The Tesla Announcement & Selloff.
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Tesla stock is absolutely getting
whacked today, which comes on the same
day that Tesla is announcing the
integration hopefully of Apple CarPlay
into Tesla's, which of course I
anticipate will be very exciting. I'm
very excited about it and will probably
come as a software update. No
guarantees. We'll see. Maybe Elon will
flip-flop on it. But I have to say
yesterday I drove the Mercedes Sprinter
van with Max as we were going to a bunch
of house hack properties and
dude I mean first of all I missed FSD
but Apple CarPlay was clutch. Really
like it. I got on the phone with Lauren
and I'm like hey Lauren you said the
Sprinter doesn't have as many cool dads
as the Tesla. Which is true because it
doesn't have FSD or whatever. Did you
know it had CarPlay? And she's like oh I
I had no idea it had CarPlay. That's
great. At least it has something cuz the
Sprinter van is kind of like a shell,
right? It's not supposed to have all
these cool features. It's like a utility
vehicle, right? Either cargo van or
family van for us. It's family car. We
got seven kids. Which is why like I wish
Tesla would make a Sprinter van cuz
look, we got the Black X, we got the
Cybert truck, we got the Model S Plaid.
Uh what else? We We don't have a Y or a
three, but we love Teslas. Big big fans.
So, we would love to buy a Tesla
Sprinter van. But anyway, so I was I was
talking to Lloyd about that yesterday.
I'm like, "Yeah, no, Apple CarPlay is
great. It's easy for me to turn on
music. I don't have to sync the stupid
Bluetooth. It's like much faster than
the Tesla. Uh the navigation is
integrated much more easily." So, I'm
kind of excited about Apple CarPlay
because it's just an extension almost of
your phone. Now,
this is great for Tesla users, but what
does it mean for Tesla stock? You know,
we just had this buddy on Bloomberg uh
who works, I guess, with Ed Lello, and
he's like, "Oh, you know, there have
been people who haven't been buying
Teslas because of CarPlay."
Full stop Sorry, Mr.
Bloomberg. I don't think people don't
buy a Tesla because it doesn't have
CarPlay. I think, you know, and I've
been promoting Tesla since 2017. I think
people buy Tesla because of not only
like the lifestyle, but that association
that you have with full self-driving,
safety, sustainability, and fast. I
mean, this is like this is like
everything you want. Fast car, safe car,
energy efficient. Like everything about
it is like this is perfect. Like why
would you not buy it, right? And then
the full self-driving is world class for
the United States. I do think we have a
lot of ads competition coming with, you
know, Nvidia plays over time. Uh
especially what we're seeing in China.
Like we should be really grateful we
don't import Chinese cars because
there'll be a lot more competition for
Tesla. Especially with what you're
seeing with Xping with their robot demo.
Like holy smokes. So you all saw that
robot demo where it's like, dude, is
that is that robot real? Like is it a
human? And then they unzip it and it's a
robot. I'll pull it up and show it in
just a moment. But we got to talk about
like Tesla stock. Uh, and so we're going
to do that and sort of like trajectories
here in the in the near term. This was
the Xping robot demo and dude, people
are looking at this like, dude, that's
for sure a human in in that suit cuz
this is insane. Like look how smoothly
it walks and they gave it tits and I'm
like, bro, like can you can you give
guys anything more than they want?
>> Welcome. Nice to have you.
>> So you want to talk about love making,
right?
>> I mean like this is amazing. So they're
like the Chinese are really competing
hard on robotics versus us and and like
literally in that demo they go up on the
stage. You could see it. They go up on
the stage and start like opening it up
to prove that it's actually a robot. And
it's insane because they knew it was so
impressive. If somebody's like it's just
a one-legged actor. Well, actually in
another segment they because I think
people thought that they also ripped
open its chest. You know, there's also a
you know a demo here where you see it
walking as with just its exoskeleton
which is crazy. Uh I mean then they show
it literally in this Terminator style
body. This is wild dude. That hip
movement. Look at that hip. And I mean,
I love looking at hips of robots, of
course. Um, yeah. So, like that hip. I
mean, who nah, never mind. Nobody would
look at a hip. Anyway, so the Chinese
are kicking butt. The problem is, look,
what's the reality for Tesla stock here
in the near term? Okay, so let's talk
about this.
Over the last few weeks, I've made
videos on this. You can go back and
watch them. I said that the biggest
bearish catalyst for Tesla is actually
the comp plan
passing and then the aftermath
because see the most bullish catalyst is
the leadin this comp plan is going to
pass. So what happens traders short-term
traders flood into Tesla stock. So the
stock pumps up to like a 470 value.
Okay. I actually sold a little bit of
Tesla stock at like 455 and sent an
alert to course members because I'm
like, we know what's going to happen
after uh this, you know, the comp plan
passes. It's going to go back down to
414. I've been saying it for weeks. You
know, you could get the alpha report
over at me.com and you could see my
rationalization for this. But my
expectation is that at the same time as
we're getting all this government
nervousness around data, traders are
going to exit Tesla and take profits
near all-time highs. This is also
understandable. People also want to
diversify, right? Like you could have
been in Tesla since 2017, like some of
the shares that I have, and it's like
you've got huge gains on them. Uh I just
got a message. Uh also, heads up, an
investor told me yesterday the reason
they invested in House Hack was because
markets are coming off all-time highs
and they wanted to diversify into real
estate with the gains they had from
stocks. Good for them. That was cool.
That was an investor in in uh House
Hacker Reinvest, not a solicitation.
Read the disclosures over at
househack.com or reinvest.co. Same
company. Uh, and it totally makes sense.
So, a lot of I think this short-term
price action that you're seeing in Tesla
is traders moving out of the stock. And
that's actually going to create an
opportunity for longerterm investors to
increase their Q without worrying about
the P, right? Increase increase quantity
without worrying about the P. Now, there
is also though a realistic problem with
Tesla and and so I just want to be real
like real with everybody here. Tesla is
fundamentally very expensive right now.
we are essentially fully pricing in uh a
robotic and humanoid future and Tesla is
the most like pure play investment that
you can get into humanoid robotics right
now. So I get it like I invested into
Appronic uh both myself personally and
with the VC uh firm that we run and we
invested into that as sort of a
diversifier play into private market
robotics sort of before what we thought
the big robotics boom would be. And so
I'm not in disbelief that robots are the
future, but Tesla's really your pure
play opportunity to to go allin on
robots and a robotic future because
that's what Elon's telling us that
robotics are the future. So you have to
go in here and in order to justify Tesla
$400, you have to take it, you know, we
go, this last one I wrote, I did end of
2030, put in 4 million vehicles, which
is still double the vehicles we do
today. put in Optimize, you know, put in
what? Two million Optimus, uh, uh, you
know, whatever at $25,000 a piece, let's
call it. Put in two million Optimus, and
you have to put in a sexy margin here.
Let's assume, by the way, that built
into the margin for the cars is FSD. So,
I'm purposefully putting, you know, FSD
at zero because I kind of think in order
to get to 4 million cars, just include
the FSD. Like, let that be part of that.
And I'm not going to price in robo taxi
right now just so we can see what the
numbers look like. But we've gone
through these numbers before, right? 4
million cars, 2 million Optimus robots
by 2030, we're at a 315 price at a 50p
ratio. You know, if I do this as a
software play, I have to run this as a
software play to get to 491,
but it's not a software play right now.
Now, if we throw in robo taxi revenues,
great, maybe. But I'm always concerned
that robo taxis are going to kind of
compress that you're not going to get a
lot of benefit from robo taxi. actually
still maintain that Tesla should buy
Lyft. Uh so like I I don't want to be
say I'm like bearish on Tesla longterm,
but like right now we're losing the
trader catalyst, which is yay, stock
plan's going to pass. Now we go back to
fundamentals. And the fundamentals right
now aren't great. I don't actually think
people are going to buy Teslas because
they have Apple CarPlay. I think it is
long needed and it's needed for Teslas.
But I actually think you should buy a
Lyft. Now I don't run Tesla. Maybe
that's a good thing, you know, whatever.
But it's a $9 billion company. It's a
drop in the bucket for Tesla. Drop in
the bucket for Tesla. And I've made this
argument for like a year now. Okay,
Tesla's a $ 1.1 trillion company. Why
would you buy Lyft? Distribution.
Tesla can make a great app. I know that
their software is freaking fire. Okay,
but what you need is distribution. You
need normal everyday humans that go,
"Oh, I need a taxi." and they open up
Uber on their phone and you want to
distribute robo taxis on Uber on Lyft.
Why not just buy Lyft and have all of
those users yourself? You can now
prioritize Tesla robo taxis as you
expand. You can increase your expansion
much faster. You don't have to get
people to download the Tesla robo taxi
app and have yet another taxi app. So,
if you think about it, like if you're,
you know, if you're at a bar and you're
like, I'm drunk. I need to get a taxi,
go home, or whatever. The first thing
you're going to do is you're going to go
to your reaction. It's probably going to
be Uber even though you might know like
like not everybody is is a big, you
know, Tesla fan. Like people aren't
watching Tesla videos every day uh who
just want a taxi ride, right? So you
pull up Uber and you don't really care
if it's a Whimo or human. You just want
to get home. You know, maybe the next
choice is Lyft. But I think Tesla's
going to be pretty far down the list in
terms of people having that muscle
memory of, oh yeah, I want to order a
Tesla. mostly because right now we don't
actually have, you know, the market
distribution on where these vehicles
are. Now, of course, there's a lot of
debate like yesterday, how do you say
her name? Dedra Debosa or whatever. She
was getting absolutely reamed on Tesla
uh because of her uh comment yesterday
about um the number of miles that Tesla
has driven on um I think I saved it
here. I'll pull it up on autopilot uh or
or sort of like full self-driving and
she was getting reamemed because people
are pissed because they see the rate of
change of Tesla's distribution for robo
taxis as as the game changer right
because Tesla is able to expand quickly
with a human driver now this isn't we're
not going to go into like what is it
what's her dedra doa seems we're not
going to get into like a LAR comparison
or whatever none of that stuff matters
right now what matters is that we are at
a phase days of Tesla cycle. Oh
she follows me. No way. Look at that.
Draos, see Draabosa.
That's it. I always hear it wrong. But
anyway. Oh, that's cool. Small world.
But anyway, here I'm just the messenger,
she wrote, right? Whimo fully autonomous
miles 100 uh million miles. Uh and then
Tesla miles with human safety monitor uh
1.25 million. Now obviously does that
does include FSD and stuff but we are
just moving in a cycle right now from
trade momentum around stock plan to
fundies and fundies are going to take a
while to prove. You know obviously this
is where people are like shouting out
these sort of headlines like here's a
headline from 2007 iPhone versus
BlackBerry. I I had the iPhone 1 by the
way uh and game changer. Like the iPhone
was such a freaking gamecher and this is
why people promote like this rate of
change of the robo taxi expansion. I
agree like Tesla's going to blow up in
service area on all of these and I
actually think they can promote that
much faster with Lyft. That's why I
think like you not only get you could
expand the Tesla robo taxi fleet even
with the human safety monitor nationwide
and get people who want the rides if you
own Lift overnight, dude. overnight
freaking game changer and it's a drop in
the bucket for Tesla stock. Uh Tesla
investors will probably rally around it
and everybody who owns Lyft would make a
big buck. Honestly, I think the cheapest
way to get robo taxi exposure right now
is probably Lyft. Like I don't own Lyft.
I'm not like trying to pump my bags or
anything here. I don't own a single
share of Lyft. Like I own more Tesla
than I own Lyft because I own zero Lyft.
Uh and Lyft is doing some you know fib
retracing over here which is quite nice.
you know, it just broke out of the 22
level. It's a very inexpensive company.
It's a fraction of the value of Uber
because it has also a fraction of the
revenue and a fraction of the uh you
know, distribution. But yeah, I mean, I
hate to say it, but in the like in my
alpha reports, uh in the membership, I
was talking about Tesla will be going to
414. I mean, obviously hashtag no
guarantees, but I was like 90% confident
we were going to go back to 414 after
the share plan. And that's not to be
bearish on it. It's just traders get
out. Okay, this right here is traders
getting in. Now traders get out. We
could stabilize around 350 again. So in
other words, are there going to be dip
by opportunities? Yes. Part of it is
going to be fundamental. Part of it's
also just going to be like what happens
with the economy. You know, if we get a
cra I hate to say it, but if we get a
crap show of jobs data that comes out
over the next few months, yeah, Tesla's
going to get hit as well. So there is a
probably near-term window that you're
going to be seeing Tesla at a discount.
And that is not trying to be long-term
bearish Tesla. It's just you're on
fundamentals which are elevated and you
got government data people are going to
be nervous about. So Apple CarPlay is
fantastic. Buying lift fantastic you
know future of robo taxi I'm hopeful I'm
not you know I like my robo taxi drive.
Uh did you all see Carpathy's tweet on
FSD? Uh but if you type in meet Kevin
robo taxi you could see the video. It
was actually very smooth when I went
through and I did this tour right here.
Tesla robo taxi. This changes
everything. This was actually a
fantastic experience. And you don't see
the whole video because, you know, it
was like a 45minute drive around. But
I'm with Ellie and I'm just chatting
with Ellie in in the back of the uh uh
the robo taxi and uh you know we're
we're just talking about like random
things and she's like how come you're
not nervous that nobody's in the
driver's seat and it's probably just
because I've been you know trusting in
Tesla's autopilot since
you know what 2017. So, we're coming up
on eight years of me doing this this
autopilot uh stuff, and it's awesome. Uh
like, it's just a really good
technology. I'm a really big fan of it.
Now, obviously, there are going to be
cases that you run into situations like
obviously we had a U-turn there to a
police roadblock, but those edge cases
are true, too. When I'm driving, you
know, it's like, you know, you're going
to be good on the highway like 99% of
the time, and then you come up to those
weird turns and you're like, I'll just
drive it here, right?
probably doesn't help the algorithm
actually learn, but I'm a big fan of of
uh the technology and I don't think you
could poop on it. I just hope Elon
really gets into more models. Uh not
women.
I think he's got plenty of that going
on. Uh but uh new models, Sprinter van,
I don't think the Cyber Cap is going to
be a big seller. I think the Cyber Cab
is a mistake. Uh and not for FSD
purposes. Like if you want to go cyber
cab for robo taxi, great. You know, this
is his profile picture right now, his
pee pe on on uh um X. And I think that
the Cyber Cap is a mistake for mass
production. I think you should be doing
a four-door, four- seat vehicle, a
twodoor, two seat vehicle. Uh only like
wealthy people who have money sitting
around are going to buy this. Uh and
it's not going to be a good selling
vehicle.
Unfortunately, it would probably be like
the Cybertruck, which a Cybertruck is a
great car. like I will shield the Cybert
truck any damn day. It's just not going
to sell well. So, it sucks. Uh so, more
models is really what they should be
focused on and and I don't know if we're
going to get that focus there. Now,
Tesla also did vote down the XAI
funding, which I actually advocated for
advoc I advocated for voting down the XA
funding. I do not think that Tesla, a
public vehicle with great funding,
should be investing in a private money
losing enterprise like XAI. Not only do
I think you're competing against
commodities, there's nothing unique
anymore about Grock over Copilot or GPT,
like they're all converging to the same
end. GPT is already seeing their user
growth slow down. And so Tesla
shareholders, I think, were smart to
vote down Tesla investing in XAI. Now,
there's this rumor that XAI is raising
another $15 billion, which of course
Elon Musk is saying is false, but he
always does this. You know, it's
probably because it's more. You know, he
might be raising more money. He might be
raising $18 billion and he calls it
false. Or he's uh, you know, raised a
dollar less and he calls it false. You
know, he could find any little loophole
to say why this is false. He did this
with the cancellation of the Model 2
basically as well when Reuters was
talking about it. So, you have to take
this with a grain of salt. Um, you know,
his his comments in terms of why it's
false. But I do think that a Tesla
should not be investing in a private
company that is losing money handover
fist without disclosed financials. Like
if XAI was so great go public then
retail could invest directly into XAI.
But I don't think Tesla should do that.
I think Tesla should take that money and
instead of investing in XAI make a new
model like a Sprinter van. So that's my
take. So short-term, there's a reason to
be bearish, not just economically and
data-wise, but you know, just
fundamentally for Tesla. Uh, so this is
expected. We knew this was coming. We've
talked about it on channel. We talked
about on the alpha report. It's not a
surprise and serious investors are going
to look at this and go, "Hey, you know,
it'll create an opportunity to buy it
cheaper if you're really long-term
bullish Tesla." Uh, you know, some
people are going to wait until the
valuation aligns a little bit more with
fundamentals and take it from there. But
broadly, this is my take and I still
think they should buy Lyft. So that's my
take on what the hell is happening with
Tesla.
>> Why not advertise these things that you
told us here? I feel like nobody else
knows about this.
>> We'll we'll try a little advertising and
see how it goes.
>> Congratulations, man. You have done so
much. People love you. People look up to
you.
>> Kevin Papra there, financial analyst and
YouTuber. Meet Kevin. Always great to
get your take.
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