Tesla Stock AFTER Robotaxi | Analysis
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It's time for an updated price analysis
on Tesla following the launch of the
robo taxi service in Austin, Texas. So,
in this video, we're going to uh break
down how much money Tesla could make
from its robo taxi service and how much
this could move the underlying stock,
which is quite exciting to think about.
It's also worth realizing that as
expected, anytime Elon Musk launches a
product, there is a lot of criticism.
So, let's get started with the criticism
first and then let's talk about the
upside. The goal in this video is to be
as balanced as possible. Criticism
number one, Tesla's robo taxi service is
only available in this small portion of
Austin, Texas. potentially a region of
Austin, Texas that was essentially LAR
based, mapped using other Tesla fleet
vehicles. That's uncertain. That is not
guaranteed to be clear. But what we do
know is that the FSD vehicles that these
robo taxis about 10 to 12 uh Model Y
vehicles use is a beefed up robo taxi
system uh or an FSD system that regular
users do not have access to. That is one
criticism. Second criticism obviously is
that so far only people who are signing
up and who are handpicked by Tesla staff
are having the opportunity to actually
enjoy these rides leading to some
speculation that only people with a
positive outlook for Tesla are actually
getting to experience these rides rather
than potentially third party reporters
or otherwise. So far, uh, one clip that
seems to be circulating on the internet
is this, uh, potentially mistaken left
turn here, uh, in the Tesla robo taxi
where, uh, it looks like the car gets a
little confused in the intersection,
starts jittering a bit to the left. It's
not unusual to see that when a car is
following a lead vehicle. Uh, in fact,
if you look closely, you could see what
appears to be the navigation right here
at the top right. So, the navigation
indicates that the car should be
proceeding straight and following the
white vehicle right here. However,
Tesla's FSD software does bias towards
following a lead car. So, it's likely
that in the very moment where it's lead
car started turning left, you could
actually see the desire to follow the
lead car right here. It got a little
confused and realized, wait, the lead
car isn't going the direction I'm
supposed to be going. And honestly, a
lot of people are pooping on this as a
Tesla failure. I actually I mean like
it's obviously not good that it cut this
yellow line here, but for what it is, I
mean, it shouldn't be doing any of this,
right? This I People do it, especially
if you're in South Florida, okay? People
cut those yellow lines all the time.
But, you know, if this was if this is
how it resolved it without intervention,
obviously if there was a vehicle here,
we would have expected it to stop. I
mean, it's bad. It's not terrible, you
know? So, so it's kind of like the
Chernobyl line. Okay. Not great, not
terrible.
It's a little embarrassing, though. But
in fairness, of the hundreds of miles of
trips that they've already done with
these, for this to be one of the worst
clips, maybe not necessarily that
terrible. Pretty decent. Now, of course,
that's leading to a lot of outrage from
Tesla fans. like this person. Third Row
Theory says, "I'm sorry, Carlson, but
I'm going to have to unfollow you at
this point on all platforms. I really
enjoyed your content since I discovered
you during co, but your clear bias
against Tesla is very off-putting and
not very objective." So this is also not
uncommon to see frustration amongst the
the sort of criticism that gets more
virality on the internet because as
usual when mistakes happen especially
with robo taxis you're going to get more
criticism. Now, here's a post from Tesla
AI's team that uh Elon Musk also shared
on X, and I think I think it's great and
very rewarding for the team to be able
to share this image because it shows
like you've got a whole department
dedicated to this robo taxi launch. And
it's a big deal for Tesla, like very
motivating for all the Tesla employees,
mind you, right? But of course, one of
the first things that you realize uh
when people get into these actual uh
photos is that there appears to be
a set of steering wheels at computer
desks that could potentially be used to
actually drive the vehicles. Uh from the
location here, you can see apparently I
mean it's hard to tell, but that looks
like another one here. Maybe another one
here, another one here. And this is
probably the same thing that you see
with Whimos where they have some kind of
control center where they can kind of
take over driving for the vehicle
remotely if it runs into a problem. And
honestly, it's probably a good thing if
you want end up in some weird
construction zone or whatever, you might
uh you might want somebody who could
just quickly hop in and take over,
especially if it's, you know, an edge
case scenario, right? Uh, here's a
complaint from somebody who says, "Turns
out the very much vaunted, never heard
of that word before. Robo taxi quote
unquote launch, well, it kind of already
imputes some negative bi bias there, was
really a quote mystery treasure hunt as
instead of the robo taxi coming to you,
you get to go on an exciting hunt for it
as it gleefully hides some blocks away.
Can't make this up." Uh, so it looks
like they're kind of taking a video from
a Tesla bull and it appears they kind of
can't figure out where the Tesla parked.
Now, this is it's unclear if they put
the wrong pin in or uh what they ended
up doing or if the car is just confused.
I'm gonna unfortunately just assume
without watching all this that it it's
it's likely that this is not normal, but
it is sort of a like a day one launch
issue. And they do end up discovering
the vehicle in this parking lot on the
other side, which in fairness also to
taxis, sometimes there are rules against
just being able to stop on busy roads to
pick people up. And if there's no
available parking here, you know, the
idea that, oh, let's just borrow the
bike lane can can sometimes get cited. I
don't know, you know, it it's obviously
inconvenient for the passenger
experience, right? Uh so not not not
great, not terrible. There are also now
these rumors uh and allegations that uh
Tesla uh you know has individuals who
sit inside of the car who will actually
uh tightly hold the door release button
uh to potentially emergency stop the
vehicle. Uh, I would imagine there's
some kind of safety component here where
if somebody tries to open the door, the
car just like stops, pulls over, and
sets the hazards, right? Kind of ironic
the Whimo in the picture right here. But
anyway, there's, you know, somebody
here. It could also just be like they're
holding on to something, but then again,
more and more people are posting figures
of pe pictures of people with their
thumbs on sort of the button over here.
uh almost sort of implying that they
like move their hand their their um
finger off of the switch, you know, when
when there's no concern or whatever. I I
don't know. I mean, this seems a little
extreme, a little nitpicky here, but it
is an allegation that's happening.
Another allegation right here is people
are looking at the other point of view
of the, you know, Tesla control room and
they see here 112 rides and then 499
miles driven. Uh, and so people are kind
of making fun of that ratio. So if we
zoom in on this, what you could see here
is
112 rides, 499. So 499 divided by 112
works out to about 4.4 four miles per
ride. I actually don't take much issue
with this because frankly the hardest
part of the taxi ride, much like in
flying, hey, have I ever told you I'm a
pilot? Is the takeoff and landing. So
it's picking up your customer, parking
where your customer is supposed to be,
dropping off your customer, and that
in-n-out engagement less so like I drove
for 30 miles on the highway. Okay, Robo.
Like Tesla's FSD has been capable of
doing that since 2017. I bought a 2017
Model X in 2017 and I was the first one
of the first people on YouTube bragging
about how amazing Teslas were and FSD
was uh way before it was popular to brag
about it. Uh that's not to say there
weren't other people who were early as
well or or even earlier, but it's just
to say like this is not a surprise. Like
getting highway miles is not a big deal
for Tesla. Okay, that's not the game
changer here. I'll tell you what the
gamecher is for Tesla. First of all,
this morning in the alpha report, before
the market even opened, before it
opened, in our alpha report, which which
is available at meetke.com, you could
join it. Use coupon code Fed uh JPAL,
just J Ap.
We mentioned that Tesla today on this
robo taxi launch is highly likely to hit
347. The 347 line is the way to go. and
uh we literally skyrocketed it all the
way up to 357 only to of course magnet
down and consolidate around 347 because
after all that's how Kevin's lines work.
That said, what we really need to talk
about is what happens when we look at
Tesla revenues uh or FSD revenues uh
inside of Tesla's valuation. I think
that's what everybody wants to know,
like how much is this actually worth to
the stock on a fundamental basis. So
what we're going to do is we're going to
go through this spreadsheet here and I'm
going to break it down for you. I want
to start by saying that the valuation
today we can calculate pretty easily
just by using sort of a forward peg.
However, you have to be really cautious
about using forward pegs because what
happens is you have to base them off of
either your own growth rate or Wall
Street's growth rate and both of them
could be false. So, always remember that
growth rate matters and use a consistent
standard for when you're making
estimates for a stock. Obviously, PEG
ratios do you no good when something is
experiencing large momentum. They're
typically used for a fundamentalbased
analysis. So, if I get the annual
earnings expectations for Tesla and we
go to let's see here we've got let's see
2025 estimates of earnings per share.
Ah, here we go. financials. Okay,
perfect. So, 2025 we're looking at about
a buck 89 of earnings. Okay. Well, the
stock right now is trading for about
$348 and we're looking at a buck 89 of
earnings. That means right now we're
trading for about uh 184 times. Well,
Wall Street believes that Tesla's
earnings, so their EPS over the next
four years into the future could average
38.8%.
So we take that 184 divided by 38.8%
equals Tesla right now is trading for
about a 4.7 peg which is quite high.
Technically if Tesla were trading as a
manufacturer right now as a manufacturer
Tesla would probably be trading for
about $120 time $120 purely as a
manufacturer and as a service provider.
So like you know uh robo taxi or or some
other higher margin business right
they'd be trading for based on today's
EPS they'd be trading for about $200. So
there's a big premium built into there
for something else. Roboaxi Optimus Hope
whatever. So what I've done is I've gone
ahead and put together a spreadsheet for
2027.
And this is my opinion of 2027 and how
we get in here. So, first what I like to
do is I'm going to assume that for 2027
we're going to have uh 4 million
vehicles. You know what? I'm going to
actually move this over to the laptop
because sometimes the laptop's just or
the computer rather desktop. It's a
little easier to look at. Uh so we're
going to take 2027 numbers for Tesla and
we're going to assume that vehicle
deliveries grow. Uh so we get back to
potentially a lower interest rate
environment. I actually think that's
very likely given also that the Fed is
kind of starting to give us some hints
that they're freaking out a little bit
about the potential labor market, which
mind you, as long as like the people who
buy Teslas can keep up their earnings,
you might actually be in a place where
hey, maybe uh maybe we could still buy
Teslas, right? Uh that's going to be the
important thing. So you ask yourself
that when you're thinking about Tesla,
who's buying Teslas when rates come back
down? Well, hopefully everybody. That's
the goal for any car company. Uh but
rates coming down should be really
supportive of Tesla. So let's go in
here. So we're assuming 4 million
vehicles uh at a revenue per vehicle of
about 34,000.
So this is relatively low. Uh but the
average selling prices for the vehicles
have been falling. And our latest
revenue per uh vehicle has been
somewhere around 40.5K.
But we're lowering this a bit just
because we do think over time these
prices are trending down. We'll
hopefully have some lower price vehicles
introduced, but we can always adjust
this back up. I do think keeping this
$26 billion in here might be a risk.
This is a high estimate for 2027. Losing
uh battery and solar tax credits
uh could hurt this substantially. So,
it's worth knowing we probably have to
lower the energy revenues down quite a
bit. So, that's going to be something we
have to pay attention to as well. And
then what we're going to do is we're
going to include
uh the uh what's it called? Uh the robo
taxi revenues. Okay. Why is my
collaboration? Okay, screw it. We'll
we'll go to the iPad stupid thing. It's
uh classic classic Apple not being able
to sync this stuff. So put a bit like
put an asterisk on this due to uh due to
the big beautiful bill, right? Loss of
energy credits. Mind you, they also get
manufacturing t tax benefits. So, you
you want to be aware of that as well.
Okay. Mind you, I'm also not really
putting any revenues in here for
insurance or semis or FSD. The reason I
don't do that is because I put I assume
FSD is part of the revenue per vehicle.
Uh and uh a Tesla bot. I think we're
still a little too early for this. And
we're going to go throw robo taxi in in
just a moment. But first, I want to show
you what the numbers look like without
robo taxi. So, this is 2027 and it
assumes a massive growth in the energy
business. And if I do this as a
manufacturer, I could get this stock to
about $300 per share as a manufacturer
in 2027. This actually isn't bad if you
think about it. 4 million vehicles at
34K, 26 bill in energy, $300 stock.
That's great.
Now, what we want to see is how does
robo taxi affect this, right? So, in
order to see how robo taxi affects this,
let's just assume for a moment we do a
million rides at $15 a piece on average.
A million rides would be huge, right? If
if Tesla could pull off a million robo
taxi rides safely, no issues, gamecher,
but still from a revenue point of view,
probably not very exciting. Why? Because
if we assume a 70% margin, $15 million
of, you know, $15 time 1 million and
$4.5 million of expenses is actually not
going to move the stock at all. Really,
you go from 301. Let's see what it is.
Let's make this zero again.
So, I'll make that zero. It was 30178
30167. It adds about what 11 cents to
the stock. So doing a million $5 or a
million $15 robo taxi rides, that's not
where the money is. This is not where
robo taxi makes money. Where Tesla makes
money is this competing against Uber.
Okay, Uber has about $90 billion of US
revenue. Again, just the United States.
The United States represents about 53%
uh of their total revenues. uh and
you've got about 7 million drivers
worldwide. So assume somewhere around
3.6 3.7 million Uber drivers in America.
Tesla has a huge advantage here as does
any frankly robo taxi company in that
with a robo taxi you do not have to deal
with some loser driver trying to turn
off the air conditioning so they could
save money on gas which is a terrible
customer experience. You don't have to
worry about the driver talking your ear
off when you don't want to talk to them.
And you don't have to worry about them
driving like a loser because they're in
a hurry to get to their next ride.
You're going to get a computer where you
control the AC and you don't have to
talk to it.
I I would love that. Okay. I I like
because I believe that six to seven out
of 10 times I get an Uber that has one
of those problems. They want to save gas
and so they make the experience
miserable. They yap my ear off. They
won't stop talking. Or they just drive
dangerously and I feel like I'm in a
roller coaster back there. It's nasty.
Tesla has an advantage in being able to
get rid of this. And so what you have to
really do to to make this look beautiful
is you have to assume that they could
take share from Uber. So let's say for a
moment uh Uber does three well Uber does
three billion rides per quarter, 12
billion rides per year. Uh and uh they
got about $90 billion of annual US
revenue. That's total potential robo
taxi revenue. They still share that
money. So that's not their income.
That's not the company's income. That's
their total sort of like you know how
much gets transacted through their
application. All right. So if you took
10% of this, you'd have potentially $9
billion of revenue. Uh and this is US
and we're going to go with a 30% margin
on this, right? Because you you're going
to have staff, you're going to have
repairs, you're going to have vehicle
depreciation. The cars you put into the
fleet are cars you're not paying. you're
going to have charging, maintenance,
insurance, uh, supervisors, the app, you
know, all the bull crap, whatever. So,
what we're going to do is we're going to
put $9 billion in here, and we're going
to see how the spreadsheet changes from
uh the $31 price target we had before.
So, if I do 9 billion here, we
automatically jump up to 2.7 in robo
taxi expenses. That 30 is already in
here. Great. Uh, and then what we find
is Robo Taxi has the potential of
adding, I kid you not, $69 to the share.
That's priceless. I didn't even plan
that. Uh, it has the chance of adding
$69 uh to the share price of Tesla uh
with 10% of Uber's
uh market share. Now obviously this
assumes uh 10% of Uber market share and
uh appropriate licensing slash no major
accidents right because obviously
accidents could derail licensing and
blah blah blah blah blah. So you can see
that most of the company's stock
is is probably still overvaluing just
robo taxi unless of course you get a
massive surge
uh and you could get way more than 10%
of Uber that you would get somewhere
maybe around of US revenues 30% or
something like that right that's where
this could get really explosive like you
basically have to replace Uber uh and
the problem there is by that point, how
much competition do you get? You know,
is it going to be like are you still
making $15 a ride on average? The
average taxi rides 15. You know,
obviously some are going to be 50, some
are going to be five, right? So, it's
just an averaging thing. Uh and and I
would actually argue Teslas would be
great for longer distance because
they're so good at driving on the
highways. But anyway, the problem that
you also have is this does include these
sort of rich estimates for energy. So,
if I just have these energy estimates
for a moment, that's going to take $60.
Not $60. That's going to take How much
is that going to take out of this?
6930170.
That took about 40 $39 out. That takes
about $39 back out, right? So, you're
kind of already building in some pretty
decent assumptions at the price where it
currently is. Now, if we go wild here
and let's just leave in the high energy
and let's say that Tesla can do, you
know, there isn't a lot of margin
compression and we could do 30% of the
business that Uber does at a 30% margin.
You know, you don't get the price
compression yet or whatever, whatever,
whatever. That could be huge for the
stock. You know, this could pump you.
you could get $200 share value at 30% of
Uber's US market share. It's it's it's
an interesting argument, right? But it
shows you just how much work you have to
do to get there. Because again, think
about it this way. If Tesla did 1
million Uber Uber rides at $15 a piece,
it'd be $15 million of rides.
That's nothing. Like Uber's doing
somewhere on 12 billion. They're doing
like a billion rides a month. A billion
rides per month. I don't even think I
could do the math on that on this
calculator. I can't. A billion rides per
month would work out well. I could have
done that in my head. I guess that would
work out to about 33 million rides a
day.
That means every hour in the US they're
doing 1.3 million rides. That seems
wild. Anyway, okay. So, let's see uh
what some of your comments are here.
Tesla will get permits at red states.
Cool. How many of your drivers are in
red states would be the next question,
right? So like how many Uber rides of
the uh $90 billion of total available
robo taxi or taxi revenue Uber makes in
the United States in a year, how much of
that is in red versus blue? That would
be worth looking at, right? Uh mind you
that Uber is also in 70 different
countries. So you the TAM is very huge,
right? Uh, somebody says, "I've been
watching your previous videos. Just want
to say pretty impressive." Oh, that's
awesome. Well, thank you. I'm I'm making
a Tesla video right now, so we'll have
to talk about other recommendations
later. Uh, let's see here. I want to see
some of these other somebody here says
Tesla to 8,000 per share by 2032. Let's
go. I have an opinion that uh rates will
be zero and potentially will be at
negative rates in 2032. So, I I don't I
don't uh I'm not surprised by that. Uh
somebody says you need to go to Austin
to test this out. I'm not going to
Austin unless they invite me. Uh you
have to be on like their weight list and
their their fancy thing here. I I would
do it. Uh it'd be I don't Do I really
want to go to Austin? I don't know that
I want to go to Austin. Um I could trip
it, I guess. Let's see here. Somebody
So, somebody here says, "I disagree with
your robo taxi evaluation for 10% of
Uber with scale and labor cost. Robo
taxi is three to four times higher." No,
no, no, no. You're you're forgetting
that I'm Okay, I want to be crystal
clear about this. I'm not including the
labor costs. I'm saying $90 billion of
Uber revenue is the entire taxi value
that they do in the United States in a
year approximately. That's not their
revenue where they already pay labor.
That's the total bill. The bill. Okay.
I'm not taking what Uber made in revenue
after they paid the workers or shared it
with people. I'm taking the total damn
number. Okay. Total. Okay. And then I'm
I'm literally taking that generous total
and I'm only taking 30% off for Tesla's
costs. So, I think I'm being very
generous here. Now, to actually get as
many rides as Uber does, well, you're
going to need vehicles, right? I mean,
in order to do, you know, a million
rides, I mean, if they're doing what, 33
million a day, they're doing a million
rides an hour. Damn, you need you need
like a million robo taxis out there
working 24/7 probably. Uh, which is
fine. You could do that, but it's going
to take your production a year or two to
really like actually create that many
robo taxis, assuming you have the
licensing or whatever else, right? The
problem though, and and this is the
biggest risk for robo taxis, is taxi
revenue isn't that large. Remember, when
you sell somebody a car at a 20% margin,
you're making 7,000 bucks. 78 7
to$10,000, maybe even more if you get a
Model S or Plaid. If you sell somebody a
taxi ride,
you know, every time you get a $15 ride,
you're making five. It's like the
margins are small, so you need to make
it up in massive volumes. And that's
where eventually you wonder like, well,
could Zuks and Whimo compete, but they
don't have the manufacturing piece.
That's one of the benefits that Tesla
has is manufacturing. Somebody says,
Kevin, how do you figure in the Lyft
acquisition? Well, I actually think it
would be very smart for Tesla to buy
Lyft because if they bought Lyft, they
would immediately have rides. Like,
nobody has to go download the Tesla app
to get a ride. They could do it through
the Lift app and then a Tesla shows up,
right? That would be fantastic.
Uh, let's see here. Let's see what some
of your other comments are. Tesla is
slowly turning into a services company.
Well, it ain't so far at all a services
company. In fact, my estimate on this
sheet right here has Tesla at $137
million of service revenue. And if I
remove robo taxi since this is just an
idea right now, uh that would be uh out
of the $177 billion of total revenue
that you we're sorting writing writing
up over here. Oh, sorry. Uh services are
actually only 6.8 billion. So 6.8
divided by 177. 6.8 divided by 177, not
including robo taxis. Services make up
like 3 to 4% of Tesla's revenue right
now. So, it's really hard to argue right
now that Tesla's a service company. I
get it because of, you know, insurance
and and the ideas of where we can go in
the future. Uh, so let's see what else
here.
Uber resets reviews. That's true. And
that's a scam, but they definitely do
that. Well, I shouldn't say they
definitely do that. is my opinion based
on what I've heard from Uber drivers or
people who work with Uber that they just
reset your review. Uh does that mean
that's 100% true? I don't know. I can't
fact check. But yes, I have heard that
they kind of reset the reviews and
that's why you never get into an Uber
with less than like a 4.8 star review.
It's not cuz they're good drivers.
It's because of it's a human business
and uh and and uh you know people people
just get a get a little reset or doodle
and it's over.
Somebody says, "Your analysis doesn't
matter. The market is emotions-based."
Well, that's true. The market in the
short term is emotions-based.
But as a long-term investor, I like
looking at a company like Tesla and
saying, "Okay, well, when is it valued
below my fundamentals, and that's when I
just start salivating."
Uh, let's see here. Somebody writes,
"One million cars times 30 rides per day
times 365 times 5year estimated life of
a car." smiley face. Well, I mean,
again, I don't we don't even have to
multiply that far. 30 rides per day, I
think, would be too little because that
would be 30. What are we doing? That's
30. Oh, maybe not. 30 million a day.
That's about what Uber's doing, right?
Yeah. Yeah. I think because we were
saying 33 million. Okay. Yeah, that
could work. So, 30. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
that's that's just like the math we were
doing, which is uh Uber's doing about a
bill uh rides in the US per month. Works
out to about 33 mil. So, yeah. Okay. No,
no, no. I I I think you're just sort of
back uh like running off of some of the
numbers that we were talking about.
Yeah, that's fair. That's a good way to
put it.
So, let's see here. Uh
somebody says, "Super slim margins."
Yes, I agree with that.
It is a very a super uh nominal margin
business. This is true. Tesla needs to
expand insurance. Yeah, they will.
That'll come.
Uh let's see.
I think that's all I got on Tesla.
I mean, I'm looking at the rest of your
comments here. Why not factor in Tesla
current multiple? After all, it will
always trade rich. No, it won't. Tesla
does not always trade rich. It
absolutely doesn't always trade rich.
Two years ago, I was trading for like a
one peg, you know. It definitely does
not always trade rich. Uh, so that's
that's a very very flawed mentality of
looking at fundamental analysis. If you
want to say that it's always going to
trade for a four or five peg, by all
means, go for it. I'm not going to put
my money on those pegs. Now, I'm not
saying like, oh my gosh, go sell. I'm
not That's not what I'm saying. I'm
saying new money, right? Uh, anyway. All
right. Uh, three members of the Iranian
Navy killed an Israeli air strike. Oo,
yikes.
That's my Tesla take. Why not advertise
these things that you told us here? I
feel like nobody else knows about this.
We'll we'll try a little advertising and
see how it goes. Congratulations, man.
You have done so much. People love you.
People look up to you. Kevin Praath
there, financial analyst and YouTuber.
Meet Kevin. Always great to get your
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