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look at the the continued Reliance on
the bank term funding program I think we
are at 97 billion now so this continued
Reliance means the tension is there and
um and and the front end all right
honestly this constant blah blah blah
about the banking crisis and liquidity
and the reverse repos it's all such crap
like
give me like
give me some real like click pay please
like give me something good to talk
about not this crap it's such garbage uh
people like oh but Kevin this week the
treasury is gonna have to sell a bunch
of bonds and the banks are gonna have to
take money out of reverse repos and buy
it okay
who cares
they got plenty of money to do it with
the 2.1 trillion dollars sitting around
to go buy stuff with 2.1 trillion
dollars in cash that banks have access
to right now these are massive
institutions who use the reverse repo
facility people are worried about a lack
of liquidity what do you call the sack
of cash
I I I I
don't know the Bears just they have to
have a a bearish take that's what it is
you know what this is the perfect time
to give you Morgan Stanley's bear piece
you ready for the bear piece I'll give
you Morgan Stanley's bear piece and in
this bear piece you're gonna find out
exactly how much Morgan Stanley thinks
the market is actually going to fall by
the end of the year brace for it okay
you remember the days of like you know
the headlines like stock market to fall
50 percent stock market to collapse 90
percent
just wait for Morgan Stanley's updated
bear thesis on just how bad things are
going to get all right let's start with
this piece
it's by Andrew sheets
it's one heck of a last name anyway
our mid-year Outlook soft landing hard
choices U.S unemployment is the lowest
since 68 core inflation is higher than
83 while UST builds yield the most since
Jan of a one in other words things is
weird right now
we see global GDP
GDP slowing to 2.9 percent this year so
this is all of Morgan Stanley they see
GDP slowing to 2.9 percent this year
notice that's actually a positive number
they actually see the risks skewed to
the downside but their base case is
actually now a soft Landing one of the
big bears of Morgan Stanley is actually
talking about a soft Landing now but
wait a minute I thought this was a bear
piece yeah it is because they actually
think the S P 500 is going down from
where it is now buckle up for how bad
this L is going to be
now they do think that Europe and the
United States will avoid a recession
they think that resulting growth in 2024
and for the rest of 2023 will end up
being subpar leading to basically an L
of a recovery which is basically no
recovery it's kind of like stocks go
down and then they just trade sideways
that's in contrast with what a Nike
Swoosh would kind of look like which
would be something like fall rapidly
down recover and then in the longer term
you somewhat just keep recovering right
my thesis is obviously the Nike Swoosh I
do think it'll be volatile but boy the
last couple weeks here since the AI
craze it's been anything it's been just
like straight up and less volatility but
that volatility will come back to some
extent tatter policy is a key driver of
this subdued backdrop core inflation
remains too high and in our view it's
not necessarily about the Federal
Reserve raising hikes again raising
rates in the near term but rather
keeping rates extended for a period as
an inflation moderates now this is
actually I wrote yes next to this
because I've been arguing for for
probably months now but certainly weeks
that I don't really care where the
Federal Reserve stops what I actually
care about is when is the Federal
Reserve going to cut that's the part
that matters to me because my thesis is
hey rather than send these confusing
signals to the market where you
basically pause in June and then hike in
July so you get an extra 25 BP and why
don't you just delay your first 25 BP
cut by another month rather than send
such confusing signals so in other words
higher well or these levels for longer
so these levels for longer
uh now they do talk about that if the
FED does this they would actually be
raising the real policy rate and that's
true they would technically be raising
rates if rates are stable at five
percent inflation expectations full then
real rates would rise just by the
formula of calculating real rates which
incorporates future inflation
expectations
in English
Morgan Stanley's like oh they'll keep
them high just to keep fighting
inflation down I actually think they'll
start cutting but it's so they can
maintain a real policy rate rather than
raise but ignore that part for a moment
that part does not so much matter that's
more of opinion what we care about is
how much how much is do the Bears think
the Market's gonna fall
well that comes up here on the next page
so they do talk about China's recovery
uh re-accelerating they think that
potentially the market for China is uh
is seeing a bottom right now but uh here
you go markets many Market risks appear
front loaded oh this is interesting the
weakest growth is more likely to occur
in the near term rather than in the long
term so think about all these different
risks they're talking about here the
weakest growth is coming up now the
highest inflation going forward would be
now the tightest policy with the banking
crisis and fed rates now the largest
shift in the fed's about or central bank
balance sheet yeah fed balance sheet now
in other words they say it's crunch time
now now I wrote next to this yup gets
clear after well that's because I have
this belief in the Nike Swoosh that
quite frankly once we get through some
of these near-term catalysts in
inflation is it gonna be sticky or not
and and you know the banking crisis uh
the subprime Autos disaster the
commercial real estate disaster we've
already got through the debt ceiling
once we get through some of these
near-term disasters as I wrote here I
believe it gets pretty clear afterwards
in other words we're we're really out of
negative catalysts if inflation goes
away and the commercial real estate
crisis goes away because maybe rates
start falling or whatever or maybe
offices default big deal then you really
potentially don't have many catalysts
left for negativity it's hard in my
opinion to actually validate being
bearish right now
consider for a moment that even in the
commercial real estate market uh a lot
of people like oh but Kevin you know
Charlie Munger says there are a lot of
bad loans and Commercial Real Estate is
is really at risk of dangers uh well one
of the things that everyone actually
highlight yeah actually that's what I
wanted to go to is look at this I pasted
this from the financial times
so the financial times wrote that Pac
West last month sold 2.6 billion dollars
of construction loans at a loss now that
sounds really bad right A Bank selling
2.6 billion dollars of loans at a loss
sounds terrible right but what's
remarkable is look at this right here
they sold those loans for 92 cents on
the dollar and as soon as they sold
those loans for 92 cents on the dollar
which is only a measly eight percent
haircut their stock moved up 20 which
the financial times argues might lead
more Banks to want to make these sort of
deals but if there's an appetite to pick
up these loans for 92 cents on the
dollar that's barely a discount so I
really I'm I'm trying hard to find a
bear case here right so we're looking at
this bear argument and the bear argument
according to Morgan Stanley as well all
the leftover catalysts are now yeah
because after that there aren't that
many leftover catalysts that are that
negative and I understand the yield
curve is still inverted and that should
be signaling a recession at some point
in the future fine whatever there was
going to be a recession in 2019 as well
and then covid made that happen okay
maybe there'll be another disaster like
that whatever
so so anyway uh they talk about muted
returns going forward and how they
believe that defensives will actually
outperform now we'll talk about that but
first let's talk about how much they
think the market is going to crash
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really do believe that uh there that
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excited about that anyway here's uh
here's
what Bloomberg reported so Bloomberg got
the full research piece on this I only
got the first two pages and apparently
in the full research piece Bloomberg
reports that Morgan Stanley thinks that
there's going to be a 16 profit drop in
S P 500 companies now I have a thesis
about that I'm going to talk about that
but Morgan Stanley sees the market at 3
900 at the end of the year
do you know how much of a miserable drop
3900 is from where we are now you
remember when the Bears are like we're
going down 50 you remember this right
Bears say we're going down 50 you know
how much the Bears think the market is
going down today is it 50 nope can I
interest you in negative 40 no how about
negative 30 nope how about negative 20
15 no 10 no the Bears literally now are
quite frankly forecasting that by the
end of the year the S P 500 is going to
go down a very very dramatic and scary
nine percent
come on man what is this this like
Morgan Stanley you know what y'all have
just done what's the lead
this is ridiculous that's the most
bearish you got in fact Bloomberg I
wrote this quote down Bloomberg
literally said that a 16 profit drop
which is different from the nine percent
SPX Target a 16 profit drop for the spy
Spy SPX same thing basically
is quote one of the most bearish
predictions of economists on the market
right now
stupid
quote we think the downside risk to
earnings is now
while deteriorating liquidity back the
liquidity and backdrop is likely to put
downward pressure on Equity valuations
over the next three months we also see
earnings per share disappointment ahead
as Revenue growth slows and margins
further contract these people are so
bearish and they're so negative all the
freaking time and yet their bare thesis
gives them a total of a negative nine
percent
from now return for the S P 500 bro the
S P 500 has already returned 12 this
year
so even if that happens the s p would be
up three percent by the end of the year
that's wild
about okay I know there'd be a little
bit of a math adjustment there now they
talk about defensives so what are
defensives generally generally if
defensives are going to be your health
care consumer staples and cash
I can get behind cash to some extent
especially after this like AI hype rally
I think it makes sense to have a little
bit of cash on the side again uh just
after some things have really you know
gone a little quickly here uh and
potentially some things are getting a
little detached from fundies
but aside from cash do I really want to
move my money into Staples right now no
I've kind of been bagging on Staples and
the likelihood of the missing earnings
for a while and now you're starting to
see it Home Depot Lowe's Costco they're
not having great results
maybe a place to actually look could end
up being retail because when we were
talking about this with course members
on Friday retail actually has really
sold off when you look at the stock
market but retail is a is a
discretionary that's not defensive
that's the opposite of a defensive uh
retail is a cyclical which is again the
opposite of a defensive defensives would
be again like real estate uh you know
utility REITs
cash Health Care Staples and so uh and
then they do think that Commodities will
end up continuing to like so I find it
actually widely or wildly encouraging
that you could have a company so bearish
yet their bearish forecast is a whole
negative nine percent I don't know
Andrew maybe you all need to be a little
bit more bearish maybe you all can get
out there and and find me a little bit
more of a bear thesis now look I get it
there are a lot of people that are like
but Kevin we're going to see rates go up
higher okay all right and the market is
pricing in too many rate Cuts okay let's
take a look at exactly what the FED is
pricing in or rather markets are pricing
in right now so what we could do is we
uh let's do a couple things here let's
press this button to begin with here you
go right now there's an 82.7 percent
probability of a uh pause in June and
then for July we're actually at a 56.2
percent chance of a rate bump now I'm
not the biggest believer that
any of that is a very big deal for the
market I think the market is going to be
a little bit more interested in fundies
than that and those are not uh the
scariest Fundamentals by any means so I
don't know I really believe the bear
argument here is relatively weak uh you
know I know people again I I see these
comments all over the place about you
know I see the Twitter threads I see all
this nonsense about the uh uh the the
student loan repayment stuff I don't see
the student loan repayment stuff as
being a big Catalyst it's so such a weak
Catalyst that even the Morgan Stanley
Bears aren't talking about it uh and
that's again in part because
expectations are the student loan pause
would really only affect consumer uh GDP
by maybe a tenth of a percent uh that's
that's nothing to care about here uh I
mean really it's it's like who cares uh
I I mean sure we could try to we could
try to flip around and see if we can get
some kind of bear case on these student
loan repayments I'm trying to see if I
could find one here really quick yeah
here's the JP Morgan case on uh on
student loans ready for this like let me
actually show rather than these these
trash Twitter threads
uh yeah I shouldn't be so negative okay
some Twitter threads are good but oh my
gosh the amount of Twitter threads
though just devoid a valid context just
makes me angry
but it actually I think gives me the
opportunity to to speak hopefully in an
educated manner here I try my best I
really do we really try our best every
single day to bring great perspective
here but let's look at some reality okay
here here uh of some like real estimates
rather than just people hypothecating on
Twitter here's at least a financial
estimate and I'm not suggesting these
economists know what they're talking
about I mean just just to be clear look
at this little note here I wrote as I
was reading about this I saw a headline
that UBS
uh is still forecasting it wasn't
actually a headline it was uh it was I
was listening to Bloomberg and this was
a senior Economist at UBS and he's like
yup recession Q3 and the ladies looking
at them like really you realize Q3 is
like
a month away
and there's no indication we're going
into recession you you recognize that
right remember April May June is Q2 we
are three weeks away from Q3 UBS says
the recession is three weeks away that's
it there's the title of the video
recession three weeks away it's complete
garbage nonsense there is no recession
three weeks away but anyway let's go to
uh the JPM piece here on the student
loan
student loan student loans U.S prospects
Heroes this was at least an educated
argument so I I can get behind this so
student loan debt repayments are going
to require recur 60 days after June 30th
and so that means payments are going to
resume at the end of August that is
within Q3 In fairness
uh the uh Bureau of economic analysis
believes that this
could have an impact of around 0.2
percentage points
on a consumer savings
and then here you have potentially a
lowering of GDP by around point one
percent however they did give a slight
warning about the student loans and I'll
give them this
they did suggest that most of the impact
could end up being front loaded right so
what this really means is that it you
might almost hit the market with a
little bit of a shock that uh that oh
you have to go back to making those
student loan payments and so you could
see a sudden uh uh uh
pause in spending so to speak versus the
reality of this being basically nothing
I mean if GDP is what's the Atlanta fed
now let's see Atlanta fed now real GDP
forecast should be like 2.6 or something
like that GDP now forecast
oh two percent oh that's actually ticked
down a little bit so uh you've got a
tick down in the GDP forecast now to yep
two percent I'll show you this right
here here's the Atlanta fed GDP estimate
two percent for June one that is
actually a tick down but again consider
0.1 are we really even going to notice
that in any direction unlikely is it
possible again that that if it's front
loaded maybe it's more of like a point
four percent impact yeah that'd be a
little bit more noticeable but at least
we do still have some room here which is
nice so yeah of course there's always a
risk with everything but I suppose my
belief is that you know this is just
another sort of bear thesis that's being
thrown forward about like oh that's it
you know here it comes
I also have to wonder like what kind of
consumer does this affect more and well
here you go the beneficiaries of the
student loan forbearance program are
likely to be young people who have a
higher marginal propensity to consume
rather than older households in other
words they spend all their money because
they don't invest about 20 percent of
the outstanding student loan balances
for those between 18 to 29 years old
this makes student loans the largest
form of debt for this group compared to
other forms uh in other households like
credit cards auto loans in other words
Pence we think assuming a relatively
large multiplier with a more immediate
impact after the forbearance end date is
reasonable especially amongst wherever
you think those 18 to 29 year olds are
spending so where do we think 18 to 29
year olds are spending well they're
probably not many of them are probably
spending money on Teslas probably more
of that money I I would guess would be
going into some form of either travel
entertainment hotels restaurants and you
know I doubt many of them are buying and
phase products and video products uh
Tesla products it may maybe Apple maybe
uh who knows right so it's an it's
something to think about but again it'll
probably smooth out to being something
more like a nothing Burger so I'm not
very negative on the student loan issue
now if you look at the world interest
rate probability
I enjoy looking at this this gives us
another look at sort of the Fed
and I love the forecasts here because
they give us a little bit of a an idea
of okay well like how bearish is the Fed
right now and uh when it comes to or the
market on behalf of the FED I should say
this is the world interest rate
probability chart right now
it looks like uh that Peak is being
priced in right now for July
and you price in the first potential cut
as early as September
but certainly your pricing in Cuts uh to
uh back down to uh the five percent
range uh by December that could all be
one cut by the way and then you're
looking at your second to third cut over
here in January
so uh and that does not necessarily mean
the economy is going into a recession
this just simply means the fed's going
to follow real rates down as inflation
expectations rotate down so I guess the
long and short of this piece is Morgan
Stanley and UBS are bears their bear
arguments are relatively weak yeah we
could try to stretch the explanation
that maybe uh you've got uh these this
student loan segment that's going to
hurt some people in in August and
September will it be the end of August
so more realistically September October
yeah that is when people are forecasting
a recession is that alone going to be
what does it know
but we'll see personally I think it's
just more bearish news and nonsense on
it I don't really think the Bears have a
lot going for him right now but yeah I
guess nobody can fault me for being
clear about my opinions and hey if some
real bearish news comes out I'll be the
first to flip-flop because nobody knows
how to flood flop better than meet Kevin
but that's a good thing I think that's
that's no way when the data changes we
change our opinion now I want you to
know this when it comes to AI
time is what's going to make you money
and if you can prove that value to an
employer you'll always be able to be
employed so this is another way of
making sure that you don't get replaced
but
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