Tesla Stock in Crisis | Why & Should you Buy.
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we need to talk about a Tesla stock
Tesla's evaluation is it worth buying
what did Elon Musk just say what the
future potentially holds and there's a
lot in this first let's review some
click Clips here from Elon musk's
interview with Larry cudow now remember
Larry cudow was Mr v-shaped recovery guy
and the first thing that I want to start
with is I love that Elon starts with
humor at the beginning of the interview
but boy by the end of the interview it
starts feeling a little dark let me show
you both of those clips and you can kind
of get a sense for the frustration that
Elon is feeling at the department of
governmental efficiency how it's
potentially Weighing on his other
businesses and the difference between
expectation full of Hope and enthusiasm
and the reality of the nastiness of
government and politics I'll tell you it
makes me really second guess ever
wanting to get involved in politics it's
it's pretty ugly there settings fir to
various uh Tesla charging stations near
Boston uh shots were fired at a Tesla
dealership uh in
Oregon various nonviolent shots fired
not a metaphor shots fired yes um
downtown New York um marching marching
against the Tesla uh showroom your stock
is way down you've been criticized left
and right but look on the right side I
mean why why are you doing this
always always look on the bright side of
life
yes okay that's the happy opening but
look at how he transitions into the
depressing portion yeah um you giving up
your other stuff I mean what you how are
you running your other
businesses uh with great
difficulty
um yeah I mean but there's no turning
back you're saying
I'm just here trying to make uh
government more efficient uh eliminate
waste and fraud
and so far we're making good progress
actually so well unfortunately even this
great progress at doge is Highly
Questionable so first of all that clip
of the interview there really makes you
question what is elon's involvement at
Tesla anymore is he actually still able
to lead and Inspire it's important for a
leader to be there and Inspire even if
he can't be there every single day it's
obvious that he's working and busy but
if he's distracted on something that's
actively hurting the business it turns
into something that demoralizes
employees which isn't good it's totally
fine if he's working on something that's
helping the business which is frankly
what a lot of investors thought elon's
involvement with the government would
bring would be more regulatory Clarity
for things like full self-driving or
Optimus robots or rockets in the future
or you know know electric vehicles or
green energy or whatever unfortunately
that optimism has been flipped on its
head we've given up all of the
postelection Tesla stock rally but it's
more than that
because people are starting to question
well if Elon Musk is spending so much
time on Doge and he's making mistakes
there is he also potentially overly
optimistic on things at Tesla I'll give
you a couple of examples the first
example comes from this clip in the
interview where Elon Musk says that the
Biden Administration was responsible for
putting together a report that found
half a trillion dollars of fraud in fact
there was a report uh issued by by the
ga GAO at the government accountability
office um last year so J during the
Biden Administration which estimated the
the federal government fraud to be uh uh
half a trillion dollars so just to be
clear that's that's not a trump
Administration thing that's a Biden
Administration thing but wait a minute
Elon Musk you said that this data was a
Biden Administration thing not a trump
Administration thing no that's not true
this is a report that was released
during the Biden Administration in
2024 but it actually covers a lot of
trump years here see Trump was elected
in 2016 he took office in 2017 his
second year in office was 2018 third
year 2019 fourth year 2020 okay then
Biden had 21 and 22 that means three 3
fths of the years of this fraud were
actually Trump Administration years so
wait a minute Elon did you read the
report now there are going to be people
that are like Kevin you're just trying
to hate on Elon no I'm not I and
honestly it doesn't really matter if you
think I'm trying to hate on them or not
it doesn't matter I don't have shorts or
Longs on this it doesn't matter here I'm
going to give you valuation on Tesla St
in a
moment but I want to do this to provide
you with perspective and insight because
I think it's important when Elon Musk
says he has 100 people working at Doge
and he can't read reports that he's
quoting during media interviews
correctly then he loses credibility and
if he loses credibility by
misprescribing
it's the same thing as when we hear the
same argument that Donald Trump says
that oh there are 20 million people that
are dead on Social Security this has
been studied and reviewed so many times
yes there are 20 million dead people on
the Social Security roles that is
they're on the logs but that's different
than them receiving payments the reason
they're not removed from the logs is
because it's been estimated was cost the
government $9 million to go through and
individually remove those people that
aren't REM receiving payments but that
are still on there and they're dead so
yes they're dead names on the roles that
doesn't mean they're getting paid
they're just being left there but Don
and Donald Trump and Elon haven't put in
the effort to dive into that research
and it's not that hard you can research
it yourself but it's fine let's get past
all this political mumbo jumbo uh and uh
let's get into something that is not
divisive at all like Ukraine and then
Tesla's valuation oh wait okay quickly X
was attacked today and this really does
relate to Tesla okay because the more
people Target Elon Musk the more people
Target Teslas
Teslas are targets for vandalism people
are beginning to get afraid to park
their Tesla vehicles around different
parts of the country which is really bad
because it's expensive to fix vandalism
let's say you've wrapped Tesla and you
really care for it and somebody Keys the
snot out of it or damages it it could
cost you three four $5,000 it might be
excluded from your insurance coverage
you might have to try to fix the damage
yourself or out of pocket people just
don't have that extra money lying around
to fix these problems quick note a lot
of insurance policies do cover vandalism
but then it comes down to the deductible
that you chose you chose a $5,000
deductible you may as well fix it out of
pocket even $1,000 is a big hit we know
that over 70% of Americans don't have an
extra, available if an emergency were to
pop up the consumer is suffering today
people bought Teslas to save money not
to potentially have to pay more money
and crime is crime it shouldn't be
happening but it is frustrating in
because so now all of a sudden trying to
make an economic or C cons conscious
decision and and buy a money-saving car
like a Tesla uh from the point of view
of Maintenance or gas savings turns into
into basically walking around with this
exploding option for somebody to hit you
with $3 to $5,000 of damage out of hate
for Elon that similar hate for Elon is
what we just saw targeted against uh X
where X went down at least on the east
coast and Midwest via a Cyber attack
this morning
Elon Musk suggests that Cyber attack
originated from Ukrainian IP addresses
there was a Cyber attack on X today
which shut it down and may have been
foreign sourced it's a big story you
want to give us a moment on that uh well
we don't we're not sure exactly what
happened but there was a massive Cyber
attack to try to bring down the EOS
system uh with the IP addresses
originating in the Ukraine area see it's
entirely possible that those Ukrainian
IP addresses were actually just VPN
addresses so in other words the attacks
were funnel through a VPN which
everybody has access to these days I
mean insert a VPN ad here okay I don't
actually have a VPN ad but what's
fascinating is it's entirely possible
that Russia could have actually attacked
X made it look like it was coming from
Ukraine to again get Elon pissed with
Ukraine getting him yelling at Trump to
reduce funding for Ukraine so it's sort
of like oh let's manipulate the useful
Elon let's get into Tesla's valuation
all right so the first thing that you
have to know is the PEG ratio has fallen
for Tesla which which is nice this is
this is useful because it makes it a
little bit less overvalued right eps4
2025 is projected to be
$288 however revisions are coming down
on Wall Street usually as a stock goes
down Wall Street estimates follow it
down this is unfortunate for a stock
because it means institutions are really
like you when your price is going up and
they don't like you when your price is
going down so there's somewhat of
momentum in these price Target changes
that actually leads you in the wrong
direction right it makes you buy when
it's at all-time highs it makes you sell
when it's at lows so just take some of
these estimates with a grain of salt
Wall Street is estimating just $288 of
projected EPS for 2025 part of that is
because there's the potential of having
the clining deliveries in
2025 which at this point uh absent new
models that are not just refreshes of
things like the model y it seems likely
Tesla's EPS growth thereafter should be
pretty good looking at potentially
somewhere between 35. 59% uh next year
then 28% then 20% Then 40.6 uh 26% over
the next four years that works out to
about
29.86 uh in adjusted earnings per share
growth per year so if we take that
growth that average growth of call it
30% and divide it into the PE Ratio that
we have for Tesla now of 78.2 is uh you
end up with a PEG ratio of just
2.63 now that's actually a relatively
Fair valuation for a service-based
company so let's say Tesla was uh you
know essentially a full self-driving
company with Robo taxis and they were
providing a service a 2.63 multiple is
entirely reasonable a multiple of 1.67
would be more reasonable for a
manufacturer of cars and Energy Products
like Solar Products or inverters or
otherwise and face it selling for way
cheaper than that they're less than one
but that would put their fair value at
closer to $113 at the estimates which is
way lower than what we had in our
previous numbers because the projections
for Tesla's vehicle growth have
plummeted uh and and their sales growth
their EPS growth this is problematic
because
it does make you wonder okay so at
today's price we're basically still
fully pricing in FSD and at least some
degree of Robo
taxis but we don't know that artificial
intelligence is going to be good enough
to get us across that Finish Line are we
going to have you know crew Chevy Cruise
style controllers trying to remote
control Teslas if they break down or
they miss an edge case scenario probably
not because this is supposed to be a
vision based system then you have AR
arcial intelligence folks uh who say
Tesla's not going to be able to solve
this until we get to artificial general
intelligence because there are too many
Edge case scenarios and as we know most
Tesla drivers do take over driving the
vehicle in Edge case scenarios which
actually means you're providing less
Edge case scenario data to a lot of
these training alos now of course you
could use the the human input and the
recorded input from the human but that
seems to be less valuable than actually
showing that the AI can handle the
situation
who knows the point is Tesla's valuation
on a service and FSD basis has fallen to
reasonable levels this is a good thing
if you see Tesla as just a
manufacturer it's still overpriced by
about a factor of two it should be about
$113 now if you see it as an FSD Robo
taxi service it's decently priced right
now it actually might be a good price to
buy if that's your opinion especially
since you're not really incorporating
into that price any of the Future Hope
on Optimus robots and you're
incorporating a lot of hate you know the
the swastica cars that are getting
graffitied shots fired against Tesla
stores cyber trucks you know getting lit
a blaze there's a lot of pain let's get
into some more fundamentals and
financials all right fundamentals from a
fundamental point of view the company
has a lot of cash their margins have
obviously compressed substantially I
mean if you look over here we we can see
total revenues in 2024 were about
$97 billion that's quite a lot of money
their gross profit was about $17 billion
well in
2022 their revenues were actually about
$16 billion lower and their gross profit
was about $3 billion higher this is what
happens when there's margin compression
okay we've already seen that margin
compression the stock has already
acknowledged that we know margin
compression occurs when there are
companies that have a lack of pricing
power it's actually one of the inspiring
factors that we hadn't talked about
before that uh I closed an ETF that I
had which I started at the bottom of the
market in November of 2022 great time to
start we return somewhere around 24 25%
for investors uh now close that in
February because I'm looking going there
just no pricing true pricing power
opportunities walking into a potential
recession now all of a sudden you've got
NASDAQ selling off you've got the S&P
500 selling off you've got Tesla down 15
something perc uh and so it's no
surprise I mean look look at this timing
I wish I had a an option on this timing
look at this timing meet Kevin pricing
power ETF a year to dat actually had a
return whereas the NASDAQ lost 7% CU it
just falls off everything fell off a
cliff at the end or at the beginning of
March here which In fairness we have
been warning Could Happen we've been
saying this for many months now that we
need to watch the beginning beginning of
the year data to see if hope actually
turns into reality and so far that hope
isn't actually turning into reality uh
but what else do we have in terms of the
financials well I want to say the
balance sheet is really strong you
should already know this about Tesla the
balance sheet is fantastic you can't say
anything negative about this you've got
$ 36.5 billion in cash $1 billion of
inventory $4 billion of receivables no
cash issue here because you only have
25.5 in payables so if I mean you've got
free cash here if I add this together
here 36.5 + 12 + 4 obviously uh
inventory and receivables aren't cash so
we need to Discount those let's discount
that by about four so say they have 48.5
billion of free cash we've got
25.5 of
um total current liabilities due by the
end of the year that leaves us about $23
billion of free cash well we could build
a couple gigafactories with that like
the the cash Tesla has available is
great this is a fantastic uh situation
because it makes it less likely that
Tesla's going to be forced to raise
money in the stock market to
issue now if you look at their cash flow
uh statement you could see on cash flows
they certainly create less cash flow
than they previously did look at 2022
they brought in uh cash from investing
activities of about 14 sorry cash from
operating activities of about $ 14.7
billion and then they spent about seven
on uh Capital expenditures so that's
like seven over $7 billion of free cash
flow it's amazing you can see that's
narrowed for the entire year the entire
year that's narrowed to about $3 billion
so it's it's certainly compressed quite
a bit about $3.5 billion but still
that's a 50% compression in free cash
flow again they don't need it so it's
okay it gives them cushion to sell cars
for less money and keep those volumes up
the problem is estimates for Tesla
deliveries aren't doing so freaking hot
now a lot of people were referring to
the model y refresh is slowing down some
of these deliveries and a lot of people
refer to Australia as potentially a sign
that there's infinite demand for Teslas
because you can't get the rear wheeel
drive uh model wide we went into this in
detail in the course member live stream
this morning so I don't want to go into
terrible detail uh right now but it's
worth noting that there are exchange
rate issues uh there are luxury vehicle
taxes uh that you have to deal with the
gsts you have to deal with stamp duties
you have to deal with byd is actually a
competitor in the Australian Market as
well uh it's also worth noting that you
have cars that need to be configured to
drive on the left side of the road which
is a little bit more challenging to
manufacture for Australian and New
Zealand clean car discounts expired so a
lot of things actually hurting demand
for Tesla's overall in Australia leading
current numbers for Australia to show
that Tesla sales are down 71% year-over
year but why are the model yse sold out
then well mostly because as they they
introduced the rear wheel model as
available in Australia and manufactured
and China what you found was Tesla threw
in almost every incentive Under the Sun
lowest priced vehicle free supercharging
and other benefits including full
self-driving to make it a steal of a
deal it's kind of like a pull forward of
demand and an expiring coupon code
essentially to try to get people excited
speaking of coupon code there's no
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listening to your feedback some folks
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harder times to be part of the research
that we do together every morning in the
course member live streams uh so anyway
this this you know idea that Australian
demand is is you know such a sign of
global demand just doesn't line up with
the data uh it doesn't line up with the
data in Europe it doesn't line up with
the data that we're seeing in California
with registrations and it just doesn't
align with the estimates that we're
seeing from people like Troy Tesla uh
teslik Troy teslik just wrote uh just
about a week ago that Tesla deliveries
this quarter are expected to be the
lowest that they have been in the past
10 quarters TR teslik also suggests that
Tesla's facing severe competition in
China with Brands such as zomi having 34
to 37 week wait time for their model
while their production is running at
alltime highs for the zomi vehicles well
at the same time the model y Juniper
model yeah it has a little bit of a
weight but it's like 2 to four week not
great so there's something else
potentially driving competition in China
The Wall Street Journal had a piece out
on this where they argue that when it
comes to buying cars in China people are
not brand loyalists they just pick the
cheapest car that gives them the best
bells and whistles a lot of competition
from byd and others
in fact Bloomberg uh surveillance had a
research report that Tesla may have lost
about 26% in brand value after Elon Musk
got involved with his government Affairs
and unfortunately that is a shot heard
around the world okay now let's get into
the spreadsheet we've talked about the
spreadsheet many times before in the
past and I have not updated it since we
last did our update and what you'll see
in my last update is I give them a PEG
ratio multiple of uh about 1.67 which is
a PE ratio of 50 at about a 30% growth
growth rate that gives them a reasonable
price target for the end of 2026 of
244 but this is based on 3 million
vehicles to be delivered in
2026 if I make the present value oh
that's funny the present value I wrote
last time was hey you should aim for
$200 well now it's about $221 at the
time of this recording this projection
would only give you about a 5% return on
investing in the stock for the next 2
years well through the end of 2026 so
slightly less than 2 years that's a 5%
compounded return that is okay but
that's based on 3 million vehicle sales
the problem is if we're at negative
growth this year in 2025 and we only end
up getting you know 1750 cars you know
1,750,000 cars then we're at a slight
negative in terms of production how are
we going to go from 1750 to 3 million
that doesn't seem realistic anymore
because that would be 7 1% growth so
let's go with
1750 1.75 million Vehicles produced
let's give them a the assumption that
we're going to go back to 30% growth 1.3
okay cool well 1.3 would look like
two 275 so
2,275 uh th000 cars produced okay if we
leave everything else the same 18%
margin energy sales still massive at 26
billion this is a huge Bump by the way
we still leave uh margins that we have
uh as set for some of these other items
you can pause and see that on screen
that would bring Tesla down to a
valuation of about
$23 so this is obviously significantly
higher than just taking a PEG ratio
multiple of the Wall Street estimates
right this is a rebuilding of of the
estimates based on how many vehicles we
think they could
deliver that said it relies on this
boost in energy see if I take this
energy boost back down to about 15
billion because you know we're in a
recessionary time all of a sudden the
future value at the end of 2026 might
only be about
$170 and if we just can't get to vehicle
growth and we're we should be happy with
getting to Just 2 million Vehicles A
Year Without a price reduction you're
sitting at about 155 to really go
bullish here what you need is you
need the revenue Boost from energies $26
billion of of V which is very bullish
that doesn't assume a recession
and you need some lower cost vehicle
that's really going to get us somewhere
to maybe like 4 million Vehicles
produced which would be fantastic and
who knows maybe that'll come out so far
it seems like we're just getting lower
cost refresh versions like a refresh
model Y which we've ever seen or refresh
Model S or X at a lower price basically
ways of trying to get pricing power
back which is hard to do in this sort of
environment when people don't have extra
capital or money for Capital
expenditures what do you end up with
well I mean then you can get to a $300
price Target in which again is is much
more reasonable than some of the insane
numbers that Tesla stock has been
trading for after the Trump rally but
the Trump rally we knew was detached
from fundamentals now we're actually
having a fundamental discussion again so
the numbers are actually such that
they're getting juicier
again they're still rich but they're way
better than where they were again it
just comes down to what what do you
think do you think we can double the
number of vehicles Tesla is going to
produce but 2026 or the other thing that
you do is you go to like let's say 2030
and you assume that they're going to
sell you know 5 million rooc cabs at uh
you know some kind
of large margin larger than they have
now you go to maybe instead of an 82%
expense ratio you go with um an expense
ratio of only uh I don't know let's go
with uh 78 this will give you 22% profit
margins you know High profit margin car
assuming there's not substantial
competition and everybody wants this
hell you know what go even to 75 okay so
the expenses are only 75% to produce the
car so if they sell a car for $30,000 a
rooc cab their expenses would be 225 and
their profit would be $7,500 including
the FSD and everything people throw this
into the fleet okay great now we can get
to a $500 price target with 5 million
Vehicles sold by
230 and a 25% margin you know now you
want to get really excited throw uh
throw some Tesla bot Revenue in here so
let's assume they have a 30% margin on
the Optimus robot which would be great
they sell 34 billion dollars of Tesla
Bots and they have uh you know expenses
of 24 bill that gives them an extra 10
billies uh of uh of income basically
which is absolutely fantastic right uh
so let's sum this all up here let's see
total expenses let's make sure we have
our total expenses in here let's make
sure we have total revenues to include
include the Tesla bot there we go so
total revenues now include the Tesla bot
we added total expenses now include the
uh you know 30% margin over on the
Optimus bot right
here and uh we scroll down what do we
get to we get to about a $600 Target you
know and that's on a manufacturing
multiple so if you want to go to a
service multiple sure I could take this
to the moon and and you can make some
delicious returns between now and 2030
but you could see there's a lot
of of real work to be done here we're
not in a place yet where we have Optimus
robots for sale how am I supposed to
project to 2030 you know what if we
can't solve the FSD problem what if we
can't get Tesla sales up uh in the near
term it's just going to take a while to
see where these things move now I'm
optimistic on the Tesla bot but near
term wall Street's going to have a
headache trying to do valuations on this
when their sales are still negative for
uh uh for their vehicles and the margins
are not this high so that does become a
little bit more
challenging and uh and that is what
keeps Tesla stock probably you know at
uh $200 at closer to a 2026 price
Target got a couple years to go through
for that now how would Tesla respond in
a recession well in
2022 there were plenty of jobs available
and If We Had A recession a real
recession in 22 my thesis was that more
people could buy Teslas because rates
would be lower and higher income white
collar workers would have plenty of
discretionary income to buy
Teslas the problem that came after that
was we ended up having you know two more
years two and a half three or more it's
actually probably more like three years
of growth now up to the beginning of
2025 here and so the recessions
basically coming 3 years later after
people have spent all their extra
discretionary excess savings and the
jobs Market is harder now this means
Tesla is now actually uniquely more at
risk of a recession so how do you buy
Tesla well my take is if you don't think
there's a recession you could probably
think about buying the dip for that
longer term Optimus future and and maybe
full self-driving
future but there are a lot of risks that
come with that including AI development
can we actually get to that or do we
have to wait for AGI which we're nowhere
close to uh
alternatively if we
recession you probably have to ask
yourself how much is a recession
actually being priced in and right now
that answer seems to be very little
anyway these are just some of my
thoughts on Tesla stock hopefully it's
helpful to you and we'll see you in the
next one goodbye and good luck do not
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congratulations man you have done so
much people love you people look up to
you Kevin P right there financial
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