Why the Market is CRASHING.
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holy bully this market is a complete
disaster and it's also quite interesting
because the yield curve is quite frankly
steepening very strongly we have only
inverted for about 36 hours back on
april 1st and ever since then the market
well since the inversion has essentially
been going kind of straight down it's
kind of if interesting if you actually
look back and think about it it was
essentially right when the yield curve
inverted that that's it that was the
beginning of the slide
straight down we've been kind of crazy
since though that yield curve has
inverted we are now at the steepest
level of the yield curve that we have
been at uh since uh about the middle of
february since about february 17th with
a spread of about 49 basis points
which ordinarily would signal hey if we
only had an inversion for a day how
could we have a recession
but interestingly the argument is that
oh don't worry the recession's already
here
and so the yield curve is just like no
well if we're gonna have a recession
gotta quickly invert and let everyone
know anyway at the same time we've got
break-even inflation rates dropping
still which these should be good signals
right a steepening yield curve should
signal a strong economy uh and not a
recession a uh declining a break even on
the five-year treasure or even the uh
you know short-term treasuries should
indicate to us
less
runaway inflation or more anchored
inflation expectations right now those
levels are down again we're at uh now
levels of inflation expectations are on
february 28th obviously still elevated
but rotating down just like used car
prices are rotating down fright prices
and shipping prices are also indicating
signs of rotations down you've got
though unfortunately the 10-year
treasury yield sitting now at about
3.13
and yields just across the board rising
there's really no way to go to safety
you've got emerging markets that are
getting hit value stocks are getting hit
you've got bonds that are just getting
decimated and the expectation is now
that we broke three percent and i've
kind of gone from three percent on the
10-year to now 3.13 that oh my gosh
maybe we don't need to cap out around
those 2018 levels this is actually
something that we've been talking about
on the channel that i don't actually
think 2018 is going to be any kind of
resistance point for treasure yields
because we didn't have inflation back
then now we do
so to me it just wouldn't be a surprise
to see the 10-year treasury yield rise
to something like
i don't know three and a half percent
now do i think we're going to see a four
handle on the three and a half trash who
knows i have absolutely no idea but i
think three and a half percent is
entirely reasonable after that hey maybe
the market can get a little bit more
excessive uh it no markets tend to do
that right we go excessive to extremes
in either direction whether that's
excessive to extremes in the positive
direction or to the negative direction
so what do we have right now well we've
got a futures market that indicates the
dow is going to open up down one point
one percent the s p down one point five
three percent nasdaq down roughly two
percent actually now 2.02 percent uh at
the same time we've also got a little
bit of a fall in oil right now you've
got oil actually rotating down slightly
about two and a half percent both on wti
and
and brent now uh this also then of
course brings up what happened with
putin and victory day remember that's
what i talked about yesterday was when
you wake up see what happened putin and
victory day and so of course as
scheduled putin day occurred as we
suspected putin called his
denotification of ukraine a special
military operation and remember these
are some of the largest troop losses
sustained since uh military operations
in 2014 in the donbass region when the
existing uh ukrainian government was
overthrown in 2014 again
now uh this parade is the most watched
parade in ukraine uh sorry not in
ukraine probably definitely not in
ukraine in russia uh and uh and and
putin didn't really give us any kind of
guidance on what was to come next
instead he gave brief justifications
suggesting that without providing
evidence that the united states or the
west uh potentially just referring to
ukraine here but implying in addition to
western countries maybe just with
western help we're preparing for the
invasion of our land including crimea uh
there were multiple hacks as well at the
same time as this broadcast was going on
and putin was suggesting these things
including one hack
that took control of smart tvs in russia
and then changed the name or the title
of every program to quote and it was
sort of like a scrolling name because
the name was a lot larger but imagine
how when you're scrolling through the
channels it might say like bbc right or
fox news or whatever well that title was
changed to quote
on your hands is the blood of thousands
of ukrainians and their hundreds of
murdered children
tv and authorities are lying no to war
now russia was also planning an air
display but that was cancelled due to
weather reasons they say
and they have been training these uh air
defenses uh or sort of signals of air
superiority strength uh over the last
few days but that was possible for their
show yesterday again apparently due to
weather
uh again nato uh was was referenced as a
quote obvious threat to russia and
ultimately quote urged europe to find a
fair compromise
and at the same time as you've got this
you had zielinski who released a video
uh saying we won on victory day we won
we will win now too and this is him sort
of referring to the past but then also
kind of sending an innuendo today that
no no we we've got this in the bag too
uh and uh that uh that that will have a
parade of victory as well but that uh
victory will come to ukraine and we will
not give up any bit of ukraine or any
land and this is of course where folks
are like oh no this does this actually
mean things got worse not better right
because we you know maybe about a month
ago we're in this position where hey
maybe this war will be over by me
uh you know ukrainian officials
mentioned by may by victory day we had
uh i've sort of been expecting by the
end of may but now you know here we are
two and a half months in and
no no real talks here on compromise of
oh yeah okay uh let's carve out
certain areas as a buffer zone or
demilitarize maybe the donbass and
figure out how we can operate these
neutrally and provide
assurances that ukraine will enjoy nato
these things were talked about
now just aren't coming up as much
anymore so potentially leading to some
of the red that we're seeing in the
morning today but in addition to that
you've got kind of this really
interesting uh
shift happening at companies but the
question is are these companies
companies that are really companies that
we need to worry about like for example
you've got robinhood
laying off nine percent of its workforce
you've got facebook
freezing hiring and at the same time
uber has now released a letter
after earnings the ceo writes i spent
several days meeting investors in new
york and boston and it's clear the
market is experiencing a quote seismic
shift and we need to react accordingly
he says my meetings were super
clarifying and i wanted to share some
thoughts with all of you as you read
them please bear in mind that while
investors don't run the company they do
own the company and they've entrusted us
with running it well
we get to set the strategy and make
decisions but we need to do so in a way
that ultimately serves our shareholders
in and their long-term interests so this
is very interesting here you have a ceo
going hey um just a heads up our bosses
are saying we gotta clean up ship a
little bit here so uh be prepared for
what's next
sound like the guy from family guy
anyway in times of uncertainty investors
look for safety they recognize that we
are the scaled leader in our categories
but they don't know how much that's
worth uh channeling jerry maguire we
need to show them the money we have made
a ton of progress in terms of
profitability setting a target of five
billion dollars in adjusted debit for
2024 but the goal posts have changed
it's now all about free cash flow
remember this is something we talked
about last week as well if you're in a
profit list company or a money losing
company
we'd probably get out right and get into
profitable companies because that's just
been the trend over the last four months
here
there will be companies that put their
heads in the sand and are slow to pivot
the truth is that many of them will not
survive so now we're talking about the
potential forecasting of business
bankruptcies
coming in this sort of next wave here
unless of course you uh you adapt
uh uber ceo here talks about how the
average employee at uber is barely 30
which means you've spent
your career in a long and unprecedented
bull run you know i love it when the old
folks are like oh you don't know
the next period will be different and
will require a different approach rest
assured we're not going to put our heads
in the sand we will meet the moment oh
here we go number two investors finally
understand that we are a completely
different animal than lyft ooh slam or
other ride-sharing platforms they're
incredibly excited about the pace of our
innovation yeah
how how could you in how much more could
you innovate uber but all right whatever
uh
huge growth opportunities uh like hail
bulls and taxi okay i think he's talking
about auto taxis robo taxis right and
they acknowledge that we are winning
okay yet they don't know the size of the
prize their questions run
the gamut of has anyone other than you
made money in on-demand transport to
ride sharing has been around for a while
why isn't anyone else profitable and
they see how big the total addressable
market is and just don't understand how
this translates
into significant profits and free cash
flow we have to show them it's really
interesting
you really got the uber execs here
i think they really believe that oh
don't worry we're the best
tesla's robo-taxis have no chance
anyway keep going investors are happy
with delivery's growth coming out of the
pandemic and see we have performed
better than most other pandemic winners
i must admit and i was a bit surprised
because i firmly believe delivery should
be growing even faster the primary
questions were is delivery a good
business and what i mean honestly if
these are the questions the executive of
uber is getting quote is delivery a good
business and why he's talking to some
morons
like who has these stupid questions but
anyway uh like have you not read a
single one of our earnings reports
right anyway um
their delivery is doing quite well in
fact that's why their drive they have so
much more driver retention than lyft at
least that was sort of what we what we
analyzed last week in the earnings call
so i guess it's surprising to me that
some of these questions seem so bland
anyway um
so talking about uh you know what
happens if we enter a recession okay
this gets more interesting right and so
this is where he then goes into talking
about investors who asked about freight
love freight however less than 10 of
them asked about it freight needs to get
even bigger so that investors recognize
its value and love it as much as i do
number five meeting the moment means
making trade-offs ooh here come here
come the trade-offs the hurdle rate for
our investments has gotten higher and
that means some initiatives that require
substantial capital will be slowed in
other words probably bonuses
uh we will have to make sure that our
unit economics works work before we go
big the least efficient marketing and
incentive spend will be pulled back ooh
pulling back on marketing spend that's
not great we don't like to hear that
uh we will treat hiring as a privilege
and we'll be deliberate about where and
when we add head count we will be even
more hardcore about cross costs acosta
across the board
number six uh we have started to
demonstrate the power of the platform
which is a structural advantage that
sets us apart as you know our strategy
here is simple bringing consumers either
on mobility or delivery encourage them
to try another
and tie everything together with a
compelling membership program the
advantage here is obvious but we have to
show the value of our platform and real
term dollars
all right so kind of interesting talking
a little bit about maybe preparing back
on marketing talking about paying back
on hiring or really being deliberate if
they do hire someone this follows robin
hood cutting follows a meta sort of
freezing jobs right so we got to think
about that and then the last thing the
uber execs here say is we have to do all
of the above while continuing to deliver
an outstanding and differentiated
experience for consumers and earners
whether someone is looking
is a booking rides for a summer trip
with friends or a new parent relying on
ubereats for everything from groceries
to dinner and diapers it's on us to make
sure the experience is excellent the
same goes for anyone who comes to uber
to earn we responded to the pandemic by
becoming an earner-centric
company essentially but we're innovating
for earners literally blah blah blah
whatever okay whatever
so that's a letter to
employees yesterday that obviously was
like instantly leaked to the media and
it really signals this this sort of
malaise of oh no we have to
you know batten down the hatches and and
be a little less
spendy and frothy
and you know this makes sense right this
is sort of what you would expect if
you're in a recession or going into a
recession now for me what what i think
is fascinating about this is generally
you see the most hiring cuts or job loss
when you're already in a recession so if
we start seeing other companies start
saying oh no maybe we too need to start
cutting and removing people from
positions because we're overpaying or
whatever
maybe
maybe
that's an indicator that you're actually
starting to see
more evidence that no no the recession
is now now who knows we'll see what
happens going into the q2 gdp uh report
especially since you know we've now
broken low levels uh and levels that
we've been bouncing off previously on
qqq and spy and so this creates a lot of
fear
and so then the question becomes how
many layoffs do we potentially see and
they said just reiterate the fact that
maybe we're already in the depths of
that recession now my thesis as to why
the market is reacting the as horribly
as it is that we're about to have this
full candle break on the day chart on
qqq below the zero percent fib is really
because we're not getting
great news from the big catalyst that we
were expecting at the beginning of this
month
think about the catalyst that we've had
so far we had a jobs report that
reiterated the federal reserve can
continue to hike when the federal
reserve came out with their federal
reserve fomc meeting we didn't hear hey
we're going to do 150 basis point hike
and then go back to 25 no we heard we're
going to do three 50 basis point hikes
which may as well have been a 50 a 75
and then a succession of uh
of i'm sorry a 50 a 75 and then a
succession of 25s right you may as well
have had that now we did have a little
bit of hopium this weekend that the
federal reserve was suggesting hey well
you know we've already tightened quite a
bit we don't necessarily have to get
extremely more aggressive here problem
is nobody really believes the federal
reserve right now right when we get
catalysts that come and go and the
market gets worse you get this almost
self-fulfilling dyna dynamic that the
direction we're going is down why
because the fed's behind the curve and
they're failing and they can't be
trusted they've lost that credibility of
trust that when the fed actually makes a
statement over the weekend that we've
already tightened a lot like we're on
the right track now people don't believe
it and so probably the strong jobs
report combined with not believing the
fed is a very strong catalyst for
suggesting this market should be read
beyond that victory day to some extent
was a little bit of a nothing burger you
kind of ended up with a victory day that
gave us no clarity
in terms of putin's intentions to
potentially scale back his operation but
on top of that folks what do we have in
two days
cpi numbers and most investors in my
opinion are not looking at the cpi
numbers going oh yeah they're going to
you know the the
estimates for cpi are substantially
lower and that this wednesday could
actually mark the beginning of a turning
point in inflation which ultimately
leads to the federal reserve likely
taking a dovish u-turn at some point in
the future which any time the fed takes
a device u-turn that's usually your
signal to be like okay time to go all in
right it hasn't happened yet you know
they've kind of suggested that they're
getting ready for a double-shoe u-turn
but they haven't actually made that
double-shoe turn yet
and uh uh but but what's what's the
market doing right now nope nope nope
don't believe it don't believe the cpi
lie
uh so i mean we'll see but this
wednesday will obviously be very big
with core cpi expected to sit at 0.4
percent month over month and headline
cpi month over month expected to be 0.2
percent it's going to be some of the
lowest numbers that we've had in uh in
at least six to eight months so quite
wild probably looking back to that time
frame when we had a low inflation in the
summer of 2021 before of course all this
disaster really took off
anyway that's probably why at least in
my opinion market's selling off along
with the fact that we're breaking that
upper bound on the 10-year treasure so
welcome to payne
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