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Crypto JUST made me lose EVERYTHING.

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holy crap i literally just got wiped out

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this is despite wearing dragon chain

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armor

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boy there are lessons in this loss that

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i really hope that you take with you

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forever

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this is a loss that is really a 99 loss

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that should have been avoidable after

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all warren buffett tells us the number

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one rule of investing is don't lose

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money and the number two rule of

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investing is don't forget rule number

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one

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well

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i failed on number one and on number two

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now i was fortunate to sell all of my

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cryptocurrency and my profit less

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technology companies or smaller cap

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companies in january to avoid an

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additional 70 to 80 losses that would

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have exceeded the white about that we're

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about to talk about but

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the reasons that i got wiped out in this

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particular investment completely wiped

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out

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are big lessons

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now first for you to understand this you

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need a bit of background do you remember

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the tara luna stablecoin meltdown it was

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a stable coin with a value at one point

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of almost 60 billion dollars 60 billion

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dollars is four times the amount of

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money that kathy wood manages it is half

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the size of amd amd is a 120 billion

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dollar company tara luna a stable coin

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got to

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60 billion dollars that's a lot of money

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and all of it disappeared

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and when that disappeared and that

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stable coin melted down crypto

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brokerages lost massive amounts of money

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lending their money to uncertain

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entities like three arrows capital that

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just vanished with that 1.18 billion

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dollars under management and led these

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crypto brokerages to near collapse or as

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some might say no collapse

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now

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you know what's really sad about this

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is watch this watch this three-minute

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clip from march of 2021 15 months ago

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when i described what could happen to

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stable coins and companies that i

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nicknamed like voyager digital and

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crypto phi nicknames i gave voyager

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digital and block fi who are making

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waves of their own today listen to the

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clip uninterrupted we think hey it's

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pegged to the dollar it's pegged to the

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dollar one uh one to one and if it's

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pegged to the dollar one to one it's

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kind of like having cash except it's

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kind of like a high yield savings

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account but that's the problem it's not

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it's a loan if they made you sign a

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document saying you agreed to lend this

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and you could lose all of it people

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probably would be less inclined to do

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this but that's all in the fine print

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they just say hey sign up and earn

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interest on your cryptocurrency it

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sounds so wonderful they don't make it

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clear that this is actually a loan now

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that doesn't become a problem because

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right now your gusd doesn't fluctuate in

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value because it's pegged to the dollar

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and the markets are working normally

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prices are going up you've got nothing

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to worry about because as prices go up

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there there usually isn't stress in the

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markets right so when does this become a

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problem well let's say sally says you

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know what i'm going to get some margin

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i'm going to buy bitcoin for 100

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i'm going to get 25 of margin from

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voyager here and i'm going to have 125

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invested in bitcoin now let's say

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bitcoin goes from 55k to 5k that's a big

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drop it's about 91 right well this is

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going to go down 90 to about 12.50 what

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happens now well now sally gets wiped

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out sally got destroyed and this could

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be a flash crash this could be a day

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sally instantly gets destroyed because

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you have smart contracts that instantly

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take your money away give it to voyager

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the problem is voyager is left with an

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asset that's worth a whole lot less than

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what they thought it would ever be worth

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so now they only have 12.50 they just

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lost money when a company or an

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institutional investor loses money and

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this happens at scale amongst hundreds

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or thousands of different client

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accounts because we have no idea how

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many people are margin we don't get that

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kind of transparency

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from the system we don't know we don't

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know how often this gusd is lent out

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over and over again we have no idea

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let's say voyager goes bankrupt okay

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voyager goes bankrupt because they're

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like wow we just tell all these margin

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losses well cryptofy is probably going

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to have some issues as well but i'll

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tell you the first thing that's going to

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happen kevin and michael are going to be

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like

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oh crap please let me have my gusd back

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and all of a sudden we're gonna see a

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lot of people instantly demand

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redemptions they're gonna want yo give

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me turn my gusd into dollars right now

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the market's crashing i'm freaking out

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okay now and i know some of you are

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gonna think kevin come on the same stuff

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happens in fractional reserve banking

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hold that thought okay i'm going to put

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a little note down here fractional

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reserve banking we're going to talk

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about fractional reserve banking

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hold that thought because there's a

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massive difference quite a few actual

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massive differences here so what happens

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now now you've got two people who think

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they have 100 of gusd in the bank

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they're like i want to redeem okay well

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what happens gemini and crypto if i say

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hey look we're in a crisis right now no

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redemptions literally no redemptions

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they could do that it's happened before

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look at bitfinex bitfinex a chinese

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company uses tether as their stablecoin

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and in october of 2018 they stopped

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allowing deposits and so nobody was able

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to convert uh us dollars or chinese

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dollars or whatever euros into tether

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and the one-to-one peg of the tether

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collapsed it went down as low as 85

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cents to one dollar and there was no

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market crash bitcoin was stable around

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six thousand dollars when that happened

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no credit no crash no collapse and

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tether loses 15 percent

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boom like that but wait a minute it's

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pegged to the dollar okay you think

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kevin and michael are gonna be able to

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go to the fed and go yo i demand my usd

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no fed's gonna laugh you they're gonna

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laugh you out of the bank like get out

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of here we we did not bestow our trust

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on the gusd you tried to inherit trust

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of the usd you tried to inherit the

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sovereign banking the uh the backing of

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the full faith and credit of the united

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states via a stable coin but it doesn't

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work that way quick example i have let's

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say a thousand of these erasers and i

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say hey i will always pay you one dollar

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for this eraser right here because the

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value of this eraser is pegged to the

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dollar cool who are you trusting the us

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government or me

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you're trusting me if i go bankrupt

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worthless

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same could happen here you get

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institutional bankruptcies the value of

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those underlying coins which are

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corporate controlled these this is not

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government control they're corporate

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controlled usdc is a consortium they're

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private companies that control usdc

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gemini private company that controls the

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gemini coin it's not a government the

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government cares about

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the people corporations care about

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themselves so i was acutely aware of the

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danger of stable coins so much so that

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people in the comment sections regular

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told me that i was just a fudder when it

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came to stable coins that they're always

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redeemable for either in the case of

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tara luna juan luna or in the case of

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things like usdc one dollar

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well today folks are sending me a lot of

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tweets saying things like it looks like

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your prediction from 2021 may be playing

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out and they're showing me charts

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describing exactly the issue that i

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explained from the video of march of

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2021

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unfortunately

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i couldn't even protect myself

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now for those of you wondering about

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this chart you know with usdc on it

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personally i don't believe that usdc has

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massive issues until bitcoin gets closer

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to sub 10 000 probably around 5 000 then

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this chart from usdc could play out as

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well so there's there's still more

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damage to be done to cryptocurrency

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valuations but

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there's something propping up

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cryptocurrency valuations right now that

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might not last very long we'll talk

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about that as well but let's go back to

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me so what did i do after march of 2021

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well i did exactly what i said i would

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do i would stay away from stable coins

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i'm like hell no no stable coins for me

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that is just lending money and lending

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money is stupid see i come from a real

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estate background and my understanding

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is that when you lend money you might

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not get your money back

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so i didn't want to be a lender

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i wanted to be

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the broker i wanted to be involved with

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like hey we'll make you make the loans

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but i don't want to be the lender and

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this is interesting because not only am

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i a licensed real estate broker but i

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used to be a licensed loan originator a

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licensed mlo who brokers loans

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and so

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this

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kept me researching the issue and

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looking for opportunities to invest in

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this market without being in stable

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coins so i interviewed people whom i

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thought would know better than me here's

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me with the ceo of block five you know

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we're not we're not building a business

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that's focused on extracting as much

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value as we can today or tomorrow we're

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really thinking about a relationship

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with our clients over the next five 10

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20 years and so that's what's important

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to us

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so

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you know i think our our scale and

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capitalization and experience in risk

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management is something that really

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stands apart from other

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uh folks uh that operate in this market

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nice so yeah i mean that's interesting

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because uh when the market crashed there

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in march there's no fed coming in to

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bail out the crypto market right there's

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no lender of last resort

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it sounds like that was almost you guys

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so you guys were liquid

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yeah i mean look we're the we're the

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largest um and and we you know we think

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of ourselves as

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uh certainly a company that's interested

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in growing more client relationships and

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offering more products to our clients

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and being successful from a

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uh from a capitalistic perspective but

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we also view ourselves as a company

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that's a

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you know uh an increasingly important

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part of this crypto ecosystem and that

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comes with

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uh certain responsibilities here's me

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with the ceo of voyager digital

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would you say then the vast majority of

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the money that you're lending out is

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going to these these larger institutions

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that are doing this trading it's it's

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not like you know

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joe the ice cream vendor is getting my

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bitcoin and if you know it's it's a cold

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winter day he's going bankrupt i have

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risk

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yeah we don't do any of that we're not

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we're straight to these big institutions

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that was the it's the risk parameters

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we've set as a public company and why

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it's easy to see it in our disclosures

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and our financials you know we just uh

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put out our december financials got

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posted on canadian cedar

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the other day on monday as did on the

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otc market so people can see all the

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data and like i said it's only big

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institutions because we don't want to

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carry that risk for our consumers

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here's me with the crypto analyst at

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kathy woods arc invest

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why can

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blockfi or some of these other companies

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voyage or whatever why can they pay me

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six percent interest just for holding

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bitcoin there is this is this bit

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connect all over again is this a ponzi

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what's going on here

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yeah that's a good question

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uh i i would say a few things that the

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first is

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there's a

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there's a mis

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a misperception between

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offering annualized rates

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and annual

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rates so like what's funny is like the

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six percent annualized

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it's at any given time but you're going

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to see massive fluctuations that might

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end up converging towards two or three

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percent over the year um

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the second thing is that you know there

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is huge custody risk

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um and people are taking massive risks

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by custodying it um in

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um you know a in in in sort of a

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counterparty and so i mean we and we've

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seen we've seen like hacks and leaks um

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in security leaks uh from users who end

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up trying to generate yields by going to

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these more esoteric products um with

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block fi specifically um again i'm not i

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would say i'm not the perfect person to

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speak but i i've like followed zach

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prince who's their ceo and and they've

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done they've done tremendous things

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they're doing uh they found an

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inefficiency in the market um and i

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think because we're so early

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and crypto first companies aren't

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actually as integrated into the

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traditional financial system

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as what we might see

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um you know in a few years there's still

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some significant arbitrage opportunities

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uh that users are capitalizing on and

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they all told me the same thing yes

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there's counterparty risk for the

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stablecoin but you have to trust the

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institution you have to trust how good

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and protected blockfi is going to be

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when we just issue margin calls blockfi

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one of the you know most critical pieces

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of technical infrastructure that we've

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built is our risk management

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infrastructure which one's 24 7. it's

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connected to liquidity and when prices

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are volatile in either direction it

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issues warnings and margin calls and

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ultimately liquidations to folks who

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have borrowed from us and those

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liquidations occur before

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the value of the loan is higher than the

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value of the collateral voyager lends to

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safe people

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like three arrows capital

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if there's ever a problem it's the

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borrower who will get screwed because

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they'll just get margin called and again

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i should have reminded myself of what i

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said in march of 2021

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because i even said the words

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let's say voyager goes bankrupt okay

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voyager goes bankrupt because they're

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like wow we just have all these margin

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losses and now guess what's happening

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voyager got an emergency bailout loan

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and it's limiting withdrawals from its

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customers like i said redemptions would

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get stopped

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they're like i want to redeem okay well

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what happens gemini and crypto phi say

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hey look we're in a crisis right now no

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redemptions literally no redemptions

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they could do that it's happened before

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blockfi got an emergency bailout loan

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from sam bankman freed the founder of

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ftx and tara luna is at zero now usdc is

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still fine but the path to destruction

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is written if btc keeps falling in my

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opinion is

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usdc breaks as well at btc 5k

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until then bailouts from companies like

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ftx his founder sam bankman freed or

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binance can keep crypto afloat they're

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basically acting like the federal

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reserve

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which remember when i said you're going

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to wish you had a jay pal

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who is referred to as the lender of last

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resort well guess what cnbc is now

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calling the founder of ftx

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yup the lender of last resort just like

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jpow but even sam bankman free doesn't

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have a money printer like jaypal so that

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means his support is more limited than

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what jaypal can do sam bankman freed

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might be able to help prop the crypto

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economy up around 19 000 bitcoin as a

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strong support but what happens when his

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support stops what happens when true

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panic spreads because there's no sam

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bankman free to make sure voyager

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digital can allow people to at least

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remove some of their money from the

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platform

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tbd

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but how did i get wiped out already i

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couldn't even make it to the end and i

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was the one ringing the bell of the

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warnings so how the hell did i get

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screwed well after talking to the ceo of

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voyager blockfi and other crypto

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analysts i thought the safest investment

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was in the institutions the worst case

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the people lending their stable coins

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would get screwed but the brokers

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transacting it would be fine you lend

15:14

the money lender gets screwed broker

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still keeps the commission well that

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real estate style thinking got me wiped

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out because in may of 2021 i agreed to

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invest in block fi as a venture capital

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investment i invested four hundred

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twenty thousand six hundred ninety

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dollars into blockfi which is more than

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other people invested when they say they

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did things like starting a bank or

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buying a bank you could do that with

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little investments like 25 50 100 200k

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no i didn't even talk about my

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investment and i've still put

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hundred 420

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dollars into block five here's my wire

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and cnbc

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just released a wonderful article saying

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that block fi is now in such distress

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because of the three arrows capital

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margin call and that margin call not

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working out and that good old risk

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management from blockfi not working out

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so

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you know uh i think our our scale and

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and capitalization and experience in

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risk management is is something that

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really uh

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stands apart from other

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folks

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that operate in this market blackfy is

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now being sold for less than 99 of its

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prior valuation potentially all to sam

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bankman freed for just 25 million

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dollars and all the venture capital

16:34

investments are wiped out well folks it

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looks to me i can pat myself on the back

16:40

i was 100 percent right my fundamental

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analysis was absolutely correct

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except i still lost everything

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these are these are these are laughs of

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pain

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see three things went wrong

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this was a venture capital funding which

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meant i had no liquidity

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i

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wanted to be liquid in crypto so i tied

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myself up into venture capital which has

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no liquidity

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see once you're in a fund you're locked

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up in fact i

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regretted my decision as early as

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september of 2021 when i grew concerned

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more concerned about stable coins but i

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was told that my money wasn't in shares

17:18

themselves that i just had ownership

17:21

interest in a fund that owned the shares

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uh in block five and therefore i could

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not sell my shares on equity zen a place

17:29

you can sell shares

17:30

number two i ignored the collateral

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damage that would occur if my stablecoin

17:35

belief was correct this was a huge blind

17:37

spot i was correct about stablecoins

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collapsing

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but didn't realize that they would take

17:42

the ship down with them this was a large

17:45

blind spot and i paid the price dearly

17:47

for that number three i didn't follow up

17:49

on the red flags of the companies being

17:51

able to explain their yield strategies

17:53

numerous times in interviews i

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complained that it just seemed odd that

17:56

they were able to pay people six to ten

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percent on stable coins yet they somehow

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weren't taking larger risks elsewhere

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well by being blind to these three

18:08

issues i couldn't even save myself

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