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today the fomc minutes get released for
the February 1st Federal Reserve meeting
there's a lot of concern and
tentativeness that the Federal Reserve
meeting minutes are somehow going to
show some sort of substantially more
aggressive Federal Reserve honestly I
hate to say it but I think that this
Federal Reserve minutes set is complete
nonsense that's because mostly we
already know what Jerome Powell told us
and I'll provide you a rough summary now
but we also know that these minutes came
from before the noisy data that we got
from January noisy and hot jobs data
noisy and hot CPI data noisy and hot PPI
data noisian hot pce data and of course
hot retail sales data and jolt's data
yeah literally every report was pretty
damn hot in January but this meeting
happened before all of those reports so
of course we know just like when things
are trending down one month doesn't make
a trend when things are trending up one
month doesn't make a trend in terms of
reports and maybe the seasonal
adjustments are going to be so hot for
January that hey you know what February
we'll be right back to sort of a hope
for disinflation my belief is things are
going to be very noisy very very
volatile this year long term I expect
substantial disinflation and I just hope
the Federal Reserve doesn't overdo their
hiking but today people are going to be
looking for clues for exactly this what
kind of recognition of the potential
risk of over tightening is the Federal
Reserve providing us that's probably the
biggest red flag that I want to be
looking for in today's fomc minute so if
I sort of had to write down what I was
looking for my number one most important
thing today would be indicators of fear
of over tightening remember Jerome
Powell was the one who originally told
us hey if we over tighten we can always
just loosen again rapidly but then he
quickly followed up with that by saying
ah you know but then again this was
about a month later you know we don't
want to create a tremendous amount of
economic pain and hardship for
individuals as especially amongst those
least able to Bear it in other words
lower income consumers who are already
the ones suffering the most from this
insane inflation that we've been dealing
with now yes their wages have been
rising more but that doesn't help when
literally everything is ridiculously
more expensive especially for the lower
income individuals including food and
rent so my big thing is I want to look
at the risks of over tightening and
potentially the fed's willingness to
overdo it really hurting lower income
consumers the most remember American
Express tells us wealthier people the
ones spending through the recession not
poor people but then again American
Experience generally caters to a higher
income demographic where companies like
synchrony or Citibank or a farm are
generally catering to a lower credit
score and lower credit audience as a
result higher default rates higher
credit loss reserves and really more
concerns that uh oh maybe we're not
actually being compensated enough for
the risk we're taking that's leading to
a tightening of lending standards and
even what you saw at a firm the buy now
later company that obviously generally
appeals to a lower income demographic
uh buy now pay later company a firm
suggesting that hey we need to raise how
much we're charging for these loans
because we want to operate a profitable
company and we're realizing oh we're
starting to lose too much money on these
loans this is a problem so what did the
Federal Reserve have to say about the uh
uh you know sort of in their last
meeting and what could we expect as a
preview today well I want you to
remember what the Federal Reserve
started by talking with Jerome Powell
came out and said the following quote
the full effect of our actions are yet
to be felt even so yes there still is
more work to be done so what he's
telling us is very clearly the FED is
acutely aware that there is a lag some
form of lag we don't know what that is
is it three months six months 18 months
who knows to their monetary policy and
so yes there's still work to do to get
inflation down but how much of that can
just occur by us holding or being closer
to potentially pausing or right now
what's most likely in most priced in is
that we're just looking at 25 BP hikes
so we go 25 in March we go 25 in may we
go 25 in June if we need to we just beat
data dependent and patient but the
biggest thing for me today is again how
willing is the Federal Reserve to ruin
the lives of poor people that is your
biggest tell Jerome Powell in the last
meeting told us that higher mortgage
rates continue to a weekend housing
weakening housing in my opinion is
actually one of their big goals housing
weakening is great for the FED because
you're basically just taking away from
richer people
biggest tenants are substantially poor
like 20x poor than homeowners generally
on average so let's take away from rich
people by crushing housing I personally
believe the FED doesn't care so much
about crushing the stock market they
want yields to be up and so far they've
actually been engineering this perfectly
yields 10-year yields for example while
it went down to about 3.39 for a hot
minute but popped right back to 3.94
we're almost we're knocking on the door
of nearly four percent on the 10-year
right now it's insane you look at the
two-year I mean some of the numbers
you're getting right now are knocking on
the door five percent it's crazy
Financial conditions are very very tight
and if if the housing market can solve
it that should drag everything else down
not so true as Princeton Economist
Robert Schiller has told us for the
stock market now keep this in mind drum
Powell does realize that yes there's
some signs of wage growth easing but
we're still out of balance job vacancies
are very high so we know that he gave us
that heads up but he says despite job
making sees being high and even after
the hot jobs report came out Jerome
Powell's response was hey you know what
Financial conditions already responded
and tightened that doesn't necessarily
mean we have to do more that's what he
said in an interview uh with um Mr uh
Ruben Dave Rubin the day after the jobs
report it was fantastic uh so really in
my opinion I'm just expecting a
reiteration of just hey look we're going
to keep it slow and steady 25s 25 25-25s
we don't want to cause unnecessary
hardship any kind of indication like
that to me is is somewhat bullish and I
like to say somewhat bullish because I
think we've already tightened
potentially too much
um but uh but anyway uh Jerome Powell
also and it's fascinating to go back to
my notes I love going back to my notes
because you pick up things differently
than you do the first time around but um
you know he talks about this idea that
our policy should reflect Financial
conditions which in his words quote have
already tightened significantly now
their belief is that they still need to
raise a little bit to get policy rates
to be somewhat in line with those
financial conditions that's pretty clear
but we don't got to go too far because
remember there is that dual mandate uh
and so of course regarding the terminal
rate they haven't decided yet for March
and may that's fine we expect to see a
reiteration of that because we're going
to get a whole nother set of data in
March here uh now the other thing is
this is probably the biggest thing for
the Federal Reserve is they say it's
very difficult to know if we've done too
little and they're very cautious about
prematurely loosening and so this is
fair I do think when Jerome Powell tells
us the disinflation process has started
and M2 money supply is falling and wage
growth indicators and the the Embers of
inflation are showing that they're going
away I do think it's clear we're going
to have higher rates for much longer but
I do think we're leaning towards that
pause pretty soon now that's not to be
confused with a Fed pivot right the
fed's certainly not going to cut rates
until we actually see confirmation that
inflation is falling and remember every
time I bring up the pivot it's important
to remember the famous words this time
is different the most
famous dangerous forwards uh in
investing however
the reality is If the Fed actually Cuts
rates this time around they're doing so
because their convinced inflation is
basically going away right uh and
they've potentially just gone too far
but anyway big thing uh for the Federal
Reserve on on their forecast is hey look
still some work to do but we want to be
very very careful that we're not
unnecessarily crushing jobs and Jerome
Powell told us about the wage price
spiral that looked so far so far any
fears of a wage price spiral are
actually becoming less Salient that
there's less evidence in the surveys
they're doing and the monitoring that
they're doing uh that there are the
conditions for a wage price spiral are
actually present instead we see a drum
Powell who says look we see Goods
deflation we see housing deflation and
then we're not we're basically neutral
on service inflation that yeah look we
hope he says we hope that the
disinflation process that we've seen in
goods and housing will carry over to the
core Services segment X housing and he
believes that we will see that very soon
that process begin he does say look I'm
neither optimistic nor pessimistic but
his suggestion is look we should see
that disinflation process starts soon so
let's be patient we're as long as we're
not cutting we're potentially not over
tightening right so that's what I expect
is a stable neutral fed in these minutes
that come out today that don't
necessarily give us any cause for alarm
if anything they'll give us cause for
patience and I think that's the most
important thing to have in the market
right now because again that Nike Swoosh
is going to be very very volatile
because there's so much fear or
uncertainty and doubt that pops up
especially around every time the Federal
Reserve farts or says something uh but
but a few big things to really take away
from this number one I don't think
today's minutes really matter that much
because I think the Market's just going
to Discount the fact that that happened
before
uh the release of all the crazy negative
reports that we got however if you're
looking for something bullish look for
potential indicators that the FED fears
over tightening we already know they
fear prematurely loosening that's okay
though the solution to that is easy you
just stay level like you just get to
five and a half percent or five and a
quarter percent or whatever just stay
there and wait uh that's that's the easy
part and we've got potentially three
Cycles but they're like three fed
meetings to do so and that actually
gives us a February data March data
April data May data uh that's four
months of data before the June meeting
which would really take us above uh the
average of of where the Fed was
expecting to go in December got plenty
of time for data so really the big thing
is what can you do to remove this idea
from markets that oh that's it the fed's
gonna somehow all of a sudden uh Paul
volkera so we're gonna get 50 BP hikes
again and we're gonna go back to 100
basis point hikes I don't think they're
trying to send that signal volatility in
fact I personally think that would
actually hurt their credibility that
they would rather stick with the 25s
because they don't want to be seen as
changing their minds too often they want
to be seen as no no this is we're on the
right path remember when drone Powell
came out I think it was uh was it
December I think it was the December
meeting yeah man it's like he suggested
oh yeah the the soft uh CPI reports
we're seeing you know we saw in November
and October oh yeah uh we we expected
those you know it's kind of like okay
they're trying to make it seem like
they're still very much in control and I
think one of the best ways they can do
that is by exhibiting patience but also
by making it clear that they don't want
to cause unnecessary pain that they'd
rather be patient at a certain level
than just getting ridiculous and and
Paul volckering us when it's not
necessary now of course and I think they
can massage these minutes after the fact
the one place the sort of the other
place that I would be looking is are
they trying to massage any kind of
messaging about inflation break evens
that might be a little bit more
concerning giving given that inflation
break evens have been popping up on the
right side though you know even though
we've had this run-up in inflation break
evens mostly on the backs of the January
data you know I'd suppose if there's any
kind of optimistic way to view this you
could you could try to view this
optimistically and say hey look okay
it's noisy but it's still a ballpark
downtrend right or you could even say
Hey you know whatever it's it's stable
look we could just Channel this see look
okay look even the channel trend is
slightly down just wait for some more
disinflationary reports and that goes
away so I think there are ways to talk
that away and the Federal Reserve might
do them but bottom line out of all of
this I'm not terribly bearish on the
fomc minutes today to me honestly the
fact that we have minutes coming out
today is slightly a bit of an eye roller
uh but hey you know what if we could
take anything away including fears of
over tightening I think that would
actually be a a bullish element so we'll
see but anyway those minutes come out at
uh 11 A.M Pacific time so uh buckle up
yeah what will happen if we return to a
75 BP hike no no no no no no like I I
there's no way uh and I mean let me just
put it this way I think you're probably
looking at like a less than one percent
chance that can happen because really I
think the feds in this this mindset of
if we send the signal that we're
changing our minds then they will lose
whatever credibility they have left
because it will send the signal to
markets that things are out of control
uh and that the Federal Reserve is
incapable of doing their job and then
you will literally send a signal to
markets that oh damn uh we're going to
need to get Paul volckert uh and I don't
think that's necessary right now because
the leading indicators are not
suggesting that as we've talked about
with the M2 money supply as we've talked
about with with uh uh you know leading
indicators I I think I don't even think
there's a likelihood of you seeing a 50
BP because again it changes The
credibility of the FED they're they're
kind of thick 25 25 when they pause like
when that pause actually happened
they're going to be willing to stay
there for a while I'm not expecting Cuts
anytime soon and neither is the bond
market anymore originally we were
thinking Cuts maybe at the end of this
year that's been pushed off to next year
and also the idea that of a recession
this year has somewhat been delayed so
uh uh so what if they do a psychological
hike and cut wait what do a psych hike
and see but no no no that's not what the
fed's trying to do like they're not
trying to psychologically you know f
with you uh like they're trying to be
very clear about their messaging and
then do what they say they're going to
do right they don't want to send
volatility because that's how you break
things it's literally how you break
things like the financial markets are
very fragile and what you don't want to
do is start like throwing around Stones
like the fed's kind of walking through a
glass house right now and you don't want
to happen what happened in the United
Kingdom where you break the bond market
and the Federal Reserve has to bail out
markets it's the last thing the FED
wants to do right now because then you
could get your double dip of inflation
or or sort of your your double bump of
inflation and a double dip crash right
so the last thing the FED wants to do is
is like start throwing stones and start
being like a loose cannon here that's
that's not that's not at all remotely
the the indication of of what the
federal reserve's goal is whatsoever I
don't see that at all who knows I could
be wrong at least I'm willing to make it
willing to make a point here and uh
really you know what I think suffers the
most from higher for longer it ain't
stocks folks it ain't stocks stocks will
be I so strongly believe stocks will be
totally fine once we're convinced that
the big problem of a potential Paul
volcker goes away that's the biggest
fear I think markets have I don't even
think markets give a crap about the
potential for a recession or negative
EPS I really don't think that's what
people really care about not at all why
do I not think that well I don't think
that mostly because the fed or markets
care most about these potential
exogenous shocks of getting a Paul
volcker right that that you end up
having to absolutely destroy markets uh
that I think is what the market is most
worried about and most hedging for a
slight recession whatever man okay so
Staples are going to have negative
earnings GDP slightly negative whatever
the Smart Companies will go will just be
investing and using it as an opportunity
to build right my belief could be wrong
but it's my belief so what actually gets
destroyed when in the higher for longer
element real estate housing housing is
where the sh9t show shows up because
that is directly affected by rights
substantially so higher for longer when
you hear that
like it's like when the FED pauses and
we're at the higher for longer level or
even we're doing these nominal 25 BPS
this is a sign the fed's in control
slowly getting the inflation out of the
system things are looking better and
better and better as time goes on like
the trend is going in the right
direction just gonna be patient here
that patience ruins real estate it's
actually good for stocks there's a
reason we're off the lows because the
the fear of of uncontrollable inflation
is going away of course January
reactivated some of those fears but
that's okay we expect that sort of
volatility uh you know Carlos here says
dream on if you believe in two percent
inflation see but your problem is you're
not actually referencing a time frame
here I don't think the Federal Reserve
thinks inflation is going to go to two
percent this year sure that might be a
dream but that's because it takes time
for inflation to fall out of the system
I mean look how long it's taking for
rent inflation to go to work its way
through the system rent inflation's
still going up and we already know the
current data is saying it's plummeting
so it takes a long time for this data to
actually show up such lagging garbage it
sucks but look when are we going to go
back to two percent inflation who cares
it could be 26 27 28 29 doesn't matter
as long as we're trending towards that
I'm a big believer that the that stock
markets can go from hedging for a new
Paul volcker to
of recovery the slow Nike Swoosh
recovery we don't actually have to get
back to two percent remember folks they
could pull hat the the
um uh the the Fate Genie out of the
bottle right flexible average inflation
targeting we could we could literally
have a 10 year cycle folks of inflation
above two percent and a 10-year cycle
before the pandemic of inflation below
two percent and guess what the FED does
oh look the average was 10 or was two
percent over a 20-year period like hello
yeah so so there's uh like this this
this idea that oh yeah we're not gonna
stop until we get two percent man
everybody's forgotten about fate and and
the patience that's possible but again
that patience screws housing so my
belief about housing and this is a very
important one I want you to like you
know this is I really believe this I
believe you are better off not buying
real estate where you think the bottom
is like right here I think you're better
off focusing on real estate when you
have absolute confirmation that you're
not actually double legging down right
so in other words I would rather buy
real estate here than I would buy real
estate here even though that's roughly
the same level I would rather be patient
because I I think that as as long as
these 10 years sit around four percent
we and we might be here with some silly
January and December data and I think
that's what's ahead of you uh and that's
solely looking at the 10-year and what
we're seeing in terms of the potential
for year-over-year fear rents and uh
institutional liquidations so uh anyway
when was it set in stone we needed to be
at two percent well I was actually
really the problem that was the fault of
the FED uh they they uh over the last
three years they've basically massaged
that into markets uh you know back in
the 70s actually the late 80s what am I
saying but after Paul volcker the
Federal Reserve utilized a strategy
known as opportunistic disinflation and
they basically just took their time to
get back down to uh two percent
inflation and that time was somewhere
around 25 years uh to get back down to
uh two percent inflation so it took took
a dramatic amount of time it's really
incredible
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