Prepare for the Fed's RUG PULL *This Friday*
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let's take a listen to what the Federal
Reserve I just had to say on CBS faced
the nation and then what we're going to
do is we're going to look at some world
and Global reactions to what's going on
in the financial markets especially
what's going on with China where's all
that inflation that we were supposed to
be getting from China some other impacts
we've got really great piece that we're
going to go through right after we
listen to Neil kashgari on CBS so let's
take a listen here add some commentary
as a helpful here we go in New York with
these failed Banks doesn't Exist
Elsewhere in the country
the banking system is resilient and it's
sound the banking system has a strong
Capital position and a lot of liquidity
and has the full support of the Federal
Reserve and other Regulators standing
behind it now I'm not saying that all of
the stresses are behind us I expect this
process will take some time but
fundamentally the banking system is
sound this process what do you mean by
that
well when when tensions flare up in the
banking system and stresses emerge uh we
often hope that they'll be resolved very
very quickly sometimes it takes longer
for all the stresses to work their way
out of the system so we know that there
are other banks that have some uh
exposure to long-dated treasury bonds
who have some duration risk as they call
it on their books we also know that
commercial real estate there are a lot
of commercial real estate assets in the
banking sector and there are some losses
that will probably work its way through
the banking sector so that process will
take time to fully become clear but
fundamentally the banking system has a
lot of capital to be able to withstand
those pressures
one of the things I think is so great is
that as treasury eels have actually
plummeted over the last a few uh days
here uh through the banking crisis the
value of bonds that banks are holding
has actually gone up so you're actually
by having a banking crisis you're
creating less risk of the furtherance of
the banking crisis
and you mentioned commercial real estate
because so many of these mid-sized banks
are lenders in that space so that could
impact Construction in other words this
could have a real impact on the economy
does it tip us towards recession
well it definitely brings us closer
right now what's unclear for us is how
much of these banking stresses are
leading to a widespread credit Crunch
and then that credit crunch you're right
just as you said would then slow down
the economy this is something we are
monitoring very very closely now on one
hand such strains could then bring down
inflation so we have to do less work
with the federal funds rate to bring the
economy into balance but right now it's
unclear how much of an imprint these
banking stresses are going to have on
the economy
you know what I think is so remarkable
is that back in January of 21 we looked
at history and history gave us this
remarkable outline it said look if
inflation is high force a recession and
inflation will go away when people
actually internalize that we're in a
recession what do they do they spend
less money and so either the velocity of
money goes down the total spending goes
down total GDP goes down whatever it
takes forcing a recession is a fantastic
way well I shouldn't say it's a
fantastic way because it's somewhat
painful but it is a way to solve
inflation that's because you're what
you're really doing is you're reducing
demand now there's the other argument
that you could just accommodate Supply
more but that's much more difficult the
FED can't really do much to affect
Supply Congress can but who really
thinks they can actually pull something
off here so far all they've been doing
is pulling off stemi checks for chips
and EVs and Energy Products which hey
fine with me because I've got a bunch of
stock in this but it's something to
watch very carefully and that's what
we're focused on and chairman Powell
said as much this past week at the
Federal Reserve that that tightening and
credit might be doing your work for you
in terms of slowing down the economy
does that mean it would make Neil
Kashkari hit the break on rate hikes at
your next meeting
well we have to see you know right now
the stresses are only a couple weeks old
there are some concerning signs the
positive sign is uh deposit outflows
seem to have slowed down uh some
confidence is being restored among
smaller and Regional Banks uh at the
same time we've seen the capital markets
have largely been closed for the past
two weeks if those Capital markets
remain closed because borrowers and
lenders remain nervous then that would
tell me okay this is probably going to
have a bigger imprint on the economy so
it's too soon to make a new forecasts
about the next interest rate meeting
that we have the next fomc yeah and I'll
tell you we're going to go through some
reports here in a moment on what some of
the reactions have been to this banking
crisis in terms of tightening lending
standards
and spoiler alert it's not seemingly to
be that big of a deal but we'll talk
about it with some reports in a moment
meeting but these are the factors that
I'm going to be most focused on you know
when it comes to confidence among
Americans in the system right now CBS
News just recently did a poll and only
15 percent of people pulled by us said
they had a lot of confidence in the
federal reserve's ability to manage
these banking issues why should the
public trust the FED now when this risk
to Banks was missed out in San Francisco
in New York and when the Fed was late to
the game on catching up with inflation
you know the covet pan pandemic has
thrown some curveballs at us that none
of us have experience in any of our
lifetimes and it has taken us time to
catch up and figure out exactly where
the economy is headed the interest rate
risk that brought down Silicon Valley
Bank is something that we've all been
very focused on we've been communicating
it to Banks all across the country for
the last couple years that interest
rates are going up and most banks have
done a much better job of managing their
risks in advance of those interest rates
going up and so there's still
uncertainty in the economy there are
still stresses you have a group of
people at the Federal Reserve who are
totally committed to our mandates to
committed to achieving the public
service responsibilities that we have
and we're going to continue to let the
data and the evidence guide us and that
is the best reassurance that I can give
is that a lot a group of people are
non-partisan focused on doing their very
best on behalf of the American economy
and American households you know what's
interesting is that you actually have an
incentive as a bank not to hedge your
Cur your uh interest rate risk because
when you hedge your interest rate risk
you have to take an expense when you
take an expense it makes your earnings
per share look lower which makes it look
like you're not performing as well as a
CEO of the company well the reality is
you're actually protecting the company
but if instead of taking an expense on
hedging risk you could just take your
losses and your your basically your bags
and hide them under hell to maturity
Securities then you don't have to book a
dime of losses
oopsie-doopsies that's exactly why you
get some of this uh drama unfolding uh
at uh base like Silicon Valley Bank
because people are scratching their ads
going why why did you not book any kind
of Hedge events oh well because that
would make your income and expenses look
less profitable and you were
incentivized via stock options or
bonuses or whatever to have the most
profitable p l so maybe there's some
accounting reform that some folks are
now calling for because the the
incentives are very skewed for banks but
we're about to see the first hearing on
Capitol Hill
this week about what just happened but
there were flashing warning site warning
signs out there at svb bank the Silicon
Valley Bank in the months leading up to
its failure on this program just earlier
today Senator Warner of Virginia who's
on the Banking Committee said The
Regulators missed basic banking 101 the
interest rate mismatch how could that
risk have been so missed by The
Regulators at the Federal Reserve in
Washington and in San Francisco
well I don't know any specifics about
the svb case because they're not
regulated by the Minneapolis fed and I
know Vice chair bar is conducting a
rigorous review to understand exactly
what happened it has been publicly
reported that the Federal Reserve did
take action specific to svb to get them
to address these exposures I don't know
more than that and I'm looking forward
to Michael Barr's review and his
findings which we're all going to take
very seriously I can tell you at the
Minneapolis fed we have conversations
with our bank supervisors and then with
the banks about these risks all the time
doesn't mean that we're not going to
make mistakes doesn't mean that we are
perfect but I know across the Federal
Reserve that bank supervisors have been
focused on these very exposures since
before the interest rate increases even
began last year well just on this
program last week Senator Warren says
she doesn't have confidence in Mary Daly
the San Francisco fed president
do you
I do I know Mary Daley exceptionally
well I've worked closely with her for
the last several years she's an
outstanding public servant committed to
helping all of us fulfill our mission
for the public nonetheless we have to
look at the findings that Vice chair bar
comes out with take those findings very
seriously all right we're going to back
off that and get into uh some of the uh
impacts that banks are expecting and
analysts and financial markets are
expecting you know kashgari doesn't go
on to say much more after that so one of
the first things that I'd like to
understand is how much do we actually
think this banking crisis is really
going to hit the economy uh and uh and
that's a big deal especially looking at
sort of GDP hey what what do we think in
terms of GDP uh and so there are a few
different analyzes Morgan Stanley
provides one Morgan Stanley suggests
that credit shocks will take a toll on
the economy but it will take time to
figure out how large those effects could
be however in their estimates we think
that this pullback in Bank lending which
was already underway we were already
seeing tightening and lending standards
this pullback could end up shaving off
about 10 basis points from GDP that's a
belief from Morgan Stanley however these
effects could end up taking a lot longer
to play out they actually think the
largest impacts could be felt around Q4
of 2023 and q1 of 24. this kind of leads
to this idea that maybe we have to be
more patient with when we actually think
the impacts of all of this hiking and
the credit squeeze will actually come
patience is probably the biggest thing
that I've learned in this cycle
especially I think we we all had this
memory out of covid or even how quickly
uh bailouts were instituted in 2009 we
had this more recent memory of quick
actions from The Fad quick actions uh
you know you had the September crisis in
2008 by February of 2009 the Fed was
running the money printer right in in
2018 as soon as there was a slight sign
of Market stress the FED turns around
runs the money printer covet pandemic it
wasn't even a matter of a few months it
was a matter of a few weeks before they
started writing the Monday printer so
this this idea of of the the fed you
turning is taking a lot longer and
because of the inflation that we're
seeing now which hopefully ends up
proving to be dare I say the word
transitory but take a look at Goldman
here Goldman also gives a projection a
little bit further out Goldman suggests
that we could see a tighter credit
reduced GDP by around four tenths of a
percent that's about four times as much
of the impact that Morgan Stanley thinks
uh but you could kind of make sort of a
range here and suggest that it looks
like analysts are thinking somewhere
between 0.1 to about 0.4 to the negative
on GDP is what we might expect from
tightness here as a result results of
these banking failures but anyway they
suggest that we're probably looking at
seeing this this hit somewhere around
the fourth quarter so again another
analysis where maybe that hit just
doesn't come as quickly as we think uh
and uh and it's unclear obviously how
much that hit will be Bank of America
talks about uh funding risks uh as well
a little bit of that credit Suite
squeeze uh they do talk about some of
the stabilization that we're seeing in
in banking since then but also Bank of
America thinking somewhere around a 25
basis point hit to GDP when it comes to
credit tightening so when you combine
all three of these Morgan Stanley
Goldman Sachs Bank of America clearly
the hit to GDP is probably going to be
somewhere between 0.1 to about 0.4 now
what's crazy about that is if we
actually look at the summary of economic
projections that the FED just gave us
they just lowered their forecasts for
GDP uh from 0.5
to
0.4 now the fascinating part about that
kind of hit is taking us to 0.4 if we
end up getting hit with a 0.4 reduction
like Goldman Sachs estimates but well
then oopsie doopsie you might be right
there at zero or even slightly negative
and that's where that recession is so
recession time are still looking like Q3
to q1 in that range this certainly does
as Neil keshkari said it push us closer
to that and you can see when you look at
the data fed thinks we're at a 0.4 GDP
is how we end the year Morgan Stanley
Bank of America Goldman altogether think
we're gonna have a hit of somewhere
between 0.1 to 0.4 percent because of
the banking crisis we're knocking on the
door recession could we be flat hey
taking flat is actually okay in a weird
way if you're flat and non-negative
you're not in a recessionary environment
so that'll be quite fascinating to see
play out uh but uh look I think they're
they're this is leading a lot of people
to call for the Fed to pause by May
that's the next time we actually see
from or hear from the uh fed and so we
can look at right monitors to see what
expectations are now but no going into
May these are where estimates estimates
are likely to be quite uh fluid for a
while for example you've got a one
Economist suggesting hey uh this is this
is let me see where did I write his name
I just have his citation over here I
wanted to reference him by name I lost
this citation anyway while I look for it
he's talking about how important it is
for the FED to actually pause uh here it
is it's uni credit an analyst over at
Uni credit says the FED should
definitely Pause by May to make sure we
have plenty of time to play out uh the
implications of this credit tightening
from the banking sector now if we look
at the Fed rate monitor it looks like we
have a 38 likelihood of getting another
25 BP hike and a 62 percent likelihood
of a pause right now which a pausing
right now would somewhat align with what
Jerome Powell hinted in the last press
conference where they had even started
to talk about the idea of a pause it's
the first time Jerome Powell has ever
mentioned a pause in this tightening
cycle and that was talked about at the
last meeting it was talked about at the
last press conference and it's actually
now more priced into markets than not
obviously markets are pricing in cuts by
the end of the year of around 100 basis
points the FED says we're not pricing in
any of those sorts of cuts and that's
likely because if the FED starts talking
about Cuts then people might start
spending stocks might start taking off
Financial conditions might loosen and
they could basically hurt the status quo
where we are now in other words if the
status quo stays stable right now
everything stays status quo right now
everything stays stable then potentially
inflation goes away but if the FED says
we're going to the Moon boys girls that
could have the opposite effect and
actually re-ager re-aggravate uh
inflation so I think those are some of
the concerns that Federal Reserve is
playing with right now to someone
manipulate potentially what's happening
in markets now we do have catalysts that
we want to pay attention to this week as
well there are quite a few specifically
the fed's preferred inflation Gauge pce
before I talk about the fed's preferred
inflation gauge it's worth noting we do
have earnings coming up this week as
well Carnival Cruise Lines this morning
Walgreens tomorrow morning with LoveSac
Dave and Buster shift Lulu after the
Bell tomorrow uh that's Tuesday
Restoration Hardware Wednesday after the
bell and on Thursday we'll get
blackberry and canoe we do have quite a
few data points coming out as well let's
take a look at Barclays they give us a
nice little sum up here of the various
different catalysts that we're going to
be looking for so today we'll have uh
fed Governor Jefferson a new fomc voter
discussing monetary policy at an event
at 5 PM Eastern that's after the market
closes we'll have wholesale inventories
coming out on Tuesday you can see the
projections right here the forecast is
for a growth of inventories of one tenth
of one percent
Advanced trade these are tomorrow's
catalysts here fhfa Federal housing
Administration over here
numbers we'll get those tomorrow okay
Schiller 20 City index for housing
prices
expected to actually come in at negative
a 0.6 year over year so your first
slight negative on the s p k Shiller
here starting to get that year over year
lapping uh keep in mind even the
treasury yields have followed mortgage
yields mortgage rates have been pretty
stable mostly because spreads risk
spreads have widened on mortgages
probably because banks are dumping mbs's
to try to increase their liquidity
positions anyway pending home sales
Wednesday Thursday we'll get a real GDP
uh the expectation is about 2.6 percent
for GDP we'll get initial jobless claims
looking at looking for 195. Barkin will
speak at an event on Thursday at 12 45
at the same time as Collins a non-voter
will give a speech so we'll get a voter
and non-voter on Thursday it's a little
bit of fed speak here and then here's
the important set and this is Friday
we'll be covering this live when the
data comes out but we're getting we'll
be getting the personal consumption
expenditures read on inflation that read
is expected to come in at 0.3 percent uh
that is the Barclays forecast the
consensus though is point four percent
and the the latest report was actually
0.6 so we'll hopefully see some
softening over here on PC uh the closer
comes into Barclays at point three the
better point three good point four
starts getting a little bit bad 0.5.6
not great remember if you multiply these
numbers by 12 you'll actually get your
annualized figure so if we get uh 0.3
we'll be sitting at somewhere around 3.6
pce inflation which is much closer to
two than obviously if you annualize 0.6
which comes in at 7.2 uh you'll also be
getting a core pce also looking to match
at about 0.3 uh consensus though on Wall
Street is 0.4 University of Michigan
estimates uh for inflation I actually
think I have the forecasts and the
consensus for that let me see here that
would be Friday Friday Friday Friday
Friday Friday Friday Friday University
of Michigan inflation expectations we
want to make sure they stay anchored
very important they stay anchored we do
not want any kind of runaway of
inflation expectations and the forecast
for the 31st is
uh one year inflation expectations three
point eight percent that's stable with
the prior read as the forecast is 2.8
stable with the prior read for the one
year out or sorry that's the five to ten
year inflation expectation so we could
fill these in right here uh actually uh
the forecast matches the latest here
which is three eight and uh two eight uh
for their forecast and consensus here so
uh then we'll have uh some more feds
speak as well look at all this fed speak
we get this week I mean a lot of
different fed speak again let's just
highlight the FED speak here so you've
got fed speak at 5 pm today uh fed
Governor Jefferson fomc voter new guy
we've got uh bar an fomc voter here
testifying before the house Financial
Services committee on Friday this should
actually be really interesting because
Barr is doing the investigation into the
banking drama so we'll be able to get
some banking updates over here
Williams uh at uh 3 P.M on Friday the
market will still be open then right at
close we'll get a Waller uh speaking at
a conference and then cook uh speaking
uh after the close on Friday as well for
more of a dinner event so this gives you
a little bit of an update on sort of
where the fed's head is obviously the
fed's head is likely to be in wait and
see mode we don't actually get another
fed Catalyst until the May event which
is May 3rd now interestingly that'll be
right between uh two CPI releases so
you're going to get the March data on
April 12th so mark your calendar for
April 12th and then the next CPI release
won't be until May 10th which will
actually be about a week after the next
fed press conference then you're going
to get the uh jobs data at the beginning
of may as well and the beginning of
April here coming again so mark your
calendar for April 7th for the next jobs
data and then the next jobs that after
that doesn't come out until May 5th
which is again after the next fomc uh
press conference on May 3rd now that's
interesting that means the next CPI on
April 12th and the next jobs report on
April 7th will actually be the only New
pieces of data we get uh the larger two
pieces of data there'll be a lot of
miscellaneous reports but in terms of
CPI and jobs those will be the only two
reports we get before the May fomc
meeting which means the next jobs and
the next CPI report will actually be on
the 7th and 12th will be pretty
important for trying to predict what the
FED is going to do come May 2nd so pay
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