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The Truth: Microstrategy & Michael Saylor's 0% Bitcoin.

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can you believe micro strategy just

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raised $3 billion in debt and they pay

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0% in interest you might be thinking to

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yourself that's stupid who would give

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micro strategy money with 0% interest

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well $3 billion worth of people did and

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in this video you're going to learn why

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people have so much faith in micro

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strategy we're going to go through the

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worst case scenario and why that worst

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case scenario might not be coming as

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soon as some people think you're going

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to learn a whole lot about how the

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financial system works buckle up

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subscribe hey everyone me Kevin here we

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need to talk about micro strategy

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because what's going on with Bitcoin and

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micro strategy is remarkable but a lot

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of folks were expecting myself included

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that Bitcoin was going to hit 100,000

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this weekend I thought we were going to

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get to our 102k level but we topped out

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at about

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995 on Friday and now we're sitting at

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around

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96,000 now obvious ly that sounds like a

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lot I mean that's $4,000 of a swing

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almost right three and a half uh but it

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really only represents like a 3 and a

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half to 4% swing it's like sort of like

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the daily fluctuation of any normal

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stock it's not a big deal but a lot of

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folks are wondering what's going on with

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micro strategy and how does that

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particular stock boom is it a

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fundamentals thing is it a long-term

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thing is it like what because after all

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micro strategy in the last year is up

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71% 711 yeah that's pretty crazy a year

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ago today November 24th they were

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selling for about 52 bucks right now

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they're selling for

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$421 per share which is literally down

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18% from the peak 3 days ago this is

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crazy okay 3 days ago this was selling

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for about $115 more per share at roughly

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$535 now it's at$

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421 although who knows maybe it'll

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Skyrocket again when the Market opens up

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for Black Friday or or you'll get a

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Black Friday discount sale who knows but

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a lot of folks are wondering like Kevin

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what is actually going on here like what

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do they actually have on their balance

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sheet so that's the first thing I did is

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I went over to their last filing and you

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have to do some adjusting here because

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it we believe that they hold about

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252,000 Bitcoin

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before their actual Bond offering that

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they just did so that does make things a

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little bit more complicated because when

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you look at their balance sheet you

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don't want to take digital assets for

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that $6.8 billion and assume that 6.8 is

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still worth 6.8 if you divide that 6.8

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billion do by 252,000 Bitcoin they spent

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basically their cost basis is somewhere

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around $27,000 per Bitcoin this means

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you actually have to

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multiply how much they say they have on

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their balance sheet of 6 .8 billion in

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digital assets by about three and a half

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to get to today's pricing which means

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they actually have closer to 24 billion

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dollar of

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Bitcoin it's a lot like I'm like dang

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man you know we just did this um you

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know robotics uh and and Ai and space

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exploration VC uh we've got uh TBD but I

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think we might be closing that within

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the next two weeks and we've still got

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some slots we've already raised over 7

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figures for it if you want to learn more

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about that go to roboh hack. a but I

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believe that's going to close in about

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10 days it'll be about a week before the

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house hack offering but anyway uh you

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can learn about that I'll just link it

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down below or it's roboh hack. a but

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what's remarkable here think about this

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for a moment is they show this on the

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balance sheet at a cost of $27,000 why

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because in order for them to increase

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what's on their balance sheet and show

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it to you correctly they'd have to take

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a gain but if you take a gain you have

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to pay tax on it so that's the cool

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thing about having appreciating assets

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is you don't actually have to pay the

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taxes on it right anyway so so I mean

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they've got $24 billion uh of of Bitcoin

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that's why I was joking I'm like oh you

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know we just raised seven figures for

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the VC and I'm like oh this is so cool

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raiseed seven figures for the VC and

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then I'm like bro they just raised $3

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billion and what are they doing with it

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I buy Bitcoin wait so they they don't

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have to go like deal with tenants and

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toilets or like interview robotics

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companies or like deal with startups or

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other people nah this my Bitcoin man and

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I'm

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like

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damn why I got freaking easy okay I want

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put I don't want to you know Michael

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sailor has been working at this company

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micro strategy for you know uh a quarter

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of a century or more so I'm not trying

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to discredit work but it just it's kind

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of like all right all right anyway so so

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y'all got 24 billies you just raised

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another three billies and what are you

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going to do with that three billies well

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you're literally going to buy Bitcoin

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with it well you say and General

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Corporate purposes and you're filing on

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it they're going to buy

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Bitcoin okay got it so let's now say

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they have $27 billion in assets how much

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debt do they have uh well they've got uh

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on their balance sheet long-term debt uh

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and current liabilities all that good

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stuff got about seven s and a half some

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of these are deferred tax liabilities

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and otherwise so not that big of a deal

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let's just go ahead and say 7 and A2 now

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including the 3 billion more that they

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just raised here okay cool so you've got

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27 billion in total assets minus 7.5

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billions of debt puts us about 20

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billies of actual Equity so then I look

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at what's the stock trading for and that

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is about uh $85 billion so that means

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they are trading for about 4 and a half

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times how much Bitcoin they have and

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then this is where we have to look and

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say okay well I mean their valuation

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shouldn't only be the book Book value

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like an actual operating real estate

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company for example like Invitation

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Homes you know they don't do wedge deals

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but they trade for like two 2.2 times

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book so you know you take 100,000 let's

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say as a house uh $50,000 of debt okay

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you got 50 of equity they'll trade for

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100,000 because there's actually like an

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operating company that could go buy more

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real estate in otherwi and that's like

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your bare minimum on an asset company

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right that's not even big growth at like

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an Invitation Homes but they're trading

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here at about 4 and A2 times book uh you

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know super micro was trading for less

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than two times book as an AI play last

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week that's why I bought the crap out of

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it I'm like less than two P times book

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that's a freaking steal for an air

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related no guarantees so I'm seeing them

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I'm like all right okay y'all trading

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for like four times so what do you do

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then because maybe maybe y'all do

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something that that I don't know makes a

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lot of money uh and so I went over to

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their income statement and the first

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thing I noticed is that revenues have

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basically been declining you know the

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could be for a while I mean not just the

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last three months last nine months but

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the kesc letter put a great little chart

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out and they show just declining

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revenues for for their products for a

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while that's not to say that their

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products aren't worthy but usually when

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you have a company that is taking a net

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loss mostly because their operating

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expenses well exceed their gross profit

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by well a lot now some of it it's

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because they take impairment charges but

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even if you didn't take the impairment

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charges you'd still be losing money

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because you're spending more money on

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the operations for this you know

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software company that you have than

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you're actually making and growth is

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declining so you're a money losing

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company where growth is declining that

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makes it really really hard for you to

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get multiple in software like companies

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will be okay like markets rather will

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let your stock Skyrocket if you're

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losing money if you have growth you know

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like a snowflake oh my God growth you

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now people pay for growth even if you're

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losing money uh which is also blows my

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mind as to why pelaton stock is doing

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decently in the last few months because

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they they're losing money and they

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really don't have growth I think people

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just look and they're like oh it's less

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than $10 for Paton I have a paleton bye

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like that's sort of like the due

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diligence that exists out there anyway

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so uh all right so so we're trading for

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four and a half times book we don't

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really have a rationale to give this

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thing you know an acceleration here in

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valuation for the fundamental business

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because well it's losing money and it's

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declining in growth so why do we have a

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bond offering of $3 billion and how does

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this actually work like who would buy a

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bond offering for micro strategy and

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what does this potentially mean if

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things go oopsy dupsies well first of

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all they're issuing a $3 billion Bond

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offering with a 0% interest rate that's

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crazy to me a 0% interest rate uh and

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it's due in

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2029 and it will not convert unless the

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stock is trading for more than

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$672 40 per

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share okay wait a minute this seems a

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little weird help me understand this

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Kevin so if I buy $11,000 of micro

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strategy bonds they're going to pay me

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$0 correct they're going to pay you

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0 okay so what do I get out of it well

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well if micro strategy goes to let's say

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$1,000 a share in the future your $1,000

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will convert into shares at

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672 that's a 55% premium from where we

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sit today and then you'll get the

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difference so you'll get that upside

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that extra you know 30 40% or whatever

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you would get that upside so it's almost

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like a call option and that's why

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they're not paying you any interest now

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what's kind of weird weird about it is

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if you try to buy a call option instead

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you start realizing the because the

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volatility is so high the premiums are

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even more overpriced so even though

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you're paying a 55% premium on a bond

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you'd be paying way more probably like a

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70 to 100% premium on long-term call

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options that don't even go out to 2029

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so people are thinking hey let me park

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money into these Bitcoin bonds basically

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uh and you get a few benefits number one

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they're preferred so if the company

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micro strategy goes bankrupt the first

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debt that gets paid back not the

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shareholders it's the bond holders so

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the bond holders are going to get paid

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back first if micro strategy goes

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bankrupt okay got it so you got

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liquidation preference so imagine that

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liquidation preference on basically an

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option so if the company like doesn't

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trade for over $672 in the future

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technically micro strategy needs to pay

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these Bond holders back

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so they'll give them the cash back

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they'll refinance they'll do some new

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bonds whatever or sell some stock

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whatever they need to do so if they do

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that then really what they're do because

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these are convertible bonds really what

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they're doing is they're saying hey do

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you want a call option on bitcoin you

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start making money after $672 if it's

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less than that you get your money back

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if we go bankrupt you get first priority

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you get your money getting your money

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back and if we go to $22,000 a share or

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whatever you get all of the difference

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between 672 and

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2000 okay for a lot of people that

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actually makes sense cuz you're kind of

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wondering like who would buy these bonds

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at a 55% premium why well that's why

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because it's basically a call option

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that doesn't have Theta Decay and it has

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liquidation preference okay wait a

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minute that's actually when you put it

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that way kind of interesting yes it is

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and not only do you have that longer

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expiration time frame but you can buy it

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in a 401k or something else else so

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convertible bonds are actually very

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interesting because of these features

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that they have they're very complicated

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to understand and I'm about to go

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through how things could actually go

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wrong with a convertible Bond but I want

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to mention this is the similar structure

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that we Ed for house hack except we made

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it even more desirable for our investors

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when people invest in house hack they

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get over at house.com they get a 5%

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coupon and we pay that out monthly so

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every month you get a check for 5% you

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know divided by 12 obviously for the

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year uh of what you invested said

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house.com and rather than telling you

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you get the upside of the stock at a 55%

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premium like micro strategy trading you

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know for 400 something now and and it

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doesn't actually uh convert to shares

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until 672 and some date in the future

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we're basically saying hey we'll give

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you today's valuation no premium and the

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low end of today's valuation too so in

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other words we think our hope is that a

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house hack which isn't public obviously

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can IPO at some point in the future and

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you get all of that upside and you got

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paid a yield so that's just something to

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when you're thinking about micro

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strategy compare because the pros and

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cons are actually similar with the fact

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though that micro strategy charges you a

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55% premium although they do have a much

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more volatile asset Bitcoin that they're

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buying we're raising bonds to go buy

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real estate that basically yields us you

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know depending on the real estate we buy

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probably in average average of 4 to 5%

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something like that we use that uh and

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we get a good deal wedge deals which

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helps us pay out a yield and that lets

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us grow our asset base which lets us

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grow the company and become a really

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awesome part uh of uh frankly what we

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want to be is America's best landlord

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create the best homes and then uh

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eventually uh turn those back over to

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the community not just helping people

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with rentals in the meantime but but

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long-term ownership too so where does

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Micro strategy go bad well micro

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strategy could potentially go bad if the

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valuation of Bitcoin fell dramatically

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now the problem with Bitcoin uh and and

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some people see it as a feature so I

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just want to be transparent here I'm not

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taking sides I just want to be clear the

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problem with Bitcoin is that um because

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it's an asset class that does well when

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it does well it does poorly when it does

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poorly now I know that sounds like a duh

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but I want you to think about this for a

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moment when Real Estate is rented out as

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a comparison this is very important when

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Real Estate is rented out and the market

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Falls as long as the tenants still

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paying rent it doesn't matter as long as

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you're in your portfolio 90% of your

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tenants are still paying rent or 95% are

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still paying rent it doesn't matter what

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the market value is like your rent is

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not predicated on the market value of

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the real estate with Bitcoin what

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sustains Bitcoin is not rent or company

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earnings which does have benefits you

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know you don't get sometimes the

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volatility what sustains the price of

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Bitcoin is Bitcoin being bought so on

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the upswing as companies like micro

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strategy take $33 billion and go buy

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more Bitcoin you push Bitcoin up more

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which then induces more people to buy

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Bitcoin in fact we have had greater

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flows into Bitcoin related funds thanks

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KC letter again uh you know just this

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last week than we had going into

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GameStop during the GameStop Euphoria

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which is is crazy

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okay yes many call it a bubble some even

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call it a Ponzi because you're taking

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this money that you've raised and now

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you're buying more except you're

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accelerating the value of what you're

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buying which again is also different

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from buying real estate like you buying

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a house in a neighborhood and there are

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10,000 other homes is it is it going to

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jack up the prices of all these homes

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whereas when you're taking $3 billion

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dollar of Bitcoin you're probably eating

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up all the sell order book basically and

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you're driving it up

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more so the issue is once Bitcoin starts

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falling we don't know when that will be

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it could hit 250,000 first to get a

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million for I have no idea okay but once

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it starts actually sustainably

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falling it becomes very hard to sell and

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I don't mean like putting it in an order

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to sell I mean sell to people it's very

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difficult to sell a retired couple hey

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uh you know only 1% of the world owns

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Bitcoin and you should too before

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everybody else gets in want to buy some

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Bitcoin and like I usually the only due

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diligence that's done here by the way is

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uh they look at the chart all right well

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what's the performance been over the

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last year

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it's doubled oh yes I'll buy some okay

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now how does it work well it's down 30%

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over the last year but don't worry it's

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just class it'll go back up yeah we're

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going to think on that

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one it's like what selling something

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that goes up is easy you don't want to

16:50

be the person telling somebody that

16:51

something that's going up is going to go

16:53

down because nobody wants to hear that

16:54

because that means people are losing

16:55

money but what happens when it actually

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does go down well then it becomes nearly

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impossible to

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sell uh to to new people to get inflows

17:06

because the recent history is bad this

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then does the opposite of creating the

17:11

order book of fomo which we have now

17:14

which is people are only buying at

17:15

higher and higher prices because they

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want to be part of the game it creates

17:19

the order book of fear which is micro

17:22

strategy can't raise money anymore

17:23

people are selling and now you have this

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sort of self sustained decline obviously

17:28

that's you know just Bitcoin as an asset

17:30

class if uh a fall in Bitcoin is

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conjoined with a fall in the stock

17:34

market well we could create a recession

17:36

but that's really a topic for a

17:37

different video we don't want to get so

17:38

broad here the point is once you

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actually get a sustained correction

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again it does you are going to slow down

17:43

your adoption of Bitcoin and that is

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going to substantially reduce the

17:47

volatility of options and micro strategy

17:51

stock or whatever that might be a better

17:53

time to consider buying options or

17:56

actually buying into Bitcoin so I'm not

17:58

here to say say like oh when it goes

17:59

down it's going to go down forever there

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will always be better times to buy it's

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simply to say that now that we have an

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understanding of all this we have to

18:08

consider micro strategy again so what

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happens when micro strategy potentially

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gets into a place where they have to

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start paying back their bonds their

18:20

convertibles but they cannot pay them

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back okay this is a problem so when you

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have $7 billion of

18:29

convertibles and uh your stock starts

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falling then you're not going to be able

18:35

to convert the bonds to shares instead

18:38

you will have to pay them back but if

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your stock keeps falling it makes it

18:43

very difficult for you to refinance

18:45

those bonds to get new loans new bonds

18:47

to replace the olds uh and in that case

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you start running into potential

18:52

problems where you have to issue shares

18:54

on the stock market to pay for your

18:56

first bonds to pay them off so you're

18:58

not in default

18:59

that's fine it works for a while as long

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as your stock price still has something

19:03

to it but what happens is your next

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bonds expire in

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2027 and there's only about a billion

19:10

dollars of them then you've got about a

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billion in 2028 and you've got about

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785 in

19:17

2030 uh you've got uh and then you got

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someon you got about

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631 in in 30 sorry 600 in 2031 you've

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you got 786 in 32 and then of course you

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just added the three for 2029 so when

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this really becomes a problem isn't

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actually really until well likely

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2027 if and when Bitcoin was a lot

19:44

cheaper and all of a sudden they

19:47

couldn't pay off that billion dollars in

19:48

bonds I think that's one of the reasons

19:50

why they've actually been smart to start

19:52

moving these bonds down in in further

19:55

out in time you know they're going 27 28

19:58

the latest three bills that they did are

20:00

in

20:01

2029 this is smart the biggest risk

20:05

factor is not going to be near-term for

20:07

micro strategy there's going to be

20:08

near-term fluctuation it's actually what

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happens at the end of the decade what if

20:12

you're at a place where the Bitcoin

20:14

Euphoria has has died down a little bit

20:16

and now you're below cost that would be

20:19

problematic let's say their cost you

20:21

know their average cost bases would be

20:23

somewhere around 35,000 once they keep

20:25

adding more Bitcoin whatever let's say

20:26

their average cost is somewhere around

20:28

35,000

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and Bitcoin goes to I don't know $20,000

20:32

I'm just making an extreme example here

20:34

I I know many people are oh my gosh I

20:36

buy the dip out of that great that's

20:37

fine but but what if you're buying the

20:39

dip doesn't help because you don't have

20:41

Micro strategy buying okay and now the

20:43

asset trades sideways for 3 or 4 years

20:46

well the big risk here and you can see

20:47

how far down the road it is but the big

20:49

risk here is the asset trades sideways

20:51

there's little liquidity for micro

20:52

strategy they need to dump shares to

20:54

actually be able to pay off their debt

20:57

so their stock valuation goes down down

20:59

their earnings from their software

21:00

business aren't helping them because

21:02

there are no earnings and they're not

21:03

growing the earnings so all of a sudden

21:05

towards the end of the decade you could

21:06

be in a place where this stock has a lot

21:10

of problems if Bitcoin is not worth more

21:13

Bitcoin just consistently needs to stay

21:15

above

21:16

$35,000 would be my my safety buffer

21:18

there uh which honestly you've got a lot

21:21

of room between now and then uh you're

21:23

at 35 now it would have to fall

21:25

somewhere around

21:26

63% so that that I mean it can happen

21:29

you you get another crypto winter it

21:31

seems like there's insulation here but

21:33

I'm just saying I if for whatever reason

21:36

we start trending in that

21:39

direction uh keep that in mind micro

21:42

strategy is going to have the oopsies

21:44

between 27 and

21:46

2030 if Bitcoin gets back below you know

21:49

maybe write that down 50k so put put a

21:50

little alert if Bitcoin under 50 and

21:53

date after 2027 micro strategy starts

21:56

having maybe oopsies but between now and

21:59

then your debts just aren't coming due

22:01

with this company so really this company

22:04

I mean Bitcoin could go down to $20,000

22:06

and this Bitcoin or this company doesn't

22:08

have any problems because they're not

22:09

paying any yield on their bonds anyway

22:12

pretty much I think they just paid off

22:13

their yeah they paid off their 75 yields

22:17

uh oh they're 2028 cost them 62 2030s 62

22:22

20 31s cost

22:24

87 and their 2032 is cost 2.25 Okay so

22:28

so they've got a little bit of interest

22:29

expense but it's so freaking nominal

22:31

they could sell you know a few Bitcoin

22:33

and cover it basically they're probably

22:35

going to be okay until their bonds start

22:38

coming due and you would need Bitcoin to

22:41

collapse so in other words you know a

22:44

lot of people it makes sense why people

22:45

are looking at these these 2029 bonds

22:48

for micro strategy because they are

22:50

probably insulated between now and

22:53

certainly until their next bonds come

22:55

due 27 28 29 uh and you would need

22:58

Bitcoin to fall substantially in which

23:01

case if you thought Bitcoin was going to

23:02

fall substantially you wouldn't buy the

23:03

bonds anyway so this is why uh when we

23:06

ask why would somebody why would people

23:09

spend $3 billion on bonds offering

23:12

0% here's your answer so hopefully this

23:15

is a useful look into what the heck is

23:17

going on at micro strategy if you found

23:19

this helpful subscribe to the channel

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actually pay Y and uh subscribe to the

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channel thanks so much for watching bye

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