The Power of Penetration with Cherie DeVille

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today what are some of your favorite

maybe like movies that you've done

specific characters that you've played

that like you really enjoyed

um i've done so many amazing things like

specifically i feel like with brie mills

she writes like the coolest scripts and

even in her ama the other day she was

talking about this movie i did years ago

with her a delicate vice

and i was a hooker

and kenna james was my driver and that

sounds like such a like simple plot but

like it was like i cried

genuinely during the sex scene like

because

the whole movie all of the dialogue like

those three two three however many days

of work

were so emotional the characters were so

connected you know the the everything

was so nuanced like it got to the point

where it felt like beautiful and real to

me so like during the culmination of the

movie when we had that like sex scene

where she knows like

i'm never gonna really love her but i'm

like

like that's what i like i i like sell it

to me if you sell it to me i will act it

the out because i like

playing pretend like i feel like that's

part of the reason that i'm in this

whole job like

glam me up give me the fantasy let me

play another role let me wear crazy

clothes i would never wear like

i love

to role play

in this safe space

you know and and

i'm like a neurotic virgo

so there's not a lot of places that i

really feel like good and safe like i

did a lot of swinging before porn but

like i would have never done a gang bang

at the swingers club like i would have

never felt

truly safe to do a lot of those things i

would have never like spent three days

getting into character with someone to

the point where i could cry during sex

but like that's beautiful to me

you know so the fact that porn can like

bring me all of this like erotic

pleasure in this like huge

variety of like experiences and for my

neurotic like safety rule following self

to feel really at home is like really

fun it's like it's like a shari

playground honestly like this pretty

person saying this crazy doing this

thing and i get to dress like this with

pro hair and makeup like

yeah

so what you just said goes against the

narrative that so many people buy into

about the porn industry

and so many people who've been in the

porn industry for a long time have said

like this is a place where i can safely

act out my fantasies like a hundred

percent but most people see the porn

industry as a very unsafe place to be

and they think that you know people on

set are always being abused and

manipulated and exploited so

what is it about porn that makes you

feel like it's a safe space for you

i mean porn just

is objectively safe you know we have

testing we have onset liaisons making

sure you're safe we have a huge crew

making sure you're safe you have safe

words you have well i have you know i'm

an adult with a strong sense of like

control and autonomy so i feel very

comfortable saying no

you know all these things make me feel

super safe all the talent you know even

in and i think in person work is

fantastic and beautiful but you know

there's a power discrepancy like the

person the the provider is getting paid

the other person is paying so you know

the provider has the power

um i like that i'm getting paid and my

co-stars getting paid like we're on the

same plane

uh all of those things make me feel

super super safe

as for why the public thinks it's unsafe

um i don't think that that's based in

reality at all

i have so many different theories but

like what i kind of come back to

is that

i wonder

what people love to on us

people love to to white knight us people

love to think we need saving

and i feel like a lot of that actually

feeds into people's erotic fantasies of

us

and i feel like especially men

i wonder how they would feel

if they really accepted that we are

autonomous

powerful

and completely joyously in control of

our professions

i think there is part of the dialogue

that society

puts on us

that that is like part of the sexual

sexualization process almost you know

what i mean like objectified nothing

worthless only job we could get like i

wonder if there's something in that that

makes us feel safe to them

you know what i'm not threatening you

mean

non-threatening and just like

like a wife whose husband maybe sees an

in-person service provider can reassure

herself by saying oh she's just a

she's worth she's still she's poor she's

worthless someone whose boyfriend

watches a lot of people right they're

nothing they're

practically not real people if you met

them in person you would hate them

they're all drug out old losers like

decreasing our value like that helps us

feel

safe

i think that means you know because our

industry is and has been safe for a

really long time

so why

is the mainstream dialogue still against

us i think

people feel so shameful about themselves

and so shameful about sex and so

shameful about expressing their sexual

selves to see powerful people doing it

so openly and brazenly like you kind of

got a on that otherwise like what

does that say about you right you know

what i mean like

no that can't be powerful and beautiful

i i can't feel that way

you know sex must be shameful and shitty

yeah and you all it's funny too because

you always see people like specifically

referring to the female talent you never

really hear a lot of people talking

about how like it's the mystery the male

talent oh no no no no the male talent

gets jobs outside of porn easily the

male talent is glorified you know it's

not

and and even if you talk to people that

they couldn't possibly be used they have

penises

right like that's

ridiculous do you think so because you

have a penis straightening down your

legs means that you can't be abused and

my vagina means that i ca like

what kind of misogynistic old-school

crap is that i think that that alone

shows you the dialogue people almost

like need to feel to watch it yeah do

you think that the actual penetration

has something to do with it because you

know a lot of girls i knew for a long

time were girl girl only and that feels

like more acceptable absolutely and then

also um you know there's even like going

even going back to even if we start

talking about like gay sex if we go back

to like you know roman times where where

where emperors had

um you know like their boys that that

they would have sex with it was like

seen as okay back then if you were the

penetrator but if you were on the

receiving end that was like

emasculating in some way so do you think

like the penetration has something to do

with that power dynamic it probably does

because i think a lot of um femdom

artists that don't receive penetration

and only provide penetration might not

get this quite the same

vibe but i'm not sure yeah

i don't know if it's

you know like the sex or gender you were

born with i don't know if it i don't

know

and i don't know if it's different in

other countries but it really feels

strong at least in the united states and

even when i transition like you said

from girl girl

to boy girl

i know a lot of people don't make that

transition because they don't want to

decrease the amount of human beings they

can date

because more

men specifically are willing to date you

bizarrely if you're only having sex with

other women that

somehow doesn't feel as

uh i don't know insecure threatening

which

is bizarre because to me that should

feel like more threatening if anything

because like you don't have the same

equipment you can't compete but

our society has

sexualized female female relationships

so much

that they almost feel hot

and not threatening which is up

in itself yeah because it's like almost

every boyfriend is okay with you having

sex with another girl but not another

man like if it's a threesome that your

guy wants like he wants another woman in

there he doesn't want another man a lot

of times yeah

i i wonder for the new generation that i

hope to god that's changing for them

because these gender roles are stifling

yeah to be honest they really are really

i didn't really think about that so much

until i started doing this podcast i

have to admit i had a lot of like

misconceptions about like what was

emasculating for men and everything

until i started talking to people like

michael vegas

you know who likes to be pegged but like

nobody i don't think anyone would say

like michael's an

unmasculine man whatever that even means

men's g-spots are in their ass women's

g-spots are not in their ass

why doesn't every man want to be pegged

i think it's because we've said a lot

like most men would love to have anal

sex with their girlfriend and would love

for them to love that

i think a huge reason that a lot of men

don't explore their prostate like a huge

pleasure zone is because we've told them

that it's emasculating yeah that's

terrible yeah that's so true

so many more women have anal sex and we

do not have a g-spot in our ass than men

like that doesn't make any phys

physiological sense that is crazy that

is pure society yeah yeah absolutely

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