PayPal Crashes & The Google Lie | Why Stocks are Falling.
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hey everyone kevin here in this video
we're going to talk about four different
companies that just reported earnings
and what they're earning said tell us
about what's going on in the market and
what to potentially expect going forward
we're going to cover google starbucks
robinson and paypal so we can try to get
a little bit of a better understanding
as to what's actually happening quick
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into what's going on with earnings first
why don't we go ahead and look at paypal
given that paypal is absolutely getting
crushed what happened with paypal well
the earnings call gives us a lot of
insights so i'm going to give you
the bare bones of it here let's get into
it so first of all
they argue that 2021 was a very
difficult year for them and part of the
reason for that was because supply chain
issues disproportionately impacted their
cross-border volumes this is like money
coming from china or whatever
transferring money to other people they
also say that inflationary pressures
impacted spending within certain
segments of their user base and this
becomes really important because they
talk about a specific type of person
who's starting to spend less money and
this is a little bit of a red flag not
just for paypal but also for the economy
that we want to watch for but it could
possibly be one that we could get
through so uh let's let's take a look at
exactly what paypal is saying here now
uh ceo here mentions that they say
they're in a significantly stronger
position than where they were when they
entered the pandemic which i think is
useful to note given that their stock
price is basically the same as what it
was when the pandemic began which is
quite wild to think about the amazing
rise and fall that paypal has had down
presently 26
on the day sitting at 129
the pre-pandemic price was about 124.
now they are calling 2022 an
unpredictable macroeconomic environment
this by the way is one of the reasons
personally
i've realized and many people have i'm
just being upfront about it that trading
in this environment is incredibly
difficult especially in momentum
segments so just be careful in the
momentum segments if you see something
trending the trends just are not lasting
as long as they used to but anyway
the
paypal executives talk about how they're
trying to invest in things like buy now
pay later and more user retention the
reason for that is because they've seen
a less successful
consumer adoption but not only that
they're also losing some of the
customers that they've been getting
because these customers are maybe less
engaged or they're running out of money
which is quite odd they mentioned here
the more muted into the year for or that
they expect 2022 to have a little bit of
a more muted e-commerce growth driven by
both supply chain challenges as well as
a pullback in spending by lower income
consumers affected by consumer growth so
in other words
as we're seeing prices go up and lower
income individuals are able to spend
less money
they also here they mention that their
strategy for keeping people uh has has
run into some challenges take a look at
this line here their programs uh have
been very successful in generating
account creation but overall those
customers that they've been attracting
have been lower engagement and higher
churn customers they've not met paypal's
required rates of return their internal
rates returned so in other words you've
got paypal here saying hey like a lot of
our customers which really mirror a lot
of people in the united states are just
not able to spend as much money because
they have less money and we're seeing
less engagement amongst a lot of people
that we brought onto the platform this
is not so ideal they talk about the
priority pareto dynamics which uh
remember the pareto principle is 80
uh of the uh profit is generated by 20
of customers essentially they're talking
about how this is totally true over at
paypal but one of the biggest things
that they're seeing here is the
following the impact of omicron and the
effect of inflationary prices combined
with a lack of stimulus is having an
impact on spending and by extension our
business this impact is most pronounced
in our lower income cohorts and has
continued into the first quarter this is
a little bit of a red flag right here
the fact that paypal is suggesting that
this issue that led to this bad earnings
is continuing into the next quarter
remember they reduced their guidance by
just over 10
now the stock is down over 26 which is
wildly disproportionate uh and seems
over overblown
but it shows you how little stability
some of these large phenomenal companies
have paypal is a great company it's a
200 billion dollar company i mean their
market cap is essentially halved from
almost 400 billion dollars but still the
fact that you could drop 26 on a day
with a 200 billion dollar company i mean
this is the kind of movement that you
would expect either in a definite bear
market or out of small caps
you know like a lawsuit coming against a
spac or something right it's quite wild
anyway they say quote the persistence of
inflationary effects on personal
consumption labor shortages supply chain
issues and weaker consumer sentiment
have led us to adopt a more cautious
outlook now this weaker consumer
sentiment argument right here has a lot
of folks wondering oh okay well if
consumers are or or maybe spending less
money that's potentially going to help
push inflation down right well that's
the hope but in the meantime the federal
reserve has to respond to what's
actually happening and we're seeing
pricing pressures increase remember the
new york fed survey from a couple weeks
ago where individuals are spending more
money on essentials and less money on
non-essentials because they're out of
freaking money everything that is
essential to them is becoming more
expensive and so they're spending more
money on non-essentials
uh or rather on essentials leaving less
money for non-essentials like
discretionary purchases right
they talk about how they're trying to
grow their revenues at about 18 percent
uh and this is actually a phenomenal
growth rate for the company and i think
the valuation is is almost as attractive
as netflix was at like 350 dollars but
anyway they say they plan to deliver at
least 20 revenue growth in the fourth
quarter so really what they're believing
is that things are going to get better
by q4 2022 now it's important to
remember that if in q4 2022 inflation
and supply chain issues trend down and
consumer spending remains relatively
stable then we could be good going into
2023 with nice gdp numbers for
2022 but if we end up having a negative
quarter of gdp growth in 2022
they're gonna be a lot of recessionary
fears coming into the fourth quarter and
first quarter of 2023 but anyway uh the
ceo here talks about how inflation is at
a 40-year high and supply chain issues
have never been this bad in their
lifetime and they believe that because
of this 2022 is now off to a slower
start than we previously anticipated not
so ideal now we get into the q a and i'm
just going to try to focus on the most
important parts uh that that really
affect the broader economy so i'm not
reviewing everything here but also some
fun facts like for example a wallet user
at paypal provides two times the revenue
of that of somebody who just checks out
using paypal now another thing that i
thought was wild is they say in their
earnings call here only 50 of their
users actually have the paypal app on
their phone and something else that just
personally bothers me is why don't they
have and maybe they do but it just
hasn't been convenient for me to set up
i suppose uh why don't they have like
apple pay for for paypal right uh like
i'd love to be able to put that into my
apple wallet so i could pay with them
but anyway maybe there's a reason for
that too many layers anyway take a look
at this okay this is the uh chief
financial officer
as i noted in my prepared remarks we've
seen weakness around spending in our
lower income cohorts and imagine for us
the percentage or we imagine that the
percentage of our user base is pretty
similar to the us overall and so it is a
large percentage of our user base and
this was a cohort that certainly
benefited from stimulus in the prior
periods early in the year and we're
seeing the effects of inflationary
pricing around that where there's a more
elastic demand curve in other words if
uh when you have an elastic demand curve
this means as price moves some people
stop buying inelastic would be like i
need my medication if the price goes up
50 i still need it my demand remains
constant so my demand remains constant
now you're inelastic uh however if you
have an elastic demand curve then as
price goes up you're like i'm not going
to buy anymore the problem is and
because initially like reactionally this
sounds good for inflation right but the
problem with this is that's just the
lower income individuals who have less
money to potentially buy
goods and services but take a look at
this with higher income cohorts you've
got a more inelastic demand curve and
that's a lower percentage of our base so
basically they're saying hey look the
higher income individuals they're still
spending like freaking crazy the lower
income individuals they're starting to
spend less
but the lower income individuals are the
ones using paypal in fact they kind of
make this joke they're like i'm not too
sure how many people are buying a boat
using venmo
they made that joke anyway
if you take the midpoint they say we do
have some expectation that some of the
supply chain and inflationary pressures
we've seen right now improve in the back
half of the year we're going to see this
reiterated a few times but i think it's
interesting how they quantify this with
some expectation that some of the issues
are going to get better in the second
half they're not saying everything's
gonna be better in the second half right
kind of interesting and the market's
gonna try to start pricing this data in
so i think it's really important to
watch
then we've got here
they're talking a little bit more about
their app this is where that stat is
with 50 of their users actually use
their app which i thought was incredibly
low i read all of this but some of the
parts were just boring so i don't
highlight them
they say that we feel supply chain
issues will work their way through this
is actually impacting quite profitable
revenue streams for us like cross-border
transactions i mentioned that at the
earlier part of this video
they also talk about how they're
planning on introducing a high-yield
savings account
and they say that we've been rolling out
venmo with amazon starbucks and doordash
and i thought this was quite interesting
because they're trying to get pay with
venmo going which i do think will
eventually turn into a competitor to a
firm and i kind of also think it's weird
that maybe it's not weird maybe it's
just a good strategy for amazon but
amazon's kind of going around partnering
with everybody's button like amazon just
wants
a byte out of everybody's button they
want the affirm button they want the
venmo button they want the you know pay
with amazon button they want the apple
paper i don't know it just seems like
they they want everybody's button so
this is paypal let's now jump on over to
starbucks then we'll go to robinson and
then google so starbucks was really
interesting take a look at some of these
so they talk about how the highly
transmissible omicron variant has
amplified staffing shortages in our
supply chain this might mean and
especially covet zero in china this
might mean that we might see higher
inflation at the beginning of the year
and potentially less later the problem
is is that going to spook markets
remember
bloomberg is now projecting that cpi is
going to come in at seven point three
percent so if you thought seven percent
in january was high if we end up getting
seven point three percent in february
it's going to be even worse people are
going to complain that it's continuing
to get worse and this is where we could
potentially get elevated talk about the
federal reserve being more aggressive
and potentially inflation getting worse
but we hope that this is temporary and
that's what we're trying to learn from
this when are we seeing the inflection
point right well let's see when
starbucks thinks we're going to have an
inflection point first prior to the
emergence of the omicron variant we were
experiencing some inflationary pressures
and staffing issues resulting from the
broader pandemic the omicron surge began
inflationary costs and staffing
shortages well amplified them well in
excess of our expectations that's not
good so starbucks is actually saying as
soon as omicron came around like the
second half of december and in january
all of a sudden boom what happens
inflationary it costs and staffing
shortages got amplified so not only were
costs of logistics or labor increased
but also coveted related pay
is was something that hit margin at
starbucks that's because they have to
pay their employees time off for covid
right
they do say though that customer demand
remains strong and this becomes
important because this is a little bit
different from what paypal is saying
where the lower income individuals are
spending less money maybe because they
have less stimulus or they just put
their stimulus checking paypal and then
never came back to it after spending
which i think is a little bit more
possible but over at starbucks they're
saying hey people keep buying our crap
even as we raise prices in fact listen
to this as we enter fiscal year 2022 we
had estimated full year inflationary
impacts around 200 basis points on
margin for the balance of the year we
expect these costs to increase versus
our previous estimates so in other words
starbucks is telling us we expect things
to actually get worse not better like
most economists we anticipate supply
chain disruptions will continue for the
foreseeable future we've already taken
pricing actions this year one in october
and one in january now this is also
critical because this means that the
january 22 price has not shown up in
inflation data that we have yet like the
cost of starbucks going up right which
if starbucks is raising their prices is
probable that other coffee shops are
also raising their prices
and we have additional pricing actions
planned throughout the balance of this
year in other words they're already
planning on raising prices more and more
throughout 2022 no inflection point down
yet at starbucks now that could just be
unique to starbucks we'll see
which play an important role to mitigate
cost pressures including inflation as we
position our business for the future
then they also said we had more partners
leverage coveted isolation benefits in
other words more people are like i'm
sick with covid and that increases cost
so they're talking about that they also
talk about how
they believe that this pay will moderate
as we get into the second half of the
year maybe because of the summer or
whatever and we start getting sort of a
relaxation of the amount of people using
these these benefits
they do say that their general and
administration expenses including this i
thought was crazy including promotional
spend and marketing were going to be
areas that they were going to tighten up
their spend so this is really
interesting because they're saying hey
we want to
grow revenue
by cutting advertising and instead just
raising prices like that's crazy think
about that for a second you want revenue
to go up so you're going to raise prices
and you're going to lower marketing
which if you lower marketing expense
that means you have to raise prices even
more
you know so that way you get a plus one
over here and a plus one over here which
offsets uh uh the uh the the uh you know
to actually give you some growth
otherwise you might cancel out price
increase with marketing right but just
as a quick rough example uh that's wild
i really didn't think that companies
would actually even remotely consider
reducing advertising uh it blows my mind
a little bit but okay
anyway they do say that it's the
services industry that's facing
particularly particular challenges
especially with increased turnover and
they're seeing a notable battle for
talent we know though it's not just the
services industry we see the same thing
happening at the banks and we see the
same thing happening throughout most
industries in fact when we go over to
robinson you're going to see what robin
says about robinson says about employees
they're saying we're purposefully paying
our employees more money so that way
they don't leave us because it costs
much more money uh to continue to train
more people as starbucks here complains
about exactly that
they said that uh they've got long-term
growth opportunities in china
but they do expect some complexities to
persist
then
they believe that they're going to have
meaningful margin headwinds because of
the dynamic of this environment with
inflation at its highest level in
decades coveted resurgences and
industry-wide labor shortages as a
result they believe it's prudent to
revise their margin and forward eps at
this time and they're also going to try
to do whatever they can to retain
employees more which is just another way
of saying we're going to pay people more
money right regarding margin guidance
they're guiding for about 17
on uh their operating margin this is
less than that 18 to 19 that they
usually have and they're talking about
how cost pressures accelerated in
december and this is not good we're
seeing those intensify as we noted in
january and into q2 now their q2 is q1
so between january and march they're
seeing prices go up i hate it when
companies do that like the scc should
mandate a standard for that because it's
stupid fiscal year garbage anyway
uh they'll continue to invest in their
business blah blah okay
now this was interesting when it came to
a question about how they can raise
their prices this one person's like oh
well we use analytics and artificial
intelligence blah blah blah this other
person gave a much more simple answer he
says as we saw inflation begin to
increase in the middle of this past year
we made the decision to take pricing and
we implemented pricing effective october
1. as inflation continued to grow we saw
that we needed to take additional action
and we did so effectively january 1st so
we've taken two moves in pricing to help
mitigate the challenges we're seeing now
we also have some additional pricing
actions that we have planned for the
balance of the year this is reiterating
what we heard earlier that will
additionally help offset trends in some
of the cost pressures we're seeing now
this was a big one okay listen to this
in terms of elasticity we have not seen
any meaningful impact to customer demand
that let that sink in for a moment they
raise prices twice
they're expecting to keep raises raising
prices and they're not seeing a
meaningful impact to demand
it just tells you you're in a messed up
inflationary market with a fed that's
not going to be your friend
honestly i lost a lot of faith in the
fed uh
when when uh when jerome powell u-turned
like within nine days of biden giving
him a spanking
uh i lost a lot of respect in the
impartiality of the fed it was very dif
very sad but anyway i didn't know this
seventy percent of their beverage
transactions are actually cold beverages
i thought that was kind of interesting
uh you know i thought people wanted like
more hot products
i like hot
meanwhile my hot coffee's cold
our turnover rates uh i would say as we
track them are elevated versus
pre-covered levels dub all right what do
we got over here
going into 2022
uh related to decisions we made around
wages the inflationary pressures in both
freight and labor across our supply
chain and across into our commodities uh
increase basically and this is why they
have to
adjust their guidance that they're
providing the lion share of that is
really inflationary pressure related to
omicron that we saw in december and
we're seeing quote further into
january through march
now they do say we don't know exactly
what will happen but when inflationary
pressures go down then they would expect
their margins to actually go up is
essentially what they're saying here
okay good so that's uh starbucks now
let's go on over to robinson oh sorry
that's their annual report all right
here we go here's robinson
so they are a
trucking and logistics company they talk
about an unprecedented level of supply
disruption and how repricing has enabled
them to reduce the amount of truckloads
that they have with negative margins so
in other words they're becoming more
profitable because they're able to price
more but they actually didn't give as
grim of an outlook in terms of inflation
and i would expect the first place that
we start seeing inflation to subside is
actually in trucking and that's
ultimately what they end up telling us
but let's look at exactly the details
looking at the market we're still seeing
load to truck ratios at historic highs
driven by structural constraints and the
expansion of truckload capacity
basically more demand leading to more
congestion
and they expect shipping to still be a
tight issue for longer in fact they're
saying we expect stronger for longer as
we look into 2022 so still seeing
inflation still seeing tightness don't
don't forget that part they're still
seeing inflation but they believe that
this inflation will continue at least
through the first half and potentially
through the greater portion of 2022 so
even though things might get a little
bit better we're probably still gonna
have pain for the entire year
and this is compounded by the backlog of
ships waiting outside of our ports to
unload car unload cargo strong u.s
import demand which is expected to
persist especially with a workforce
bottleneck
and elevated ocean shipping
now let's see here let's get some more
fun stuff oh yeah cost per mile was
relatively flat before rising in
december due to increases so they saw
kind of a pickup around that omicron
probably haul the daytime as well
they're spending some more money on
technology about nine percent more
repurchases for shares here we go
so they say that as we entered the year
this year the markets remain tight and
their north american surface
transportation in january uh has has
well been tight uh but uh in the first
couple weeks they saw things getting
more difficult but in the last two weeks
things have started moderating a bit and
so this was interesting and they say
here that if we basically get this
continuing moderating
that will if we get moderation we're
still going to be in a low single digit
inflationary environment so no
disinflation really here yet still
seeing inflation well i guess that would
be disinflation see disinflation would
be like inflation going from seven
percent to let's say four percent right
low single digits let's say but if you
went from
seven percent to negative four percent
that would be deflation right and this
is ultimately what we really want to be
able to drag cpi down but they're
suggesting maybe if things moderate
we'll see inflation do this in the
second half of the year but maybe not
they basically say that it's entirely
possible this tightness could remain all
of the year so this is better news but
it's still not great
uh let's see if there was anything else
in here oh i highlighted this one we
believe that the health of our
contractual portfolio will continue to
get better as we reprice in a more
moderately inflationary environment so
one of the problems is when inflation's
really high and you sign like a two-year
contract for shipping you could
potentially get screwed into lower
pricing and then have end up having
negative margins so they're saying hey
like once inflation stops being so
freaking volatile our contracts won't
lose us as much money all right so now
the last one is google this is actually
google mobility data which we could see
for the united states we're still kind
of down here on retail about 18
groceries 11 parks 15 percent and
transit stations down 18 workplaces
though coming up look at that trend
there on workplaces much better
obviously people spending more time at
home but more importantly i want to look
at the google earnings call
and uh the big like bottom line for the
google one is they had said literally
nothing about q1 now we expect their
stock split to occur by july 15th for
shareholders as of july 1st and i just
want to give a little bit of a quick
breakdown as to what google's talking
about which isn't too much about
inflation but it's worth looking at just
how incredible google is so they talk
about their ai business how great it is
they talk about how youtube is exploding
to where their revenue is now in excess
of that of of netflix how their pixel
phone is setting a record how they have
so many different levels of cloud from
ai and machine learning to multi-cloud
infrastructure cyber security google
workplace how shopify reported 6.3
billion in global sales by 47 million
customers all transacted on the google
cloud shopify by the way don't even look
at that chart man that thing went from
like 1700 to whatever 900 it is now it's
it's so it's so sad
but they they did not tell us a lot
about q1 which really bothered me i was
hoping for a little bit more forecast
for retail they say that in the fourth
quarter retail was by far the largest
contributor
thanks to strong consumer activity
followed by finance media entertainment
and travel
and they saw shoppers starting earlier
and spending more throughout the quarter
at the end of 2021 i do think that's
going to create a really difficult setup
for the end of 2022 they also have other
companies planning on expanding their
investments into advertising with google
i did think this was interesting talking
about this multi-year journey to bring
photoshop illustrator and the other
products from adobe online so it's kind
of like cloud rendering
which is kind of cool you can now also
cloud render video games with certain
companies but anyway
foreign exchange impact on revenues
would be a little bit of a headwind we
do expect to meaningfully increase capex
and look at the biggest spending that
they're going to spend money on right
here servers servers again will be the
largest increase of their capex spend
for web 3 they talk about looking at
blockchain and they talk about how the
technology is expected to continue to
evolve and innovate
they are continuing to fight for new
employees which is going to increase
more pressure on wages going up
they talk about innovating more sales
abilities and funnels with youtube they
say that cloud had impressive growth but
margins did come down but they're
obviously working on that and they say
they're in the early innings here of
some of their their new innovations they
say that travel has been relatively
uneven but that's to be expected because
of omicron uh talk about their share
based or share repurchasing
they do talk about broad
advertising strength but i thought this
was really interesting the way he said
this he said so overall we did see
strength as we were going through the
year as i indicated there was a
broad-based advertiser strength there
was strong consumer online activity and
those were really primary drivers i
think the one place that comments might
be more relevant is really an
understanding of the year to year within
youtube relative last year where there
was strength
uh and i think this is this is really
interesting because he's not talking
about forecast at all like this and none
of the analysts are hitting back here
like everything at google is looking
backwards now i'm still waiting for more
details on the stock split but google
didn't provide real guidance for q1 and
it kind of bothers me that google wasn't
giving us insight into q1 i thought this
was would be a really nice opportunity
and so personally i kind of think google
is a really bad indicator for the
economy right now that there could be a
lot of rallying over excitement of the
stock split but a complete failure to
recognize that we're actually having
pain in areas like a paypal e-commerce
shipping starbucks lower end consumer
spending uh we had a massive miss on
jobs today right now some of these
things hopefully will lead the the
federal reserve to slow down this is
actually one of my biggest concerns is
that the market or the economy starts
slowing but the fed keeps raising rates
because they have to because of
inflation
we'll see anyway uh hopefully you found
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