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let's take a listen to what the Federal

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Reserve I just had to say on CBS faced

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the nation and then what we're going to

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do is we're going to look at some world

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and Global reactions to what's going on

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in the financial markets especially

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what's going on with China where's all

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that inflation that we were supposed to

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be getting from China some other impacts

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we've got really great piece that we're

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going to go through right after we

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listen to Neil kashgari on CBS so let's

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take a listen here add some commentary

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as a helpful here we go in New York with

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these failed Banks doesn't Exist

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Elsewhere in the country

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the banking system is resilient and it's

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sound the banking system has a strong

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Capital position and a lot of liquidity

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and has the full support of the Federal

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Reserve and other Regulators standing

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behind it now I'm not saying that all of

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the stresses are behind us I expect this

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process will take some time but

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fundamentally the banking system is

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sound this process what do you mean by

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that

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well when when tensions flare up in the

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banking system and stresses emerge uh we

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often hope that they'll be resolved very

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very quickly sometimes it takes longer

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for all the stresses to work their way

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out of the system so we know that there

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are other banks that have some uh

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exposure to long-dated treasury bonds

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who have some duration risk as they call

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it on their books we also know that

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commercial real estate there are a lot

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of commercial real estate assets in the

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banking sector and there are some losses

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that will probably work its way through

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the banking sector so that process will

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take time to fully become clear but

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fundamentally the banking system has a

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lot of capital to be able to withstand

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those pressures

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one of the things I think is so great is

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that as treasury eels have actually

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plummeted over the last a few uh days

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here uh through the banking crisis the

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value of bonds that banks are holding

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has actually gone up so you're actually

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by having a banking crisis you're

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creating less risk of the furtherance of

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the banking crisis

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and you mentioned commercial real estate

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because so many of these mid-sized banks

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are lenders in that space so that could

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impact Construction in other words this

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could have a real impact on the economy

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does it tip us towards recession

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well it definitely brings us closer

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right now what's unclear for us is how

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much of these banking stresses are

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leading to a widespread credit Crunch

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and then that credit crunch you're right

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just as you said would then slow down

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the economy this is something we are

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monitoring very very closely now on one

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hand such strains could then bring down

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inflation so we have to do less work

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with the federal funds rate to bring the

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economy into balance but right now it's

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unclear how much of an imprint these

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banking stresses are going to have on

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the economy

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you know what I think is so remarkable

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is that back in January of 21 we looked

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at history and history gave us this

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remarkable outline it said look if

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inflation is high force a recession and

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inflation will go away when people

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actually internalize that we're in a

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recession what do they do they spend

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less money and so either the velocity of

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money goes down the total spending goes

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down total GDP goes down whatever it

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takes forcing a recession is a fantastic

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way well I shouldn't say it's a

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fantastic way because it's somewhat

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painful but it is a way to solve

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inflation that's because you're what

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you're really doing is you're reducing

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demand now there's the other argument

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that you could just accommodate Supply

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more but that's much more difficult the

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FED can't really do much to affect

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Supply Congress can but who really

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thinks they can actually pull something

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off here so far all they've been doing

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is pulling off stemi checks for chips

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and EVs and Energy Products which hey

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fine with me because I've got a bunch of

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stock in this but it's something to

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watch very carefully and that's what

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we're focused on and chairman Powell

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said as much this past week at the

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Federal Reserve that that tightening and

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credit might be doing your work for you

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in terms of slowing down the economy

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does that mean it would make Neil

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Kashkari hit the break on rate hikes at

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your next meeting

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well we have to see you know right now

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the stresses are only a couple weeks old

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there are some concerning signs the

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positive sign is uh deposit outflows

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seem to have slowed down uh some

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confidence is being restored among

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smaller and Regional Banks uh at the

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same time we've seen the capital markets

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have largely been closed for the past

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two weeks if those Capital markets

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remain closed because borrowers and

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lenders remain nervous then that would

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tell me okay this is probably going to

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have a bigger imprint on the economy so

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it's too soon to make a new forecasts

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about the next interest rate meeting

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that we have the next fomc yeah and I'll

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tell you we're going to go through some

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reports here in a moment on what some of

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the reactions have been to this banking

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crisis in terms of tightening lending

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standards

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and spoiler alert it's not seemingly to

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be that big of a deal but we'll talk

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about it with some reports in a moment

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meeting but these are the factors that

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I'm going to be most focused on you know

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when it comes to confidence among

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Americans in the system right now CBS

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News just recently did a poll and only

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15 percent of people pulled by us said

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they had a lot of confidence in the

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federal reserve's ability to manage

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these banking issues why should the

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public trust the FED now when this risk

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to Banks was missed out in San Francisco

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in New York and when the Fed was late to

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the game on catching up with inflation

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you know the covet pan pandemic has

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thrown some curveballs at us that none

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of us have experience in any of our

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lifetimes and it has taken us time to

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catch up and figure out exactly where

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the economy is headed the interest rate

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risk that brought down Silicon Valley

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Bank is something that we've all been

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very focused on we've been communicating

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it to Banks all across the country for

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the last couple years that interest

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rates are going up and most banks have

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done a much better job of managing their

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risks in advance of those interest rates

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going up and so there's still

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uncertainty in the economy there are

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still stresses you have a group of

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people at the Federal Reserve who are

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totally committed to our mandates to

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committed to achieving the public

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service responsibilities that we have

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and we're going to continue to let the

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data and the evidence guide us and that

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is the best reassurance that I can give

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is that a lot a group of people are

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non-partisan focused on doing their very

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best on behalf of the American economy

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and American households you know what's

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interesting is that you actually have an

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incentive as a bank not to hedge your

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Cur your uh interest rate risk because

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when you hedge your interest rate risk

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you have to take an expense when you

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take an expense it makes your earnings

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per share look lower which makes it look

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like you're not performing as well as a

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CEO of the company well the reality is

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you're actually protecting the company

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but if instead of taking an expense on

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hedging risk you could just take your

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losses and your your basically your bags

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and hide them under hell to maturity

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Securities then you don't have to book a

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dime of losses

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oopsie-doopsies that's exactly why you

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get some of this uh drama unfolding uh

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at uh base like Silicon Valley Bank

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because people are scratching their ads

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going why why did you not book any kind

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of Hedge events oh well because that

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would make your income and expenses look

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less profitable and you were

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incentivized via stock options or

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bonuses or whatever to have the most

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profitable p l so maybe there's some

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accounting reform that some folks are

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now calling for because the the

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incentives are very skewed for banks but

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we're about to see the first hearing on

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Capitol Hill

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this week about what just happened but

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there were flashing warning site warning

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signs out there at svb bank the Silicon

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Valley Bank in the months leading up to

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its failure on this program just earlier

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today Senator Warner of Virginia who's

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on the Banking Committee said The

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Regulators missed basic banking 101 the

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interest rate mismatch how could that

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risk have been so missed by The

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Regulators at the Federal Reserve in

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Washington and in San Francisco

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well I don't know any specifics about

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the svb case because they're not

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regulated by the Minneapolis fed and I

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know Vice chair bar is conducting a

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rigorous review to understand exactly

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what happened it has been publicly

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reported that the Federal Reserve did

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take action specific to svb to get them

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to address these exposures I don't know

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more than that and I'm looking forward

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to Michael Barr's review and his

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findings which we're all going to take

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very seriously I can tell you at the

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Minneapolis fed we have conversations

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with our bank supervisors and then with

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the banks about these risks all the time

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doesn't mean that we're not going to

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make mistakes doesn't mean that we are

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perfect but I know across the Federal

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Reserve that bank supervisors have been

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focused on these very exposures since

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before the interest rate increases even

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began last year well just on this

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program last week Senator Warren says

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she doesn't have confidence in Mary Daly

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the San Francisco fed president

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do you

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I do I know Mary Daley exceptionally

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well I've worked closely with her for

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the last several years she's an

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outstanding public servant committed to

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helping all of us fulfill our mission

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for the public nonetheless we have to

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look at the findings that Vice chair bar

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comes out with take those findings very

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seriously all right we're going to back

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off that and get into uh some of the uh

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impacts that banks are expecting and

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analysts and financial markets are

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expecting you know kashgari doesn't go

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on to say much more after that so one of

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the first things that I'd like to

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understand is how much do we actually

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think this banking crisis is really

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going to hit the economy uh and uh and

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that's a big deal especially looking at

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sort of GDP hey what what do we think in

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terms of GDP uh and so there are a few

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different analyzes Morgan Stanley

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provides one Morgan Stanley suggests

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that credit shocks will take a toll on

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the economy but it will take time to

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figure out how large those effects could

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be however in their estimates we think

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that this pullback in Bank lending which

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was already underway we were already

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seeing tightening and lending standards

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this pullback could end up shaving off

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about 10 basis points from GDP that's a

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belief from Morgan Stanley however these

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effects could end up taking a lot longer

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to play out they actually think the

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largest impacts could be felt around Q4

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of 2023 and q1 of 24. this kind of leads

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to this idea that maybe we have to be

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more patient with when we actually think

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the impacts of all of this hiking and

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the credit squeeze will actually come

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patience is probably the biggest thing

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that I've learned in this cycle

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especially I think we we all had this

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memory out of covid or even how quickly

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uh bailouts were instituted in 2009 we

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had this more recent memory of quick

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actions from The Fad quick actions uh

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you know you had the September crisis in

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2008 by February of 2009 the Fed was

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running the money printer right in in

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2018 as soon as there was a slight sign

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of Market stress the FED turns around

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runs the money printer covet pandemic it

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wasn't even a matter of a few months it

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was a matter of a few weeks before they

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started writing the Monday printer so

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this this idea of of the the fed you

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turning is taking a lot longer and

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because of the inflation that we're

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seeing now which hopefully ends up

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proving to be dare I say the word

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transitory but take a look at Goldman

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here Goldman also gives a projection a

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little bit further out Goldman suggests

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that we could see a tighter credit

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reduced GDP by around four tenths of a

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percent that's about four times as much

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of the impact that Morgan Stanley thinks

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uh but you could kind of make sort of a

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range here and suggest that it looks

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like analysts are thinking somewhere

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between 0.1 to about 0.4 to the negative

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on GDP is what we might expect from

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tightness here as a result results of

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these banking failures but anyway they

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suggest that we're probably looking at

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seeing this this hit somewhere around

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the fourth quarter so again another

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analysis where maybe that hit just

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doesn't come as quickly as we think uh

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and uh and it's unclear obviously how

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much that hit will be Bank of America

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talks about uh funding risks uh as well

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a little bit of that credit Suite

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squeeze uh they do talk about some of

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the stabilization that we're seeing in

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in banking since then but also Bank of

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America thinking somewhere around a 25

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basis point hit to GDP when it comes to

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credit tightening so when you combine

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all three of these Morgan Stanley

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Goldman Sachs Bank of America clearly

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the hit to GDP is probably going to be

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somewhere between 0.1 to about 0.4 now

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what's crazy about that is if we

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actually look at the summary of economic

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projections that the FED just gave us

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they just lowered their forecasts for

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GDP uh from 0.5

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to

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0.4 now the fascinating part about that

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kind of hit is taking us to 0.4 if we

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end up getting hit with a 0.4 reduction

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like Goldman Sachs estimates but well

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then oopsie doopsie you might be right

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there at zero or even slightly negative

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and that's where that recession is so

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recession time are still looking like Q3

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to q1 in that range this certainly does

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as Neil keshkari said it push us closer

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to that and you can see when you look at

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the data fed thinks we're at a 0.4 GDP

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is how we end the year Morgan Stanley

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Bank of America Goldman altogether think

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we're gonna have a hit of somewhere

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between 0.1 to 0.4 percent because of

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the banking crisis we're knocking on the

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door recession could we be flat hey

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taking flat is actually okay in a weird

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way if you're flat and non-negative

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you're not in a recessionary environment

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so that'll be quite fascinating to see

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play out uh but uh look I think they're

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they're this is leading a lot of people

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to call for the Fed to pause by May

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that's the next time we actually see

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from or hear from the uh fed and so we

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can look at right monitors to see what

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expectations are now but no going into

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May these are where estimates estimates

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are likely to be quite uh fluid for a

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while for example you've got a one

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Economist suggesting hey uh this is this

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is let me see where did I write his name

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I just have his citation over here I

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wanted to reference him by name I lost

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this citation anyway while I look for it

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he's talking about how important it is

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for the FED to actually pause uh here it

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is it's uni credit an analyst over at

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Uni credit says the FED should

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definitely Pause by May to make sure we

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have plenty of time to play out uh the

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implications of this credit tightening

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from the banking sector now if we look

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at the Fed rate monitor it looks like we

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have a 38 likelihood of getting another

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25 BP hike and a 62 percent likelihood

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of a pause right now which a pausing

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right now would somewhat align with what

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Jerome Powell hinted in the last press

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conference where they had even started

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to talk about the idea of a pause it's

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the first time Jerome Powell has ever

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mentioned a pause in this tightening

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cycle and that was talked about at the

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last meeting it was talked about at the

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last press conference and it's actually

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now more priced into markets than not

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obviously markets are pricing in cuts by

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the end of the year of around 100 basis

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points the FED says we're not pricing in

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any of those sorts of cuts and that's

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likely because if the FED starts talking

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about Cuts then people might start

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spending stocks might start taking off

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Financial conditions might loosen and

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they could basically hurt the status quo

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where we are now in other words if the

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status quo stays stable right now

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everything stays status quo right now

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everything stays stable then potentially

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inflation goes away but if the FED says

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we're going to the Moon boys girls that

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could have the opposite effect and

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actually re-ager re-aggravate uh

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inflation so I think those are some of

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the concerns that Federal Reserve is

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playing with right now to someone

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manipulate potentially what's happening

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in markets now we do have catalysts that

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we want to pay attention to this week as

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well there are quite a few specifically

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the fed's preferred inflation Gauge pce

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before I talk about the fed's preferred

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inflation gauge it's worth noting we do

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have earnings coming up this week as

16:51

well Carnival Cruise Lines this morning

16:53

Walgreens tomorrow morning with LoveSac

16:55

Dave and Buster shift Lulu after the

16:57

Bell tomorrow uh that's Tuesday

16:59

Restoration Hardware Wednesday after the

17:01

bell and on Thursday we'll get

17:03

blackberry and canoe we do have quite a

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few data points coming out as well let's

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take a look at Barclays they give us a

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nice little sum up here of the various

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different catalysts that we're going to

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be looking for so today we'll have uh

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fed Governor Jefferson a new fomc voter

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discussing monetary policy at an event

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at 5 PM Eastern that's after the market

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closes we'll have wholesale inventories

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coming out on Tuesday you can see the

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projections right here the forecast is

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for a growth of inventories of one tenth

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of one percent

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Advanced trade these are tomorrow's

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catalysts here fhfa Federal housing

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Administration over here

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numbers we'll get those tomorrow okay

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Schiller 20 City index for housing

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prices

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expected to actually come in at negative

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a 0.6 year over year so your first

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slight negative on the s p k Shiller

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here starting to get that year over year

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lapping uh keep in mind even the

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treasury yields have followed mortgage

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yields mortgage rates have been pretty

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stable mostly because spreads risk

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spreads have widened on mortgages

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probably because banks are dumping mbs's

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to try to increase their liquidity

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positions anyway pending home sales

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Wednesday Thursday we'll get a real GDP

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uh the expectation is about 2.6 percent

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for GDP we'll get initial jobless claims

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looking at looking for 195. Barkin will

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speak at an event on Thursday at 12 45

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at the same time as Collins a non-voter

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will give a speech so we'll get a voter

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and non-voter on Thursday it's a little

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bit of fed speak here and then here's

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the important set and this is Friday

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we'll be covering this live when the

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data comes out but we're getting we'll

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be getting the personal consumption

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expenditures read on inflation that read

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is expected to come in at 0.3 percent uh

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that is the Barclays forecast the

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consensus though is point four percent

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and the the latest report was actually

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0.6 so we'll hopefully see some

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softening over here on PC uh the closer

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comes into Barclays at point three the

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better point three good point four

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starts getting a little bit bad 0.5.6

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not great remember if you multiply these

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numbers by 12 you'll actually get your

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annualized figure so if we get uh 0.3

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we'll be sitting at somewhere around 3.6

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pce inflation which is much closer to

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two than obviously if you annualize 0.6

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which comes in at 7.2 uh you'll also be

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getting a core pce also looking to match

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at about 0.3 uh consensus though on Wall

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Street is 0.4 University of Michigan

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estimates uh for inflation I actually

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think I have the forecasts and the

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consensus for that let me see here that

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would be Friday Friday Friday Friday

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Friday Friday Friday Friday University

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of Michigan inflation expectations we

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want to make sure they stay anchored

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very important they stay anchored we do

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not want any kind of runaway of

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inflation expectations and the forecast

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for the 31st is

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uh one year inflation expectations three

20:06

point eight percent that's stable with

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the prior read as the forecast is 2.8

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stable with the prior read for the one

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year out or sorry that's the five to ten

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year inflation expectation so we could

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fill these in right here uh actually uh

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the forecast matches the latest here

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which is three eight and uh two eight uh

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for their forecast and consensus here so

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uh then we'll have uh some more feds

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speak as well look at all this fed speak

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we get this week I mean a lot of

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different fed speak again let's just

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highlight the FED speak here so you've

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got fed speak at 5 pm today uh fed

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Governor Jefferson fomc voter new guy

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we've got uh bar an fomc voter here

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testifying before the house Financial

20:51

Services committee on Friday this should

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actually be really interesting because

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Barr is doing the investigation into the

20:58

banking drama so we'll be able to get

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some banking updates over here

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Williams uh at uh 3 P.M on Friday the

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market will still be open then right at

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close we'll get a Waller uh speaking at

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a conference and then cook uh speaking

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uh after the close on Friday as well for

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more of a dinner event so this gives you

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a little bit of an update on sort of

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where the fed's head is obviously the

21:24

fed's head is likely to be in wait and

21:26

see mode we don't actually get another

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fed Catalyst until the May event which

21:33

is May 3rd now interestingly that'll be

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right between uh two CPI releases so

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you're going to get the March data on

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April 12th so mark your calendar for

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April 12th and then the next CPI release

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calendar for April 7th for the next jobs

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data and then the next jobs that after

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that doesn't come out until May 5th

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which is again after the next fomc uh

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press conference on May 3rd now that's

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interesting that means the next CPI on

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pieces of data we get uh the larger two

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pieces of data there'll be a lot of

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miscellaneous reports but in terms of

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CPI and jobs those will be the only two

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reports we get before the May fomc

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meeting which means the next jobs and

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the next CPI report will actually be on

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the 7th and 12th will be pretty

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important for trying to predict what the

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FED is going to do come May 2nd so pay

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