Supreme Court to FLIP the Economy | ENDING TARIFFS
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not great for the president. Uh there
was at least the suggestion that the
court was prepared to strike down both
Donald Trump's uh reciprocal tariffs,
the ones that are dealing with the the
trade deficit and some more targeted
ones that are designed to counter
fentanyl trafficking out of out of a few
fentanyl trafficking out of a few
countries including China. Um it's it's
possible we would see a split decision
and some tariffs will be upheld, others
struck down, but the overall tone of the
argument suggested that Trump was going
to lose on at least some things.
>> The US Supreme Court is about to rule on
Donald Trump's tariffs, and they come at
a critical time for the US economy. This
could be the difference between a
recession or a soft and smooth landing
and a recovery from where we are right
now because we are at a critical
junction point with the labor market and
the Supreme Court's ruling on tariffs
could change absolutely everything.
Obviously, what's at stake here and what
we're going to talk about are very
clearly the AIPA tariffs. Those are the
Emergency
Economic Powers Act tariffs. These allow
Donald Trump to issue reciprocal
tariffs. Now, of course, we know there
are other opportunities to issue tariffs
such as section 232 tariffs or section
301 or even 338 tariffs. However, 338
tariffs haven't been used in almost 100
years. 301 and 232 tariffs can be used,
but they're harder to apply broadly.
See, with AIPA tariffs, Donald Trump can
issue an executive order and go, "We're
doing tariffs." Yo. But lawsuits,
specifically the two main lawsuits,
along with now as many as a thousand
more lawsuits against the United States,
the two main lawsuits being Learning
Resources versus Trump, not to be
confused with Learing, uh, and of
course, VOS Selections v. Trump. Both of
those cases are in front of the Supreme
Court. And we've got to talk about the
impact that those cases could have. And
then of course, why are there upwards of
a thousand other cases going on against
Donald Trump's now regarding these
tariff lawsuits? Spoiler alert,
everybody's kind of expecting Donald
Trump's tariffs to uh get kicked out.
And uh after they get kicked out, they
want to stand to collect money or
refunds. Hence why Bloomberg says more
than a thousand companies are suing
Trump over his tariffs. But first,
before we go through what's likely to
happen with the Supreme Court and the
Supreme Court calendar and how the
Supreme Court is likely to rule and why,
I personally think it's really important
to analyze where we stand with the
economy today based on data that we've
gotten within the last 3 days. And there
is a lot of it. Look, here's the bottom
line. When we look at our Jolts report,
it tells us that while the labor market
is weak and job openings came in lower
than expected, we're still not seeing
big layoffs or big discharges, at least
not yet through November. Now, yes,
companies are laying off. But when we
look at the challenger jobs reports, we
can actually see that we're at the
lowest level of job cuts since July of
2024. and companies actually have the
best hiring intentions since 2022.
Now, this is a really great report and
combined with Jolts, it's actually not
that bad. Yes, some people are losing
jobs to automation. This is why Symbotic
stock has been a killer. We've been
promoting and pitching that stock for
quite a while. Not talking my own book
here, just saying it's been one that
we've been analyzing since like $18 in
the course member livereams, which you
can be a member of all the time over at
mekevin.com. But job cuts falling to the
lowest level in 17 months. This is good.
We're seeing fewer job cuts and this is
overall bullish with closing out the
year at the lowest level of announced
layoff plans. Now, that doesn't mean
everything is great. We have an average
employment level sitting around 20,000
jobs per month right now on the ADP
report level and about 30 to 40,000 on
the BLS jobs report level. Jerome Powell
of the Federal Reserve says we should
minus about 60,000 from those numbers.
And that's why we should be cutting.
Myin over the Federal Reserve suggests
we should be cutting as much as 150
basis points this year. That would be
essentially well if I take 150 divided
by 25 that would be six rate cuts.
Markets are really only pricing in about
two rate cuts. Waller who's applying for
the Fed chair job as well is now saying
he's open to as many as four rate cuts.
But still the rate cut for January 28th
with these CBO numbers on GDP at 2.2% 2%
for 2026 and these recent numbers on
jobs not good enough to justify rate
cuts. So the odds of getting a rate cut
on my birthday, January 28th, are only
about 15%. Now, a lot has to do with the
jobs report that's still coming out
tomorrow, but that's still going to be
looking into the past a little bit.
Tomorrow's jobs report, which comes out
at 5:30 a.m. on January 9th at 5:30 a.m.
I'll be covering it. That's California
time. We expect 70,000 jobs. Now, 70,000
jobs is decent, but if you minus out 60,
you're still below break even, which is
probably somewhere around 20, where the
unemployment rate doesn't rise or fall.
And we're going to have to pay attention
to that unemployment or rather I should
say the labor force participation rate
because the participation rate can
actually say that oh look we created
70,000 jobs but if the participation
rate goes up the unemployment rate could
skyrocket and that leads algorithms in
the stock market to get a little bit
nervous which is I think why we're
seeing some nervousness before this jobs
report when we look at broader indices
like the Q's. The Q's have really been
on this downward wedge pattern. Now this
is the NASDAQ 100. if you're not
familiar with it. And I personally don't
encourage people to invest in QQQ
directly. If you're going to do that,
get QQQM. It'll save you some money. But
we can see this consolidating wedge
here. And honestly, this wedge is
suggesting that people are relatively
fully allocated. And on a technical
basis, things don't look good on a
technicals basis right now. In fact,
this technical wedge suggests that we
could get choked all the way back down
to 577 in a little bit of a correction.
the jobs report tomorrow and the ruling
by the Supreme Court should help us
determine is it a buy the dip
opportunity should we get that dip now
I'm buying dips and actually some stocks
are just like surging in this my top 10
stocks to buy list which is crazy one of
the stocks that we've been we talked
more about this morning in the course
member live stream is up like 28% in the
last week and I'm like bro I want to buy
more but it keeps going up too fast but
anyway really enthused by this one but
anyway what's important here is
understanding the economy is at a
precipice. We have some data that says
things are good. We have Jerome Powell
downplaying that data and then we have
survey data that isn't that great on a
leading basis. Take a look at the survey
data. If you look at the SNP survey
data, we actually say that resilience of
the US economy showing signs of
cracking. New business placed at service
providers showed the smallest rise in 20
months. and that surveys are signaling
the weakest economic expansion since
April. And at least based on this
survey, which is a little bit more of a
leading tell into the beginning of
January, the number of companies cutting
headcounts has now started to exceed
those reporting higher employment. So
Jolts, Challenger, and BLS jobs data,
they're either all looking backwards or
they're rigged where the survey data is
a little bit more cautious. They're
like, "Hey, on services, [snorts] you
know, we've we actually have some
serious problems that may not be so
great." But it's not just services. If
you go over to manufacturing, you could
see some issues in manufacturing as
well. When we look at the SNP and the
ISM reads for manufacturing, we see that
both of them tell us a very similar
story. Both of them are telling us we
are seeing cracks in the market because
new orders are falling. In fact, if you
look closely at the ISM manufacturing
data, they go as far as saying the
recent activity that we've seen in the
economy is actually just a short-term
bubble of improvement. That in December,
US manufacturing activity contracted at
a faster rate with pullbacks in
production and inventories leading the
index down. It's not just ISM though. It
was also S&P suggesting the same exact
thing. When we look at the S&P
manufacturing data, you can see it right
here. You see that we're bullish jobs,
but we actually might be in a wy coyote
scenario where we think everything is
good and we are a cartoon character
continuing to run despite the fact that
we've now chased the Roadrunner off a
cliff. That factories are producing
goods with the jobs that they've
created. But we're now seeing a drop in
orders, the widest drop since the height
of 2008 and 2009.
And as time goes on, payroll numbers
will be adversely impacted unless we can
recover from this manufacturing dump
that we're in right now. Remember, it
wasn't just manufacturing, it was also
services. So obviously the stakes at the
of the economy are very high. We're at a
turning point. Take a look at this. the
probability of finding a job in the next
three months according to the New York
Fed. The lowest odds that people are
giving in Fed surveys since well
basically ever on this chart because I
drew this little red line across. We've
never been this low in terms of people's
optimism for their ability to find a job
and instead people are pessimistic about
their debts, debt delinquency
expectations, the probability of not
being able to make your minimum payment
over the next 3 months. highest levels
that we've seen since 2020 and 2013. We
know that the economy is at a turning
point in my opinion. This is my personal
opinion, then we'll hit the facts again.
eliminating the AIPA tariffs and
destroying the president's ability to
unilaterally impose inflationary tariffs
on American consumers and American
companies obviously in addition to
foreign countries will not only lower
inflation but increase growth, increase
hiring and lower long-term rates. That's
my opinion. That's why I think these are
critical to solve the hiring or lack of
hiring and lack of new orders that we're
seeing in the economy now. Now, you
might not agree with my opinion, so
let's go into the facts on the court.
Here's the scoop. Right now, the Supreme
Court is reviewing the AIPA tariffs.
These are the International Emergency
Economic Powers Act tariffs. These are
really unique tariffs that the
International Court of Trade has already
or the Court of International Trade,
it's called CIT, has already decided
that both trafficking and reciprocal
tariffs, i.e. AIPA terrace exceed the
president's power. They already ruled
that on May 28th. The federal circuit or
the court of appeals upheld the CIT
ruling on August 29th. But on a 7 to4
decision, they benched their decision.
Basically saying, don't worry, you can
keep doing your tariffs until the
Supreme Court gets involved. The Supreme
Court on November 5th heard arguments,
but the Supreme Court does not make a
decision right after hearing arguments.
The Supreme Court's calendar starts in
the third quarter and it goes all the
way until June 30th. Usually the Supreme
Court in October, November, December
hears arguments and then they sit,
deliberate, and think about their
rulings. Those rulings typically don't
come out until May, June, or sometimes
you see them a little bit earlier,
especially if they have been filed under
an emergency appeal to the Supreme
Court. These lawsuits against Donald
Trump to decide the fate of the AIPARS
have been filed under an emergency
process. The Supreme Court has also just
set an opinion date for Friday, uh,
January 9th at 7:00 a.m. California time
to announce some form of a decision.
Now, it's not unusual for the Supreme
Court to do this. The Supreme Court
historically, like long time ago, has
generally made rulings on Mondays and
then they would release rulings
sometimes on uh, you'll see it on
Tuesdays and Wednesdays. they sort of
trickled them out. That has changed over
the last few years. Over the last few
years, we've seen a little bit more of a
shift where sometimes these rulings are
coming out on Thursdays and Fridays, and
you're really seeing a lot more of a
category result for when you're actually
getting these rulings. So, seeing a
Friday ruling isn't necessarily a big
surprise. It's pretty consistent with
what we've seen over the last couple
years. But this pre-announced Friday 7
a.m. deadline has a lot of people
thinking, "Huh, I think the Supreme
Court's about to overthrow Donald
Trump's AIPA tariffs, which is leading a
lot of traders, at least over the last 5
days here, to rush into stocks like
Restoration Hardware because they
believe that these stocks will be
massive beneficiaries of the repeal of
AIPA tariffs or basically the
invalidation of Donald Trump's
opportunity to use these." basically
saying that if the president wants to
use extraordinary action uh via
declaring a national emergency, he could
do a lot of things, but he won't be able
to issue tariffs. Instead, the president
will have to go to Congress to do that.
And that's exactly where the debate lies
on these AIPA tariffs. See, AIPA tariffs
are so useful for Donald Trump because
you can instantaneously apply them with
a simple executive order. I'm declaring
an emergency and I'm declaring the
tariffs. However, the big problem with
this and this is why the AIPA tariffs
are likely to be struck down, which then
raises the question of what happens
next. But why I expect the AIPA tariffs
to actually be struck down has first to
do with the major questions doctrine. on
major questions of vast economic or
political significance, Congress
specifically and clearly must provide
the power to do something to the
president. That has been done through
section 232 tariffs, those we've seen
through the Trade Expansion Act of 1962.
Those are like your steel and aluminum
tariffs or commodity tariffs. You can
make the argument for the 301 tariffs on
chips or, you know, Chinese phones or
consumer goods or whatever. You can make
arguments for those, but these
reciprocal or universal tariffs are not
clearly designated in the AIPA law. And
when something is not clearly designated
by Congress, the power rests with
Congress, not the presidency. And this
is where it is very important to start
looking at, well, what are Supreme Court
justices starting to say? What have they
said during hearings? So far what we've
seen is John Roberts, Gorsuch, Jackson,
Kagan, Sodtomayor, and Barrett all seem
skeptical that the do that Donald Trump
is able to use these tariffs. This
suggests that you might have a 63
decision given that those are six people
skeptical that Donald Trump is, you
know, not over that he may be
overstepping his bounce here. And that's
exactly what the Supreme Court is
deathly afraid of. They don't want to
allow what they consider a one-way
ratchet. Like, think about having a box
and, you know, you put the strap on it,
you ratchet it down, you know, you check
the tension on it. Once you ratchet,
click, okay, we're going to allow the
president to impose AIPA tariffs, you're
never going to loosen that box. In fact,
that is exactly what the Supreme Court
said. On balance, the court overall
appeared skeptical about the broad scope
of the government's claim to regulate
importation via IEPa. There are
mechanisms such as 232 and 338 that do
have restrictions and constraints, which
again is why Donald Trump doesn't like
those sections as much as the AIPAS.
Gorsuch himself says that we have a
one-way ratchet here that would transfer
taxing power to the president that
Congress cannot practically get back.
This to me sounds pretty bad for Trump
expecting a win on these tariffs. I
don't actually think people are
expecting a win on these tariffs and
that's why a thousand different lawsuits
have been filed to go collect their
money back which is expected to be
somewhere around $160 billion.
But markets broadly aren't going to so
much worry about these $ 160 billion in
my opinion. These are the lawsuits that
have been filed. Liberation Day tariffs
announced court of an international
trade was over here. Appeals court
tosses the tariffs over here. This is
the uh uh the federal appeals court
circuit supreme court. Here's the
arguments. And again now we stand these
are all the lawsuits that have been
filed. Notice that after the arguments
all the lawsuits started getting fired
filed because companies are like oh my
gosh the Supreme Court's going to rule
against Donald Trump. Which is actually
really rare. In fact, I have that
written down over here. I saved this
little piece. I'm going to grab it
because it's so rare that the Supreme
Court rules against the president uh in
terms of the people whom he's placed.
Look at this sheet of paper. I saved
this because I think it's so useful.
Alto Gorsuch, Kavanaaugh, they almost
all vote for Donald Trump's policies all
of the time. Trump's second term, Alto
95%, Gorsuch 95%, Kavanaaugh 89%, Thomas
89%, Barrett 79%, Robert 74%. Obviously,
Kagan, so Jackson barely vote for his
policies because they were appointed by
Democrats.
But the point is, this might actually be
one of those times where even the
Republican justices say, "Yeah, bro.
Nine or nine out of 10 times we vote for
you, we can't do it this time." And I
think that's why like this is almost
like a betting market of are the IPA
tariffs going to get kicked out? How
many lawsuits are being filed is showing
you that this is how many companies are
actually spending the money to file a
legal complaint because they actually
think the IPA tariffs are going to get
thrown out. So I broadly expect that as
well. I expect a ruling as soon as
tomorrow at 7 a.m. though it may take
longer. Ultimately, Donald Trump will
try to use other policies and that will
create some uncertainty for markets. A
lot of people are worried that we could
actually get a lot of uncertainty
because these other methods of utilizing
tariffs may not be as cut and dry in
terms of what their impact is going to
be. And I understand that. In fact, if
we go back to the very first chart we
showed, which shows a 100red-year policy
right here that has not been used
before, 338 or hasn't been used since
1930, you're really looking at more 301
or 232 tariffs. The problem with these
is 232 tariffs require the commerce
department, not only do they require the
commerce department to conduct a
feasibility study, which could take up
to 270 days, so basically 9 months, but
they actually invite more APA lawsuits.
Those are administrative procedures acts
basically saying, "Hey, commerce
department, you're like being unfair to
our company or whatever, right? AIPA
tariffs under emergency powers don't
invite as many lawsuits, which I know
sounds ironic to say because now
everybody's piling in, but they're only
piling in because it sounds like the
Supreme Court is about to ban them and
people want their money back. So,
they're kind of betting on the team
that's already winning, right? But
typically, if you lose this,
this is a lot easier to win a lawsuit
in. Uh, and it certainly is a lot
slower. So, Donald Trump's going to get
slowed down a lot. Now, a lot of people
see this as actually creating more
uncertainty for the markets. Oh my gosh,
are we going to get a liberation day
2.0? And of course, this is where people
also argue, well, you know, these
tariffs are regulatory. They're not
revenue raising. I mean, it's fair, too.
And I don't want to sort of labor the
points of revenue raising. uh this this
going to be a debate, but frankly the
justices have already ruled that sure
you might just call them licenses as
opposed to being revenue raising or
taxes, which is what Congress does. But
let's be clear about that. Nowhere in
our documentation for AIPA tariffs are
license fees authorized. In fact, they
specifically say IPA
authorizes licenses but not license
fees, which is really interesting. But
it's worth noting that the arguments for
these AIPA tariffs are really, really
weak. And I think that's why the Supreme
Court, not only because of major
questions or the fact that you're not
going to be able to pull this ratchet
back from Congress or or from the
president if you give it to the
president, the license fees argument and
what we're seeing statistically with the
lawsuits. To me, this is a betting
market saying these AIA tariffs are
dead. And yes, people are going to be
concerned. Oh my gosh, what alternatives
is Trump going to go for? I personally
hope in a bullish scenario as an opinion
that the Supreme Court will just slam
the door shut on other alternatives
like, "Hey, they really narrowly define
what the president can and can't do."
They probably won't do that, though.
That's mostly because we've seen Justice
Kavanaaugh say things like, "Well, if we
have lawsuits under other sections, then
we'll deal with those at that time."
Which means the Supreme Court is more
likely to just kick the can down the
road on answering all of the questions
in total. Now, what does all this mean?
Even if the Supreme Court bans the AIPA
tariffs and then there's some
uncertainty in markets, what does it
mean for our economy? Yes, there is a
risk of a liberation day 2.0, but it's
an election year. And so, I actually
think that will be less likely. I
actually think the overthrowing of the
AIPA tariffs could be one of the most
>> bullish catalyst,
>> bullish catalysts of the entire year
because it means all of that extra
margin compression baggage that
companies have been holding on to
evaporates. Maybe not all of it because
we still have se other sections, but a
substantial majority of those tariffs
evaporate. That is immediately
deflationary. Not only is removing all
this crap immediately deflationary, but
new tariffs are going to take a lot more
time. Trump can't just use an executive
order for the other tariffs, and it will
be very unpopular during midterms.
Donald Trump will be much better off
saying, "Well, I tried. We collected so
much money, but the Supreme Court take
that took that money away from you, but
I'm such a nice guy. I'm still going to
try to get us stimulus checks. Let me
see what I can do. vote for me in
midterms. It's going to delay him
though. It's going to delay him until
after midterms. You're going to have to
vote for both the House and the Senate
in order to get your STEMI check.
Otherwise, I don't think we can do it.
You know, the Supreme Court, they
delayed it. It's their fault. Uh they
made a mistake. And uh and and you
should be upset with them, not with me.
Whatever. Like, Donald Trump will play
his song the way he always plays his
song. It's never going to be Donald
Trump's fault. But folks, this is
gamecher for our economy because it
gives the Federal Reserve the license to
cut cut cut. As the Federal Reserve cut
cuts, we can hopefully rejigger this
soft landing. We can hopefully get that
yield curve to compress. We can
hopefully get rates down, which is going
to be great for mortgage companies and
refinancing. It's going to be great for
the soft landing. And ultimately, it's
bullish for margins at corporations. So
this AIPA tariff decision could change
everything because it would be too
unpopular to go for liberation 2.0 in a
midterms year. Therefore, I could not be
more excited about the likelihood of
these AIPA tariffs getting crushed. Now,
what if we don't get a decision
tomorrow?
That's possible. We might not get a
decision tomorrow. I hope we do. But if
we don't, we might have to wait.
Hopefully, we get a decision in January
or February, given that this was filed
under an expedited process, but as with
everything, there is no guarantee. So,
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