DOGE *Collapses* D.C. Housing Market | The Facts.
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Washington DC home prices absolutely
collapsing because doge is going in
firing any worker they can get their
hands on here on this chart you could
see an 8.6% decline in real estate
prices in Washington DC since well I
mean it is a year-over-year comparison
but if you look at what the kesi letter
says they say since Doge began its
layoffs take a look at this folks as a
real estate broker and well the CEO of a
real estate company what kind of
insights can we actually glean from the
data to suggest is this because of Doge
or real estate values collapsing in the
DC area because of the Department of
governmental efficiency going in
potentially laying off as many workers
as they get their hands on especially
with Donald Trump's resignation offer
which 75,000 federal workers have
reportedly according to the Wall Street
Journal accepted remember that
resignation offer allows you to quote
resign from your federal job where you
typically a federal worker protections
that don't allow you to get fired once
you're pass your probationary period so
instead Donald Trump offered those
workers the opportunity to resign get
pay between now through September for
doing no work and meanwhile you can go
find a different job or whatever if
you'd like all you have to do is resign
75,000 accepted and now potentially up
to 200,000 federal workers on probation
have been
fired it's because while you're on
probation you can still get fired that
potentially
includes
Ariel Ariel Kane here hey Elon Musk your
Doge minions just fired me in my col
colleagues at cmmi we were working on
improving maternal Health outcomes at a
lower cost so less pregnant women would
die each year in this country I think
that's that's fewer anyway uh I thought
that would fit nicely into your
agenda the admin told the media
yesterday that the Health and Human
Services Cuts were targeted and didn't
include scientists or people working on
Medicare or Medicare
well I know of scientists who got fired
and I work on Medicaid just wanted to
point out when you get things wrong like
you
requested of course there's a big
discussion and commentary uh in here
about oh well you know what
organizations were you supporting or you
don't fit into elon's agenda and blah
blah blah blah all those debates we
don't really have to get involved in
right now what we need to talk about is
are these layoffs in DC leading to a
real estate collapse
well one thing we know with certainty is
that when people lose their jobs and
they need to relocate because they're
priced out of an area yes the likelihood
is that you're going to have to move
however we are also coming off of the
backs of what I like to refer to as the
covid bubble this is where we have a lot
of people relocate from places like
California to Texas or Florida we've
actually seen a decline in real estate
values in a lot of areas of the country
as part of a downward Trend and parts of
the country have actually been on an
upward Trend since Co in fact I've been
calling this the covid reversal quite
frankly since covid if you know and
you've been following me for years you
know that when I started my company my
real estate company uh in 2022 we said
we're going to buy in the opposite of
the covid reversal markets so when we
started this company everybody was still
flocking to Austin Texas and Florida uh
under this impression that oh uh you
know everybody's going there it's easy
to build there but we know in real
estate that when you overbuild in an
area and you don't have this continued
Catalyst to bring people into an area
you end up with an over Supply after
accelerating new construction and the
prices come down and that's actually
exactly what's happened in many parts of
the country so we prefer to invest in
the areas people were quote unquote
fleeing from like California and what's
fascinating is it's worth comparing the
DC market and what's going on with quote
unquote doge is Doge leading to this
real estate price collapse what's
actually been happening with a broader
Trend because this is going to give us
an understanding of what's actually
happening in the real estate market so
watch this first of all this is the uh
Doge chart where essentially the the
thesis is okay Doge took over uh and uh
prices started declining since Doge took
over what you really have to know is
when you're looking at a uh a real
estate chart uh for for sort of pricing
pricing fluctuates a l lot on a
month-over-month
basis and that's because real estate is
so diverse real estate trades on a
median basis that is when we look at
these charts we use a median basis not
an average basis but that median shifts
a lot and the reason it shifts a lot is
because you have a different mix of
properties you have condos co-ops Town
Homes single families and they trade all
over the Spectrum and when you only have
about 400 to 500 homes trading in a
single month you don't actually have
that much data so the midpoint which is
what the median measures not the average
right that midpoint can actually
fluctuate a lot based on if you have you
know 50 more high-end home sales and for
some reason you didn't have a lot of
condo sales that median can move up and
down a lot so I actually think looking
at some of the year-over-year data to
look at those month comparisons
year-over-year is a mistake you need
something a lot smoother than that to
really understand what a long term trend
is and this is why I bring up the covid
reversal now it's interesting for DC
it's a little harder to piece in there
but let's look at some of the longer
term Trends to really see what's going
on and then then we'll know what's going
on with real
estate all right here we go so on this
chart which is the same one that KC
letter compared to what we can actually
do is rather than use these fluctuations
which don't really tell us much about
what's going on in the market we
actually zoom out not just to the
threeyear but we we could zoom out to
the fiveyear and if you look at the
fiveyear uh and sort of draw a little
range around it you can see we've been
bouncing around all over the place the
lower end of the range we have hit uh
once at the beginning of 2020 once now
uh and once in
2023 and the upper end of the range uh
We've hit a few times we hit at the end
of 2021 a lot of euphoria there end of
2022 uh and then recently in the spring
of 2024 here we've hit the upper end of
the range so this range you can see
fluctuates by about
$120,000 this is an extreme fluctuation
and valuation for Real Estate uh given
that you know median sales price of
$560,000 you know that's like a 20%
swing top to bottom but this is not what
we value real estate on these swings and
again usually it's just a shift of the
median it's not actually a
representation of what's going on with
real estate values to really understand
what's going on with real estate values
you have to zoom out
and so for DC I would argue that the DC
Market has actually been relatively flat
since Co it hasn't significantly
benefited from a you know people moving
there because of some kind of covid boom
and it hasn't benefited from a covid
reversal that is people moving to the
higher cost of living areas like
California now if I type in something
like uh Tampa Florida which was a
recipient of the co boom even Cathy
would ended up moving there we throw in
Tampa Florida recipient of the co boom
uh you can actually see how that covid
boom moved housing valuations uh in
Tampa from a median of about 263 to a
consistent pattern of growth uh to where
you actually got from 263 to like the
mid fours there for a while up to
500,000 in June of 2024 and really only
since this peak in the June of 2024 have
you really started seeing this slowdown
in prices again in Tampa so Tampa's
actually been this steady grower and and
benef officiary of uh the co boom if you
will let's try Austin Texas which is a
market that I believe slowed down a
little sooner than Tampa yeah look at
this much sooner actually than Tampa
Austin is this blue line here you can
see blue uh the Blue Line actually went
from a median of 383 peaked out over
here in May of 2022 and it actually
declined Texas declined from there
median of
666,000 oh the devil's number oh Diablo
uh 383 to 666 straight down now to four
uh sorry to Let's uh get that correct
here 666 straight down to about 516 516
from Peak uh represents a decline of
about 23% so Austin's been in this sort
of reversal for much much longer in
terms of declines and you can see DC is
mostly flat in this period now what's an
area that's basically gone straight up
with no sign of a Slowdown yet well uh
it's going to be an area where house
haak is heavily invested San Diego we're
heavily invested in San Diego uh but you
could really look at various different
markets as well you could look at
Ventura County as well uh and and when
you look at California what's so unique
about California is that uh in
California usually people hear Cali and
they're like oh my gosh fire risk and uh
you know unaffordability or political
risk or whatever but see people forget
that the reason California real estate
is so valuable and quite frankly the
fires reduce Supply
right that means existing home values
probably go up even more this is why
California is outperforming all of these
markets but then again you know I've
been doing real estate now for 15 16
years this is my bread and butter this
this is what I'm good at you can look at
my YouTube channel from eight years ago
all we do just real estate real estate
real estate real estate
videos we we knew that this was likely
to happen and it's why we deployed over
what 98% of our capital in California
markets we knew that this was likely to
happen because of California politics
and this blows people's mind but when I
uh had a seminar just this summer uh I
had a seminar in uh Vegas we invited
Kathy Wood she was there you know a lot
of other folks were there uh it was
quite enjoyable to to to have a
wonderful event and everybody got to uh
uh share their opinions and experiences
on the market but one question that came
up during our real estate segment was
Kevin why is it that you would want to
buy in California in California you have
to deal with all the
politicians and my response was the
benefit of all of the politicians and
the politics of California real estate
is that there's so slow growth and
they're so they make it so hard to build
that they don't actually realize that
the politics themselves in California
are actually a tool for keeping property
values higher see the more the extreme
politics of California restrict building
and make it hard to build in
California the higher your property
values go because jobs are in California
California has the Southern California
coastline real estate some of the best
climate in the world so you got jobs you
got climate yeah you've got some other
issues but ironically the same politics
that people hate on are the reason why
home values actually just keep going up
in Southern
California the liberal policies
themselves make it harder to add Supply
and they give you a hedge so think about
this you buy a home in Texas and then
all of a sudden everybody else is
Building Homes because there's no delay
to Building Homes the government's not
in your way the value of your home
actually goes down because there are
plenty of available substitutes you
don't actually have that in California
kind of fascinating so it's something to
pay attention to when you're thinking
about investing in real estate first
thing that you have to know is we really
have to zoom out on the trends you have
to look at a longer term and ideally you
want to get a moving average of the
trend here uh so redin does not allow us
to do that here but if you actually type
in redin data center you'll be able to
so go redin data center uh and if you
grab their housing market data here
you'll be able to get 12 and 4 week
moving averages and this is going to
make it a lot easier to understand is
that DC Market truly crashing or is this
just sort of like a three-year
flatlining so we're going to look at DC
and we're going to go to uh median sales
price right here and uh here you could
see uh sort of a a little bit of a
better POV on pricing so right now
median sales pricing in the DC area 2025
is the green line this right here is
your year-over-year changes uh so look
right here at the green line you'll
actually notice that when you look at
the year-over-year numbers here on a
trend of 4 weeks home values in DC
aren't crashing they're actually up 2%
year-over-year the same website Redfin
providing you two different sets of data
why well it's because look you had your
high sales Clos in November and your low
sales are now closing in December and
January these month-over-month
fluctuations are impossible to
understand a trend line on don't don't
do this in real estate this is real
estate is not the stock market it moves
a lot slower you have to use an average
go to the 12we
there you go on the 12we moving average
home prices are 3% higher they're higher
than any of these years prior now does
that mean that you know the layoffs
leading to potential sales are wrong no
not necessarily I mean here are
unemployment claims in Washington DC you
could see they're Rising but they're
nowhere near the unemployment claims
that we saw in 2022 or during covid
those are actually cut off probably
because if you showed this whole chart
it would be so high
that this would be look like a joke this
would look like a little fluctuation who
cares so this idea that oh layoffs are
being filed in February of 2025 and
therefore home prices are collapsing in
DC look that's a popular thing to say
you could get a lot of likes and
engagement and tweets and and you know
reshares or whatever going yep
everything's going to crap look at that
real estate's crashing thanks to Elon
Musk in Washington DC look I've got no
real estate in DC I don't really care it
doesn't matter I'm just looking at the
data you can't look at this
month-over-month fluctuation because as
soon as you turn on the moving average
using the same median sales price stat
you actually do not see the data that
you're getting on those monthly
fluctuations so sorry
kesi maybe yall just don't know real
estate or you're looking for some kind
of Engagement farming but this is fully
false the facts don't support what
you're saying now In fairness we do have
active listings at the same place but
price drops are higher not by much
they're higher than the uh 2024 year
right so year-over year they're higher
but you only have 4% more price drops on
the 12we now if you go to four we this
might be a little bit more extreme uh
yep there you go you're 9% over 2023 uh
sorry 0.9% over 2024 and a little bit
over 2023 here so you're getting a
little bit of an increase in price drops
here but you generally do at the
beginning of the year I'm not saying
that prices aren't going to go down uh
you know I'm not trying to take away
that that hope from folks just saying
when we look at the data it's too early
to say uh that you know there's any
actual meaningful impact uh that doge is
having on the real estate market uh now
if you look at uh months of Supply even
months of Supply is stable which this
this is nice this is a good tool to look
at because it actually accounts for how
many buyers you have in an active Market
obviously there are still people
buying uh and uh the number of homes
sold
so far is actually still exceeding 23
and 24 though well below what you saw in
2022 uh and then new listings new
listings are barely above or out of
bound of what you saw in 24 and 3 this
is on the four-week moving average you
know you go to the the 12we it it it's
almost indistinguishable from the prior
years in terms of how many new homes
you're seeing come on the market or how
many homes are selling now look our
interest rates still really high yes is
it unaffordable to buy yes would it make
sense that some people who get laid off
have to end up selling their homes and
moving yes but that could just unlock
inventory for other people who were
moving in to buy so it's too soon to
tell the best way if you really want to
know what's going on with pricing is get
on the ground fly to the area go to open
houses talk to Realtors understand
what's happening on the ground that is
the only way you can know sitting behind
a computer chair you know some kind of
desk I guess you're sitting on a
computer chair behind ask but anyway
it's not the way to understand the real
estate market so when we at house Haack
were able to time the peak of the Austin
real estate market was because we were
on the ground not because we were
looking at you know month over month
changes in median sales prices it's this
every single month you can have a new
headline oh my gosh prices are
skyrocketing oh my gosh prices are
collapsing this the wrong thing to do is
bad data it's bad analysis why not
advertise these things that you told us
here I feel like nobody else knows about
this we'll we'll try a little
advertising and see how it goes
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