of great songs, right? You got like

Cheers and Friends and Dawson's Creek.

Uh, but that song

was so pop culture that it plays

everywhere and it still does, you know,

and sometimes, which is the weirdest

thing. Do you ever walk, do you ever

like do a cross country trip or go into

some grocery store and all a sudden it

plays and you're at the checkout line,

you go,

>> "Yep." Have you ever been somewhere

where they played it intentionally after

you walked in? [laughter]

>> Because that's happened to me. It's

pretty mortifying.

>> Where can Do you remember? Yeah, I was

at a film festival in I was at the

Heartland Film Festival in Indiana and I

walked into a bar and I was like the

only person in this bar. I just stopped

in for a beer real quick before the

screening and [snorts] uh and uh yeah,

the staff was there setting up and they

I sat down, I ordered a beer and they

they started playing it and the

bartender was like, "I'm sorry,

>> Jukebox.

>> That's okay. [laughter]

>> It's good. It's good.

>> Yeah. Um,

>> at least it's a good song.

>> It's a great song.

>> Yeah. And he's awesome as well. Like

he's such a great guy. And that was I

think one of the cool things about the

the early days was like coming to New

York, you know, for promo stuff here.

Yeah. Like Gavin would come with us.

He's just such a cool guy. I remember

like really enjoying spending time with

him in those early days.

>> So, make your wish.

>> Do you have it?

Good.

Now believe in it.

>> What's it like when you're all back

together again?

>> It's like nothing ever changed, man.

It's like just it's the same. Honestly,

I just feel like the flow of

conversation is the same. We spent so

much time together on that show. I feel

like it's pretty much like if you were

to go to like a high school reunion or

something, you know, everybody sort of

falls back into the same sort of way

that they related to each other and it's

always a good vibe in the green room. I

think

>> always.

>> Would you ever step back into those

roles?

>> I don't know if there's a world

where it works.

>> Yeah. I mean,

we did the show for nine years, right?

like they played those characters for

that's how I feel about it is like it it

went such a distance

>> um I'm not sure like what the rest of

that distance would be I remember

feeling like the show came to a nice

ending after season 6

>> you [music] made it

>> I thought it came to a nice ending after

season 4

>> sure you're up for this old man I could

do this forever little brother

>> yes there was like four six and then

there was like eight when the show was

supposed to be over. You know, we were

like moving out and then they're like,

"Oh, just kidding. Nine." Uh, which is

amazing. You know, it's such a such a

blessing, but at the same time, you got

to really wonder like what is what is

left to be done? Um, and I don't know

the answer to that. Like without knowing

the answer to that question, it's really

hard to say like, yeah, absolutely.

>> There are so many issues today that

could be dealt with, but those issues

aren't necessarily about us as they are

about the youth. I mean, there is a very

deep well

of stories to tell that you could. But

Lucas and Nathan, it's not it's not

about

our story anymore. It would be about the

youth story. You know what I mean? So,

if they found a new generation of young

kids, young individuals, right? Strong

actors that would go out there and tell

those stories and there was a way to

incorporate these characters where they

were guides, right? like a Keith Scott

or like a Barry Corbin, right? Where you

just kind of pop in, you do your wink

and nod, but you're a guide to help the

youth grow. That makes sense to me, but

it it's not about

>> we're the we're the old guys now.

>> No one wants to see Lucas and Nathan

struggling with social media.

>> True. Imagine us being kidnapped.

>> That's not interesting to

>> and having Raven suck on our backs

>> again.

>> Again. Yeah.

>> I mean, it could happen. Stranger things

have happened.

>> Yeah.