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The Massive Binance Rugpull.

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A lot of you know that I have never been

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the biggest fan of CZ or of Binance. It

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all goes back to years ago, the

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interview between CZ and Sarah Eisen

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where Sarah Eisen bluntly and in

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numerous different ways asked CZ, "Do

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you actually have the reserves to back

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the funds you say you have?" and he

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dodges the question over and over and

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over again suggesting oh well we have a

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proof of reserves audit but remember

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that the the scam with proof of reserve

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audits and then we're going to get into

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the drama that contributed to this scam

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in Bitcoin which we have a lot to talk

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about with 19 billion in liquidations of

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course Binance is now airdropping some

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breadcrumbs back to people but we'll

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talk about that in just a moment

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understand quickly how proof of reserve

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work. If you have 10 stable coins, let's

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just use a very simple example to

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simplify this. Let's say you have 10

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stable coins, tokens, whatever. Let's

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say you have 10 buckets and each of them

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are worth a billion dollars. Well,

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technically to support all of that

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infrastructure, you would need $10

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billion to say they're all backed one.

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But what people do with proof of

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reserves financing is they say, "Yeah,

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we have $1 billion." And if you compare

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1 billion to stablecoin 1, yep, we've

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got one bill. Compare it to stablecoin

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2, yep, we've got one bill. Compare it

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to three, yep, we've got one. But they

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might actually only have one bill

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compared to the total of 10 that they

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say they do. While at the same time

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saying, yeah, yeah, we've got proof of

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reserves when we compare one to one. So,

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you got to be careful with this. We

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don't know if that's exactly what's

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going on. But that sketchiness from that

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interview years ago has always made me

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skeptical that the people at Binance are

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shysters. And I have been a big fan of

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getting away from the any of these

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exchanges. Like people use them for

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trading, which is great, but you want to

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be off these platforms, not your keys,

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not your crypto. Unfortunately, people

2:03

get suckered into leverage. And that's

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where we end up getting a potential for

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a disaster like what we had with Bitcoin

2:09

here. So, let's understand what happened

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not just with Bitcoin on Friday, why

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Bitcoin fell, but why that led to a

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cascade of problems at Binance. So,

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here's what happened. There were a lot

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of tokens like ATM that fell to roughly

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zero or IODEX or ENJ. These fell a lot.

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The problem that happened on Friday

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under the catalyst of Donald Trump's

2:36

trade war was that Binance was just in

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the process of moving about 8 days left.

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They were just in the process of moving

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to actually quoting prices on their

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platform using market pricing elsewhere

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which is known as Oracle pricing. So the

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way this basically works is if you look

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at market pricing on a stock, let's

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understand this because this will help

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you understand exactly what happened a

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lot more easily. Let's look at AMD for

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example. When you look at a stock like

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AMD, you see it's trading for $236 on

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Robin Hood. Well, Robin Hood isn't using

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their own order book to determine AMD's

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pricing. They're generally going to use

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information directly from the NASDAQ or

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New York Stock Exchange. And so

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understand that all the major brokers,

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whether it's Robin Hood or Weeble or

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Tasty Trades or Interactive Brokers or

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Charles Schwab or JP Morgan, they're all

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looking at one data feed. They're

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looking at the exchanges data feed for

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where that stock is listed, which means

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you see the whole order book, which is

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really important because if you see the

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whole order book, it means you're going

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to have the thickest book available.

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Now, why does that matter? Because if

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some big whale comes in with a $10

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million order, let's say, and they hit

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the sell button, well, for AMD, if

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you're using the NASDAQ's pricing,

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you're probably not going to eat up the

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order book because there are plenty of

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people. You hit a $10 million sale,

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you've got plenty of people willing to

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buy in that order book. Now, what if

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Weeble said, "You know what? We're

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actually going to use our own order

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book. We're not going to use the

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NASDAQ's pricing. we're just going to

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use a book that is only our customers.

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And now somebody comes in with a $10

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million order, but you don't have enough

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buyers to match up with that. What

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happens then is the price could actually

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artificially plummet way more than it

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should based on using data available

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from the entire market because you're

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not using price discovery from the

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entire market. You're only using price

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discovery from Binance. So, of course,

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if you have a lot of sellers on Binance

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and you're only matching up to buyers on

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Binance, so Binance can go try to make

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some more money, then in a market panic,

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they end up screwing you, the user on

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Binance. Now, understand, Binance got

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exposed for this issue. People knew this

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was an issue and people said, "We need

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to fix it." And so, what did Binance do?

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Binance said, "All right, we're going to

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go ahead and update our software. We're

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going to update this software to make

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sure that we're going to use pricing

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that is widely available. We're going to

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end this design flaw and we're going to

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use Oracle data." And so that way we

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don't have stuff like this happen.

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Here's for example uh a particular uh

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read of um USDE to USDC on curve and

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what you find is that broad market data

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for the stable coin showed the stable

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coin during this shock this tariff shock

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on Friday the stable coin only dropped

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to 99.57

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which is which is actually really

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nominal for a stable coin movement and

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generally algorithms come in really

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quickly and buy this up. The whole point

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of algorithmic trading is that algo say,

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"Oh, well, this is a stable coin. It's

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supposed to be trading at exactly $1. If

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it goes down, we're going to buy it up

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and stabilize it back to a dollar. If it

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goes up, we sell it." And that's how

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they make money. It's sort of like being

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a market maker. That's how they make

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their money. The problem is, if you

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actually look at what happened on

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Binance, in Binance's case, this stable

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coin collapsed. When you compare USDE to

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Tether, for example, which again should

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be stabilized at one, it actually

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collapsed to 65.

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And because it collapsed to 65, all of a

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sudden, people's accounts looked like

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they had just lost a bunch of value,

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which you think, okay, a 35% drop.

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Should that matter?

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Not if you're cash, but if you're on

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leverage at Binance, using 10 to 20x

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leverage at Binance, you're screwed

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because now all of a sudden 20x leverage

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or 30x leverage turns you into an

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instant liquidation. And this is why a

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lot of people on social media were

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complaining and they're saying, "Hey,

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wait, this is ridiculous. We just got

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liquidated before our stop losses could

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even trigger. That's not good." Now,

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Binance comes out and suggests, "Oh,

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well, this is because of heavy market

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activity and we're under load and users

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might be experiencing delays displaying

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issues, which that also led market

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makers to withdraw offering bids on

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Binance, which just exacerbates the

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issue. See, if you're a market maker in

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a in a panic, you can make a lot of

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money by providing liquidity. You know,

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people want to sell. You provide

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liquidity at wider spreads and you go

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make it up on other platforms, but you

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pick up the spreads. In English, market

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makers love volatility. But the problem

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was Binance's system was so damn

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overwhelmed that your funds weren't safu

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because the market makers dipped out cuz

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they're like, "We can't even get your

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software to work right now. It's

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glitching out so badly. We're just not

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going to provide quotes. We're not going

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to quote on Binance." And so what

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happens? you get even more of a

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deterioration because it now looks like

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the market makers rugged. Now the market

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makers, who knows, maybe they were in on

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it, but the argument is that the market

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makers rugged because the Binance

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platform failed. Now, is it a chicken or

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egg problem? Who knows? But a lot of

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people in this flash crash, which is

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seen as the worst since 2017, look at

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this and say this was insider

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manipulation that people knew about this

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glitch. People knew that we were going

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through this transition. Here it is. A

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suspicious window. On October 6th,

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Binance announced plans to fix this

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exact problem. The exchange said it

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would switch from using its own order

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book prices to more reliable external

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data. The change was scheduled for

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October 14th, which was yesterday. But

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the flash crash happened on October

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10th, right in the middle of the 8-day

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window. This leads a lot of people to

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say this was an attack. This was a

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coordinated attack to utilize this

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screwed up order book one last time and

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mint billions of dollars

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and then of course give some of the

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money back as breadcrumbs. Now, of

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course, you kind of have to pick your

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side on this, but Binance is not just in

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the heat for this. Binance is also

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getting a lot of heat right now for this

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basically leaked offering of how Binance

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forces new ICOs or coin or token

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listings to provide a lot of of of sort

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of their base token or uh you know their

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their order book if you will uh and uh

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some of their reserves to Binance. So

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either Binance can profit or to

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potentially stabilize the market. Now

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this depends on which way you want to

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look at it. But take a look at this. All

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of this has to do with this guy who has

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a company called Try Limitless. Not

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sponsored. I haven't checked it out. I

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don't know anything about it. But this

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guy's following's been blowing up, CJH

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Tech. And he's his following's been

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blowing up because he got an offer from

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Binance for listing on Binance. And the

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offering on Binance was very different

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from Coinbase. Coinbase said, "Hey, if

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you want to list on Coinbase, just build

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something meaningful." Binance says,

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"Hey, we want you to give us 1% so we

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could do an airdrop on day one when we

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listed. Then we want 3% of your token

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supply so we could airdrop that in 6

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months to kind of keep momentum going.

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Then we want 1% to pay for our own

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marketing for your product. Then we want

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100% of total value locked for a token

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pool on Pancake Swap. We also want a

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$250,000

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security deposit, they say to prevent

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rugps, which there's some argument for

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this. 3% to be reserved for the uh BNB

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Hodler program, $200,000 worth of tokens

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uh to be set aside at the best possible

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pricing for Binance affiliate marketers,

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and $2 million of a BNB security deposit

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to get you a listing on Binance. So

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basically, we want like $3 million worth

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of assets and we want you to put those

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where we direct them into our marketing

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into our Binance stable coin uh or it's

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not actually the stable coin. The BNB is

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not a stable coin, but into the Binance

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token. We want uh you to pay for our

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marketing and we'll do all this stuff

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for you. You're going to pay for it out

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of the proceeds from your offering and

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you're going to put all this money in as

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a as a security deposit so that way you

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can't rug or at least you reduce the

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chances of rugging. Now, this offering

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was supposed to be under an NDA, but

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what happened is CJ got the offer from

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the Binance salesperson before he ever

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signed the NDA. This is what he says.

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And Binance is now lashing out like CZ

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blocked this guy. CZ is, you know, and

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Binance are claiming that this guy's a

12:11

fraud, that he shouldn't be leaking this

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information. But all it's doing is

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actually providing more evidence. See,

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here's CZ. Wow, this guy really clout

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chasing, but what a loser. I didn't even

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know who he was until he posted a fake

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image saying I blocked him. I could make

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it real, but I will choose to mute

12:31

instead. Ignore is the best rejection.

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Meanwhile, CZ is literally lashing out

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on X and he probably blocked him and

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then unblocked him or whatever. Uh, this

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is just leading people to combine these

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two things and go, "Man, there's some

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shady stuff going on at Binance." So,

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did Binance have anything to do with

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this order book manipulation and this

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$19 billion rug pull that left people

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seeing their life savings absolutely

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destroyed? I mean, you had people

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complaining about getting rugged for $9

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million

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instantaneously. The market reaction was

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so violent heavily because of Binance's

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failed orderbook system that, you know,

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here's a guy who was like, "I thought

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about taking my own life. I lost

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$400,000.

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There's another guy who's like, I lost

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$9 million basically instantaneously.

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Worst day of my life financially. And

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these are people who've got like Binance

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and BNB in their their username on

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Twitter. These are people who are like

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super excited uh about Binance. They

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love the leverage they could get there.

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They're super like gung-ho uh users of

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this platform who got rubbed. And so a

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lot of folks are pissed. They're going,

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"Wait, Binance is now going to give I

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think it's up to $300 million in

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Actually, I wrote down my notes on this.

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Uh Binance is giving some money back in

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the form of an airdrop." But a lot of

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people are like, "Dude, this this

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doesn't even scratch the surface of the

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damage that was caused." So, if you look

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at the uh distributions, Binance is

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going to distribute between $4 and

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$6,000 in USDC totaling $300 million to

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eligible losers who were liquidated by

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at least $50. And the liquidations

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represent at least the 30% loss ratio of

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the account. Now, what's really

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interesting about this is

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$300 million divided by the user base

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that got liquidated here works out to

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about $187

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of stimulus per one trader because 1.6

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million people lost because of that

14:42

Binance glitch. That works out to $187

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per user,

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$4 to $6,000 range. you know, worst

14:51

downturn since the FTX disaster. So,

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a lot of folks are like, "This is crazy.

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It was their fault $19 billion got

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liquidated, and they're giving a

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fraction back at the same time as, you

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know, people see this manipulation of

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potentially new listings as just a way

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for Binance to profit off the backs of

15:14

people." Now, other people say, "Hey,

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this is actually just Binance trying to

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stabilize new listings." And I think

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they have somewhat of a point there. I

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think new listings are quite likely to

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often get rugpulled. So, requiring

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security deposits is probably a smart

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thing, not surprising. Now, is it

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Binance's fault that they ended up

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leading this, you know, cross margin

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liquidation, which is basically where

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you, you know, leverage up your wrapped

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Ethereum or wrapped Salana positions or

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your stable coin positions to get 20 to

15:49

30x leverage on Binance. Is it likely

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that that very leverage system and the

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failure failures of the technology

15:56

platform led to a lot of people lose

15:58

money? Of course. Which is ironic

15:59

because now what a lot of people in the

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crypto community are doing is they're

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actually saying hey we need a regulated

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exchange which is kind of hilarious

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because like the whole point that you

16:11

know people got so excited about with

16:12

crypto with for was that oh it's going

16:14

to be deregulated DeFi is great but this

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is exactly what happens when you have

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unregulated broker dealers and

16:20

exchanges. Now, most of the lawsuits

16:23

from the SEC against platforms like uh

16:26

you know uh Binance have been dropped

16:28

because Trump has gone you know all in

16:30

pro crypto. But this is exactly why

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people are like bro like nobody likes

16:36

the suits but you want some safeguards

16:39

at the suits and this is why investor

16:42

protections exist because when people

16:44

get rugged like this they're like yo

16:46

where was the government? It's like,

16:47

well, you wanted DeFi, you know, even

16:50

though it's a centralized exchange,

16:51

obviously, you wanted no regulation. You

16:53

wanted less regulation. So, it's kind of

16:55

ironic now how many people are like, I'm

16:57

taking my money out of Binance. I want a

16:59

regulated platform. It's like, well,

17:01

yeah. Uh, anyway, so, uh, this is now

17:05

where people are joking like your funds

17:07

are not SEFU at Binance because Binance

17:09

always says this. this by Safu has to do

17:11

with, you know, their desire uh to say

17:14

that funds are backed one to one uh

17:17

especially in stable coin assets. But

17:19

again, I started this whole segment out

17:20

with saying you got to be careful of

17:22

that pitch because we've never actually

17:24

seen at least I have it. Maybe I'm

17:26

wrong. Maybe it's out there. Don't sue

17:27

me, bro. This is my video my my opinion

17:29

here, right? But the reserves in the

17:32

SEFU fund, they're designed to protect

17:34

users in emergencies.

17:37

Uh but like this is this is not backed

17:41

at least that I've seen by credible

17:43

audits. So the SEFU fund yeah it exists

17:48

but we don't have the actual

17:49

transparency to say oh yeah yeah yeah

17:51

we're actually good here. It's not like

17:53

there's cypic protection uh that you

17:55

have that's backed by you know or or

17:57

like FDIC protection that's basically

17:59

backed by Jerome Powell. You're not you

18:01

don't have those sort of backings. So,

18:03

the fund exists, lacks independent,

18:06

verified thirdparty audits as far as I

18:08

can tell. They show Binance, like they

18:10

show wallet addresses, but we don't know

18:12

what kind of debts are against that,

18:14

right? So, we have to be careful of that

18:15

as well. Like, it's easy to flash around

18:17

a wallet address, but how many

18:18

liabilities are against that? So, you

18:20

got to be really careful with these

18:21

these platforms. You know, it's it's uh

18:25

they're they're in a little bit of a

18:26

poopy dupy. You know, is Binance going

18:29

to go bankrupt here or whatever? No.

18:30

Like, they'll get through this. they'll

18:32

be fine. Uh but

18:37

you know, it's something to pay

18:38

attention to. Now, I know a lot of

18:40

people are talking about hyperlid. Look,

18:42

what you have to remember is leverage,

18:46

leverage, leverage, leverage in this

18:47

sort of market. If there's anything that

18:49

I could advocate, and I hate sounding

18:51

like this because it's like so Dave

18:53

Ramseyesque, and I've always been a big

18:55

fan of like mortgage debt and like

18:58

secured loans that I have never before

19:01

in my life been of this mindset that

19:03

this is a great time to do whatever you

19:05

can, especially at all-time highs, to

19:07

pay off debt. Do whatever you can to pay

19:11

off debt. Get out of debt. Be safe.

19:13

Because look, I get it. We love that

19:15

song are going up. You know, this

19:17

morning on the alpha report, we're like,

19:18

"Hey, MP materials, it's going to go

19:20

down." Rejecting off 100. It's done it

19:23

multiple times before. Look at what's

19:25

happening. Okay, we were at pre-market.

19:27

We were at like 98.65. It's now at $89.

19:30

That's like a 9% decline from what we

19:33

talked about in the alpha report this

19:34

morning. My point is downturns can

19:37

happen very, very, very, very, very

19:39

quickly. And you need to be prepared for

19:41

that. And the best way to be prepared is

19:43

not losing sleep at night because you're

19:45

going to get margin called. You're going

19:46

to get screwed by debt. Understand the

19:49

debts you have in life. It's not just

19:51

credit cards. It's not just buy now pay

19:52

later. It's not just margin debt. It's

19:55

all of it together. Household debt. And

19:57

it's taxes that you owe, right?

19:59

Remember, you got tax bills coming,

20:01

credit cards, buy now pay later, uh

20:04

utility bills, mortgage bills, rent

20:06

payments, car bills, car debt, student

20:08

loan debt, whatever. All that is

20:10

fine when we're at the top of the

20:12

market. But when we go into a recession,

20:15

which I pray we don't. I pray we don't.

20:18

But when we do, all that stuff stacks up

20:22

and it makes for a really crappy decade

20:25

cuz, you know, I think if we hit a

20:26

recession, it's going to be a decade of

20:27

hell to to try to actually get people

20:29

jobs again. That's why I hope we don't.

20:32

Uh, and so that's why I'm a big fan of

20:33

preparing for that. Anyway, that's my

20:35

take on what's going on with Binance.

20:37

Why not advertise these things that you

20:38

told us here? I feel like nobody else

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knows about this.

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>> We'll we'll try a little advertising and

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see how it goes.

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>> Congratulations, man. You have done so

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much. People love you. People look up to

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you.

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>> Kevin Praath there, financial analyst

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and YouTuber. Meet Kevin. Always great

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to get your take.

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