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look at the the continued Reliance on

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the bank term funding program I think we

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are at 97 billion now so this continued

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Reliance means the tension is there and

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um and and the front end all right

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honestly this constant blah blah blah

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about the banking crisis and liquidity

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and the reverse repos it's all such crap

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like

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give me like

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give me some real like click pay please

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like give me something good to talk

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about not this crap it's such garbage uh

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people like oh but Kevin this week the

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treasury is gonna have to sell a bunch

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of bonds and the banks are gonna have to

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take money out of reverse repos and buy

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it okay

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who cares

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they got plenty of money to do it with

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the 2.1 trillion dollars sitting around

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to go buy stuff with 2.1 trillion

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dollars in cash that banks have access

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to right now these are massive

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institutions who use the reverse repo

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facility people are worried about a lack

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of liquidity what do you call the sack

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of cash

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I I I I

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don't know the Bears just they have to

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have a a bearish take that's what it is

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you know what this is the perfect time

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to give you Morgan Stanley's bear piece

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you ready for the bear piece I'll give

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you Morgan Stanley's bear piece and in

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this bear piece you're gonna find out

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exactly how much Morgan Stanley thinks

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the market is actually going to fall by

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the end of the year brace for it okay

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you remember the days of like you know

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the headlines like stock market to fall

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50 percent stock market to collapse 90

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percent

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just wait for Morgan Stanley's updated

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bear thesis on just how bad things are

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going to get all right let's start with

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this piece

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it's by Andrew sheets

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it's one heck of a last name anyway

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our mid-year Outlook soft landing hard

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choices U.S unemployment is the lowest

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since 68 core inflation is higher than

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83 while UST builds yield the most since

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Jan of a one in other words things is

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weird right now

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we see global GDP

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GDP slowing to 2.9 percent this year so

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this is all of Morgan Stanley they see

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GDP slowing to 2.9 percent this year

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notice that's actually a positive number

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they actually see the risks skewed to

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the downside but their base case is

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actually now a soft Landing one of the

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big bears of Morgan Stanley is actually

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talking about a soft Landing now but

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wait a minute I thought this was a bear

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piece yeah it is because they actually

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think the S P 500 is going down from

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where it is now buckle up for how bad

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this L is going to be

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now they do think that Europe and the

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United States will avoid a recession

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they think that resulting growth in 2024

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and for the rest of 2023 will end up

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being subpar leading to basically an L

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of a recovery which is basically no

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recovery it's kind of like stocks go

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down and then they just trade sideways

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that's in contrast with what a Nike

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Swoosh would kind of look like which

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would be something like fall rapidly

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down recover and then in the longer term

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you somewhat just keep recovering right

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my thesis is obviously the Nike Swoosh I

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do think it'll be volatile but boy the

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last couple weeks here since the AI

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craze it's been anything it's been just

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like straight up and less volatility but

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that volatility will come back to some

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extent tatter policy is a key driver of

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this subdued backdrop core inflation

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remains too high and in our view it's

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not necessarily about the Federal

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Reserve raising hikes again raising

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rates in the near term but rather

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keeping rates extended for a period as

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an inflation moderates now this is

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actually I wrote yes next to this

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because I've been arguing for for

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probably months now but certainly weeks

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that I don't really care where the

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Federal Reserve stops what I actually

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care about is when is the Federal

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Reserve going to cut that's the part

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that matters to me because my thesis is

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hey rather than send these confusing

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signals to the market where you

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basically pause in June and then hike in

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July so you get an extra 25 BP and why

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don't you just delay your first 25 BP

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cut by another month rather than send

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such confusing signals so in other words

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higher well or these levels for longer

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so these levels for longer

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uh now they do talk about that if the

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FED does this they would actually be

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raising the real policy rate and that's

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true they would technically be raising

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rates if rates are stable at five

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percent inflation expectations full then

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real rates would rise just by the

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formula of calculating real rates which

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incorporates future inflation

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expectations

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in English

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Morgan Stanley's like oh they'll keep

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them high just to keep fighting

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inflation down I actually think they'll

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start cutting but it's so they can

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maintain a real policy rate rather than

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raise but ignore that part for a moment

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that part does not so much matter that's

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more of opinion what we care about is

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how much how much is do the Bears think

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the Market's gonna fall

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well that comes up here on the next page

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so they do talk about China's recovery

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uh re-accelerating they think that

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potentially the market for China is uh

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is seeing a bottom right now but uh here

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you go markets many Market risks appear

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front loaded oh this is interesting the

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weakest growth is more likely to occur

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in the near term rather than in the long

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term so think about all these different

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risks they're talking about here the

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weakest growth is coming up now the

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highest inflation going forward would be

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now the tightest policy with the banking

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crisis and fed rates now the largest

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shift in the fed's about or central bank

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balance sheet yeah fed balance sheet now

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in other words they say it's crunch time

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now now I wrote next to this yup gets

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clear after well that's because I have

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this belief in the Nike Swoosh that

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quite frankly once we get through some

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of these near-term catalysts in

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inflation is it gonna be sticky or not

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and and you know the banking crisis uh

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the subprime Autos disaster the

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commercial real estate disaster we've

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already got through the debt ceiling

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once we get through some of these

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near-term disasters as I wrote here I

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believe it gets pretty clear afterwards

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in other words we're we're really out of

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negative catalysts if inflation goes

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away and the commercial real estate

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crisis goes away because maybe rates

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start falling or whatever or maybe

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offices default big deal then you really

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potentially don't have many catalysts

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left for negativity it's hard in my

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opinion to actually validate being

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bearish right now

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consider for a moment that even in the

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commercial real estate market uh a lot

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of people like oh but Kevin you know

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Charlie Munger says there are a lot of

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bad loans and Commercial Real Estate is

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is really at risk of dangers uh well one

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of the things that everyone actually

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highlight yeah actually that's what I

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wanted to go to is look at this I pasted

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this from the financial times

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so the financial times wrote that Pac

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West last month sold 2.6 billion dollars

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of construction loans at a loss now that

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sounds really bad right A Bank selling

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2.6 billion dollars of loans at a loss

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sounds terrible right but what's

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remarkable is look at this right here

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they sold those loans for 92 cents on

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the dollar and as soon as they sold

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those loans for 92 cents on the dollar

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which is only a measly eight percent

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haircut their stock moved up 20 which

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the financial times argues might lead

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more Banks to want to make these sort of

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deals but if there's an appetite to pick

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up these loans for 92 cents on the

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dollar that's barely a discount so I

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really I'm I'm trying hard to find a

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bear case here right so we're looking at

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this bear argument and the bear argument

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according to Morgan Stanley as well all

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the leftover catalysts are now yeah

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because after that there aren't that

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many leftover catalysts that are that

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negative and I understand the yield

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curve is still inverted and that should

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be signaling a recession at some point

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in the future fine whatever there was

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going to be a recession in 2019 as well

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and then covid made that happen okay

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maybe there'll be another disaster like

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that whatever

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so so anyway uh they talk about muted

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returns going forward and how they

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believe that defensives will actually

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outperform now we'll talk about that but

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first let's talk about how much they

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think the market is going to crash

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some really good ones and I really don't

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believe uh or I should say rather I

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really do believe that uh there that

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value to courses as I do so I'm very

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excited about that anyway here's uh

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here's

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what Bloomberg reported so Bloomberg got

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the full research piece on this I only

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got the first two pages and apparently

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in the full research piece Bloomberg

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reports that Morgan Stanley thinks that

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there's going to be a 16 profit drop in

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S P 500 companies now I have a thesis

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about that I'm going to talk about that

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but Morgan Stanley sees the market at 3

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900 at the end of the year

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do you know how much of a miserable drop

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3900 is from where we are now you

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remember when the Bears are like we're

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going down 50 you remember this right

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Bears say we're going down 50 you know

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how much the Bears think the market is

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going down today is it 50 nope can I

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interest you in negative 40 no how about

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negative 30 nope how about negative 20

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15 no 10 no the Bears literally now are

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quite frankly forecasting that by the

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end of the year the S P 500 is going to

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go down a very very dramatic and scary

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nine percent

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come on man what is this this like

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Morgan Stanley you know what y'all have

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just done what's the lead

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this is ridiculous that's the most

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bearish you got in fact Bloomberg I

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wrote this quote down Bloomberg

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literally said that a 16 profit drop

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which is different from the nine percent

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SPX Target a 16 profit drop for the spy

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Spy SPX same thing basically

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is quote one of the most bearish

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predictions of economists on the market

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right now

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stupid

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quote we think the downside risk to

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earnings is now

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while deteriorating liquidity back the

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liquidity and backdrop is likely to put

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downward pressure on Equity valuations

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over the next three months we also see

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earnings per share disappointment ahead

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as Revenue growth slows and margins

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further contract these people are so

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bearish and they're so negative all the

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freaking time and yet their bare thesis

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gives them a total of a negative nine

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percent

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from now return for the S P 500 bro the

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S P 500 has already returned 12 this

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year

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so even if that happens the s p would be

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up three percent by the end of the year

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that's wild

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about okay I know there'd be a little

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bit of a math adjustment there now they

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talk about defensives so what are

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defensives generally generally if

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defensives are going to be your health

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care consumer staples and cash

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I can get behind cash to some extent

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especially after this like AI hype rally

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I think it makes sense to have a little

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bit of cash on the side again uh just

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after some things have really you know

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gone a little quickly here uh and

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potentially some things are getting a

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little detached from fundies

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but aside from cash do I really want to

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move my money into Staples right now no

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I've kind of been bagging on Staples and

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the likelihood of the missing earnings

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for a while and now you're starting to

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see it Home Depot Lowe's Costco they're

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not having great results

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maybe a place to actually look could end

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up being retail because when we were

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talking about this with course members

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on Friday retail actually has really

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sold off when you look at the stock

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market but retail is a is a

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discretionary that's not defensive

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that's the opposite of a defensive uh

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retail is a cyclical which is again the

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opposite of a defensive defensives would

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be again like real estate uh you know

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utility REITs

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cash Health Care Staples and so uh and

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then they do think that Commodities will

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end up continuing to like so I find it

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actually widely or wildly encouraging

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that you could have a company so bearish

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yet their bearish forecast is a whole

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negative nine percent I don't know

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Andrew maybe you all need to be a little

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bit more bearish maybe you all can get

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out there and and find me a little bit

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more of a bear thesis now look I get it

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there are a lot of people that are like

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but Kevin we're going to see rates go up

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higher okay all right and the market is

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pricing in too many rate Cuts okay let's

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take a look at exactly what the FED is

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pricing in or rather markets are pricing

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in right now so what we could do is we

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uh let's do a couple things here let's

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press this button to begin with here you

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go right now there's an 82.7 percent

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probability of a uh pause in June and

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then for July we're actually at a 56.2

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percent chance of a rate bump now I'm

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not the biggest believer that

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any of that is a very big deal for the

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market I think the market is going to be

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a little bit more interested in fundies

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than that and those are not uh the

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scariest Fundamentals by any means so I

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don't know I really believe the bear

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argument here is relatively weak uh you

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know I know people again I I see these

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comments all over the place about you

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know I see the Twitter threads I see all

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this nonsense about the uh uh the the

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student loan repayment stuff I don't see

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the student loan repayment stuff as

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being a big Catalyst it's so such a weak

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Catalyst that even the Morgan Stanley

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Bears aren't talking about it uh and

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that's again in part because

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expectations are the student loan pause

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would really only affect consumer uh GDP

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by maybe a tenth of a percent uh that's

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that's nothing to care about here uh I

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mean really it's it's like who cares uh

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I I mean sure we could try to we could

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try to flip around and see if we can get

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some kind of bear case on these student

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loan repayments I'm trying to see if I

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could find one here really quick yeah

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here's the JP Morgan case on uh on

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student loans ready for this like let me

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actually show rather than these these

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trash Twitter threads

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uh yeah I shouldn't be so negative okay

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some Twitter threads are good but oh my

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gosh the amount of Twitter threads

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though just devoid a valid context just

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makes me angry

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but it actually I think gives me the

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opportunity to to speak hopefully in an

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educated manner here I try my best I

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really do we really try our best every

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single day to bring great perspective

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here but let's look at some reality okay

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here here uh of some like real estimates

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rather than just people hypothecating on

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Twitter here's at least a financial

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estimate and I'm not suggesting these

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economists know what they're talking

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about I mean just just to be clear look

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at this little note here I wrote as I

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was reading about this I saw a headline

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that UBS

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uh is still forecasting it wasn't

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actually a headline it was uh it was I

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was listening to Bloomberg and this was

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a senior Economist at UBS and he's like

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yup recession Q3 and the ladies looking

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at them like really you realize Q3 is

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like

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a month away

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and there's no indication we're going

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into recession you you recognize that

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right remember April May June is Q2 we

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are three weeks away from Q3 UBS says

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the recession is three weeks away that's

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it there's the title of the video

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recession three weeks away it's complete

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garbage nonsense there is no recession

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three weeks away but anyway let's go to

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uh the JPM piece here on the student

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loan

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student loan student loans U.S prospects

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Heroes this was at least an educated

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argument so I I can get behind this so

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student loan debt repayments are going

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to require recur 60 days after June 30th

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and so that means payments are going to

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resume at the end of August that is

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within Q3 In fairness

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uh the uh Bureau of economic analysis

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believes that this

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could have an impact of around 0.2

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percentage points

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on a consumer savings

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and then here you have potentially a

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lowering of GDP by around point one

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percent however they did give a slight

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warning about the student loans and I'll

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give them this

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they did suggest that most of the impact

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could end up being front loaded right so

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what this really means is that it you

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might almost hit the market with a

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little bit of a shock that uh that oh

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you have to go back to making those

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student loan payments and so you could

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see a sudden uh uh uh

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pause in spending so to speak versus the

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reality of this being basically nothing

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I mean if GDP is what's the Atlanta fed

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now let's see Atlanta fed now real GDP

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forecast should be like 2.6 or something

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like that GDP now forecast

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oh two percent oh that's actually ticked

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down a little bit so uh you've got a

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tick down in the GDP forecast now to yep

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two percent I'll show you this right

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here here's the Atlanta fed GDP estimate

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two percent for June one that is

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actually a tick down but again consider

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0.1 are we really even going to notice

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that in any direction unlikely is it

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possible again that that if it's front

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loaded maybe it's more of like a point

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four percent impact yeah that'd be a

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little bit more noticeable but at least

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we do still have some room here which is

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nice so yeah of course there's always a

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risk with everything but I suppose my

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belief is that you know this is just

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another sort of bear thesis that's being

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thrown forward about like oh that's it

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you know here it comes

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I also have to wonder like what kind of

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consumer does this affect more and well

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here you go the beneficiaries of the

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student loan forbearance program are

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likely to be young people who have a

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higher marginal propensity to consume

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rather than older households in other

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words they spend all their money because

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they don't invest about 20 percent of

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the outstanding student loan balances

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for those between 18 to 29 years old

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this makes student loans the largest

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form of debt for this group compared to

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other forms uh in other households like

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credit cards auto loans in other words

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Pence we think assuming a relatively

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large multiplier with a more immediate

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impact after the forbearance end date is

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reasonable especially amongst wherever

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you think those 18 to 29 year olds are

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spending so where do we think 18 to 29

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year olds are spending well they're

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probably not many of them are probably

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spending money on Teslas probably more

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of that money I I would guess would be

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going into some form of either travel

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entertainment hotels restaurants and you

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know I doubt many of them are buying and

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phase products and video products uh

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Tesla products it may maybe Apple maybe

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uh who knows right so it's an it's

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something to think about but again it'll

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probably smooth out to being something

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more like a nothing Burger so I'm not

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very negative on the student loan issue

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now if you look at the world interest

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rate probability

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I enjoy looking at this this gives us

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another look at sort of the Fed

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and I love the forecasts here because

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they give us a little bit of a an idea

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of okay well like how bearish is the Fed

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right now and uh when it comes to or the

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market on behalf of the FED I should say

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this is the world interest rate

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probability chart right now

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it looks like uh that Peak is being

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priced in right now for July

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and you price in the first potential cut

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as early as September

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but certainly your pricing in Cuts uh to

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uh back down to uh the five percent

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range uh by December that could all be

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one cut by the way and then you're

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looking at your second to third cut over

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here in January

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so uh and that does not necessarily mean

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the economy is going into a recession

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this just simply means the fed's going

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to follow real rates down as inflation

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expectations rotate down so I guess the

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long and short of this piece is Morgan

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Stanley and UBS are bears their bear

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arguments are relatively weak yeah we

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could try to stretch the explanation

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that maybe uh you've got uh these this

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student loan segment that's going to

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hurt some people in in August and

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September will it be the end of August

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so more realistically September October

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yeah that is when people are forecasting

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a recession is that alone going to be

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what does it know

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but we'll see personally I think it's

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just more bearish news and nonsense on

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it I don't really think the Bears have a

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lot going for him right now but yeah I

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guess nobody can fault me for being

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clear about my opinions and hey if some

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real bearish news comes out I'll be the

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first to flip-flop because nobody knows

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how to flood flop better than meet Kevin

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but that's a good thing I think that's

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that's no way when the data changes we

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change our opinion now I want you to

23:05

know this when it comes to AI

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time is what's going to make you money

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and if you can prove that value to an

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employer you'll always be able to be

23:15

employed so this is another way of

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making sure that you don't get replaced

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but

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foreign

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