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Why the Market is CRASHING.

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holy bully this market is a complete

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disaster and it's also quite interesting

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because the yield curve is quite frankly

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steepening very strongly we have only

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inverted for about 36 hours back on

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april 1st and ever since then the market

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well since the inversion has essentially

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been going kind of straight down it's

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kind of if interesting if you actually

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look back and think about it it was

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essentially right when the yield curve

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inverted that that's it that was the

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beginning of the slide

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straight down we've been kind of crazy

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since though that yield curve has

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inverted we are now at the steepest

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level of the yield curve that we have

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been at uh since uh about the middle of

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february since about february 17th with

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a spread of about 49 basis points

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which ordinarily would signal hey if we

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only had an inversion for a day how

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could we have a recession

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but interestingly the argument is that

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oh don't worry the recession's already

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here

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and so the yield curve is just like no

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well if we're gonna have a recession

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gotta quickly invert and let everyone

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know anyway at the same time we've got

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break-even inflation rates dropping

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still which these should be good signals

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right a steepening yield curve should

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signal a strong economy uh and not a

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recession a uh declining a break even on

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the five-year treasure or even the uh

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you know short-term treasuries should

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indicate to us

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less

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runaway inflation or more anchored

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inflation expectations right now those

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levels are down again we're at uh now

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levels of inflation expectations are on

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february 28th obviously still elevated

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but rotating down just like used car

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prices are rotating down fright prices

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and shipping prices are also indicating

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signs of rotations down you've got

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though unfortunately the 10-year

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treasury yield sitting now at about

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3.13

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and yields just across the board rising

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there's really no way to go to safety

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you've got emerging markets that are

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getting hit value stocks are getting hit

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you've got bonds that are just getting

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decimated and the expectation is now

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that we broke three percent and i've

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kind of gone from three percent on the

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10-year to now 3.13 that oh my gosh

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maybe we don't need to cap out around

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those 2018 levels this is actually

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something that we've been talking about

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on the channel that i don't actually

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think 2018 is going to be any kind of

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resistance point for treasure yields

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because we didn't have inflation back

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then now we do

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so to me it just wouldn't be a surprise

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to see the 10-year treasury yield rise

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to something like

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i don't know three and a half percent

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now do i think we're going to see a four

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handle on the three and a half trash who

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knows i have absolutely no idea but i

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think three and a half percent is

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entirely reasonable after that hey maybe

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the market can get a little bit more

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excessive uh it no markets tend to do

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that right we go excessive to extremes

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in either direction whether that's

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excessive to extremes in the positive

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direction or to the negative direction

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so what do we have right now well we've

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got a futures market that indicates the

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dow is going to open up down one point

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one percent the s p down one point five

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three percent nasdaq down roughly two

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percent actually now 2.02 percent uh at

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the same time we've also got a little

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bit of a fall in oil right now you've

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got oil actually rotating down slightly

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about two and a half percent both on wti

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and

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and brent now uh this also then of

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course brings up what happened with

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putin and victory day remember that's

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what i talked about yesterday was when

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you wake up see what happened putin and

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victory day and so of course as

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scheduled putin day occurred as we

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suspected putin called his

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denotification of ukraine a special

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military operation and remember these

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are some of the largest troop losses

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sustained since uh military operations

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in 2014 in the donbass region when the

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existing uh ukrainian government was

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overthrown in 2014 again

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now uh this parade is the most watched

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parade in ukraine uh sorry not in

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ukraine probably definitely not in

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ukraine in russia uh and uh and and

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putin didn't really give us any kind of

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guidance on what was to come next

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instead he gave brief justifications

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suggesting that without providing

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evidence that the united states or the

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west uh potentially just referring to

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ukraine here but implying in addition to

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western countries maybe just with

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western help we're preparing for the

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invasion of our land including crimea uh

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there were multiple hacks as well at the

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same time as this broadcast was going on

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and putin was suggesting these things

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including one hack

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that took control of smart tvs in russia

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and then changed the name or the title

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of every program to quote and it was

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sort of like a scrolling name because

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the name was a lot larger but imagine

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how when you're scrolling through the

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channels it might say like bbc right or

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fox news or whatever well that title was

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changed to quote

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on your hands is the blood of thousands

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of ukrainians and their hundreds of

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murdered children

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tv and authorities are lying no to war

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now russia was also planning an air

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display but that was cancelled due to

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weather reasons they say

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and they have been training these uh air

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defenses uh or sort of signals of air

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superiority strength uh over the last

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few days but that was possible for their

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show yesterday again apparently due to

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weather

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uh again nato uh was was referenced as a

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quote obvious threat to russia and

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ultimately quote urged europe to find a

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fair compromise

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and at the same time as you've got this

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you had zielinski who released a video

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uh saying we won on victory day we won

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we will win now too and this is him sort

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of referring to the past but then also

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kind of sending an innuendo today that

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no no we we've got this in the bag too

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uh and uh that uh that that will have a

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parade of victory as well but that uh

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victory will come to ukraine and we will

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not give up any bit of ukraine or any

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land and this is of course where folks

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are like oh no this does this actually

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mean things got worse not better right

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because we you know maybe about a month

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ago we're in this position where hey

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maybe this war will be over by me

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uh you know ukrainian officials

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mentioned by may by victory day we had

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uh i've sort of been expecting by the

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end of may but now you know here we are

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two and a half months in and

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no no real talks here on compromise of

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oh yeah okay uh let's carve out

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certain areas as a buffer zone or

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demilitarize maybe the donbass and

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figure out how we can operate these

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neutrally and provide

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assurances that ukraine will enjoy nato

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these things were talked about

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now just aren't coming up as much

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anymore so potentially leading to some

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of the red that we're seeing in the

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morning today but in addition to that

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you've got kind of this really

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interesting uh

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shift happening at companies but the

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question is are these companies

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companies that are really companies that

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we need to worry about like for example

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you've got robinhood

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laying off nine percent of its workforce

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you've got facebook

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freezing hiring and at the same time

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uber has now released a letter

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after earnings the ceo writes i spent

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several days meeting investors in new

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york and boston and it's clear the

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market is experiencing a quote seismic

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shift and we need to react accordingly

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he says my meetings were super

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clarifying and i wanted to share some

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thoughts with all of you as you read

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them please bear in mind that while

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investors don't run the company they do

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own the company and they've entrusted us

7:38

with running it well

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we get to set the strategy and make

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decisions but we need to do so in a way

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that ultimately serves our shareholders

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in and their long-term interests so this

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is very interesting here you have a ceo

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going hey um just a heads up our bosses

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are saying we gotta clean up ship a

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little bit here so uh be prepared for

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what's next

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sound like the guy from family guy

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anyway in times of uncertainty investors

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look for safety they recognize that we

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are the scaled leader in our categories

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but they don't know how much that's

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worth uh channeling jerry maguire we

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need to show them the money we have made

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a ton of progress in terms of

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profitability setting a target of five

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billion dollars in adjusted debit for

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2024 but the goal posts have changed

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it's now all about free cash flow

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remember this is something we talked

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about last week as well if you're in a

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profit list company or a money losing

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company

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we'd probably get out right and get into

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profitable companies because that's just

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been the trend over the last four months

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here

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there will be companies that put their

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heads in the sand and are slow to pivot

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the truth is that many of them will not

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survive so now we're talking about the

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potential forecasting of business

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bankruptcies

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coming in this sort of next wave here

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unless of course you uh you adapt

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uh uber ceo here talks about how the

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average employee at uber is barely 30

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which means you've spent

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your career in a long and unprecedented

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bull run you know i love it when the old

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folks are like oh you don't know

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the next period will be different and

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will require a different approach rest

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assured we're not going to put our heads

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in the sand we will meet the moment oh

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here we go number two investors finally

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understand that we are a completely

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different animal than lyft ooh slam or

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other ride-sharing platforms they're

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incredibly excited about the pace of our

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innovation yeah

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how how could you in how much more could

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you innovate uber but all right whatever

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uh

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huge growth opportunities uh like hail

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bulls and taxi okay i think he's talking

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about auto taxis robo taxis right and

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they acknowledge that we are winning

9:45

okay yet they don't know the size of the

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prize their questions run

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the gamut of has anyone other than you

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made money in on-demand transport to

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ride sharing has been around for a while

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why isn't anyone else profitable and

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they see how big the total addressable

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market is and just don't understand how

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this translates

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into significant profits and free cash

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flow we have to show them it's really

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interesting

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you really got the uber execs here

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i think they really believe that oh

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don't worry we're the best

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tesla's robo-taxis have no chance

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anyway keep going investors are happy

10:21

with delivery's growth coming out of the

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pandemic and see we have performed

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better than most other pandemic winners

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i must admit and i was a bit surprised

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because i firmly believe delivery should

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be growing even faster the primary

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questions were is delivery a good

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business and what i mean honestly if

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these are the questions the executive of

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uber is getting quote is delivery a good

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business and why he's talking to some

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morons

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like who has these stupid questions but

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anyway uh like have you not read a

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single one of our earnings reports

10:53

right anyway um

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their delivery is doing quite well in

10:57

fact that's why their drive they have so

10:59

much more driver retention than lyft at

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least that was sort of what we what we

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analyzed last week in the earnings call

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so i guess it's surprising to me that

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some of these questions seem so bland

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anyway um

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so talking about uh you know what

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happens if we enter a recession okay

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this gets more interesting right and so

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this is where he then goes into talking

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about investors who asked about freight

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love freight however less than 10 of

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them asked about it freight needs to get

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even bigger so that investors recognize

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its value and love it as much as i do

11:27

number five meeting the moment means

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making trade-offs ooh here come here

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come the trade-offs the hurdle rate for

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our investments has gotten higher and

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that means some initiatives that require

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substantial capital will be slowed in

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other words probably bonuses

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uh we will have to make sure that our

11:44

unit economics works work before we go

11:46

big the least efficient marketing and

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incentive spend will be pulled back ooh

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pulling back on marketing spend that's

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not great we don't like to hear that

11:55

uh we will treat hiring as a privilege

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and we'll be deliberate about where and

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when we add head count we will be even

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more hardcore about cross costs acosta

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across the board

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number six uh we have started to

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demonstrate the power of the platform

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which is a structural advantage that

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sets us apart as you know our strategy

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here is simple bringing consumers either

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on mobility or delivery encourage them

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to try another

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and tie everything together with a

12:23

compelling membership program the

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advantage here is obvious but we have to

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show the value of our platform and real

12:28

term dollars

12:29

all right so kind of interesting talking

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a little bit about maybe preparing back

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on marketing talking about paying back

12:36

on hiring or really being deliberate if

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they do hire someone this follows robin

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hood cutting follows a meta sort of

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freezing jobs right so we got to think

12:45

about that and then the last thing the

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uber execs here say is we have to do all

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of the above while continuing to deliver

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an outstanding and differentiated

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experience for consumers and earners

12:54

whether someone is looking

12:56

is a booking rides for a summer trip

12:58

with friends or a new parent relying on

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ubereats for everything from groceries

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to dinner and diapers it's on us to make

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sure the experience is excellent the

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same goes for anyone who comes to uber

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to earn we responded to the pandemic by

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becoming an earner-centric

13:13

company essentially but we're innovating

13:15

for earners literally blah blah blah

13:17

whatever okay whatever

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so that's a letter to

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employees yesterday that obviously was

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like instantly leaked to the media and

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it really signals this this sort of

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malaise of oh no we have to

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you know batten down the hatches and and

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be a little less

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spendy and frothy

13:36

and you know this makes sense right this

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is sort of what you would expect if

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you're in a recession or going into a

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recession now for me what what i think

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is fascinating about this is generally

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you see the most hiring cuts or job loss

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when you're already in a recession so if

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we start seeing other companies start

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saying oh no maybe we too need to start

13:58

cutting and removing people from

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positions because we're overpaying or

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whatever

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maybe

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maybe

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that's an indicator that you're actually

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starting to see

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more evidence that no no the recession

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is now now who knows we'll see what

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happens going into the q2 gdp uh report

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especially since you know we've now

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broken low levels uh and levels that

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we've been bouncing off previously on

14:24

qqq and spy and so this creates a lot of

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fear

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and so then the question becomes how

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many layoffs do we potentially see and

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they said just reiterate the fact that

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maybe we're already in the depths of

14:35

that recession now my thesis as to why

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the market is reacting the as horribly

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as it is that we're about to have this

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full candle break on the day chart on

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qqq below the zero percent fib is really

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because we're not getting

14:50

great news from the big catalyst that we

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were expecting at the beginning of this

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month

14:55

think about the catalyst that we've had

14:56

so far we had a jobs report that

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reiterated the federal reserve can

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continue to hike when the federal

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reserve came out with their federal

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reserve fomc meeting we didn't hear hey

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we're going to do 150 basis point hike

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and then go back to 25 no we heard we're

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going to do three 50 basis point hikes

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which may as well have been a 50 a 75

15:17

and then a succession of uh

15:20

of i'm sorry a 50 a 75 and then a

15:22

succession of 25s right you may as well

15:24

have had that now we did have a little

15:26

bit of hopium this weekend that the

15:28

federal reserve was suggesting hey well

15:30

you know we've already tightened quite a

15:32

bit we don't necessarily have to get

15:33

extremely more aggressive here problem

15:36

is nobody really believes the federal

15:38

reserve right now right when we get

15:40

catalysts that come and go and the

15:43

market gets worse you get this almost

15:46

self-fulfilling dyna dynamic that the

15:49

direction we're going is down why

15:52

because the fed's behind the curve and

15:53

they're failing and they can't be

15:55

trusted they've lost that credibility of

15:57

trust that when the fed actually makes a

15:59

statement over the weekend that we've

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already tightened a lot like we're on

16:02

the right track now people don't believe

16:05

it and so probably the strong jobs

16:07

report combined with not believing the

16:09

fed is a very strong catalyst for

16:11

suggesting this market should be read

16:13

beyond that victory day to some extent

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was a little bit of a nothing burger you

16:18

kind of ended up with a victory day that

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gave us no clarity

16:23

in terms of putin's intentions to

16:24

potentially scale back his operation but

16:27

on top of that folks what do we have in

16:29

two days

16:30

cpi numbers and most investors in my

16:34

opinion are not looking at the cpi

16:36

numbers going oh yeah they're going to

16:37

you know the the

16:39

estimates for cpi are substantially

16:41

lower and that this wednesday could

16:43

actually mark the beginning of a turning

16:45

point in inflation which ultimately

16:47

leads to the federal reserve likely

16:50

taking a dovish u-turn at some point in

16:52

the future which any time the fed takes

16:54

a device u-turn that's usually your

16:55

signal to be like okay time to go all in

16:58

right it hasn't happened yet you know

17:00

they've kind of suggested that they're

17:02

getting ready for a double-shoe u-turn

17:03

but they haven't actually made that

17:04

double-shoe turn yet

17:05

and uh uh but but what's what's the

17:07

market doing right now nope nope nope

17:10

don't believe it don't believe the cpi

17:12

lie

17:14

uh so i mean we'll see but this

17:17

wednesday will obviously be very big

17:18

with core cpi expected to sit at 0.4

17:21

percent month over month and headline

17:23

cpi month over month expected to be 0.2

17:25

percent it's going to be some of the

17:26

lowest numbers that we've had in uh in

17:29

at least six to eight months so quite

17:31

wild probably looking back to that time

17:33

frame when we had a low inflation in the

17:35

summer of 2021 before of course all this

17:38

disaster really took off

17:40

anyway that's probably why at least in

17:42

my opinion market's selling off along

17:44

with the fact that we're breaking that

17:45

upper bound on the 10-year treasure so

17:48

welcome to payne

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