Corporate Defaults STARTING | Warning - The Debt Bubble.
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well folks Goldman Sachs thinks there
could be a wave of defaults coming and
the defaults are not going to Peak this
quarter they're not going to Peak next
quarter but instead they're going to
Peak
in the first half of 2024 which is
actually where there's some alignment of
current recessionary expectations which
is not great news let's take a look at
this and see if there's some things that
we should really be concerned about this
is the Goldman Sachs Global Credit
Trader research uh what we have are a
peak mid-year but no Spike uh okay
interesting we expect the 12 month
trailing us default rates to peak in the
first half of 2024 at 4.6 and 6.7
percent for high yield and leveraged
loan issuers those are kind of like
think about like your cruise lines where
you know when they're borrowing they're
borrowing at like 13 or whatever
in Europe the default trend has been
more benign than in the us but we do
expect the pace of defaults to modestly
increase in the first half
uh and so this is leading a lot of
people to be very concerned that oh my
gosh you know that's how it starts you
know you start getting some defaults
when you start getting defaults what
ends up happening well you end up
getting job loss that leads to less
earnings for big companies and then they
have to lay off people and that's how
you get a recession
that's definitely possible but
fortunately these Peaks do not seem that
dramatically high and it makes sense in
fact last week we covered a story where
we analyzed the net interest payments by
market cap and we found that net
interest payments for Mega cap companies
and large cap companies were actually
declining that is the amount of money
companies we're spending on interest was
going down not up people like how is
that possible well it's possible because
what they're doing is they're borrowing
along and they're depositing short so
they borrow for a 10 20-year period they
take that money like an apple they
borrow at say four percent they deposit
it into a money market getting 5.5 they
win they profit the difference whereas
smaller riskier companies are getting
screwed smaller riskier companies like
Cruise Lines or even small caps like
maybe even a matterport they're having
to pay substantially higher interest
rates they're not able to borrow at
those lower rates and that increases the
default risk for for these sorts of
companies substantially since the start
of 2021 there's been a total of 266
billion of rising stars in the USD
Market just more than reversed the 230
billion dollar coveted wave of fallen
angels that said only 112 billion of the
230 billion downgraded in 2020 has
migrated back to growth suggesting a
robust pipeline
coming up okay fine refinancing what do
we got here compression Cash Cash
availability fine let's skip some of
this all right how large how constantly
the share of U.S the US dollar
denominated high-yield bonds maturing
within the next 12 months has nearly
doubled
that increases interest expenses for
companies with the higher borrowing
costs that we just talked about so in
other words
the amount of companies that are like oh
no we have to refinance in other words
bonds are coming due we issue new bonds
at higher rates replace the old ones has
increased double twofold uh nearly uh
for the next 24 months increases the
risk of more defaults that's how they're
increasing getting to this higher level
of defaults expected here's a chart by
the way of the defaults they're
expecting and how you can kind of
compare them to previous levels so we've
got sort of a peak drawn here for the
high yield bond market these defaults
would be somewhat similar to what we saw
in like 2012 nowhere near the defaults
expected of what we saw in 08 so a six
percent level of default shows you that
this isn't like a recession level of
defaults it would there'll be an
increase in default and this default
level is still ramping up we're not in
that down ramping phase we actually had
more defaults in covid more defaults in
2016 and again this would just be
similar to about 2002 12 of the failure
of companies well quite interesting so a
few weeks ago Goldman updated their 2023
full year whoops uh issuer weighted
defaults forecast to 3 8 and 6.5 in the
leveraged loan Market again those
numbers go up for 2024 to 4.6 and 6.7
percent we then expect a decline that
will push the full year default rate
back to three and a half percent in high
yield and five two in leverage for both
markets our U.S economists soft Landing
Baseline view greatly limits the risk of
defaults in other words though if we
don't get a soft Landing these numbers
could all be a lot worse
assuming the FED delivers only three 25
basis point cuts the U.S uh that U.S
economists currently expect funding
costs for floating rate borrowers simply
will not come down far enough or fast
enough for some of the pressured issuers
to alleviate financial distress okay in
American they're basically saying Even
If the Fed starts cutting rates next
year it's going to be way too slow for
you to actually avoid default you're
still going to have to refinance at
substantially higher levels you're still
going to get absolutely whacked in your
net interest expenses and it's going to
be a problem that's going to lead to
defaults but those defaults thanks to
the soft Landing narrative aren't
expected to be that great so is this
like ridiculously bearish no is it good
um that's debatable some people say that
a lot of these companies are zombie
companies that have more debt expense
than they have free cash flow and they
deserve to go bankrupt and to some
extent that's capitalism if you have a
bad product you go out of business you
stop innovating you go out of business
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about these sort of things but every
business goes through Cycles and if you
were a business owner or you're even
just an employee if you're not
constantly thinking about what can I do
to stay ahead of my competition next you
will get replaced there's a line out the
door of people ready to take your job
and that shouldn't be depressing it
should be motivating it should motivate
you to stay ahead of your competition
are you working harder are you working
smarter and when the answer to those
questions is yes and yes then you get
paid more now I know then you get sort
of the pessimists that are like well
I've been you know I've tried to start
working harder and I haven't gotten paid
more yet well then you're either at the
wrong job or you're being too impatient
It's a combination probably but the
point is if you're not constantly
innovating you lose
and businesses that fail to innovate
deserve to die that's capitalism that's
how we make sure we don't get scams like
uh home builders in China building
skyscrapers
that are built so poorly that they
basically need to be demolished later
because the companies are just taking
government subsidies and grants and
stimulus building trash properties to
get more money and building them faster
to get more money faster and then they
end up having a crop product that's how
you create fraud and froth real
capitalism prevents that because the
capitalist
knows that the buyer is not going to buy
a trash property if your property's
trash it won't sell then you go to
business because you can't sell your
product and the Builder who actually has
a better reputation is able to sell
their properties and so that Builder
gets more business and those properties
sell for more money
capitalism weeds out this kind of stuff
so anyway uh this is probably a good
thing uh I do think it's very
interesting to kind of see the this this
increasing level of defaults and uh and
and how it looks historically uh I think
this is actually optimistic so it's a
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