Major AI Data Center Warnings. Nvidia, Coreweave, SMCI
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The question right now is, is Nvidia
orchestrating a Ponzi scheme with
Coreweave? Now, this is a really hard
opening for a stock and company that I
actually love. I'm a big fan of Jensen
Wong. I think Nvidia is actually selling
for a pretty reasonable valuation right
now. About a 1.3 peg, which is pretty
low given that they don't manufacture
their own chips. They just design them.
This is how they get to these 75% gross
margins which are amazing margins mind
you. You know they bring like 40 plus
percent to the bottom line. This is a
cashg generating machine. It's a
fantastic very rich wellpositioned moed
company with cuda. But what's
fascinating is there's some thought that
maybe is purposefully propping up
coreweave which we've made videos about.
I'll give you a little recap. to make
sure that the value of Nvidia chips
doesn't fall. Now, just a few days ago
in my Corey video, I showed you the clip
where Jensen Wong tells us that the
Hopper infrastructure H100 chips might
be difficult to give away after
Blackwell comes out, which is a nice
argument that Blackwell's going to be
really strong and good, but it's a
really bad sign for anybody wanting to
invest billions to hundreds of billions
of dollars into server infrastructure.
This is a potential very large red flag
that the market for artificial
intelligence is substantially slowing
down at least data center capex. Uh for
example, we heard the CEO uh or sorry
the chairman of Alibaba. We've already
covered this, but to reiterate the
chairperson of Alibaba telling us, hey,
we might be seeing a bubble in AI
infrastructure. Combine that with the TD
Cohen article where what do we hear? Oh,
Microsoft is scaling back some of their
investments in data centers. Now, that
wasn't exactly how they led their
article. TD Cohen's analysis actually
led by talking about Meta and Google
stepping in uh in place of Microsoft.
And Microsoft is still bullish LLMs.
They want to create their own LLM
software to compete with Open AI even
though they're investors in Open AI. Uh
but TD Cohen was bullish in that they
they actually see this this idea of a
data center pullbacks over at Microsoft
as maybe just a shift in priorities for
Microsoft. Now most people didn't talk
about that but the the article while it
did reiterate that yes Microsoft has one
walked away from 2 gawatt of capacity in
both the eur US and Europe in the last 6
months that were in process to be leased
it has also deferred and canceled
existing data centers in both the US and
in Europe last month. So in other words
this is why we got the news that there
were actually more
cancellations than we had first heard
because we first heard about this you
know a couple months ago and now we're
getting this news again. So it's not
just what's been happening in the last 6
months, it's also what's happening in
the last month and it's sort of getting
worse. Now their view is that the
pullback in new capacity leasing by
Microsoft was largely driven by the
decision not to support incremental
OpenAI training workloads. However, we
now now I'm going to throw in a note
here. At the same time, if Microsoft
doesn't want to support incremental
OpenAI workloads because they modified
their multi-year contract with OpenAI
and said, "Hey, go ahead and use other
companies like let's say a corewave and
which we'll talk about that at Nvidia
again in just a moment. This is very
important to it, although somewhat
tangential. Open AAI can now use other
companies other than Microsoft. This
thesis would make sense from TD Cohen,
but Microsoft has now announced that
they want their own LLMs rather than
just rely on open AI, which is
interesting because why are they
cancelling leases on data centers, old
and new, and walking away from deals if
they're also wanting to build out their
own LLMs? Well, it's likely because,
hey, they want the delicious data that
comes from having your own LLM, but they
don't necessarily need additional
capacity because capacity is becoming
cheap. And that's the problem of the
potential quote unquote Nvidia Ponzi. I
know it's a hard line. I'll explain why
I'm saying that in just a moment. So to
me, I don't think we can say AI demand
up and people use GPT or Grock or
whatever, therefore AI stock up. I think
the days of that are over. I think we
can all agree that we like using the
GPTs or the Grocks or whatever for
encyclopedic purposes, for
brainstorming, for ideiation, for legal
review, contract review, or just doing
stuff we don't want to do. This is
fantastic, but does it necessarily mean
we need even more data centers than
we've already built out? And the answer
here seems to be mostly and resoundingly
no. That we may have already hit some
form of capacity. That said, uh TD Cohen
actually think this is an thinks this is
an opportunity for Google to step in uh
or Meta fill in and backfill sort of
some of that canceled capacity. But
again, the point of that is, hey, wait a
second. If the other companies are
filling in, then then then you're still
building just like the chairperson of
Alibaba says, hey, it's still getting
built out even though we don't need it.
Somebody's picking it up. Somebody's
spending the money on it. It's probably
not the greatest ROI. So my argument is
while Google and Meta might pick up some
of these leases. I think Microsoft is
sending you a signal that the money
isn't in the data centers. The money is
in a collecting data from people. By the
way, who knows? Maybe Microsoft will buy
23 and me and get all your genetic data.
Which, by the way, in 2021, I got
interviewed by NASDAQ about 23 and me.
And I told them it was an overvalued
stock and you shouldn't buy it. You can
actually look that story up if you
Google NAS. I'll just do it right now.
NASDAQ meet Kevin Pafrath spa 23 and me.
I'm like no this this thing doesn't make
money. There it is. First line it is
right there. VG Acquisition Corp Spack
deal with 23 and me is two. Uh and then
it goes into like speculative is I think
what the full title is. You can go check
it out yourself. Uh but they did that
interview with me uh analyzing the spack
deal with Meet Kevin. But anyway, what's
really interesting
is we we have plenty of signals at the
moment that the data center buildout is
probably
overhyped. But now we have something
else interesting that's happening. We
have Nvidia saying they are going to buy
uh up to $250 million of coreweave stock
at IPO. Now, this is really interesting
because what that does is it creates a
floor. Just this morning, we heard that
Cororeweave is actually downsizing their
IPO from about $2.7 billion of expected
proceeds down to $1.5 billion. And in
addition to that, the price is going to
be lower than expected. Nvidia now, by
the way, coming in to backs stop this at
an anchor of $40 per share. Now, I find
this interesting because
Nvidia makes a lot of money selling to
companies like Coreweave, and this isn't
solely about Coreweave. It's about the
entire industry. Think about this, okay?
Let's just take this to the extreme for
a moment. I always think when you do an
analysis, you should assume the middle,
but study the extreme, right? So, in an
example, you lose your job and we go
into a recession and you can't make your
payments. What is the extreme solution
you're going to have? When you analyze
that before things go
poopy, you know how to prepare yourself,
right? Okay. That doesn't mean that's
going to happen. So, if Coree IPOs at
$40 and Nvidia doesn't back them and
Coreweave drops
to, I don't know, zero. Okay, let's just
go extreme. Go to zero. corewave goes to
zero. Well, what happens? Well, now all
of a sudden the value of every data
center in the country plummets, gets
written down because of a failed
Coreweave IPO. the industry cannot allow
Coreweave to fail, which in a weird way
is actually bullish for Coree's IPO
because you've got all these
institutions that have so much risk of
Nvidia stock going down. Think about any
VC who's investing in these private data
centers or even honestly XAI in their
Tennessee data center. If Coree went to
zero, the Tennessee data center that XAI
owns would be worth substantially less.
new data center projects would come into
question. And then guess what happens if
somebody's like, "Hey, Nvidia, I want to
buy 100,000 Blackwell chips to, you
know, invest in a data center." Oh crap.
But wait, the last company that did that
with Hopper chips. You guys bankrupted
them by coming out with too good of
chips too rapidly. Well, why the hell
would I buy Nvidia chips and go into
making a data center? You're basically
buying at peak bubble for data centers.
So it is industry critical that the
coreweave IPO goes well even if you
don't care about the core IPO if
Coreweave plummets. It's bad news for
Nvidia, AMD, and any of the relateds.
Super micro computer for the
infrastructure, Vertive, for water
cooling. I don't really care what it is.
Dell for the 4% of their business that's
exposed to AI data center servers
anyway. It's bad. So, this is where the
Ponzi thesis comes from. Let's take
other money and funnel it into Coreweave
to prop Coreweee up to make it seem
successful and then, you know, pay out
shareholders if the share price goes
down to make sure the whole system still
seems
sound. Meanwhile, it's propped up by
Fugazi just to prevent the entire thing
from from falling more substantially.
Now, I'm not here saying Cororee is
going to go to zero, okay? I'm just
saying even coreweave going down 20% and
let's say it IPOs. So usually what they
do is they'll IPO at 40 bucks, but
they'll probably be up at like $60 when
it first trades because they
purposefully restrict the shares. And we
know Nvidia is putting a $250 million
floor in at 40. So people will speculate
this up to $60 or $80 or whatever. This
is why you almost always see an IPO.
It's like it's up 50% on the first day
of trading. That's all part of the
marketing because the businesses want
the article that's like look at how
successful our IPO was. Even though
they'll raise less money because they're
not going to benefit from that run. It's
the people buying it who will benefit
from that run. Cororeeve will raise less
money. It'll still be good enough
because remember they've got about two
to that's like 2.8 to3 billion of bills
coming due this year. They don't have
the money. $ 1.5 billion is going to
help them and then they can always issue
more shares in six months. Although in
six months that's when your insiders are
going to have a lock up expiration. So
you probably are going to be like more
like 3 months when before they start to
raise money. And the issue with that is
how much is that stock potentially going
to fall and what kind of downstream
effects is that going to have to other
stocks. So, I'm not saying because I
think there's going to be a lot of
support for trying to keep corewave
propped up because it's so industry
critical. So, I'm not saying the stock
is definitely going to go down. I'm not
saying you should, you know, short at
day one because you could get totally
hosed by, you know, what I think is at
play here. But my point is what I would
encourage is watch the financials of
Coree and the price action because the
price action of Coreweave and the
financials of Cororeweave will give you
a really good barometer as to the future
of investing in chip plays like Nvidia.
So if I'm let's say a a future Nvidia
buyer, what am I looking for? Well, I'm
looking at, hey, if Coreweave
plummets, maybe I'm less interested in
Nvidia at today's price and I'll wait
for it to be $80 or $60 or whatever. If
Coree takes off, it stays up, they do
their secondary offering, it keeps
cranking. 6 months from now, they have
their insider transactions that unlock
and after those unlock, they're still
doing well and they're able to raise
money and invest more into data centers.
Great. that's supportive of Nvidia
stock. So, think about this as sort of a
uh a canary, if you will. The canary has
arrived to the proverbial coal mine. Why
not advertise these things that you told
us here? I feel like nobody else knows
about this. We'll we'll try a little
advertising and see how it goes.
Congratulations, man. You have done so
much. People love you. People look up to
you. Kevin Pra there, financial analyst
and YouTuber. Meet Kevin. Always great
to get your take.
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