"THEY EXPERIMENTED ON ME": The Testimonies Of Juliette & Beatrice | EXPOSING Epstein Files Deep Dive

I've interviewed two different Epstein

survivors and what they've told me has

been astounding. As you guys know, in

the last few weeks, all that I think

I've been able to talk about is the

Epstein files. In the last few weeks, we

have seen Epstein's disgusting, dirty

network exposed. We have seen

presidents, current presidents,

ex-presidents, global business leaders,

tycoons, entertainment figures, and so

many more different types of individuals

all wrapped up in Epstein's sphere of

influence. We've also seen extremely

horrific allegations, which I've gone

into on my second channel, The

Conspiracy Files. And at this point,

we've seen documents. We've seen

investigative notes. I've read through

thousands upon thousands of pages of

documents relating to Epstein. I've

practically driven myself crazy

researching all this. But there is a

certain group of people that we haven't

really heard from in the files

themselves, and that is survivors of

Epstein's crimes themselves. Now,

something I want you to keep in mind is

that the DOJ and FBI refuses to bring in

Epstein survivors to interview them.

They don't want to talk to them.

Survivors are practically begging the

FBI/ DOJ to bring them in and interview

them, but they won't. And that's just

one facet of the coverup. You know, on

this channel, we've done some really

in-depth documentaries talking about

these sorts of cover-ups. I mean,

they're institutional. Whether it's the

North Fox Island ring, the Elm Guest

House in London, the Mark Drew ring, all

of these rings and these individuals and

evil people, these so-called

conspiracies around them are being fully

validated by all of these documents and

emails. I mean, I feel like I've been

going crazy for the last few years

talking about these sorts of issues.

And, you know, I've gotten a lot of [ __ ]

for it. A lot of people have called me

crazy or been extremely rude to me. And

yet here we are seeing a modern-day

incarnation of exactly what I've been

talking about being exposed in real

time. We are seeing the fallout. We are

seeing the investigations. We are seeing

the cover up. We're seeing it live. So,

I knew that something that I wanted to

do was speak to survivors of Epstein to

try to allow them to tell their stories

because I've seen so many interviews

with survivors and they're really canned

and they're really they don't really let

these women speak and just talk and they

don't really listen. The interviewers

that I've seen typically when they

interview survivors have an agenda and

they want to ask these certain questions

and they want to get these certain bites

out of people. But that's not how I

operate. As I told both of these

amazing, strong women that you're about

to hear from, I just sit here and

listen. You know, if I have a question,

I'll bring it up. But I really just want

to hear your story. So today, we're

seeing something incredibly special here

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weeks, we're going to be doing some

documentaries exposing individuals like

this and going back into that territory

like we did with the North Fox Island

video and Midnight Productions and Mark

Drew. Yeah, there are some really big

changes coming to the channel soon that

we're going to have to have a little

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interview with is Beatatrice. Beatatrice

is an incredible person and she was

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the United States of America, Donald

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Hi Colleen, thank you so much for your

time and um yes I will find a few words

about me. Um I am a bank employee who

used to participate at Miss Switzland,

Miss Europe and the famous event from

so-called Donald G Trump American Dream

Beauty pageant. That was about it about

patrons and otherwise I um was active in

banking and media and it's not that much

to say about me. Uh I am a very private

person normally but uh this story has

had to be to come out because there are

many victims involved and uh also

because I want to play a role to save

this u uh these lives.

>> Real quick guys before we begin today's

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video's visibility. And I want as many

people in the United States and really

the world as possible to see this

interview because it's highly damning

stuff. It's highly explosive stuff. And

it's only through you guys that these

videos reach more people. So, if you

could just do those really quick things

for me and then continue watching the

video, I would really appreciate it from

the bottom of my heart. But, uh, yeah,

let's get back into it.

There are a few key dates that I would

like to mention so that people have an

idea of the big picture and um it all

started with the Daily Mail article. Uh

it was October 30th in 24 and 3 days

later the Daily Beast brought out the

Michael Vos's audios with Echstein

confirming exactly what I said. Jeffrey

was saying that he was Don's best friend

for all these years. That was the first

big moment. Then the second was uh the

interview in uh The Sun regarding Prince

Andrew. It was on October 4th in 25. And

13 day days later, Prince Andrew has

given up his titles uh Duke of York. So

let that sink in. You know, some people

may say, "Oh, it's a coincidence and so

on and so forth." But I think no, it's

not a coincidence. And uh we are

together today because I think and I

strongly believe that the Epstein saga

it's me and I really mean it. I was the

trigger of something that was kept on

hold for a long time for many people who

knew a lot but who didn't let the story

out. It was kind of a catch and kill.

And when they um read my my interview

and my testimony in the Daily Mail,

that's where many things happened. And I

am glad from one hand uh and one side

because it can help and save many lives.

But I must also honestly say that I

never ever thought that this Pandora box

will contain that much horrific

elements. I am myself also shocked uh by

what is coming out each day. Of course,

it's not everything. There is a lot

coming more. I hope people are ready to

listen and uh I think compared to when

it started a year ago uh today people

want this truth and they want to hear it

and u even though it's horrific they

want to know what is behind this person

uh that is called president of the

United States. I think the truth will

will win one day. It is important that

we we are here now and we talk uh about

all this and we go through all these

elements uh which are key elements which

uh also generated you know the Daily

Mail generated over 150 million views in

no time when it came out uh which means

also a huge impact and on all continents

and almost all languages and I think

today our society is ready. Our society

was not ready in the '9s. It was not

read in the 2000 without mentioning also

the fact that the article in the New

York Times has been taken over by

Lawrence O'Donnell and he has read it

during his last word on MSNBC which

never happened to him. Normally he he he

gave his opinion. this time he used this

article in the New York Times uh and he

he has he went through from A to Zed and

I was very very impressed by that

because it showed also that there are

many people out there who want to know

what is going on and the question as

this stage I think is not is he guilty

the question is how far is he guilty and

how deep is he guilty and um I think the

DOJ should stop playing games because we

are talking about lives, real lives,

women, children, and you don't want your

daughters to be among them. You don't

want your sisters to be among them. You

don't want your family members to be

among them. So today, it's not just my

story. It is everybody's story. It can

be a neighbor. It can be a family

member. today we have to be to come

together and we can only be strong

together and I think the public it's

clear for the public today that that's

exactly the point you know

>> because they want this vicious circle to

stop so these were a few dates a few key

dates a few elements and I think only

with this article when I when I take the

Daily Mail daily beast the sun uh and

the New York Times without mentioning

all the other articles that came out in

uh several languages is um and other

interviews I gave with these key points.

You have already an an idea of the

impact and I will um always be very

grateful to all the journalists who has

have taken this uh story seriously and

who covered it seriously and who are

still investigating on many many other

sources uh that they have and um voila

it's we can continue as you wish. You

made so many good points there. It's

like Anyways, we'll get to some of that

with my thoughts. By the way, do you

mind if I I don't want to be rude, but

while you're talking, is it okay if I

eat this breakfast that I have?

>> Yeah, please. But, you know, here it's

almost dinner time, so no problem. I I

didn't want to like uh have you be going

through something and I'm chowing down

on this egg. So, I just want to warn you

that I might take a bite of this cuz

it's hot.

>> I don't want you to die. Yeah.

>> Well, thank you. I think to start, this

is kind of unrelated. Well, I mean, it

is related, but I'd like to hear what

was it like in the kind of beauty queen

modeling industry back in those days

when you were participating in that

world? What was it like? I mean, what

were the positive sides of it for you?

And kind of what was your experience?

>> Well, generally speaking, uh it was a

beautiful world in the sense that you

travel, you meet high-profile people,

you are invited everywhere. It's nice to

to see that part of the of the world as

well, you know, and uh it was a huge

difference with my banking experience

because in banking you have no margin

for fufu and uh show business and all

that. Everything is so serious in

banking. And it was um at the antipotes

you know from uh what I knew and what I

was used to. Uh so it was a little bit

like a hobby for me. I didn't take it

seriously. Um but in the same time uh it

was fascinating. You know there was this

fascinating part but there was also the

very dangerous part because you were uh

exposed to people that you never knew uh

before and you never met before. So it

was full of surprises. My story is

exactly the the point. It was a big

surprise and a big shock as well. So it

can go well as it can go really bad.

This is a little bit about that. Of

course I was lucky. I was 185 60 kilo.

So I I I from outside I had it but from

inside I was not convinced of that world

you know. I was more into banking into

maths into serious life. But I was lucky

I could uh I could experience that and

uh uh it's a life's chance and I took

it. The train was there. I took the

train but some destinations were were

full of bad surprises and other were um

were I was nicely surprised. So um it's

a little bit of a mixture, you know, but

of course it's a it's a life chance. Not

everybody is lucky enough to uh to

experience that.

>> Yeah. I mean, it's it's such a different

it's such a strange world to me when it

comes to pageantss and and those sorts

of events. I've never been to one. I I

don't know obviously. But to kind of get

into your story, can you just kind of

walk us through the sequence of events

in 93 starting with kind of how you were

invited to the pageant leading up to the

private meeting with Trump at the Plaza

Hotel? Well, it um it all started with

uh with Miss Switzerland and Miss Europe

where I participated and uh I was also

among the finalists. That was the nice

part, you know, well organized traveling

to Istanbul, Turkey. So, um yeah, it was

really nice and uh just afterwards uh I

got the personal invitation of Donald G.

Trump to attend his uh Donald G. Trump

American Dream Beauty pageant.

In the '9s, you know, for us, European

America was the absolute ultimatum

dream. You know, uh we all we were all

dreaming of the American dream. And when

you notice in this one sentence, Donald

G. Trump, American Dream, beauty

pageant, everything was in there, you

know, the American component, the

American dream, and him uh in the '90s

who had very good publicity in the

European media. Uh he was so called at

that time Mr. to New York and uh

everybody was fascinated when uh people

around me heard about this invitation.

They were all getting crazy, you know,

like you how amazing and America for the

first time and New York and Trump, you

know, and the American dream. So, well,

it was all it was a mixture and um

everybody was fascinated by all that.

That's the reason also I accepted to go

and to attend and um it was um how

should I say it was a dream come true

you know I was very positive I was

packing I was happy um I was looking

forward and then it it happened totally

differently than I imagined to myself

and that's where I personally met Trump

and Epstein at the press lunchon so um

everything started smoothly you know and

then I turned from black to from white

to black or black and white as you want

and then um the incident uh that was

already related you know in the press uh

you know I cannot go into details

because otherwise we have to stop the

interview I cannot talk about it just

like that but uh in one word uh it was

horror that's all I can say horror

>> so real quickly to give you some context

I'm just going to read you a portion of

this New York Times article that

Beatatrice appears in it's pretty damn

spamming stuff. And if you haven't seen

this, this is important stuff for people

to see and to understand. In January

1993, Mr. Trump held another party at

Mara Lago. This one to kick off a beauty

pageant he was bringing to Atlantic City

with two business partners, George

Herini and Jill Hearth. Two dozen or so

potential contestants were flown in to

meet Mr. Trump. The only other guest at

the party, Mr. Herane told the Times in

2019, was Mr. Epstein. During dinner

that night, Miss Hearth alleged in a

1997 lawsuit, Mr. Trump groped her under

the table, then cornered her in a

bedroom normally used by his daughter,

Ivanka, and quote, "Forcibly kissed,

fondled, and restrained and quote her

from leaving." Later, in the pre-dawn

hours, she alleged in the suit, Mr.

Trump also sneaked into a bedroom being

used by a 22-year-old contestant,

climbing into her bed uninvited. He

groped her too, according to the suit.

And later on in the article, it states,

"According to Mr. Epstein. He and Mr.

Trump partied at his house, too. In a

2015 email exchange with Landon Thomas

Jr., then a Times reporter, he recounted

a moment when Mr. Trump was so focused

on young women swimming in his pool that

he walked into a glass door. Mr. Epstein

also referred to the 22-year-old

contestant from that night in 1993,

indicating she had pictures of quote,

"Donald and girls in bikinis in my

kitchen," end quote, and providing her

email address. And then a little bit

further down, it states, "In November

1993, Mr. Trump's chosen pageant

contestants flew in from around the

world for a week of events at his

properties in New York and Atlantic

City. At one point, Miss Hearth said in

her lawsuit, Mr. Trump demanded that she

provide him with quote access and quote

to a 17-year-old check contestant." The

suit does not say if she complied or if

Mr. Trump met the contestant. Toward the

end of the week, the contestants joined

Mr. Trump for a press lunchon at the

plaza. One contestant, Beatatric Cule,

then a bank employee and part-time model

from Switzerland, said in an interview

with the Times that during the event,

one of Mr. Trump's employees asked her

to meet privately with him in a suite

upstairs. And this is the part in the

interview that Beatatrice didn't want to

talk about with me on camera because

obviously it was an extremely traumatic,

horrific, disgusting event that you know

that she survived. Almost as soon as she

arrived, Mrs. Q said, "Mr. Trump began

groping her, kissing her, and trying to

lift her dress. I yelled, I screamed, I

pushed him." She said he didn't want to

give up. She said she was withholding

some details of what happened because

she had been subject to anonymous

threats. Miss Kle first described

aspects of the episode to the Daily Mail

last year. A friend, Pascal Clavez, told

the Times that Miss Cule recounted the

episode at the Plaza to him around 2004.

Miss Cule also provided the Times with

pictures of documents corroborating her

participation in the pageant and of

herself with Mr. Trump. Also want to

note one final thing before we move on.

This story from Beatatric, this is

taking place at the Plaza Hotel.

Obviously a hotel intimately linked to

Donald Trump because of his ownership of

the building. But it's also interesting

because the Plaza Hotel was reportedly

the location where modern-day sexual

blackmail was really invented. I talked

about this in a previous episode and

this comes from a scheme that Roy Conn

who was also Donald Trump's mentor was

running in the hotel with the then head

of the FBI Jay Edgar Hoover. Now

apparently Jay Edgar Hoover liked to

dress up in women's clothing and he

would throw these parties. They would

all kind of have these events inside of

what was called the blue suite at the

Plaza Hotel. and Roy Con, Jed Garoover,

they would invite powerful people over

to this suite which was bugged and

rigged with audio and video recording

equipment. And then they would bring in

either different people every time.

Sometimes they were allegedly underaged

individuals. Other times they were young

men that they were trying to capture on

camera sleeping with closeted

politicians. But they were recording all

this stuff and according to the stories

using all that as blackmail against

these powerful people. So, there's a

history of these events at the Plaza

Hotel linked to a guy that's linked to

Trump through Roy Conn. And now you've

got Epstein at the same hotel seemingly

engaging in the same behaviors decades

later.

That to me is not a coincidence. But

let's get back to the story.

>> It's related online. So, um maybe we

don't go too much into it. there is a

lot that has been written about and um a

lot that is coming. So um I think uh so

far uh va this is a little bit how it

happened. So uh it happened by chance.

He wanted me to come. He invited me

personally and and I came and Jeffrey

Epstein was there too. So u that's how

it started.

>> So you go to the Plaza Hotel and you're

at this party/event function. Can you

set the scene like what what did the

party So it's a it's a oneweek event uh

and one of the events were the press

lunchon and during the press lunchon as

a it's called press was there uh Trump

came too uh and he introduced himself he

came straight to me we were talking for

a very long time and many people were

looking around us like what is going on

here the first thing he said uh miss

school finally we meet and that these

were his first words. Finally, we meet.

That's how we started to talk for quite

a long time. And uh we were supposed to

sit at several tables with uh some press

members. It was a coming and going. Uh

people were were moving beauty queens as

well from one table to another uh giving

interviews. So uh very formal, very um

very normal so far you know and uh a

very good interaction with him also. So

uh nothing suspicious, nothing crazy but

very intense uh because he he he he was

really interested in me. You have to

imagine him at that time he was younger

and he was also a little bit better

looking than today. So um yeah

everything was uh was uh fine uh in my

eyes. So um I was honored also that he

was interested in meth that far and um

and he clearly said uh I will send you

someone later on and we can continue

this discussion and uh that's when uh

Jeffrey Epin came and then he introduced

himself as uh Jeffrey uh Don's best

friend. The conversation went on then

with with with Jeffrey and I thought

he's part of the organization you know

because uh at that time uh nobody knew

anything so I was talking with him just

normally as I would have talked to other

journalists and he I thought he's part

of uh of of the team of the crew you

know.

>> Mhm. What what was I've always wondered

this what what was Epstein like? Like

how did he come off to you? Was he just

nice and you wouldn't suspect anything

strange? What did he have a weird aura

to him?

>> Well, actually, as soon as Trump left,

he came. So, uh I guess this was uh

something that they made up. Something

that they clearly said, "Okay, uh I did

the introduction. Now you you go and you

do the job." Huh. M

>> that's uh a little bit how I I felt and

how I um later on understood also what

was going on because clearly Jeffrey

Epstein was uh recruiting girls and uh

he wanted me uh also to attend the Mara

Lago party and he said that Don Don

likes me very much and uh he wants me to

uh to come to Mara Lago and then he came

with this famous sentence I will take

care of you which was very strange for

me as a European because uh you know I

was not handicapped. So why should a guy

that I have never seen uh take care of

me? So for me it was very strange. Uh I

don't know the guy, never heard of him,

never saw him. Uh he wants to take care

of everything of flights, accommodation.

I should just pack and come to Mara

Lago. I found it strange from someone

that I never heard never, you know, just

within seconds, you know, within seconds

just offer me the world, you know. I

didn't like him as a person, as a man.

He was absolutely not my kind. He was

very slimy, very, you know, like a like

a snake, you know, like that, you know,

coming always closer and um then he saw

that Mara Lago was nothing for me. Take

care of you didn't work with with me.

Then he went on and um wanted to offer

me uh to to uh meet his friends, his uh

billionaire friends again. I was like,

"Okay, but I'm here at the beauty

pageent. I don't know why you want me to

meet your friends." You know, I just

didn't get the idea of uh where do you

want to bring me or why and what what

should I do for it? You know, because

it's very nice when you hear that I will

take care of you, but it means that

there is a counterparty. I have to give

something. So, I was wondering when he

will tell me what was the counterparty

that he expected from me. And then he he

he saw it doesn't work either. And then

he said you know I have very uh famous

friends and among them uh royalty and uh

and then I was like okay uh which

royalty you know coming from Europe I

knew uh a few a few names and uh then he

came with Prince Andrew and um Prince

Andrew didn't really have a great

reputation at that time you know people

knew already that he's running after

girls and uh he had women's stories and

uh he was not that kind of prince you

want to to meat at least not in my eyes

you know and I was not impressed either.

So uh then he continued uh you know

flattering me like you know you have the

charisma, you have the potential and uh

he said exactly uh that I belong to this

Liga you know more he was talking less I

could take him for serious you know

because it was too much you know I came

from from a foreign country I came here

for a beauty contest and he was trying

to get me into another I don't know

where you know and everything was weird

and everything was strange change and

that's when I realized that actually the

guy he is not here from their

organization but he's trying to recruit

girls you know he's trying to really to

tell the the girls what they want to

hear and there were many girls at this

uh event who who you could tell I will

take care of you because they were there

exactly for that to find a guy a rich

guy and uh the only thing they had to

sell was their body you know and uh I

was not that type um I had already my uh

my diplomas, I had my money, I had an

income, I was a bank employee. So for

me, this kind of deal was absolutely no

way, you know, and I would not go into

that deal. But many of those girls who

were there, uh especially the American

one, they were there to find a

billionaire or a millionaire or whatever

uh rich guy, you know. I guess if uh

they told them just I will take care of

you, it would be already enough for

them, you know, to be convinced. But I

was not that easy, you know, to uh to to

be convinced. And uh also when he said

you have the caliber, you know, for this

Liga, I was like, okay, how far is he

going, you know, how far is he trying to

uh to make me compliments and how far is

is is he going, you know, what is he

trying? he's really trying hard and uh I

was not the type of $200 girl, you know,

uh it was impossible for him to convince

me and uh therefore then he tried with

many other uh options and it didn't

work. And uh he said, "Okay, uh so I

should leave him my uh my coordinates

and my phone number and address." And so

I said, "Yeah, but now I don't have time

for that. I have to go uh to the rest of

the group." He said, "Well, anyway, he

will get them from from dawn." So, um

that's how we um we finally uh how I ma

finally managed to um to stop the

conversation. But he he was what I would

call a professional women hunter because

he knew exactly how to adapt. You know,

if it's uh someone that is more from the

poor side, he knew which budget he

should offer so that they say yes. If

it's more a high-profile girl, then he

knew, okay, I play this other card. And

with me, he played all the big cards.

And um nothing worked because for me,

everything was suspicious. Everything,

the way he was dressed, the way he was

talking, the the product he wanted to

sell me, uh everything was strange and

uh nothing that I was used to. And

therefore uh I found him weird, strange,

like a bluffer, you know, when you

bluff.

>> Mhm.

>> And um that's that's the impression that

he gave me. And uh that's what I guess

also saved me from him because uh I just

didn't believe what he's telling me. I

just didn't believe he didn't look like

someone who is who has billionaires

friends. He didn't talk like someone who

has uh wealth and he he he didn't give

the serious uh any serious image of him.

Not even a second. All this said with my

European eyes, you know, I would have

been American. I guess I would have

played the game, but I I was not

convinced.

>> He He sounds very pushy as well.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. He wanted at the

end of the conversation, he wanted

something from me. Absolutely. He was

pushing. He was trying. He was super

pushy and he didn't get it. And then he

almost got got mad.

>> H really?

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was very surprised

that I say no to not to everything and

and and and uh I mean better cards than

that he wouldn't have, you know.

>> So with this conversation, how long did

it last? Like 5 minutes, 10?

>> Oh, no. Over over 10, 15. No, no, he was

trying hard.

>> So you could seriously

>> like you just mentioned kind of how he

was hunting. So you also saw him kind of

talking to the other girls that were

there. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah,

absolutely. He uh he went uh over to the

others as well. And uh he's like a

chameleon, you know, he adapts himself.

He he goes low if it's necessary, he

goes high if it's necessary. Uh but um

in the same time, um you know, coming

from uh the banking side, I was used to

very very wealthy people. I can

recognize a real one uh from a from a

fake one. For me, it was clear um

something is not doesn't match. It

doesn't match with what he's saying and

the way he looked and the way he

behaved.

>> That's what I've heard. You know, I've

I've talked to other people who've

spoken out against Epste. I just haven't

like interviewed them kind of formally.

And it's all these different trafficker

figurehead guys like Epstein or in the

Franklin thing, it was a guy named

Larry. They everyone always talks about

them the same where they had a lot of

money behind them but they didn't seem

like they fit in with

>> Yeah. the rich people.

>> It's strange.

>> Absolutely.

>> No, he didn't have the the profile for

that. And um he he he tried hard he

tried hard to play that kind of person

and um even though he was trying hard

for me it was not convincing at all. and

uh always you know more and more and

more and uh at a certain stage I I um I

was thinking uh is he going to bring me

a million on the table or just to come

or what is the next you know the next

level how how far is he going to get me

there

>> so talking about that I mean he was

trying to get you to Mara Lago did he go

into much detail about what he would be

doing there or where you would exactly

why you'd be going to Mara Lago

>> yeah great parties uh with Don uh having

fun uh chilling uh and all expenses

paid. I wouldn't have to worry for

anything. He would take care of

everything. I can even fly back home

first and then he would send me tickets

and the accommodation everything and

lots of fun great parties with Don

>> at Mara Lago

>> at Mara Lago and with him and he

organizing everything and taking care of

everything. I just had to pack. He said,

"You just need to pack and everything is

offered and uh and you will have lots of

fun with Don at his party in Mara Lago."

>> You see, I've always felt even before

the Epstein story really became like

what it is. Um, even back when Trump was

first elected in 2016 and people were

talking about the pageantss and all

these events, I always had the feeling

that it it was more like he was using

that ownership of that organization to

get access to young often times

impressionable girls and women. So then

hearing like your story, obviously that

is exactly what it sounds like was

happening. But now you've got Epstein in

the mix which adds a whole another level

to the whole thing.

>> Yeah. And they were not only the two of

them. There was a third person that I

cannot name now who is extremely famous,

extremely uh influent in the model

business who was working with them. They

were the three predators one beauty

pageant.

>> Was this a woman that was working with

them?

>> It was a man.

>> It was a man in the beauty business.

>> It was a man. Three predators, one

beauty contest. In other words, they

were working together. And this is what

we call here organized crime. Trump was

uh in charge of the beauty queens,

Epstein of the poor segment, and the

third guy of models. And with that said,

you covered the spectrum of women uh

kind.

>> So, how what was the third guy's role in

all of this? Was he kind of doing the

same thing like just talking to people

and trying to convince them?

>> Exactly like Epstein. I will take care

of you. You just have to come. I offer

you this and that and everything and

it's going to to to come later.

>> Wow. I'm excited to hear you talk about

that.

>> No, no, it was a it's a it was a

playground. Uh they use this as a

playground. And u uh another point which

is also interesting for you is that this

beauty pageent happened um in November

and the same November few days later

another event was planned too where I

was supposed to go to as well and then

the third event in Maralago. So if you

take within one and a half or two weeks,

there were six about uh 65 girls for the

beauty pageant and they were over 40 for

the other event and then about uh 40 for

the other. So let's make it round. Uh 60

+ 40 + 40, we are about at 140 women

already within one week. And I guess

that was a good week.

>> It's a lot of potential victims for one

week.

>> Oh yes. Oh yes,

>> one week of one month of one year.

>> That was just one week. Just one one

week and then you can count for the

whole year.

>> Yeah, that's unfair.

>> But maybe not all weeks were that

success successful because he didn't

have a beauty pageant each week. But uh

it happened to be exactly the the time

when I was there and uh where I could

have landed in three in these three

events. One I did and the other two I

was invited but I didn't go. So, um, a

good 140 girls in in a good week and a

half, it's a good average if you count

on one year.

>> And if people didn't know better, you

know, obviously back then or they didn't

get the same, they didn't read Epstein

like you did or Trump really, it's so

easy to see how someone could be pulled

into that web, the money and the flashy

parties and just kind of a glitzy,

glamorous experience. I think it's hard

for a lot of people to understand why so

many people often especially with the

Epstein story went along with it. Like

obviously they didn't choose to go along

like many of the the girls who were

underage that's no matter what. But it

you can see like if he really played it

up why it would be appealing to kind of

just dip your toe in the in the Epstein

Trump water. people. Obviously, you

could never understand what really was

happening until you're there, which is

this the really scary part.

>> Well, I understand it very well because

I I I experienced it and I know exactly.

Uh I uh met them. I uh was invited to

all these places. So, I know what I'm

talking about. Of course, when in the

'9s all this happened, there were only

very few people in New York who knew

what is going on and they were not

talking because they were involved. So

um the game uh continued and continued

and is continuing maybe even two days.

The idea was okay uh I either be quiet

for my entire life or I bring it out

because uh with the distance and with

the time you understand all these key

people who were playing a role and in

this organization and there are many

others. It was very routin, very um

meticulous uh very well organized. it

was not difficult for them to get girls.

So, uh when you when you cover the

entire spectrum, you know, of the women

kind if it's young or middle age or or

just just beauty pageantss from uh I

don't know from which age they started

but until beauty pageent age. Yeah,

there is a big selection and uh it's

ongoing. It's never out of season. It's

always the season. You know, what makes

me mad is that many people knew and

nobody did anything. At the contrary,

they were even contributed and they even

uh brought more girls. Uh nobody stopped

them and u today we understand why they

didn't stop them because there was a

whole system that was involved. You

know, society has a certain evolution

and now we are in 2026 and uh in 20 26

finally we can talk, we can say what uh

what happened uh with the distance and

someone has to stand up. Someone has to

stop this violence for free because we

we don't bring people children on uh on

the planet to destroy them. That's not

the idea of uh parents who need to be

responsible to to protect them. The idea

is not to create children to to give it

to these sick people. Sick people should

go uh to doctors and find solutions. But

um I don't see why I don't see why we we

have to sacrifice our children for that.

But many people knew I'm convinced today

that many people knew, many

participated. I have u also other

experiences. Yeah, it was noa. It's

called omea when people know and they

don't do anything and they just let it

happen and that's crim criminal too you

know

>> 100% and with Epstein you know that

obviously there were thousands and

thousands of people in the orbit that

knew at least knew something and no one

ever did a thing at all. I mean, there

there were victims who tried to raise

the alarm, but the people I mean, the

people in power never still to this day.

I mean, no one's down for it.

>> That's the point. Still to this day.

That's the point.

>> Yeah. I mean, imagine if they actually

were to actually investigate this and

start knocking on doors and subpoenaing

people like you're saying some of the

people in in this room for this one

event where that could go if these

people talked. It's

>> done it. They don't do it. Which is so

shocking to me. I It's not shocking, but

it's just it's really disappointing.

>> It's disappointing. It's sad. It makes

you lose your confidence in justice. It

makes you ask the right questions also

about our society. What are we about?

You know, here in Europe, we have been

raised not to steal, not to lie, not to

this, not to that, not to everything,

you know. And then you have on the other

side an American president who is a

professional liar, a professional

cheater, a professional uh uh criminal.

I mean of course he has been uh trained

by Roy Khn and uh he has been uh

applying Roy Kh's rules for over 50

years so he got very good at it but that

does not mean that it is the right thing

to do. At the contrary we are still

people around the world who have been

raised in a normal manner in a way that

they do good and they uh they think

good. They don't allow all these red

lines to be crossed because you cross it

once and then you cross it always, you

know. And the same as being a predator,

a predator once, always a predator. And

that's the the the ethic and also the

moral of everything, you know, you have

to be careful because when you do it

once and then you will always do it and

especially at this scale, this is just

not normal.

>> No. you know.

>> So before we move on, can you just

provide a little bit of detail into the

actual like event itself? Like how many

people were in that room would you say

in that area with when Epstein

approached you? Um

>> you mean the press lunchon? Uh we were

uh over 60 girls and uh there were uh at

least uh dozens of uh of journalists

organizing stuff. Um I guess all

together we were a good hundred in the

ballroom. Yeah.

>> Yeah. So a lot of people there so and

and

>> lots of lots of round tables. Yeah.

>> Interesting. Obviously you've talked

about what Trump did to you. We don't

have to talk about that. But did you end

up reporting that to anybody at the

time? If whatever you're comfortable

with talking with me about. Um,

>> yeah. Before going into reporting, I

would like to emphasize something that

uh was also part of your question before

is the interaction between uh Jeffrey

Epstein and Donald Trump.

>> That's also something that we maybe

should just take for a second,

>> please. Um, so they were very very very

close for two reasons. I'm uh saying

that for two reasons. The first is that

Donald Trump allowed Jeffrey to come and

hunt on his territory on his playground.

And the second point is that Donald

Trump paid for the event. They were also

complicit. They were had eye contact.

They were also uh smiling to each other.

So uh it was like a game.

both of them were playing their role and

I think this makes a difference you know

so for the people to know did they know

each other oh yes how deep very deep you

know

>> and you saw them like continuously

throughout the event talking

>> they were playing with us they were

playing with us it was a game that was a

game a hunting game

>> yeah it's it's shocking to me that

people still deny the reality of just

that fact um

>> yeah But those who deny, thanks God,

they are less and less because now the

facts are so clear. The witness are

clear. The victims have uh have been

talking. I think with all these elements

that we have now in hand, those who

still deny, they must be either stupid

or they are in a cult and um they are

blind. There is no other explanation. If

they are really really strongly

convinced of this uh this opinion then

uh they it's an afron for their

intelligence then I really asked myself

how how intelligent are they because at

a certain stage when you have all the

all the the all the proof on the table

then you even if you are if you are

proTrump you must say okay Houston we

have a problem here

>> you would imagine

>> yeah I mean you have to be objective at

a certain stage you have to be

objective. I I can have a a great image

of a person, but if this person gives me

more and more and each day uh reasons

that uh it's not what I thought for that

many years, at a certain stage I open my

eyes.

>> You have to that's

>> you have to because otherwise you lie to

yourself. You know,

>> the truth is objective. Reality is

objective. Today, a former Miss Arizona

who calls herself a conservative going

public in an interview with KCBS,

describing what she says happened

backstage with Trump at a MissUSA

pageant.

>> Our first introduction to him was when

we were at the dress rehearsal and half

naked changing into our bikinis.

>> Tasha Dixon detailing her discomfort. to

have the owner come walting in when

we're naked or half naked in a very

physically vulnerable position and then

to have the pressure of the the people

that work for him telling telling us to

go fawn all over him, go walk up to him,

talk to him, get his attention.

>> She described feeling helpless.

>> Who do you complain to? He owns the

pageant. So there's no one to complain

to. Everyone there works for him.

>> Soon, Thursday night, you're going up

the escalad.

>> I'm going to be dating her in 10 years.

Okay.

>> When we were in New York City on the

media tour, they were doing a book

launch at Trump Towers for the Universal

Beauty book and they had a bunch of

former MissUSAs and Miss Universes. We

did the red carpet and that was tons of

fun. And then they lined us all up and

Trump went down the line and he shook

your hand and, you know, looked you

over, looked you up and down, head to

toe. Um, I was just checking everybody

out.

>> A past interview with Howard Stern now

making headlines. Trump talking about

how he had free reign at his beauty

pageantss. I'll go backstage before a

show and everyone's getting dressed and

ready and I'm allowed to go in because

I'm the owner of the pageant and

therefore I'm inspecting it. Is everyone

okay? You know, they're standing there

with no clothes. Is everybody okay? And

you see these incredible looking women

and so I sort of get away with things

like that. Later in that same show,

Trump is asked if he'd ever had sex with

MissUSA or Miss Universe contestant.

>> Never comment on things like that. You

know,

>> give us the first letter, the first

letter of the country you had sex with.

>> How many letters are there?

>> And another video where Trump is seen

interviewing Playboy Playmates and basks

in the glow of a question from CNN's

Genie Moses.

>> And have you ever dated a playmate?

>> I refuse to answer that question

>> on the grounds that it may be true.

>> May be true. I'm telling you, Donald

Trump owned the pageant for the reason

to utilize his power to get around

beautiful women.

>> When it comes to Donald Trump and

Jeffrey Epstein, the media is missing

the smoking gun. Now, I've sat on this

information for years and I really

didn't want to get into this because

this is not in my job description and

it's very dangerous to come out this

come out with this publicly. The smoking

gun is MissUSA and Miss Teen USA. The

pageantss which Donald Trump owned for

years. Now, how do I know? because I was

one of the judges in these pageantss. I

trained dozens and dozens of the winners

and the runners up in public speaking to

promote their platform. This is all I'm

going to say about this. If you're in

the media and you're looking for

information, start with Billy Bush.

Billy Bush hosted the MissUSA, Miss Teen

USA multiple times. Nancy Odell is

another one. And then go down the rabbit

hole from there. There are people that

know a lot more than those two, but

start there. They're celebrities. And

start there. Go down the rabbit hole.

And I think what you're going to find is

going to be very, very upsetting. Don't

call me. I'm not going to comment. I'm

not going on TV and talking about this.

This is very dangerous to sit on. If you

decide to pursue this in the media, be

very, very careful. These people are

dangerous. And you can't I mean just

based on your story alone that should be

enough evidence to show somebody that

their relationship was much more than

brushing elbows at social functions and

getting a picture together. But

>> I guess this is the reason why Lawrence

O'Donnell has taken the article of the

New York Times and read it really from A

to Zed during his last word MSNBC uh

podcast because there were so many other

also witnesses in this article you know

who makes it so clear I mean there's no

doubt left absolutely no doubt left and

therefore I think this is the reason why

he has taken this article once and

forever and also for the very first time

in his entire last word uh experience

and he has taken word by word and I

think this is also when uh the dick

click happened in the head of the people

you know where all of a sudden they

realize oh my god she's not the only one

there is more and more and all related

and they all say the same how come that

many people say the same I don't know

them they don't know me we couldn't come

together and put this story together and

this is was what also The European

journalists say now that all the editors

say it is not possible that all these

thousands of women say the same without

knowing each other. So there must be a

truth somewhere and the truth is with us

and not with him.

>> Mhm. A million%. But for that you need a

minimum objectivity, a minimum

rationality, and a minimum of

intelligence, you know.

>> And you would imagine if they're

actually investigating this, they should

bring in some of the victims/s survivors

to speak to them, to interview them.

Why?

>> I hope it will happen one day. I hope it

will happen. And I hope it will happen

in front of the congress. And I hope it

will be televised. And I hope really all

that and also that they will be

subpoenaed and they will come and uh

even if they say the fifth the fifth the

fifth but at least the people will see

how far they go you know but at least

they they heard all the victims because

for the moment there are thousands of

podcasts thousands of articles out there

and nobody has time or the interest or

or the the the the

strength to put it together. you know a

timeline, names, connections and an end

because the puzzle is huge. But those

who are involved like you, like me, like

other victims, they know what they are

talking about. And one day if someone

will take the time and put all this

puzzle together, then they will all be

horrified and we don't know yet

everything, you know, and uh and

therefore uh the story is never ending

story. It's really a never- ending

story. And coming back to your why I

didn't report it's very easy because he

threatened me and he clearly told me to

be quiet otherwise something would

happen to me and that was in the 90 uh

93 and then later on uh I went on with

my life you know with busy family and

professional life and you know how it is

and you don't have no time for anything

else than doing that and then later uh I

got threads uh uh on social media India

and when Virginia Dufrey died uh then it

was very massive. Then I got lots of

threats again a little bit like Maduro

in Venezuela you know we we know where

you are and we will get you. Yeah, it

was non-stop threats, threats, threats

until uh when I I saw him becoming

president for the first time and uh he

was so omnipresent in the media that

when this box when I moved when I opened

this box when I moved I I I I realized I

cannot keep it for myself anymore. It's

making me sick. It's making me uh

suffer. It's making me everything, you

know. So that's when I decided that

something has to be done, you know. But

still you know in the '9s we women we

had only one alternative is just to

suffer in silence. And this is what new

generation do not understand because

when they suffer they do something

straight away you know. But in the '9s

it was impossible for a woman to say the

truth. First of all because nobody

believes you and second because the

society didn't allow us to talk. It was

always our fault and we were ashamed for

what these criminals did to us. It was

always this the contrary of what should

be normal and what is normal today. And

thanks God we have come to this uh 2026

so that we can talk because there are

many victims who are sick since years

and and they are in therapy and and they

have to find solutions so that they

don't lose control. They still be

operative and and and and and live their

lives, but it's like an open wound, you

know? It's it never heals and it always

comes up. You try to put it down, you

try to forget it, you put it in a box,

you do everything, but he was so much

omnipresent in the media that it's

impossible to forget him.

>> It was just impossible.

>> But the threats are here. It's a serious

thing and it's dangerous. I mean, uh, he

can do so much, you know, he has the

power now.

>> It really, even just listening to you

talk just got me kind of like emotional

like uh,

>> yeah, I have to be very careful also

because otherwise I cannot continue. No,

I know my eyes are a little watery from

that, but it just makes me so upset deep

down that there are sections of

Americans that just not only don't seem

to care about if if Trump

fullon someone who's an adult, but also

>> you know what I say? You know what I say

to these people? Wait until it happens

to you and then you laugh less. That's

the only way to say it. Wait until it

happens to you and then you stop writing

lol lol lol, you know, and emojis. Wait

until it happens to you and then we talk

again. But that's soed up to me too is

that people there are people out there I

think and I think that's a big part and

also like you're talking about like

allegations in the '9s and I've also

worked with victims who had allegations

in the 70s like young I've a really good

friend who I interviewed for another

project was by a

a famous 1976 and no one believed him

and people made fun of him constantly

and it's Like it it just it's so

shocking to me and heartbreaking that

America has this in the world really in

so many ways an empathy problem like for

me to empathize with someone who

survived sexual violence. It doesn't

have to be oh what if that was my mom or

my sister. It's like that is just

obviously horrific and wrong but so many

people just don't think like that and it

[ __ ] it just gets me so angry that but

there are a few good news there are a

few good news the the thing is that when

I compare my story to the one of the 28

other 27 other women for example it

started in the 80s ' 90s and it went on

they never had that much coverage uh in

the media they never were um they were

never listened to. They were treated

like liars and today all of a sudden

victims are heroes and therefore I think

we have made a huge step for humanity

this time and also because finally

social media is on our side. Before you

had a few articles, people uh read it or

not, but it was uh it landed somewhere,

you know, but now it's online and people

can go and search and those who really

want the truth, they know how to read

between the lines. And I think also when

I compare with 2024 and today, it's a

huge step. And also because there are

more and more victims. And when you have

more and more victims, you have more and

more pain. And there are many victims

out there who didn't come out yet and

who didn't tell their story, but they

suffered from inside and they recognize

themsel in this crazy society. And

that's why we have so many people who

are with us today. And even though it

sounds a a big progress on one on one

hand, it is a huge I I I think a huge

step for humanity because it couldn't

happen in the '90s. It couldn't happen

in 2000. It couldn't happen in 2010 and

even in 2020 it the society was not

ready. And I think our society is ready

today. And that's why I never think

about all these people who uh don't

understand or who don't show sympathy

for us because I don't need any empathy

from anybody. I just want justice,

truth and saving lives. That's the only

thing that I want and for which I fight

and for women rights

because when when you have for example

boys you you raise them in a way that

they respect women and the same way if

you have have girls you you raise them

to be respectful of men. So why isn't

that possible on the highest level? Why

do they need this crazy kick? Why?

Because the problem is not the people

down. The the problem is the elite

because they saw it all, they had it

all, they paid it all, they they

everything, you know, and then they want

the forbidden piece, you know, the

forbidden apple. And that's when they

cross the line. And that's where our

society must say, it doesn't matter how

many millions, billions, or trillions

you have, you don't cross the line

because we cannot cross the line either.

And that's this is the only way of law

that regulates our countries and that

make us live in peace. Yeah. I mean if a

normal person was accused of even a

1,000th of what Epstein, Trump, all

these sorts of people have been accused

of doing.

>> Yeah. Because they showed them they

showed on the upper side and then it

went down and uh and uh that's that's

what happened. and they showed that it's

possible and why not and who cares and

then they took them they took uh the

right to do it as well but initially um

it was not meant to uh uh it was more in

the in the elitary society because it

was the non plus ultra you know to uh to

do these games. They were so bored from

life that the only toy they found is uh

playing around

>> with Yeah. the the forbidden fruit is a

is a really great kind of analogy there

on like

because a lot of people always wonder

why and I have the same question too. I

mean I understand the forbidden fruit

thing but it it's also like it's so

strange when it seems like some of these

people get to these upper levels they

always go for young victims.

Even in I'm from South Dakota in the

states and the big like there's this

really really famous billionaire

philanthropist where I'm from his name

is Denny Sanford and he put he like took

over the hospital system in my entire

home state. So every hospital even the

regional uh clinics they got rebranded

from whatever they were Sou Valley to

Sanford. So his name is everywhere in

South Dakota.

>> Another one.

>> Yeah. And this guy was busted about 5

years ago. They intercepted CSAM

materials in his email. There were 35

images. I believe it was it was 30

something. In his email, graphic images

of children and it was a news story and

the attorney general of South Dakota was

his lawyer. So, he used to be his

private lawyer, then he became the the

attorney general, and all of a sudden,

it just goes away. And there's there's

nothing more to the story. No one ever

was arrested for it. No one went down

for it. But this guy is once again a a

billionaire, a multi-billionaire. And

there are

>> statu scandal. It's a huge scandal.

>> It is. And there's in my hometown at the

children's hospital, there are

>> full bronze statues of this guy with

kids on his shoulders hugging children

like he's some hero to the kids. But

>> yeah, they effectively buried that

entire thing as well. So it it is a

weird I I don't I just obviously I'll

never understand it, but when people get

to those levels of power, it just seems

tendencies or compulsions like that are

almost drawn out of them. It's it's

>> Yeah, you said something very uh u

interesting now. It's again a

millionaire or billionaire and it's

again someone who can afford it. When

you think about this story is the

consumer and the market. when you have a

um a drug portion it cost 20 uh Swiss

Frank for example and if you want a

child it's 20,000 so of course tra human

trafficker uh they choose children

because it makes more money and that's

also something so who can afford a child

for 20,000 you have to be a millionaire

billionaire or more so in other words if

that can be stopped you know then it

would make a change because you can't

not everybody can afford 20,000 you know

you have to be in a certain lia to pay

20,000 and especially on a regular basis

and so and uh and this is also something

there is a lot of money who came from uh

from Trump to Epstein and uh what was

very interesting is that each time uh he

um he transferred 30 millions it was

before he took the plane to uh to the

island so in other words Epstein was

very intelligent and he told him okay if

you don't pay you don't uh you don't uh

um you don't come all these things are

related you know who can just afford 30

million just like that to take the plane

and go and have fun

>> yeah and

>> not many people can

>> why it's it's a it's black and white

each time he went on the plane he paid

30 million to Epstein so Epstein didn't

do it for free or for friendship you

know he did it for for the purpose of

business clearly.

>> So if you want to consume, you send me

first the the transfer.

>> So he was he was very clever as far as

that was concerned. But someone has to

stop this trafficking. You know, someone

has to say no, it's not possible. It's

not allowed. It's not ethical. It's not

moral. No, just no. You do it among uh

among adults, that's something else. But

if you have and you have this kind of

needs, then go to the doctor first.

>> So when you finished your time in New

York at that time, did you get the

impression that you had been brought

there specifically with the intent to be

propositioned to to be potentially

brought into trafficking or do you think

that the pageant was the main reason and

then that was kind of like a side play?

The pageant was a pseudo um excuse. It

was a cover up. It was an ambush.

>> And And how did that feel for you when

you were going back home after this

obviously extremely traumatic and

confusing experience?

>> It was a a cat catastrophe. Uh uh my

entire American dream has fallen into

parts. My entire New York dream has

fallen into parts. my credibility in

men, my my uh trust in men, my I was

down down and down again. I have never

been that down in my entire life. And

that's the reason why I put everything

in the box because I just couldn't I

just couldn't I just couldn't. I was

lucky enough that I could go to the

bank, back to the bank and uh work and u

get all these shooidoo because I was in

pain. I was suffering. I knew I couldn't

do anything about it. I was trapped. It

was a dilemma. It was a huge dilemma for

me. The that was the the the worst

nightmare in my entire life. And in the

'9s that was something, but then today

with everything we kn we know, you know,

also the extent with the connection with

new Europe. Uh it was uh you American

you focus a lot on on your country you

know and we focus a lot on Europe but

now this network this Jeffrey Epson

network has taken another dimension you

know my story is no longer just people

magazine story it has become political

because they have found it was in

December last year the insets which is

of Washington Post there is a great

journalist there who investigated and He

found human trafficking out of

Switzerland to Epstein, banking

connections and then of course with

Italy and Spain and France and the

ramification and the connections within

Europe are huge and also Netherland the

princess of Netherland was also one of

the girls. Everything is slow you know

it has taken one year until America

waked up and now Europe is waking up

very slowly. It's a slow procedure

because all these high-profile people

they have also the media in the hands or

their friends have the media and they

got many stories. Thanks god the British

are very uh open and uh neutral and they

bring the stories out. You know the

connections are huge. They are huge. And

even Switzerland, we had human

trafficking out of Switzerland to

America to Epstein directly with

modeling with models and younger girls

also. So can you imagine the wakeup call

we had here in this country when uh this

came out this uh article that uh I have

also online it's in German but there are

many others who have taken it over and

translated it into English. Therefore

this is also a very important point.

It's not just Trump Epstein America.

It's the entire world is in this mess.

The entire world. You know, Epstein had

real estate in France, in Paris, in

south of France and he was working a lot

with model agencies in Paris and uh they

brought girls uh from Eastern Europe

first to Paris. They got them visas and

with these visas they uh send them uh

then where the clients were. you know

it's it's easy because when you have

these girls and uh also boys who uh

wanted to be a model at any price it was

not difficult you know and then uh the

next door was trafficking you know and

um and this is something that many

American don't know but it's really

really huge and it's coming out step by

step now many people are afraid and many

journalists are afraid to bring it out

because there are so highprofile people

involved

in Europe that you cannot even imagine.

>> Yeah. It they you know obviously when

you think of Epstein that's how my

conceptualization of this was a few

years ago. He got these victims from

kind of Florida area and it was almost

kind of self-contained and oh he had a

British connection and Prince Andrew and

then Trump. But as the years have gone

on, it's almost it it really is it seems

like an impossible task to actually

piece this entire thing together or for

someone to investigate because it's so

vast. You could you could investigate in

like let's just say Switzerland and find

different rabbit holes that each have

splinters of their own um that lead to

more victims and and more perpetrators.

It's just it's something it's daunting.

It it's really frightening to me when

you think about how much we know and how

little what we know right now really

represents how small of a piece of the

entire puzzle.

>> Yeah. Yeah. The rabbit holes are are

extreme. You have pointed out uh

something very important here because I

think there is no person on this planet

who can put the puzzle together.

Everybody has a part of it and because

it's so complex uh nobody will ever ever

make the round. Nobody will finish the

puzzle. Nobody. It's impossible. But for

those who are in there, you know, I

think if um a consortium of journalists

uh from around the world will come

together in a task force, of course you

have to finance that, but uh a an

international task force of specialists

of criminality and of human trafficking.

There are many out there. Maybe they

listen. They can come together and these

specialists, they can do it. But we have

to be realistic. It will always come to

an end very quickly because the people

who are involved on the highest level

are so powerful that they will stop any

investigation. And we have to be we have

to be really realistic. Even when you

see what the DOJ is doing now, all these

dirty games, I mean, this is a joke.

It's an absolute joke what is going on

with this DOG now. And this is a typical

a typical example of what happens, you

know, when you start something that big.

They just stop it and they think we are

all stupid and we don't remember that

there are the Epstein files are still uh

open and they do and they they didn't

send it and they didn't give it to the

public. They think we are stupid. But

this is the best example of where this

case is going to land. And if it's

France, if it's Germany, Spain, Italy,

Switzerland, it's always going to land

on a desk of one of these DOG people

from another country. And they are going

to stop it. And this is the sad part of

the story actually because we witness,

we can fight. You podcaster, you can

bring it out. We can all with the

witness and with the victims come

together, put names together, put

everything together. Nothing moves.

There is no interest up there to move

the game on. No interest. At the

contrary, they are scared, you know,

>> especially with uh I mean, when you've

got Trump as the president of the United

States using the DOJ as a puppet of his

that are just subservient goons, you

know, he says, "Don't do this. They

don't do it." It's so clear that that's

what they're doing. And it's

disheartening. Definitely.

>> Yeah. This is the worst part in the

story, you know, because even when you

have the proof, even when you have the

witnesses and the and the victims, it

lands in a in a in a corner. Maybe we

will need, I don't know, 30, 40, 50

years more like the GFK files. We will

not be here anymore at the to to witness

it. Maybe our society is the way it is

and uh it will never change. They don't

want us to change. They don't want us to

talk because because these people they

they want to continue to have fun.

That's the point. They want to continue

to have fun

>> cuz Epstein, you know, has taken

whatever he's he's been whether he's

dead or alive, a lot of people think

he's alive, you know, that's a whole

another rabbit hole. But even if he's

not the figure head of an operation like

that anymore, like the crazy thing is

you know that someone else has assumed

that role and is actively doing this. I

mean there are thousands of Epstein out

there even though they're operating on

smaller levels, lesser levels. But I

guess that's my question to you is like

what would you like to see out of all

this? How do you think that what we do

here and and you speaking out and me

doing this podcast and you know people

online what's the impact that we can

have by talking about this stuff?

>> Well, I think the general conscience has

waken up so which is already a victory

for you, for me, for all the other

victims.

And then if we can just save one life,

I am already happy and relieved.

Just one life.

I am relieved.

And um

I am sure we made that possible. You and

me and all the other podcasters and all

the other journalists,

we we saved a few lives.

and uh saying that I'm already relieved

and I think I didn't do it for nothing.

That's for me already a big win. And if

people think or

if I if I I hope you know to that my

legacy will be you know to to the people

that

they remember me as

you know that that Swiss beauty queen

that stood up

against the American president

in order to save lives.

you know, save lives.

That would be I think for us victims,

you media,

it's already the biggest victory we

could have. But of course, it would be

better to do more and save more and stop

the vicious circle. My goal is to stop

the vicious circle or at least to bring

it down

and also for many people you know to

recognize the signals. You had this

question of were there signs? No, there

were no signs for two reasons. We had no

internet and we had no social media. But

today the new generation they have

internet and they have social media and

therefore the signs are easier to

recognize and I think this is the big

progress between our generation

I mean my generation because you are

younger and the new generation. They can

use these tools, you know, to save

themsel and to detect these signals

where you you hear something that is not

right.

You have no obligation,

you know, and this this young generation

is lucky enough that they are very

strong and very decisive, you know. they

don't say yes to everything as we had to

you know but um I think this is the most

important if they can remember us all

the people who were fighting for this

cause that we wanted to save lives and

we managed to to do so in a few cases of

course we will never be able to save

everybody this is a fact but if we saved

a few lives I am already happy

because that was my goal. Bring my story

out and make sure it doesn't happen

again and again and again.

That that was my my only reason of

fighting and it is still my fight even

if it's going to be my last fight. But

if we manage that so that we can all

live in peace, you know, and we can just

have a normal life and a nice life and

concentrate on what is important, you

know, that would help a lot. And as

said, if we would have had internet and

uh social media in n in the '90s, all

this would have never ever happened

because they were protected by by uh

many people because nobody talked,

nobody wrote about it and and then they

stopped it also with the with the

investigations. But today if anything

happened happens to those who are

listening now be strong stand up think

about us who made the first step and

come and do the other steps with us you

know because only together we are strong

and we can help you. We can help you. We

can support you. We can we can do a lot.

Think about this first step that's

always the the the worst and the most

difficult. the first step and and we did

that step for you all those who are out

there so that they don't have to leave

this horror again and I think this is

this is uh what we are fighting for all

of us and especially also those who have

children because as we said at the very

beginning you don't bring children on

this planet to destroy them I think this

is a clear message for me if uh if we

manage to save lives

Then it was worse fighting. It was worth

suffering.

It was worse

taking on us all the insults we got.

It was worse

hearing and reading everything that was

a a real atrocity to to hear.

And in the same time, you know, there

are many people out there who support

us. There are many people who are kind.

There are many people who sent this

messages of courage of love and all

those I would like to thank also because

it's it takes courage also to write on

Instagram or somewhere else these kind

of messages because they know there are

many who will come against and uh I

think we have also lots of normal people

around us. Thanks God. You know, they're

not just insults and threats. There are

also people like us and many who don't

have the courage, but they are with us

and they write us. The world is

watching. We are with you. We are in

Netherland. We are with you. We are in

Greece. We are with you.

There are so many of these messages that

I get.

The world is watching. Be strong.

Continue. Don't give up.

And this is phenomenal. This is

absolutely phenomenal to to see and to

read that

it gives it gives me the strength to

say, you know, I don't see him as a

president. I only see him as a man

because if I would see him as a

president, I would never be able to do

what I am doing.

And these are the moments that are so

important, you know, that you know that

you're not alone. And I remember this is

what I heard the first time when I came

out with the with the article and u I

was contacted by the uh women against

Trump and the the first thing one of the

ladies there told me you are not alone

and this was for me the biggest strength

that she could gave me and that's the

reason also I posted also always with

the girls together so that people see

it's not about me It's about all the

others too. And when I posted this uh

this picture at that time, I was not

shadowbanned and it made over 330,000

views and um and the comments were

positive and everything. So this is also

something that many people don't

understand. You cannot have the strength

each day to to hold so many so much pain

on your shoulder.

It is not human to hold all this pain.

But in the same time, if it if it serves

the others and if it helps the others,

then I do it and I do it until my last

breath.

And I don't know why I had to be the one

that opens it. the door. I don't know. I

will never know. Nobody will tell me.

Nobody will explain me.

But I did it and I will continue

as long as I have the strength.

But it's uh it's very very uh complex.

It's u it's not as easy as it looks, you

know.

>> No, it's not. you you have been such an

inspiration to so many people and I want

to highlight your comment. I didn't

expect to be crying this much before

11:00 a.m.

>> I'm sorry.

>> No, no, I'm sorry.

>> No, it's uh you're just you're you're

such a powerful speaker, Beatatric, and

you don't even know how many lives

you've saved personally. one story

getting hundreds of millions of views.

Just for yourself, just think how many

young women, young men who may have been

in a position of sexual or have been

victimized that have just read your

story and been inspired to come forward.

So, I don't think a person like

yourself, you've saved one life. I think

you've saved hundreds, thousands, an

uncountable number of lives. and what

you've done is so important and powerful

for those people. And I think I mean my

whole life I've I I haven't been a a

person that believes in anything really

like a a god or a universe. I I really

didn't until I I got sober and kind of

found not religion but that there was

something that had given me a purpose.

Part of that purpose has been exposing

these things to my followers. That's why

I've kind of dedicated and I've spent

tons of money producing these

documentaries and driven myself to the

point of insanity doing all working

every single day on on these stories for

the last few years. But when you say I

don't know why I was the one and this is

just my opinion, I feel like that's

because you were meant to be that

person. Whether it's some sort of higher

universe or energy or something, you

were meant to bring this to light and

look at what you've done. You've you've

done it all and it's growing every

single day. So, I think you can you can

sit at the end of the day and and know

that what you've done is not only

enough, but it's having it's brought us

together. Like, here I am in Texas

talking to you.

>> Yes. Absolutely. It brought us together.

Yeah. Yeah. that that's that's really

what it is. And I I believe that with

with my my heart. I know it's kind of

cheesy, but I'm just so glad.

>> Thank you so much for your words. It's

it's amazing. I I I I really appreciate

this human uh touch that you have. You

know, it's getting so so lost the the in

this modern modern times. But it's

important you know at the end of the day

we are all human and we are supposed to

be different from animals because of

that human element that would make us

think normally and behave normally and

that's exactly the point that you were

making. You know, I don't know why I had

to do this. And when I started when I

when I just told my story, I had no idea

that this Pandora box is going to bring

all these victims. I didn't know that it

is a a connection worldwide. I didn't

know anything. You would have told me

that Beatus just sit down 5 minutes

think about it because it's going to

bring a huge mess you know maybe I would

have been scared and then I wouldn't

have done it and this is also a very

important point being scared that's why

I forbid myself to see him as a

president I only see the man that I met

so that the fear never becomes stronger

than my than my my my power because

otherwise the fear is always too it's

going to kill everything you know and

each time fear comes up I fight against

it and I say to myself no Beatress you

are not alone the journalists are here

the podcaster are here victims are with

you everybody's with you you know we we

we are groups of of women of if it's

from Epstein side or from the from the

Trump side and we all have families, we

all have children, we we all fight for

the same, you know, and one day I think

the majority of the people are going to

wake up because now we are in a in a in

a position where he does he didn't only

did he he didn't only do bad to women or

children but he is doing bad for

America, he has taken America in

hostage.

You guys, you are bleeding because of

him. And I guess this is what it takes

that the real America wakes up and that

America says, "Oh my god, this is just

not just about women. It is about our

country. It's about our It's about us

Americans because he's hurting you now.

And you don't even realize he has taken

you in hostage." And many people don't

realize

but I think now with with everything

that is going on you are going to wake

up because it's touching everybody now

it's not just me it's not just the 20 28

or the thousandth of Egstein we are

talking about you American

and you are over 300 million

I mean in this 300 million there should

be some human beings too no

>> you would imagine

>> who understand that we are we are all

[ __ ] and not only you American but

also the entire world is [ __ ] and we

are because of one person how can the

entire planet be because of one normally

it's the opposite but we are we have

only one to fight and today it's not me

it's not me anymore I just opened the

door but today you Americans you have to

ask yourself the right question. Are you

going to let yourself killed on the

street? Are you going to let yourself

starve of hunger? Are you going to let

your your children die from no health uh

insurance? And and and the list is huge

while he is putting he all this money in

his pockets. I mean, after this

interview, I think I'm dead. I'm not

going to survive.

But this is my opinion.

You guys, you are now feeling it on your

own skin. And if you don't feel it, you

are not human. And those who feel it,

those should stand up. And I tell you,

if I am dead, I have never I have never

had the intention of of myself or I'm

not I have never been. So that this is

also done and said it has been written

by all the journalists in Italy, in

France, in in Switzerland, everywhere. I

am not.

But what I am saying I know that is

going to hurt and he will not like it. I

know that. But the 300 million Americans

that you are, guys, wake up.

>> That's that's for me. Like it seems like

it seems like Epstein would be the

shaking, you know, wake the up like what

are we doing to most people? But

>> finally he's a good one. He's a good guy

in the story. Yeah.

>> Yeah. They

>> finally he is taking the good part.

Absolutely. And this is this is totally

uh crazy, you know, that we have come so

far that he we we we we wake up, you

know. This is exactly what I was also

thinking last uh last day. I was like

talking with with uh friends of mine and

I was like but finally this guy he he

has brought us where we should have been

for a long time

>> unintentionally too.

>> Of course. Intentionally. Of course. But

finally he brought us there you know but

you guys you are in hostage. But he was

right. They were besties. Absolutely.

>> Oh yeah. No, that goes to the beginning

of your story. That's uh what we're

talking about.

>> Yeah. Yeah. No, no, it's very complex.

All this is so complex and I wish I had

the power to change many things. And um

I'm just a little fish, you know, in a

big ocean. The world has to wake up

because um this is a supremacy and

dominance and then a system that will

only bring us to the end very quickly

and uh it's not going to to help us. uh

this kind of this kind of art of the

deal as as he calls it. This is no deal.

There is no win-win nowhere only for

him. A good deal is when you have a

win-win. But he never did a good win-win

uh deal. Never. It was always in his

favor and he continues now on a huge

scale and it's uh it's more and more

dangerous. I think America and and the

world has to wake up. It's not normal.

It's it's just not normal and we cannot

allow that to continue.

>> So, I have a ton of people who listen to

my show on on different platforms and I

always get comments from individuals who

were trafficked when they were younger

or they weren't even necessarily

trafficked but they were by a family

member or you know just suffered

violence at the hands of whoever. So,

what would you do you have words of

encouragement for those people

specifically that might be listening to

this episode? Like what they're what

they should do? Because I always

encourage them and I say, you know, I'm

just really glad you're here and I'm so

thankful that you're even just present

to be able to tell your story. But like

what what would the next step be for

someone who's listening who has

experienced something like that? um

because I feel like they're obviously

going to be inspired by your story.

>> I think the the the main point is you

are not alone and this is something that

helps a lot so that you find a place

where you can talk about it with

specialists with uh groups of uh chats

with uh other survivors um with um also

groups of legal uh teams. There is a lot

that has been put in place now. there is

a lot going on because of these new

windows you know that have been created

in a few states. It's the same for for

Epstein and Trump or even anonymous uh

people. If you don't want to go under

because you suffer and the pain you

have, you have to put it out. And this

is the only advice that I can give. I

have kept it for within in me for so

long that it almost made me uh go under

because of that. But I was lucky that I

was very busy and I had a great life, a

great family. And at at a certain stage,

I said to myself, if I'm not letting

this out, it's going to kill me from

inside. And don't do the same mistake.

Go and get help. Go and speak to uh to

other victims. Uh we are many on the on

the social media and um many are helpful

and many will show you the way to go and

to do the right thing and especially to

work on yourself and don't keep it

inside because it's like a time bomb. It

can and will explode one day. It's just

a question of time and there will be a

moment that it brings it out and don't

bring it so far. If you suffered, go and

get help and please please contact all

those who you think could help you from

the side of the survivors of or legal

teams because now it is the time. You

know, it has never been that better time

than now. And I think all those who who

suffered they need also uh support of

specialist go and get the help you need.

There is help out there. There is a lot

of help but you have just to go and and

find it out what is the best for you

know and most of all don't fear. You are

not the problem and you are not guilty.

And this is something that has to change

in the head of all victims. We are not

guilty.

The guilt is on the other side. And the

day you change the part of the guilt,

it's the day you become strong. And it's

the day you can start to fight. And most

of all, you become another person or you

find your real self again. And this is

very surprising journey I must say. I I

am myself discovering lots of parts of

myself that I had to keep keep quiet for

so many years because of the interest of

parents, of the interest of family, of

the interest of the job, of the interest

of everybody except my interest. Nobody

ever asked me for my interest or if I am

in pain or if I am suffering. Nobody you

know but you have the right to give you

the importance you deserve and that day

you will become someone new. you will

become finally free you know and this is

also a procedure it can take a long time

and first you go very much down and then

one day you start to climb and you to

come up you know it's a long procedure

but I tell you all those who are victims

out there today they have so many

possibilities

so many that we never had never we

didn't have anything

you

We had nothing. We didn't didn't even

have the family to talk about. But you

are now in an era where you can talk,

you can find solution, you can h find

help. And don't wait until it destroys

you from inside. That's uh that's my my

message for them because uh in my

experience uh I should have come before

but today finally I say to myself

when I see this evolution from one year

from the first article in the daily mail

and today finally it was the right

timing. It was not too early. It was not

too late. It was just in time and I am

glad that it happened exactly how it

happened. Even though I servered like a

dog for years

but now I have the impression it is the

right moment. It would have been 2 years

before 3 years before it wouldn't have

come out the way it came out. You know,

it's like when the stars are all

aligned, now they are aligned

and now we can move things which was

which were impossible in the past. It

was just impossible. No way we could

make it 10 years ago, impossible. 20

years ago, impossible. 30 years even

more impossible. And um this is the good

news for all those who suffer outside is

that you have this chance and you have

these stars aligned

and it's now. The time is now for you.

And don't be scared. Even there are days

that are very bad. There are days that

are difficult. There are days you don't

want to get up.

But the next day the sun is shining

and all of a sudden you get good news

and all of a sudden it works and all of

a sudden everything you have been

fighting for takes a form.

But there are some days it's not easy

and especially at the beginning it was

very bad because at the beginning we had

the impression that he's winning. He's

winning and now finally

everybody sees that he's losing. It's

just a question of time

because there is a law of truth and the

law of truth is always stronger than the

bad

and sometimes you don't have to do

anything. It happens. Karma comes. You

cannot you cannot uh uh uh force karma.

Karma is coming alone. And especially

the the the past, you know, when you do

things in the past that are bad, one day

it comes and it it gets you. We

survivors, we know that. There are

people who are paying the price.

Not everybody talks about it, but there

are many people who are paying the

price. And

they think they are still strong because

there is a group of evil people who are

together and who are still working uh

against us.

>> But the light is

>> Yeah. And the light is stronger. It has

always been stronger always. It's just a

question of time. And also when you

think all these women in the government

who work against uh uh the epitin files,

they are mothers, they are women and

still they go against the other women.

It's not normal. It's not normal. And

all all those they they will one day

they will pay the price. We are supposed

to be uh uh to have a certain solidarity

among women, you know. But no, they come

against us, you know. I mean a pan bondi

for example they she could have brought

the files 100 times on the table but no

she's still not doing it

>> and she said she had the list.

>> She she said from the very beginning she

said from the very beginning she has

everything and still the survivors have

to fight to write letters to push push

push push.

But you know in this kind of situation

you should never underestimate the

people who suffered because people who

suffered they try to find solution

themselves and find um evidence by

themsel and it will come the other way

around I guess if the normal way doesn't

work and also journalists say the same

they take us for stupid okay so we do

the the research we do the investigation

we do everything

you know and there are journal who are

still working on it and who worked for a

long time also to bring out what is what

is out there but it's only a fraction of

uh uh what they still have um in their

offices and uh uh where they are

investigating

and there is so much more and that's the

reason why they don't want us to know

the more they don't want us because uh

you know normally in Switzerland when

you have only 0.001%

of what he did. You are in jail for 400

years

and uh he's still president. So um

something is wrong. Something is really

wrong.

>> Yeah.

>> With zero 0.001%

you are already in jail. You are in

jail. You don't you don't play the

president anymore. You know,

>> when I was uh 18, I got arrested for

half a gram having half a gram of

marijuana on me

>> for threatening me with a whole charge

and ended up getting dropped. But

>> I got arrested for something like that.

and someone can be credibly accused by

dozens of people of sexual assault and

not even be brought in for questioning

is absurd.

>> You know, they all play the same game.

It's like they they learned it by heart,

you know, uh do everything so that these

people don't get too close to us and uh

we keep the distance. We create an image

that is not uh real. We create

everything. We delete everything that is

not good and uh one day everything comes

back.

>> It always the darkness always whatever's

done in the dark gets brought into the

light.

>> Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

>> So I'm just waiting on that

>> in this case.

>> Yeah. And uh I I am confident that um at

least a part will come. You know in

French uh uh we say um time will tell,

you know. And um this is really a game

on on the time you know sometimes time

is running out but uh in this case um

time will tell and we are getting closer

and closer. I mean uh when I when I

think about a year ago and today we know

much more we we saw much more uh many

things happened already. Many things

moved of course not uh in a high speed

level but it moved. It's like a little

bit a revolution in the palace, you

know. And uh

>> for revolution times, it always takes uh

a little bit longer. It never there is

no revolution that happened within a

half an hour.

>> A half an hour. Yeah, it's true. That'

be a very very fast revolution, let me

tell you.

>> Yeah, exactly. Speedy Gonzalez

revolution.

>> It's been just incredible listening to

you, Beatatrice. Um, I want to get to

those last few because you're writing a

a book as well. Do you want to talk

about

>> It's written already. Yeah, it's written

already and uh it's coming out this

year. I can only say one thing. Get

ready for it.

>> Oh, I'll be ready. I'm I'm ready right

now. get ready because um what I saw,

what I witnessed, what I experienced

in this ' 90s

era of predators and jungle. Um it's uh

just get ready. That's all I can say.

>> I'm excited to read read everything and

I'm sure that we'll end up talking again

once

>> Yeah, that would be great. Absolutely.

Absolutely. That would be great. Yeah.

And I also I do want you to think of me

less like uh someone who just wants to

interview you, but also just as a

friend. If you have anything you want me

Oh, yeah. Thank you so much.

>> Reach out. Like I'm not just here for

the show.

>> So if I'm ever in Switzerland, I would I

know Courtney and I would love to uh to

meet up with you and maybe get dinner.

>> Oh, you come anytime. I will show you

around. If it's summer, winter,

whatever. There is so much to do. Uh I

would love to meet your wife as well. Oh

yes absolutely that would be great. You

know this is exactly the point you know

at the end of the day we are human

beings you know and this tragedy has

brought us together. You have uh

experienced even worse with all the

interviews you did with all the

witnesses. I mean you are a strong

person. I don't know how you do it. It's

amazing what you are doing also on your

side. I I very much appreciate and uh I

I read it and I follow it and and I must

say I am always shocked and um I

sometimes suffer also and it's the worst

when you see that much pain but you do

an amazing job an amazing job and uh and

it's it's not easy for you either I

guess uh these are not normal times huh

really not and uh I think um you are

very strong to do what you are doing and

the stories you are covering. You are

amazingly strong. I tell you, you are

strong.

>> Yeah. It's uh just working on these two

documentary series that I've been

producing. It's like I spend almost

every minute of my workday every day uh

going through these allegations of not

not only with the I mean the rings that

we're covering are like Epstein but just

disconnected but there they still went

up to the the White House in the 80s and

the 70s and these involve like kids that

were um according to witnesses murdered

and it's it's really horrific.

Um,

>> oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god.

>> disturbing stuff. But

>> yeah. Yeah,

>> I'm I'm excited to be able to use my

platform, which I built on a completely

different topic, which is obviously the

paranormal. Um, but I'm I've been I've

just really enjoyed having this reach

and being able to amplify voices and

stories and truth to people where I feel

like instead of, you know, I've I've

impacted a lot of people with the

paranormal and kind of how people view

life and death and all that, but it's

it's a totally different, more

fulfilling work for me to actually be

able to interact with real people and

and do like these stories that no one

will talk about like I see these people

with huge platforms and they're just so

they're just silent on these issues

which I get it. It's really dark and

kind of a heavy topic but still if if

every huge influencer started talking

about this stuff uh there would be a lot

more outrage I would imagine than what

we have now cuz people are mad but it's

like why why aren't we having Epstein

protests? Why aren't we getting out in

the streets and doing these like with uh

I don't know if you're really familiar

with the Mark Drew ring. Do you know

that?

>> Yeah.

>> Like the white the white marches and all

of that like why be doing something like

that for Epstein. It's it blows my mind.

>> Oh, it's I tell you, you have you have

gone from paranormal to crazy normal. Uh

>> crazy.

>> Um and and and you know there there was

a podcaster today that I was listening

to. He said you know if there is one

person talking about it he's going to be

killed. If there are five they are going

to be killed but if we are many they

cannot kill us all. And this is exactly

what we are talking about. You know if

everybody talks about it, if everybody

writes about it, then we are getting

closer and closer because for me, you

know, these kind of uh positions um when

you look up at people, they have to be

clean, they have to be respectful, uh

they have to be, you know, you you have

to be able to respect them. But with

within these conditions now, you cannot

respect any of them up there. And um

that's the point you know you either

have uh at the top people you you can

say okay he's great he's doing this for

the country and he saved this and uh you

know but when you are only on the

destruction and and destroy and destroy

from morning till evening then you have

to ask yourself the right questions you

know because the way he came in he can

also go out it's just a question of

doing it you No, but maybe at the very

end if you allow me I would just add the

four or five points that I wanted to to

add if you if you agree

>> please.

>> So the first one is Ellen Musk. Ellen

Musk if you are listening and if you are

a man I repeat Ellen Musk if you are a

man

press the reset button of my ex account

number two Mark Zuckerberg yes Mark

Tuckerberg if you are listening stop

shadowbanning my Insta account I repeat

Mark Zuckerberg stop shadow shadow

banning my Insta account. To both of

them, Ellen and Mark, I did nothing

wrong. Absolutely nothing except of

telling my story which is a true story.

And then there are two points, three

points that I would like to say meru.

First to all the people around the world

and for their kindness and also for the

fact that they support us survivors.

They understand us. It is amazing to

have your comments. It is amazing to

know that you are there with us. And

then also another meu to you podcast to

journalists around the world. Please

continue to stand with us victims and

survivors.

They made the difference in in this

difficult times. I must say without them

we would not be at this table. And then

of course a big mercyu to you and to

your wife for everything you do for the

humanity because this is really now a

human issue. This is now a question of

surviving in our society and uh you play

a role Colleen. you play a huge role and

your wife too and uh this is not nothing

that you are doing and a big big mercy

buku to to you and to your time and uh

and your kindness and um and your

support and um I really appreciate and

of course if you come to Switzerland I

would love I would love to show you

around and our mountains and our lakes

and everything we have. Well, also a how

are you saying that? Mercy buku.

>> Mercy buku.

>> Mercy buku to you as well, Beatatrice.

Thank Thank you not only just for doing

this interview with me, but for

everything that you've done, and I know